TRICARE Fees May Increase Again

This October retirees have seen their TRICARE Prime enrollment fees increased to $269.28 per year for individuals and $538.56 per year for retirees with families. However, retirees should know that TRICARE is warning that these enrollment fees could increase again when Congress passes the final FY 2013 budget.

Retirees can choose to pay the enrollment fees annually, quarterly or monthly.  But they must keep in mind that TRICARE Prime enrollment fees are non-refundable, in most cases.

TRICARE is recommending that retirees pay either monthly (through automatic deduction/charge) or quarterly due to the chance enrollment fees may increase again before the end of the fiscal year.

NOTE: To date there have been no changes to TRICARE for Life — enrollment remains free to retirees over age 65.

The current fee payments break down as follows:

Annual Payment: Individual: $269.28
Family: $538.56
Quarterly Payment: Individual: $67.32 
Family: $134.64
Monthly Payment: Individual: $22.44
Family: $44.88

Payment requirements differ slightly for each region. Retirees enrolled in the TRICARE Prime in the North, South and West regions can pay by allotment from retired pay, online, pay-by-phone, and through electronic funds transfer and first time TRICARE Prime enrollees can pay the initial enrollment fee by check. TRICARE North and West beneficiaries can also pay by recurring credit card charges. TriWest currently offers beneficiaries the added ability to pay by monthly by check.

Download the TRICARE Prime Enrollment Fee Factsheet.

About the Author

Terry Howell
Before becoming the Managing Editor for, Terry served 20 years in the U.S. Coast Guard as an Aviation Electrician’s Mate and aircrewman. In his final role in the Coast Guard, Terry served as a Career Development Advisor, where he provided career, finance, education, and benefits counseling to servicemembers and their families. Since retiring from the Coast Guard, Terry has authored the book, The Military Advantage, managed the content for TurboTap, the DoD's online transition program and VAforVets, the VA's transition assistance website. Terry earned both his Bachelor's and MBA at Corban University using Military Tuition Assistance and his GI Bill benefits to help cover the cost.

232 Comments on "TRICARE Fees May Increase Again"

  1. This congress made up mostly of non-veterans doesn't give a crap about the promises of free health care for retirees. I work in DOD medical and ever since they went to TRICARE the big money saver, the price tag has steadly gone up each year. Why? We are not more military than we were in 1996, we are just less direct military medical. Alright, the facts are in; TRICARE is a bust and we need to go back to the Direct Military Care system. Reopen all the military base hospitals and minimize the use of the civilian sector. This is what republicans wanted, just like the post office they want to get tax payer money into the pockets of private sector greedy SOBs. You get what you vote for, don't be stupid!

  2. Georgia Night………………………………

    Free I think not………………………………..where did they arrive at this?

    "NOTE: To date there have been no changes to TRICARE for Life – it remains free to retirees over age 65."

    For a non-military retiree they can elect to pay the monthly Part B premium starting at $99.90 per month that increases as adjusted gross income increases so around $1,200 a year premium to start.

    "If you have Part A abd Tricare you must have Part B to keep your Tricare coverage … unless on active duty …. and over 65" Page 21 2013 Medicare & You.

    Some folks get the Part B covered under other programs if income is low enough.

    So the deal is Tricare for Life is not free ….. there is a premium under the cover of requiring Part B premiums that are optional for civilians unless we want our Tricare to go away and then I guess we can say it is optional for us.

  3. Georgia Night…………………………………………………..

    From the MOAA website………………..

    "The memo indicates the FY 2012 defense budget estimate assumed private sector care cost growth of 12.9% for active duty and 8.5% for all other beneficiaries. But “through the first six months of FY2012,” it acknowledges “[costs actually] are growing at historically low rates of 0.6% for active duty and -2.7% for all other beneficiaries.”

  4. So Tricare just had a huge SURPLUS that the military was trying to spend elsewhere but we're looking at second fee increase in one year?

  5. And the doctors make multiple appointments for the same time and then when you are sitting there after your appointment time has passed maybe 2-3 hours and then you walk out and they come running after you "saying you are next" and there are 2-3 people sitting there before you waiting to get in.

  6. Please people, THINK!! The private sector plan is saving me a boat load of cash!! I am a 65 year old Army retiree. I just went om Medicare with TFL as my part B provider. (You pay the SAME rate for Part B regardless of what plan you are on…….that's why some people think it is free.) I now have my wife on Tricare Prime (She's not 65 yet.)
    Now let's take a look at what those "private sector greedy SOBs" have done to me and my wife. My TFL is now $91 and change a month, my wife"s TP is $21 and change a month, thats what,$112 +- a month? OH, those "greedy SOB's"!! Prior to turning 65 I was covered by Blue Cross Blue Shield where I work. To cover my wife andf myself costs $570 a month for less coverage than we have under Tricare. Our meds ranged from $15 to $60 each refill. Under Tricare via a local phamacy ALL of my meds are either $5 or $12 per refill.

  7. Bullshit. You work in DOD medical and you do not know what the problem is Tom? Then I have to call bullshit. Number 1, since I **DO** work in the medical field in DOD and have for over 20 years, let me give you the skinny. One of the biggest problems for Tricare is the recipient themselves. Retirees and some Active Duty and their dependents. There should be a small barrier to entry to take care of it. We need to reign them in. Quit picking up the phone and making an appointment for every little small thing that comes up. BUY SOME DAMN TYLENOL OUT OF YOUR POCKET. QUIT LOSING YOUR MEDICATION OR BETTER YET, WASTING AND TRYING TO GET MORE THAN YOU NEED! Yeah, I see it every day. And when did you get a promise of free health care? Did you also get the promise from the car dealer and just shake on it? Hell no, you made him put it in writing. When you heard that, if you even did, I never, and I came on board in 1989, then you are a fool. We knew that myth a long time ago that you were not going to get free health care for life. Should we pay anything? Debatable, who knows. This whole country has about lost their minds over healthcare. You do know that you cannot eat 6k calories per day right and smoke like a freight train?

  8. Seems my Army recruiter lied in 1976 when he said the Army would take care me and my family for life, if, I gave Uncle Sam twenty years of my life. I gave him 22 years, and found him to be a liar. Shame on all of you for lying to so many, that gave so much, including ten good friends who now are six feet under the ground. Freedom, is not Free. Shame on you all for not honoring a contract.

  9. What? They assume an increase and adjust the fee based on that, but they cannot assume an increase and give a COLA? What a double standard. Oh, and as for making appointments for all little things, we used to go to a walk in clinic for that….but it went away. Not all of us make appointments for every little thing. I was sick for 6 weeks, trying different OTC meds to remedy the effects of what I thought was a cold, before I made an appointment. Not all of us make appointments that way.

  10. Oh….and don't even bring up "but in the civilian world…" Hello, WE are not ordinary civilians. WE gave up something to support and defend our country, some gave more.

  11. cptdent If your a Military Retiree, why did you elect to have Blue Cross when Tricare was available? Doesnt add up.

  12. Frank A Bowers | October 15, 2012 at 10:40 am |

    Just for the ones who don't realize it now, the republicans control the legislature and there fore if there is an increase you, the republicans, will have to except the facts; the republicans wish to hang you out to dry.
    You Neo-Cons will be blaming our president, just wait.
    Frank Bowers, FIC, 100% DAV; Class of 1937; Austin, TX

  13. Fajardo falcon | October 15, 2012 at 11:28 am |

    FREE… Who said that? Nothing is free.
    So wake up, We retiree's paid for everthing while serving our country.
    still have to paid and will pay. Get it in to your head, nothing is free.

  14. For the younger members who wonder what all the fuss is about I offer the following brief summary:

    There were decades when active duty pay was not a living wage, there was no TRICARE (only Champus), COLA and increases were seldom and the exception. Members were told then by Congress and their service that if they stayed to retirement that this would be corrected by free medical care for life, commissary and other benefits. We were never told we would be forced onto Medicare at our own expense. The supposed free medical, etc., pay tomorrow for your reenlistment and loyalty today, was called deferred pay.

    So today when one thinks of any TRICARE premium, Medicare premium, fee increases, etc., they are all just one more broken promise to those of us that served in the 80s and before. For many who made less than $500 a month, before taxes as a Sgt. (E5) when housing wasn't available in many high cost areas, housing allowances were standard for everyone and we were forced to live a dozen or more miles from our base, etc., the promise of deferred compensation and loyalty meant something. While we don't think one can ver be overpaid for turning over ones life to control by a political system, especially during war time, these premiums, fees, increases are a bitter pill to swallow for those who today receive ever degrading benefits and retirement lower for a career of service than half their pay grade. Although most of us didn't stay solely for the promises made, we did expect them to be kept.

  15. Democrats and Republicans have one thing in come with Jessy James. He robbed trains and banks because that is where the money was. ( I think Dillinger was the one who said it). Nonetheless, they go after retirees because they have your money in their greedy hands. That way they can give billions to people who basically hate us. No more tribute to tyrants and terrorist!

  16. What bothers me, in addition to the way our military is treated is the fact "they" don't care about the women. I am a breast cancer survivor with lymphodema in both arms. Tricare doesn't even cover lymphodema compression sleeves!
    I am fortunate my husband and I can afford the sleeves, but there are so many women who can't.
    This is so wrong!!!!

  17. Tricare Prime is an inexpensive insurance when compared to others insurances. It has taken care of several costly procedures with little or no cost to my wife and I. Personally, if it increases for the coverage we get I can live with that. I realize that many of us were told 'stories' by our recruiters but the facts are that life costs. We have good doctors and are treated quickly so no complaints here. I don't expect to be taken care of without a cost associated. This has nothing to do with either being a Democrat or Republican just a fact of life. Seems to me that those that cry the loudest are the ones with their hands out expecting something, no demanding something for nothing! Get real and face the facts of living in a society such as ours. Just my 2 cents worth!

  18. They (those who are them) are aligning the military with the civilian sector. Eventually retired military (which I am, served 23 years and 7 months in the Navy) will pay as much as someone who hasn't been in the military. Our government targets us because we have a steady income every month – and eventually – we won't have anything. I really enjoyed last year when federal taxes went up $300.00 and there was absolutely no mention of federal tax increases like this – the only way I noticed it was I got notification from DFAS in January of the increase. Can't wait for all of the final hits this year – right now my taxes went down $22 a year and home owner's insurance went up $300.00 a year – there will not be a middle class – all of us middle class will be poor.

  19. Dave Roush (e7 ret) | October 15, 2012 at 12:49 pm |

    What I pay for Tri-Care Prime is still way, way below what I would have to pay (even with the increases) if I used any of the plans available at work. My spouse is on Tri-Care for Life (being over 65) as well as Medicare. It's been almost 2 years now and I have yet to see a charge for the Tri-Care for Life plan for her though the Medicare is sucking down the bucks of her $300 per month stipend from Social Security she looses about $80 per month for her Medicare (I thought at first that was her Tri-Care for Life but, seems not). The drug refills – are expensive only because be both seem to inhale quite a few pills daily (but certainly not the cost of what others are paying at Wal-Mart!) I mean the other day I was waiting in line to pick up a script and an older person ahead of me at the cash register was writting a check for $500 plus for her scripts (If I had to pay that on a regular basis….)

  20. Michael Vance | October 15, 2012 at 12:49 pm |

    OK, now I see the game plan, rate increases until retirees drop Tri-Care all together to justify and force them into Affordable??? Health Care Plan AKA ObozoCare!!!!

  21. Just a ploy by Bozo Obama to discredit your service and buy into Obama Care.
    He does not care about military retirees or their families.

  22. The point is simply another broken promise. This promise was made to those of us who signed a check payable to the US government for the ammount of "up to and including our very lives" The governemnt has cashed that check for all those who served. Some paid all but all paid some. It is time to hold all in goverment service to the same standard. We kept our promise to serve now keep yours.

  23. here we go again – the not so gentle nudge (shove) down the path from our entitlement to Obama-care.

    Remember this when you vote. I did.

  24. How will this effect the elderly widowed retirees who at present have Medicare for their primary insurance and Tri-care for life as their secondary?

  25. TC & TFL is still a good deal. But don't let anyone think that if Obama stays in power that it won't get all fouled up. I am retired AF and would do it all over again. The politics of this govt. have ruined our system & ran it into the ground. In my opinion America needs new leadership in order to straighten things out. Benefits or no benefits when my country called I answered & I would expect our managers to work together to get our country back in line. That's where the problem lies. When we in the military are given a task to do we all pull together and get the job done. Hospital rates are going to get worse because of our managers. And I agree, nothing is for free.

  26. SFC USA RET | October 15, 2012 at 1:01 pm |

    When "Try to get Care" first was proposed, I spoke like mad agains it. I warned my fellow servicemember that "Once the goverment charges you a penny… they will increase it untill it becomes unafordable". Today we are going down that road.
    Is the goverment trying to make it soo expensive, that Obama care will be more attractive? I don't know… really
    One thing I know. It is partially our fault, you see, We keep on reelecting the same people to represent us. How can we expect a different result?
    If we ever decide to exercise our "Right to vote" with the same courage, care and smarts that we fight our wars, we would not have to worry about been paid with lies.
    I served, because I love this country, and if a had a second life, I would serve again. Just wish they were as faithful to us as we have been to them

  27. Again, TRICARE wants more. They always want more, while we (retirees) are faced with doing without as the economy get's worse. They greased in the recent premium hike without significant or effective resistance from our so called leadership, and now they are planning on doing it again.

  28. My husband is a retiree with over 22 years which included the Vietnam war.
    The promise of health care for life was in writing over and over through the years and touted this benefit as 20% of the very low pay received. If we had known that the government was lying, we would have purchased health care when we were younger, but most of us are older now and not in as good health as we were in 1994. The barriers to care are there under Tricare. There is no family medicine for retirees on medicare. They must get a private doctor. They could not possibly be over using military medicine with this screening. They can not be seen without a recommendation by this doctor. It is increasingly difficult to get a doctor the will accept medicare. Tricare was inacted in 1994 under the Clinton Administration.
    The result is now millions of retirees have been dumped on medicare which decreases the ability of civilians to get timely care and find a doctor.
    Republicans only control the house not the inactive senate. The military hating Democrats will contune to deminish military pay, retirement pay and benefits to provide for those who will not work or should not be here in the first place.

  29. If you have not priced the coverage of a 26 and under dependent with TRICARE, prepare to be shocked. My son completed his schooling, is 21, still lives at home to save money for a house, his monthly bill with TRICARE would be 240$. Thanks Obama appointees.

  30. Fred Haenel | October 15, 2012 at 1:06 pm |

    I'm on TFL and love it! The $90+ dollars a month that I pay for part B is inconsequential when I consider what non tricare folks on Medicare only must pay for care and drugs. My wife is not yet old enough for TFL and we supplement het tricare coverage with a plan offered by ASI for $400+ per year. That is also inconsequential when one considers that, including the cost of that insurance, we were only $800 out of pocket this past year when she had a hip and both knees replaced! Prime is not an option where we live and, frankly I don't miss it.

  31. Not to worry about the increase in TRICARE……Everyone seems to be forgetting that you'll be getting a 1.3% COLA so all will be well….Yeah Right!!!! Thanks for everything………

  32. Tricare is still the best deal going. quityerbitchin and be thankful for what you have.

  33. For everyone bashing cptdent, just an observation but he may have been an army reserve retiree. which by that nature would not have allowed him the privilege of participating in Tri Care Prime until a certain age. Of course then it’s still not free because you have to enroll and pay for Medicare Part B.

  34. Bruce Allen | October 15, 2012 at 1:13 pm |

    Please, is it not reasonable to have an intelligent ,sensible discussion on the subject of health care and TRICARE? My wife and I are both retired military, thus over 40 years in the service of our country so what I am about to say about TRICARE is based on both of us devoting our working lives in health care and for me specifically, also in the development and implementation of TRICARE and TRICARE for Life. One, the government officially NEVER legislated "free health for life" for service to one's country. They guaranteed a pension and other benefits, but not free health care. Second, the health industry is, and has been, basically unregulated since its inception, thus health care costs continue (except for a few years) to escalate beyond any other measure of economic activity, including the always ever-expanding defense budget. To seriously believe or suggest that increases in TRICARE premiums (which remained constant for many years) and TRICARE for Life newly-instituted premiums (which is significantly less than other supplemental insurances for Medicare-eligibles) is to ignore the realities of health care costs in the United States. Third, regardless of premium increases, it is still by far a great benefit; but only if it can adjust to remaining financially viable. To those who have served who believe they have been "screwed" by the system, I can only say that dismissive or objectionable rhetoric underlies the fact that those people are ignorant of the health delivery system and costs in this country. My advice is 1) read and get educated and become responsible for your care, as you should for any insurance product you have; and 2) resources are finite, which translates to cutting up the defined pie accordingly; if you want less premiums for expensive care as you age, perhaps insist, by your vote and by your voice, to your legislatures (both national and state) that more of the resources in the defense budget goes to health care…of course, that will mean that bombs, planes and continued, unending wars will have to be reduced. To this, I would not be at all surprised to hear that we can't do that because that would make us weak. My only answer to that reply is then to go back to Step 1…otherwise please refrain from name-calling and other derogatory, uneducated replies and just pay your share of fees for what is to date the best health insurance coverage for anyone in this country Finally, the fact you served your country, unless you were forcibly drafted, doesn't automatically grant you privileges above any other citizen of this country, even if you think otherwise. We are all American citizens period. If receiving entitlement programs was your primary motivation for serving your country and not for protecting your country and upholding our Constitution and form of government than one would not be unreasonable to question one's dedication and service since it is by definition only a "means to an end"…a less than honorable motivation for serving one's country.

  35. I don't know what is wrong with so many of you so called "Retirees." You've all got Tricare of one type or the other. I retired in 1973 with thirty years. Had to put up with CHAMPUS for a few years until TriCare came in. From that moment on I have never had to pay one single dime for any medical condition or treatment. I get any necessary medicine from military bases, as needed, and go to any civilian clinic, specialist, hospital, or doctor necessary, anywhere in the country free of ANY charges.
    Yes, you have to turn 65 to be covered by the free plan, TriCare for Life, but by doing the numbers given in many of your postings, some of you complaining are over that age. Sounds as though some of the others here simply like to hear themselves complain about any good deal offered them.
    I think that perhaps some of you have just never been properly instructed, upon discharge, as to what your benefits as a retiree are.

  36. If they want to raise the fees for Tri-care Prime, then they should allow the working are retiree's back into the service. Its basically called Age Discrimination. IMO, to fix the Tricare issue, the Cost should be based off of your retirement pay. I don't expect a vetern that retired 15 years ago to pay the same as when I retired 10 yrs ago. Nor should I expect to pay the same as a person who is retiring today. I can see a one time increase to TRICARE, then after that, there needs to be a lock to Tricare that holds the rate at COLA. As for the person that came in in 1989, I guess your too young to know what was promised to the older vets! I enlisted in 1980 and Free Healthcare for life was taunted as one of the reasons to re-enlist. You have to remember, up until the mid-80's, the pay for military was well below what the civilian sector was paying thus many of the retirees are making 1/2 of what a E6 is getting now.

  37. Bottom line guys, "Freedom is Never Free".
    Of late I've had thoughts as to, "Why I served 20+ years"; when I look around and see all the civilian dirt bags dragging their duffle bags everywhere. Seems there is no appreciation, let alone respect, for what we've done.
    Country is going to hell in a golden hand basket plastered with yellow ribbons.
    Contemplate on this for a skoshi bit.

  38. I was a recruiter in the 70's. I should have kept some of the brochures we handed out that stated, in print, free medical care for life if you serve twenty years. The kicker is, that the care would be provided on military instalations. Now a days however, with BRAC, a base might not be right next door, anymore. And if you can get to a base, your at the bottom of the totem pole, and that's if there are enough doctors available. Because of deployments, there probably won't be. That's where TRICARE comes in. Bottom line "a promise is a promise".

  39. why you don't believe in free speech, i call a spade a spade……no matter who it is……

  40. Can anyone tell me why the price of Diesel is greater than the cost of Regular gas in the United States?

  41. I like TRICARE. My wife and I were paying $450 monthly for "BCBS Federal" because she is a federal retiree. I am paying $130 for medicare. As soon as she became eligible for Medicare we halted Blue Cross. Saves money of RX also. By the way, I am a disabled veteran the the VA is not bad either.

  42. There seems to be NO government program that's perfect, but after 43 years of service in the NG (with deployment), I am grateful for TRICARE. That comes from my experience of being in the education profession and paying nearly $1000 MONTHLY for healthcare. There's plenty of blame to go around – but be careful what you complain about,

  43. Tri- Care is the best period. Do the math.

  44. Can anyone tell me what you do when this proposed voucher amount you receive can not cover all of your medical expenses?

  45. Sorry, I forgot. My recruiter in 1963, a Marine First Sergeant, told me that I had medical for life if I became a career Marine. I never forgot that. I was just 18 and thought it was true.

  46. It's all part of helping to pay for Obama care and linked with cutting Social Security and Medicare to do the same.

  47. regardless of what anyone says here, nothing will change. Complaining to this forum is like talking to a tree. Despite how good it may feel, nothing is different.

    Change needs to be applied at the Voting booth. I say it's time to flush the system in Washington and dump all those incumbents right out the door and bring in fresh new minds and ideas!

    Old minds yield old ideas. New blood will bring a difference we need!

    Just saying.

    Did you know that the Ostrich has a brain the size of it's eye, and that the Starfish has no brain at all.

    That has nothing to do with this, but has the same beneift as complaining. None.

  48. Can anyone tell me where all the weapons of mass destruction are and what island is Colon Powell retired on with his son. I guess he has not set up an antenna yet so we can not ask the FCC if he is legal??

  49. Dick Uhrmacher | October 15, 2012 at 1:33 pm |

    For "HereIAM". I don't know who you are, but your information is not only wrong, but offensive to those of us who SERVED our Nation during the Korean and Viet Nam eras! We were PROMISED full medical care, not only for us individually, but for our family, as well, for serving 20 years of Active Duty. You don't have to believe me, just check with your Congressman or Senator, or if you can find one, a "Recruiter" from that era. A promise is a promise! And this promise was something that we considered soberly when we made the decision to make the military a career, just like any civilian who considers the perks for staying with one company or another. We veterans of the era cited don't ask for anything special, no special treatment, etc…..We just ask that the U. S. Government fulfill its promises to us!

  50. In 1976 I entered Basic Training in GLakes and my BlueJackets Manual reflected life time health care for retirees. In the 1980s, I was a facilitator for Command Training Team (CTT), we presented Rights and Responsibilities, and it was in this workshop that the comment was always made that "What Congress giveth, Congress has the ability to taketh away." I retired in 1997, so TRICARE is something we all have to deal with, doesn't make it morally correct, it's just a plain fact of life.

  51. I joined the Greastest Navy the world has ever known when I was 16 and retired in 1974, in 1954 when I signed on the totted line, I was told that if I stayed for 20 or more years that I would have the same medical coverage that all the menbers of congress have. (maybe a class action law suit would help).

  52. We are an obamination!

  53. Donald r. Bisson | October 15, 2012 at 1:42 pm |

    The Army siad that if I would stay in the military 20 year or more that I would and my family gate full meadical and Dentail at no cost for life. Everyone know what that mean. The goverment promise is only good for that monent

  54. Ditto. You have it right. It is not a matter of whether we were promised this or that but if we are supporting illegals, indian tribes and most of all congress members and senate members for life without any fees, why should dedicated military retirees that gave either mos and some gave all, should have to beg and sometimes go without because of fees they have not been able to place in their fixed income budgets. Has everyone become nuts?? Cant you guys see it??/

  55. I am a spouse of a Navy career sailor, having served with my husband during all the years of his service, I'll said I served right along with him.
    During the 22 years of duty, only 4 of those shore duty. He spent 8 1/2 years out of the home, not including the times he left for one/two/three months. We didn't expect much except our pension and medical services. It has proven to us the most valuable has been the Tri-care for life. Had it not been for this service, we would have filed bankruptcy many times over. Want to complain about something, take the pension program for surviving spouses. It's pretty tough living on 55% of his pension after the spouse passes. So much for this issue. we are grateful for the Tri-care program, God Bless our Military

  56. This is all so depressing. I’ll be 60 in 5 months, and finally eligible for my retirement “benefits”. (I served 4 years active and 18 years reserve.). I too, have been paying over $600/month for Blue cross and look forward to Tricare. My husband (over 65) will go on Tricare for Life. Do any of you have any tips on how of switch from Medicare part B (and Blue Cross supplemental) to TFL?

  57. SFC Ret. Rich | October 15, 2012 at 1:53 pm |

    I have to agree that promises made have been promises broken.
    at age 60 I paid far less for Tricare than I do now at age 71 for Medicare. The whole thing is a** backwards.

  58. All you all that are complaining – 22 or 44 bucks a month. C'mon Folks. More Excellent Health Care than you could have imagined back in 1970's , and you say the 'Gov't is a liar'. You're probably a Republican too. We are not, and maybe we should be, asked to to continue to sacrifice a little for our country. . This is just about the greatest veterans health care program in the world

  59. When I entered the military in 1967, retirement pay and medical benefits were "promised" in the same breath. Pay in those days were very low and no one would have stayed in for 20 years or more just on the promise of retirement pay alone. Trust me. TRICARE costs $600 a year per family. Guess what? When you hit age 65, you have to pay for MEDICARE at $100 a month per person, and your total for a couple is $2400 a year. Only if you have MEDICARE, you can have TRICARE for life free. But like retirement pay and health care, the Congress or the President can renig on the "promise."

  60. I am a retired E 7 and have tricare now and I love it. Get the best treatment and have no complaints. Even if our rates go up a little (which they just did) it is still worth it. I to was lied to but what can we do? No complaints at this point but if the rates do go up it will be a problem……

  61. Gotta balance the budget somehow. To heck with all those pesky requests for new equipment. Get rid of those troops who keep whining about multiple deployments for the past eight years. Afterall, there are priority programs that need to be funded like…

    Creating and teaching a graduate program in Uganda to exploit their huge oil reserves (A USAID program which is part of the State Department that Biden said had budget cuts and couldn't fund more security in Libya). Oh yah, the USAID went from 2900 employees in 2011 to 3900 in 2012.

    Or the pet project of Obama – Americorp. Gotta keep those 90,000 people employed building up the civilian security force that's just as well trained and funded as the U.S. military.

    And not to even begin to mention all those essential green projects, failed solar battery companies, bankrupt solar panel companies, non-turning wind turbine companies, and all the countries we redistributed our wealth to all for Obama's pipe dream of a utopian one world order.

  62. It's always funny to me how those who vote for "less government" and "less spending" start yelling and screaming when it effects THEM! Well guess what? – you got what you voted for – so deal with it and stop whining.

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  64. Do congressmen have their medical coverage continually raised? I think not.

  65. Thomas Kirkham | October 15, 2012 at 2:20 pm |

    Hey fellas, wouuld you all like some cheese with that whine???


  67. jerry butler | October 15, 2012 at 2:28 pm |

    you for got that some of us have two pay a copay also

  68. dirt bags cannot stop themselves. Take the money from the medical benefits given to illegals. Take money from the millions given to the Palestinians. Take the money from the UN dues. Enough of this assault on vets. No wonder these politicians are despised. They already got an increase and because of mismanagement and bad priorities need MORE?? In every correspondence with politicians put this issue in front of them constantly, bombard them with complaints and voting decisions.

  69. Amen! I carried this country on my back and damn near broke it for the 6 yrs I served as an active duty Army nurse. To see the rest of the country who didn't serve or are here as an illegal get cheap or free healthcare is a damn shame. I might as well go off the grid for a while and comeback as a freeloader who is a parasite to system and contributes in no way at all. What a sham….


  71. When I entered the Air Force in '72, I was led to believe retirement benefits included free medical care for life. By the time I approached retirement in '96, I had figured out the promise was a wide-spread lie or a hoax. Either way, it wasn't happening. At least, so far, we have affordable insurance with TRICARE. I was pleased that the TRICARE cost increase was across the board and not by rank. For the most part, the individuals of higher rank, enlisted and officer, worked harder to reach those higher ranks and did not deserve to be penalized with higher premiums than those who slacked off. The benefit of TRICARE for Life is that you don't need to purchase a separate supplemental policy, although you do have to enroll in Medicare Part B (currently $99.90 per month, per retiree).

  72. MARI:

  73. Before you complain do your 20 Years like most have done and U.SAM will take care of you !!!!

  74. Iris Beyley | October 15, 2012 at 2:41 pm |

    Interesting it seems to me that with Obamacare second part looming in the horizon, we all have to pay one way or the other, still as a dependant wife with a retired husband we are healthy, why we have to pay more for healthcare?

    Oh, I forgot, we have to pay for those that Obamacare is going give free care.

    Yeah, socialization but only when it fit the corporate dictatorship.

    Wake up people, this is just the begining.

  75. Lee Sherard | October 15, 2012 at 2:44 pm |

    So my fee for Great Health Care has increased about 22.00 a month. Get over it.
    One less run to McDonalds with a couple of kid's will more than cover your loss.
    I am on Medicare, my wife is still on Tricare. It does'nt get any better than this.
    Retired CPO on 20.

  76. Love my country | October 15, 2012 at 2:48 pm |

    I have been on tricare now for 4 years, and i think for what we pay we got a deal. If you retirees are so upset then go out and buy your own policy lol see how much that costs. I served 25 years in he navy and am a disabled vet with treminal cancer from Nam. TriCare has been a blessing for me and my wife. Suck it up what we pay is crap when you think of what others pay. Take it up with McCain he recommend the hike.

  77. Folks,

    Lets offer to accept increases in TRICARE without screaming if the government will bring back recomputation of retirement pay everytime the active force gets a pay raise. This was the system prior to the late 1940's or early 50's when the 20 year retirement option became available-previously on had to serve 30 years. This would give nearly all of us an immediate pay raise, making an increase in TRICARE costs more acceptable.

  78. Richard Lutes | October 15, 2012 at 2:56 pm |

    To Bruce Allen: I could not have said it better than you. I served 22 years and had 3 reenlistments with another after being out for 4 years. I know medical benefits were always used as a verbal enticement, but it was never in a contract. Those who believed that and there are a lot, I say welcomed to the real world. Everything costs.

  79. Wait 'til you get on TriCare for Life plus Medicare. You'll breath easier listening to all the kerfuffel about that lunatic ObamaCare. It will make you feel much better about your health benefit.

  80. Those of us that have served understand what it means to "pay our dues". With that said, none of us can ever expect our country to maintain the quality of TRICARE service without having to make adjustments to the premiums to negate some of the ever-growing costs. For those that disagree….have something happen in your life that requires major medical and you will then understand how well we (those with TRICARE) have it….especially at the rates we get that coverage!

  81. I am 75 years old, Retired AF Master Sergeant. My wife is under 65 and on Tri Care Prime, oh my, we are paying $22 and some change a month for her medical care. We spend more that on one night out to eat. All you cry babies should count your blessings, yes we served 20- or more years for our countryt but were you forced too? I think not.

  82. Patrick Hart, SFC | October 15, 2012 at 3:07 pm |

    Tri Care For Life is a great benefit since turning 65 after 20 years service. Amen

  83. Despite an increase, TriCare remains a pretty good bang for the buck. Non Military retirees in many cases pay a whole lot more for a whole lot less.

  84. It think everyone is missing a very important point here. Is anyone else aware that DOD recently requested permission from Congress to tranfer $708 million from the TRICARE Fund to other DOD accounts. It seems that there is a surplus in this amount sitting at DOD and they want to use it for purposes oher than our health care. This begs the real question, If there is currently a surplus of $708 million, why would any additional increases in premium be necessary or justified? I make less than $250,000 per year and consider myself middle class. I am getting very tired of hearing the current administration telling me they are looking out for me while driving up my health care costs and using the money for other purposes.

  85. SFC RETIRED ARMY BO | October 15, 2012 at 3:18 pm |

    spent 32yrs in army was proud to serve i like my insurance.I just hope we dont lose it with OBAM CARE. sfc ret army

  86. Wayne Miller | October 15, 2012 at 3:20 pm |

    I don't have a problem with the increase in fees.. My wife and I are raising two of our grandchildren and if I had to purchase private insurance it wouild put quite a dent in my finances. However, it irks me that those of us who served this country have to pay for those who have never contributed anything and live off the sweat and taxes paid by odthers. Parasites living off the host, (the taxpayers) and the governemnt encouraging it.

  87. What some shortsighted and misinformed individuals have choosen to ignore are the cold, hard facts of reality that underscores the countless sacrifices and hardships military servicemembers made upfront in their military service careers. Those sacrifices and hardships were made so that the vast and overwhelming majority of Americans didn't have to make those same personal sacrifices and endure the many hardships in their and other family member's lives. All of this was done with the expectation that those many sacrifices and endured hardships were neither accomplished in vain or diminished by those who have never served a greater good in the Armed Forces defending our great nation and it's national security interests at home and abroad.

  88. As a retiree, I have no real problems with TRICARE increases. My only issue is with the way it is administered. When a family of two is paying the same as a family of 5, 6, 7, you name it, there seems to be a mismatch. As with all insurance plans, the size of the famliy should have some impact on the families individual premiums. I have taken advantage of the TRICARE Young Adult program for my son (currently 23 and in college) which is costing me an additional $2,400 dollars per year. Again, well worth the cost. At some point the number of people getting care of the family rate needs to be looked at.

  89. Who knows the correct answer to this question? How long do you have to serve as a Congressman/women, senator ect to receive 100% retirement and health benefits


  91. Instead of bitching here, why not take the same time and send an email to your Congressman and House of Rep and bitch to them. Might make a lot more difference as this page doesn't get you anything.

  92. Ron Paliughi | October 15, 2012 at 4:11 pm |

    To Bruce Allen. I find you remarks condescending and arrogant. Yes, we can have an intelligent discussion, but that includes you not inferring disagreement with your point of view means one is an uneducated whiner. First of all, the proposition that the military healthcare tail of veterans health benefits is eroding the defense budget is complete spin. The numbers presented by this administration are extrapolated with false time intervals, and unrealistic actuary tables. The proposition that that the fraction of the population that are 20+ year
    Veterans receiving health benefits are impacting the Trillion dollar federal deficits
    is ludicrous. The math being presented is false and skewed to the worst case scenario. What is really happening is the Administration/ DOD knows that military people are loyal and accepting. They are an easy mark so let's raise their benefit contributions, most won't say a thing just salute and get out their check books.
    I agree with those who replied that almost getting killed for your country puts many veterans in a different category. So please Bruce compared to many who are receiving benefits ( free cell phones, contraception, food stamps, Pell grants, health care for illegal aliens, etc.)Veterans are Not the group to single out as ungrateful or uneducated. How dare you ask for a civil discussion when you bash your fellow veterans- if you truly were one.

  93. I don't have a problem with Tricare premiums going up with inflation and I understand that the promise of free healthcare for life was not written down, but let's get the word out now. For those of you on active duty, if you stay for 20 and retire, YOU DO NOT GET FREE HEALTHCARE. You get good healthcare but you also get no promise that it will be any more affordable than other healthcare. So what is really going on that while it is easy to say "we support our troops" , it is only talk. As soon as something concrete comes along many, many people forget the sacrifices you made and just want you to pay, just like they do. Sad but true.

  94. The small increase in Tricare fees will not break any of us.Those who disent should leave the program and go out and buy from the private sector.

  95. Chris Bodden | October 15, 2012 at 4:20 pm |

    Amen Ron, you could not have said it better!!

  96. Too bad no one looks at the history. All the answers are there. Military retirees and their dependents had healthcare free of charge at military installations until the early 1990s. That was when they were forced out. Prior to that, CHAMPUS was available free of charge if you did not live near a base.

    The serious problems arose with the drawdown of the early 90s. The MTF could no longer handle the workload. At some facilities, dependents could choose to go off base for healthcare. Retirees were no longer being seen on base.

    With the MTFs not providing the healthcare any longer, the government had to start charging for the healthcare they promised and were providing. Tricare began.

    I entered the service in 1986 and was told I'd have free healthcare for the rest of my life if I stayed in 20 years. At that time it was being provided to retirees free of charge.

    Things change. Look at the retirement system…50%, High-3, 40% rule, the 40%/cash option. What the government needs to do is stand up and say "we did promise that…but things change….and here are the new rules."

    I can't believe people are going to fight this much over a few hundred dollars a year when the difference between the 50% and High-3 retirements is a few hundred a MONTH !!! We didn't see this much ruckus when the retirement plan changed. Maybe that was because the retirees had their cake at the time didn't care about the younger guys coming in.

  97. Just get ready for the death panel if AHCA is not repealed. That will thin the populatioin quickly by getting rid of the old and sick and leave more for those exempted.

  98. i expected free med. care the rest of my life, so much for expectations(whatever happened to the rumor NCO, would like to have a word or two with him). i have had nothing but good experiences with the current system and would like it to stay the same, but that is another expectation and it may or may not go away, i'm hoping it stays the same. i am a bit mifted at having to pay so much for the required part B of medicare. i get all my care from the VA and it is great, the premium i paid for the disability was very high, but i am well cared for. i am also mifted by taking the VA pension from my retirement!

  99. The nation is going over the fiscal cliff in cost of entitlements all govt freebies, corpate welfare, subsidies, medi-care, medic-aid, tri-care and GS health care. Everyone is going have to pay more or we all fall off the cliff together. Our govt is broke and borrowing more than we can ever hope to pay back at the debt rate we are going.

  100. I'm retired military and federal civil service. I'm on TRICARE for Life (PPO) – not so sure it's all that it's cracked up to be. My wife died not too long ago after a tough battle with cancer. Fortunately my daughter was with me when I opened a TRICARE statement saying I owed them $72K. I had to give her the statement to 'decipher' it for me – not only did my wife just pass, but now I'm getting slammed with a huge bill. My daughter found a proviso stating I might not owe them anything based upon any other medical insurance I might have. Fortunately, I have private health insurance coverage I continued after retiring from civil service. Had it not been for the additional private insurance, I would have been out the $72K TRICARE noted in their statement to me. As an aside, total medical care for my wife was in excess of $250K, not including hospice care. Nope, sorry – can't say TRICARE is all that good of a deal. Am I missing something here when I read of how great TRICARE For Life is? No I didn't bother calling them to check on their statement – I simply checked with my private insurance who assured me I wouldn't owe TRICARE anything based on what they'd be paying. But no matter, without supplemental health care coverage, I would have been $72K out of pocket to TRICARE. Actually, I still did pay the $72K in the form of monthly insurance premiums (about three years worth), but still, it doesn't detract from the fact that even with TRICARE, there is no such thing as 'free' health coverage for retirees – from what I can see, you'll still pay – either to TRICARE or towards ins. premiums for private insurance. Take your pick – take a gamble on which will eventually cost you less. I'd very much appreciate any comments, good or bad. As I said, maybe I'm missing something here. Then too, what about Long Term Care (LTC) – TRICARE won't pay for that, so now I'm hunting around for an LTC policy – which is yet another example of what is not gratis to retirees. I'm not being critical – just stating facts as I know them and as I experienced.

  101. Jose V. Ogo | October 15, 2012 at 5:02 pm |

    I am retired from the Army but all my time was acquired in the Army National Guard and Army Reserve (1954 to 1996) when I turn 60 year old, My MOS is 63Z as an enlisted and 915A as a CW3. I tried to go active durnig the Viatnam war but they wouldn't take me. My rank at the time was S/sgt E6, I was told that I have to reduce my rank down to Pvt-1 to join. At that time I guessd that the Dept of Defense and Army does not recognize the Army National Guard as part of the overall forces to defend the United States of America. Prior to 1968 I believe, the national guards and reserve connot enter a military base unless on active duty, and no dependent benifit during this time.

  102. Military Man | October 15, 2012 at 5:05 pm |

    Hmmmmm….I spent 30 plus years of my life starting in 1961 on active duty. Mr Allen states that the Government never promissed free medical care for life for those that choose to serve 20 years of active duty. I totally disagree with that statement. All recruiters activly utilised this as an inhancement to secure enlistees. The VA was initiated as part of this agreement. Mr Allen has some good points and some bad. His approach is insulting to those of us who served 20 plus years and for that matter those of you who have sustained injuries in the defense of our country.

  103. Politicians are only good in making promises. Fulfilling it is another thing. I know who to vote this time and the name starts with R. It is time to make a change to unfulfilled promises.

  104. I find it ludicrous that there is any fee at all since our Congress and Senate Members get their health insurance for "FREE" and at TAXPAYER expense!! Why are they not having to pay even 10%!!

  105. Point of clarification. TRICARE is NOT health insurance in the traditional sense of the word. When I worked for TRICARE ten years ago it was considered a miltary Health Maintenance Organization (HMO) for those who serve(d) and their dependents, with ithe intention of providing access to quality care at low cost. I bellieve ihat has been a true statement ifor the most part since its inception. I also believe that it is a promise ( since nothing in life is guaranteed except death and taxes) that needs to be kept in the future, regardless of who is Presiden, in Congresst or controls the purse strings in the future. – in times of peace and in war.

  106. Vicente Castaneda | October 15, 2012 at 5:11 pm |

    I hope that with this new increase,we the retire SOLDIERS can be able to get appointments to be see for our medical need,the last 3 month my wife has been sick and unable to obtain an appointment. I for one would like to know WHAT IS GOING > I HAVE TO PAY MORE AND BE SEE LESS. Something is wrong

  107. Bruce allen first of all I can see why your not complaining ONe you had afforadble military health care and they never raised premiuns on you, but now your on tricare for life and ducked the raising of premiums. so the rest of us are just ungrateful retirees if you were in our shoes you would be to…..also I see you and your wife retiered from the military……must be nice to have those fat checks……..hell if I did I wouldnt be worried about anything,

  108. long time gone | October 15, 2012 at 5:17 pm |

    I have yet to hear anything about free healthcare for life that was made by officers who we allowed to make contracts for the goverment and then advertised by Uncle Sam

  109. Before congress passes on these fees to US, how about they take the first step and INCREASE some of their own costs; they sit on their behinds while WE the military deploy to some god awful places and are on call 24/7 365 yet congress KEEPS taking and giving very little or nothing back in return. Congress HAS NO VESTED interest in US so to them these increases mean nothing. WE as a nation need to take this country back, VOTE for these people that support us and realize the sacrifices we are making. Tri-care SHOULD NOT be touched!! It is a very good program, LEAVE IT ALONE

  110. My Husband was in the military for 30 years and retired for 37. The military took good care of him both before and after his retirement. He received the same treatment that I did when I was insured by my job with the University of Calif. Of course the other UC Retirees pay $345 per MONTH I was greatful that I could switch to Tricare Prime and paid my $269 per YEAR. Get real as retirees and retiree dependents we have a pretty good deal. Look around at your civilian neighbors ask how much they are paying.

  111. I resent the fact that I spent 8 years active and 23 years reserve working to keep Socialism from spreading from the Soviet Union (along with it's Eastern Bloc holdings), China, North Korea, North Viet Nam and Cuba, and now find that I should have stayed home to fight the fight.

  112. USMC1965-2003BIGDICK | October 15, 2012 at 5:49 pm |

    USMC 1965 TO 1993


  113. robert hill | October 15, 2012 at 5:53 pm |

    If the gov had the same health care we have it would be left alone same with social security . That is our ,money and they spind it like its theirs . They spend four years in office and get full pay for the rest of their lives and we spend twenty years is service and only get half our pay . Our lives are on the line and they sit on their ass in washington spending money and taking trips with OUR MONEY what wrong with this picture . We need to replace everyone in gov and get some new blood . People that love this country and will fight for the people .

  114. I enlisted on the Air Force in 1976. I was promised free medical and dental care for life if I put up with the low pay we got then and stuck around for 20 years. I did my part, now I am paying for something I earned. The pay the current military receives is much higher then even just 10 years ago. You can't compare the well paid current military with the low-paid military of past years. Part of our compensation used to be the medical and dental benefits we received when we retired.

  115. Dave Kegley | October 15, 2012 at 6:01 pm |

    You know if our congress would get rid of this $338.3 BILLION a year for illegal persons in this country, we could have a good tricare for life.
    If congress would pay for their insurance, this would help even more.

  116. I agree and vote the bastard out in november!!

  117. Retired SeaBee | October 15, 2012 at 6:10 pm |

    Why is it the Senate and Congress get FREE Medical for life and they ask everyone else to pay more. I don't see them having to chip in. We the retirees and every other civilian pays for their medical. When will people get smart and start demanding that they pay too?

  118. For those who continue to direct us to ask our neighbors or civilian friends how much they are paying in healthcare, let me remind you while my neighbors and civilian friends spent the holidays with their families, most of us spent ours in a combat zone. I have missed birthdays, holidays, first steps, first words, my family has had to learn to carry on their lives without me in it and realize the possibility I may not come home. I have been on 24-hr call for over 20 years and at the end of it if I bulk at the government seeing my health insurance as low hanging fruit in the budget issues, I do not believe that makes me selfish, irresponsible, "entitled", or misinformed. I answered the call when it came, I answered it without reservation or limitations. I expect my earned BENEFITS not entitlements.

  119. USMC1965-1993BIGDICK | October 15, 2012 at 6:17 pm |


  120. Does anyone know the answer to the following question?

    Who pays for the healthcare of people in the United States who do not have healthcare insurance because they are unregistered illegal aliens?

    NOTE: This is not a loaded or trick question.

  121. I joined in 1968. Then promised Med/Dential/Vision for life. HMMMM paying for it all now. Spent 26 years in U.S. Navy and proud of it.

    Bill in North Carolina

  122. Chiming in….Take some of those millions of dollars that the VA spent on exuberant conferences, the Senate spent on nude beach excursions, and all the other wasteful Government travel expenditures that folks are resigning over and apply them to broken promises! Bet things would start to look up in a positive manner real FAST! And….ya just gotta love how all of those Government, fraud, waste and abuse programs are saving us billions! Yea, Right, rather they are just adding to the LOSS!

  123. I was an AF recruiter over 5 years in the late 50's and early 60's. Yes Free medical after retirement was part of the program and was listed as so in many of the handouts and recruiting pitch for all branches of service. We were all misled.
    What a shame. DJ

  124. USAF Retired | October 15, 2012 at 6:39 pm |

    I am retired Air Force and if I had to pay what my peers pay for civilian healthcare through the company I work for, I would be paying monthly for what My annual family Tricare Prime costs today. I was promised free healthcare when I enlisted as well, I am thankful I have a health care plan that doesn't cost very much monthly and is alot less than what it would cost if I did not serve my country.

  125. We as Retirees are on a one way ticket to Hell.

  126. That's great, spent 22 years in defense of our country and never paid a dime while I was active. Now that I'm retired the government is getting their bucks back to sponsor Medicare and the executive branch as Obama care deregulated the medical insurance world. Yes, medical care was free, as explained by my Boot Camp Instructor ABEC Fulbright. Looks like America fell in the toilet. This E-8 here doesn't understand how his retirement $700.00 per month is the paper used in the flush back to Washington.

  127. Even if I agree with many of you I still believe we get much more than civilians and pay much less. Yes, I did serve 26 years and many of them in the middle of nowhere working 15 hours daily for 6 days, sometimes 7. Still, that was a decision I made and I do not regret any of it. So far I have used Tricare Prime to the fullest and with 4 kids is a great deal.

    But I do understand why some are not happy and I can't blame you. Lets hope Congress wakes up after taking 9 months vacation this year and comes up with a better alternative. Maybe increasing their medical insurance and maybe working a little more ( like 8 more months annually) to earn those benefit will make them feel what we feel. . NARD!!!

  128. I don't understand these people that want to let the government off the hook on a promise they made. Excuses like; 'Oh the government didn't realize the medical cost would go up so much'. Or 'hey this isn't the first promise broken' You don't think the government doesn't have actuaries that knew this a long time ago. All we hear today is this government agency and that government agency says "We can't afford it or We need more money" Who the hell figures out these numbers? The government wasn't blind to what was coming they just want retirees to bend over and take it. Remember what MacArthur said "Old soldiers just fade away". That is what our government wants us to do. To top it off they want to start charging senior (over 65) retirees over $100 a month for Tricare for life. Figure this one up. Medicare=$100 a month for 80%, Tricare=$100 a month for 20% whats wrong with this picture. Second point to those that want to give the government a break. Please Please call me next time you need something done, like a re-roof of your home. I'll bid $100 and when the job is done I'll charge you $10,000 and say, "Hey I didn't realize the cost of labor and materials would be that much". And you better not complain! Or let me sell you a whole life policy and 20 years down the road triple your premium and say "Hey we didn't realize so many people would die we need more money" Think you wouldn't be mad as hell?
    Get real what ever happened to Honest Abe? Well I guess we retiree's should have known, look what the government did to the Indians! We are the new Indians.

  129. rick from Crocker Mo | October 15, 2012 at 7:42 pm |

    I retired in 97 after 26 years, wife and 4 kids. My wife died and all my kids are gone except one 18 year old with autism. I still pay the same amount as I did with a house full of people. I have no complains. Tricare takes care of our needs, service is great. I feel fortunate that the cost is so low. I worked as a medic in the AF in the early 70's care in military hospitals was almost impossible to get. Working the ER it would be filled with mom's with their sick kids because there were no appointments. Unless it was an emergency or something unique, all the patients were treated by medics. I don't know what was or wasn't promised in the 50's 60's or even when I joined. I didn't join for the medical care. I didn't join out of sense of pride. I joined because I wanted a better job. The service was good to me, and medical care is good. I for one have no complaints. If the fee has to increase, so be it. It is still cheaper than my counterparts working for the state or the county which I worked for both

  130. I served 30 years in the Navy as a Boiler Technician. I retired in 98. The rule should be that medical and dental together can not increase more than half of the COLA increase we receive when there is a COLA increase. I would like to get a raise in my retirement pay once in awhile.

  131. It is easy to understand how retirees feel betrayed. Quite simply, that is exactly what happened. One thing that did not change is the perks available to our politicians. They are doing fine, thank you very much, as they always look after themselves first.

  132. norm,

    When you qualify forf Medicare they will become the primary payor and TRICARE will be secondary. Medicare sends TRICARE the bill and you get a final statement from TRICARE after they have paid. (Obamacare does not steal from Medicare but redirects some of the fees it presently pays to hospitals and doctors back to pay for its insureds.) I have Medidcare and TFL and so far have paid a very small amount for health care–including for a stint in the hospital for a heart probelm. The program has worked very well for me and I hope it will now do the same for you.

  133. Dave Gander | October 15, 2012 at 8:23 pm |

    I would use every curse word in the book, but that would not change anything. Get rid of Obama a guy with no military service, and put in someone who knows the military first hand.

  134. Thanks Obama. Please Romney appeal all this BS against military retirees while people on medicaid get everything including dental and meds free.

  135. Thanks for the info PMT. I guess I am going to move to Oklahoma in the future if Tricare keeps going up. I think my great great Grandmother was American Indian and it sounds like a great deal!

  136. I served 20 years and was told that my health care would be provided at the nearest milartary installation for free and without a installtion near by that I would receive medical care at a reduced price. I entered into the service too serve and protect my country; whichI was proud to do until the past few years . Where everyone seems to belive that the country has to give them everything for free without returning any type of service in return.

  137. You can thank POTUS Barack Insane Obama for this continuation of erroding our benefits, their is no way a Republicans senate would have put this bill through to start with, (IF YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR KIDS OR GRANDKIDS VOTE FOR INSANE AGAIN"

  138. Ronald Padro | October 15, 2012 at 9:05 pm |

    How dare you scr— the Mil. this way why don't you take a big chunk out of the Senate & Congress AND GIVE IT TO THE PEOPLE WHO GAVE THERE BLOOD FOR THIS COUNTRY.

  139. This is only the tip of the iceberg called Obamacare – retes have gone up since the requirement that insurers must keep children on the family plan until they are 26. Insurers don't insure anyone for free.

  140. I'm sitting here reading all the commnets on this topic and I am getting further and further depressed after each sentence that I read. I'm retired with 21 yrs service… never used the VA. Always pay my premiums for Tricare Prime. I think it is a great system… so far. But when is the governemnt going to quit squeezing us into a corner while many in this country are playing the system and getting many of thier wants, NOT NEEDS… satisfied. All the welfare bums, food stamp scams, disability moochers, etc. etc. I am totally disgusted and can understand why so many of our young heroes are diciding to just give up and punch out. Sad.

  141. You people have it all wrong. I have Medicare (just turned 65) and Tricare For Life as secondary. I was diagnosed with cancer one year ago, my bills are up to 300K, and I haven't paid one penny for treatment, cuz Medicare and Tricare cover it. If you vote for Romney, you might as well move to another country as the rich will destroy the poor.

  142. Just to show you what the democrats think about the military….

  143. I joined in 1968 and served 20 1/2 years in the Air Force. At that time were promised free medical, dental and vision for life if we retired. I retired in 1989 and was still a reasonable deal at that time – provided you could manage to get one of the very limited medical appointments that were still available. Of course dental and vision were already history. Then in the early 1990's poof…there went medical. TRICARE is still the best deal around compared to civilian medical insurance policies. It would have been great had the government kept it's promise and grandfathered us in but that didn't happen. I still feel that this was a breach of contract by the government but what can you do?

  144. Our beloved John McCain sold veterans down the river on this stuff. Did not take care of his own. The recently replaced National Commander of the American Legion "Wong" hopped into bed with Oblama on the issue to. Lets face it folks, Democrat or Republican, we are screwed. They want to wave their flags on veterans day and memorial day but when it comes to this stuff no one gives a rats ass about us. They can kiss my big white fluffy behind. Moving to New Zealand, screw it.

  145. Listen, the Obama care train and the democrats will continue to screw the military, don't take my word for it, look at history. Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barrack Hussan Obama all cut the military, the new $500 Billion screw up in the congress will destroy the armed forces, Obama did that. There has not been a budget in 3 .5 years, it's the law! I am not a republican, but I'm voting for Mitt Romney. Again, look for yourself, the Democrats are using us to save money to give to welfare folks who never worked or bleed for this country.

  146. What I find hilarious is the sniping on this, and other blogs, about Democrat versus Republican; It doesn't really matter…Politicians, in general, are all the same…they will screw you, no matter who you are. This is not restricted to the USA. I know it doesn't help, and I'm certainly not advocating anything, but I find myself appreciating Shakespeare more and more…"first, kill all the Lawyers…"; because it also take out 90% of the politicians as well, and go a long way to fixing the other major flaw of American society…frivolous law suits.

  147. I am the widow of a military retiree on the SBP and I know nothing about having to pay for my Tricare benefits. How are we being billed for this? Am I supposed to be paying for these benefits? This is not a complaint. It is 2 earnest questions? jpt

  148. stand up for your rights and promises walk on Washington

  149. You need to contact Tricare. If you are over 65, or under 65 and collecting disability, then Medicare is for you, otherwise, you should be paying for Tricare. As far as I know, Tricare isn't free unless you are paying for Medicare or your spouse (or you) is on active duty.


  151. Looks like our so called representatives have sacrificed us again for their blantant incompetence to control the budget. The military is an easy target because of the control of congress to dictate our every move. But let a big bank or corporation fail in this country and sh** will hit the fan! It all boils to the earners and burners that generate and disinigrate the $$$'s. Putting your life on the line is cheaper than what a big bank can do for generatring wealth in this country and keeping the Chinese from absolute ownership . Just my take

  152. Instead of tilting at windmills as some have done, I would urge all veterans and their voting-age dependents to vote this November 6th as a referendum on how we've been disenfranchised by the Obama administration.

    Need I remind my fellow Americans that the Preamble to our Constitution begins with the three most important words that underscores our most important civic responsibility in servicing our democracy. Those three words are "We the People …." Unless "We" vote as a referendum on the Obama administratiion's cynical attempt to disenfranchise military veterans and their dependents, we will have failed our fellow Americans who have sacrificed much more than we have — their very lives in the defense of our lives, our freedoms and our most cherished liberties.

  153. Our Gov't is not our Gov't. It's the rich people's Gov't. They do not have to suffer from the choices they make (Congress), that affect the poor and middle class (deciding between food and healthcare). Many Retirees and Medically discharged wounded soldiers have gotten the "Royal Shaft" when it comes to benefits. HOW DARE this Gov't treat it's wounded soldiers and Retirees as bad as they treat a poor single mom from the ghetto? CAMELOT is DEAD!!

  154. The people needs to look into changing the outrageous benefits and health plans that government workers have and Congress. We cannot continue paying those high benefits off the small retirement hecks we reciee each month plus the cost shares

  155. USMC1965-1993BIGDICK | October 16, 2012 at 1:12 am |





    If only the Affordable Care Act (Obama Care) could have been single payer and all that money went into healthcare instead of to insurance companies, lawyers, accountants, administrators, banks, director boards, stock holders, drug companies, and republican politicians and other cronyism.

    There is a reason we pay more then twice what the next highest health care nation pays and it is the ability of the right wing to control the republican party and most of the media in their favor to transfer our hard won money to them. And to add insult to injury they want to pay little or no tax on their propaganda derived ill gotten gains.

    If we had universal single payer, absolutely nobody would be have this conversation. and we would have all kinds of money left over to pay our bills. But wait, here comes those same people to pocket these savings, put our bills on a credit a card and blame the other guy for the fiscal mess so they can get elected and do it all over again

  156. USMC1965-1993BIGDICK | October 16, 2012 at 1:14 am |





    If only the Affordable Care Act (Obama Care) could have been single payer and all that money went into healthcare instead of to insurance companies, lawyers, accountants, administrators, banks, director boards, stock holders, drug companies, and republican politicians and other cronyism.

    There is a reason we pay more then twice what the next highest health care nation pays and it is the ability of the right wing to control the republican party and most of the media in their favor to transfer our hard won money to them. And to add insult to injury they want to pay little or no tax on their propaganda derived ill gotten gains.

    If we had universal single payer, absolutely nobody would be have this conversation. and we would have all kinds of money left over to pay our bills. But wait, here comes those same people to pocket these savings, put our bills on a credit a card and blame the other guy for the fiscal mess so they can get elected and do it all over again

    Read more:

  157. In reply to Iscott's post—
    Tricare medical insurance is for military retirees. You are eligible for Tricare if you retired from the military.

    In reply to some other posts—
    It's the House of Representatives in Congress, presently controlled by Republicans, that determines the Federal Government's budget every year. The President can sign or veto the budget. I would think it's wrong to place all the blame on the President. The real cause of the rate increase is probably sky rocketing health care costs and a bad economy.

  158. When my husband signed up for the military he signed a contract, and that contract states, Member and his family will have free medical till our time on
    earth is up. Isnt there a breech of contract. A contract is a contract. I signed a contract for my home to pay a monthly charge of what they said I had to pay and I do. Its a contract. Can I just tell them I dont have to pay, the government breaks contracts and gets away with it .. why cant I do the same.
    And as for the congress and senators an all others who pay nothing for medical and they roll in money. Why cant they take one for the gipper this time. And why are they not paying a dime to begin with. Something stinks her eand it is NOT me. Is this how we teach out children? Contracts are worthless and you dont have to do anything with them without even contacting the service member that gave his heart and blood for his country. This is their thanks I quess … go after the poor and middle class … leave the rich alone.
    Just not right at ALL!!! My poor hubby did all he did for nothing. Whats next??
    Afraid to even ask.

  159. Just wait until Jan 1 2013 when the sequestration budget control act of 2011 kicks in then it will no longer be about Military Retirees! It will be about all the Military active duty, all contractors, all DOD. All National Security programs for the USA! The Cuts across the board are coming and every politician that has a seat at any table that were supposed to be doing work on DOD budgets over the last 3.5 years, will be pointing fingers and acting like they had NOTHING To do with it! It is the perfect plan for plausible deniability and they are all in on it. I do not care if you are a Dem Or Rep… If they are currently sitting in a Active SEAT you should fire them and vote against them as they have FAILED to do their JOB and should lose their job! There is no reason for this, they should have been able to come up with a plan to cut budgets on their own without cutting all programs without reviews, auto cuts are not the way to go.

  160. I was never 'promised' "free" healthcare for life – just for my time in the service. 29 yrs + 1 mon of service later, the military held up their end of the bargain the entire time – for me AND my family. I currently work, and am enrolled in my employer-sponsored healthplan as well as Retiree Tricare.
    Ever since the TriCare cost report was issued in 2008, I have regularly corresponded with my Congressman and both Senators about this issue. Here's what I tell them: there's three distinct populations in the military healthcare system – 1) active duty, 2) retirees (< 65 y/o), and 3) retirees (65 & older). Groups 1) & 3) must not be burdened with ANY changes associated with costs; reason – predominantly fixed income-type beneficiaries. Group 2) however is predominantly still working age (like myself) and should be required to pay for the continuation of the healthcare benefits. Still, the law should allow for caveats for those who might be 'working-age' but not able to actually work; the VA covers those folks – for the most part -but TriCare should help out as well for the families.

  161. The company I currently work for offers healthcare benefits to its retirees, but the costs are different from the actual employees. As working-age military retirees, we really shouldn't be different in that regard. Where the differences SHOULD be manifest are in the amount that is required to be paid, and I'm here to tell you, that even with the recent rise, I am still only paying for a year what my parents pay per month.

  162. Here we go again the government making decisions for everyone from healthcare to whatever they want. From the President on down, they all need to be voted out of office and lets start fresh. Obama promised hope and change, we sure got change for the worse. I spent 30 years serving my country and my military benifits are slowly being taken away. You always here from the President on down how great the military is, but we are the first ones to get the screws put to us. Why does everyone in congress get free medical?for doing what? the last 4 years nothing got done. People need to wake up and see what is happening around them, if we have 4 more years like the last 4 years we are all in trouble. There will be 75% not working or paying taxes, Romney had it right there is 47% of the people that don't pay anything now.

  163. Fact is, NOTHING's free – not even Freedom. Prices are going up, get over it. And like 'HereIAm' wrote, feel free to pay for some stuff out of your own pocket; buy some otc meds BEFORE you decide to clog the military med healthcare system. As an example, my wife had to wait nearly two months to get an appointment with her primary care doctor for an abdominal pain that, after another two months of waiting to get various tests, turned out to be cancer. Not complaining, but wondering how many other people in the four months could have solved their issue with some otc meds so my wife could have been seen sooner.
    In the end, if the legislators feel the need to even double my premiums, fine, as long as the funds go DIRECTLY to my (& my family's) healthcare costs. Ultimately, I'm still paying less than ANYONE non-military.

  164. When I signed up for the Army in the seventies, my contrack also said free health care for life for retirees, in the eighties The Graham/Ruddman act changed all that. First was dental for my family, then it was health care, and so on and so on. I'am not complaining because I still pay a lot less than my civilian counterparts. My Tri Care prime payment come to less $22 dollars a month, theirs is about 250 every two weeks. So say what you want, but 22 dollars a month is a whole lot cheaper than 250 dollars every two weeks. Do I blame Ragan for that?, no I do not, because the bill went through Congress, both Houses(Senate and House of Reps), he just signed the Bill.

  165. When my father entered service in the early 50's, he was promised free healthcare upon retiement. I retiresd in 2008 after 24 yrs service and the price of TRICARE Prime had not changed since it was instituted in 1996. I'm surprised we aren't paying $1200 a year for T-Prime. It would STILL be cheaper than what most of my counterparts pay per month (avearge $500 per month). Having a Universal Care as in Europe does not come cheap. They pay up to 50% in taxes for "Free" healthcare. Think about it.

  166. When I enlisted in June 1954 (retired May 80) the big selling point was free medical for life if you stayed for 20 years.

  167. Tricare for retired military members and their qualifying dependents is an EARNED healthcare benefit for decades of honorable active duty service while enduring many hardships and making personal sacrifices. I emphasized Tricare as an "Earned" benefit because the hardships and sacrifices were made over the course of several decades by honorable service in defending our most cherished freedoms and liberties as Americans. Lest we forget that many have paid a supreme price with their very lives, we ought not diminish their ultimte sacrifice made for many who take for granted the very freedoms and liberties they enjoy today.

  168. I understand that the cost of tricare has to go up but my husband was promised a retirement check which is being eaten alive by fee hikes and government that thinks people under the age of 72 shouldn't receive a retirement check at all. Lets talk about all those in congress and the white house who get medical and retirement for life after serving just one term of 4 to 6 years. Why don't they look in their own backyards first?

  169. I understand that the cost of tricare has to go up but my husband was promised a retirement check which is being eaten alive by fee hikes and government that thinks people under the age of 72 shouldn't receive a retirement check at all. Lets talk about all those in congress and the white house who get medical and retirement for life after serving just one term of 4 to 6 years. Why don't they look in their own backyards first?

  170. I don't believe anyone gives a s**t about any of the veterans. We were promised health care for life. The fat cats in the White House and congress get all these perks after serving only one term. I did 28 1/2 years, USMC proud. Now, my ticket has been punched. I have terminal lung cancer…….yes terminal (think Agent Orange). TRICARE wasn't just a promise; it was a contract. I did my time. I never moaned and complained when I got my orders. I went where I was sent, and did my job. If you think I'm one of the 47%, screw you. I worked for my retirement; and, I also pay each month so my wife can have part of it when I go to the larger Corps in the sky. The government isn't "giving" me anything. It's time someone in this bunch of clowns we have in charge wakes up. It's time for our government to grow up and clean up. Without the military, this country wouldn't even exist. What'cha gonna do when no one shows up for roll call???

  171. I'm not sure what it is that you expect to be "free?" Free of premiums? Free of co-pay?

    If you want the premium free system, you can use Tricare Standard. No premium, you can choose your own doctors, pay a small co-pay. If you want no co-pay, then you need to pay a premium. What we (tricare users) pay for one year is less than most pay for one month!

    The funds for tricare and the "free" medical come from the defense budget. We have a deficit. If we want to see the deficit reduced, then we have to pitch in somehow. Again, the yearly premium for Tricare is so much less than what others pay and you get so much value for it.

    I am NOT trying to diminish the service provided by service members. But expecting an entire household to get free medical care for the rest of our lives for no contribution is going to put the defense budget for health care out of the realm of possible. It should be that the service member gets the "free" out of the system. It would seem reasonable that a "family" addition would have a premium. It's not ideal, I know. It's not ideal that because it comes from defense budget that my kids can't be on the "26 and under insured on parents' policy" program. Although they made their own type of sacrifice for the military, they cannot be included because the policy doesn't cover money out of defense budget. So they're screwed.

  172. I feel that we should not have any increases in our Tricare fees, but since we know we have one coming up, one increase should be enough. I think it is very unfair to raise rates more then the one time, at least in a single year! If we keep seeing increases I feel we should at least see some pay increases also. If we keep having money taken out of the retirement check, soon there will be no check at all!

  173. Enlistretired11 | October 16, 2012 at 12:35 pm |

    A Promise is a Promise and they are not keeping it! “Free Medical for Life” – a contract that seems to be a tall tale and if you think they can go to the VA Clinics to receive it – forget it – it takes months for them to get in to see anyone. We doubt they will be giving a suitable cost of living adjustment due to: 1. The normal increase cost of living (things keep going up and up – ex: gas/food, etc) and 2. The increase cost of Tri-Care? ___For the writer – Jim: Tri-care is for military families as well as retirees. They have different types of plans. To the writer – HereIAm: If you work there – why are you not helping those people do & live better when they come into the clinics if they are overweight or smoking like a crazy?_ To Lynnette: I agree with you – they do keep taking away little by little any retirement earned after 20 years or more of service while they keep giving themsevles more and more. with only 4- to 6 years of service. We do not feel they are listening to the people they are supposed to serve and look out for, the ones who pay for their salary and comfortable life style.

  174. Enlistretired11 | October 16, 2012 at 12:35 pm |

    Why do all of them want to mess with any type of benefits or increase the cost of medical benefits on the people (Military / Military Retirees) who has served and protected this country on very little pay and benefits? It is appalling that they have to continually suffer. Not once have I heard from our government officials saying they are willing to cut some of their pay and / or benefits. Why is the military families always the target when everyone wants to cut back on Government spending?__Just a thought – maybe we should put the government official’s salary increases and benefits on the ballot for us to vote on – just like they vote on the military’s. We (the tax payers) pay the taxes – we should be able to decide their salary. With that said, maybe the tax payers should be voting on more issues on Election Day. They can propose – we can vote. __ It saddens me to think that there are many elected / government officials only looking out for themselves. We pray the right thing will prevail._

  175. Ok. Lets not increase the premium. Lets increase your taxes. Your choice. Nothing is "free". Oh wait, you guys would whine about that too. I did my 28 and do not expect anything in return. No one forced me and I guess I have a better grip on reality than the typical retiree.

  176. Fellow Comrades in Arms, Active Duty and Retired, we all seem to have something to say over our medical care. There have been many changes to our military over the years. Our medical benefits have changed over the years , especially with the beginning of an all volunteer force.

    In 1965 there was a draft system that included all males 18 -26 years old. You could enlist and avoid the draft which would allow you to choose the branch of service. I checked out the Army and the Navy and both recruiters, in 1965, told me that one of the benefits of a 20 year active duty career would give me free medical care for the rest of my life in retirement at any military medical care facility in our land on a space available basis. This care would also extend to my wife. The key point I focused on was "space available basis" since it would always be Active Duty and their dependents first; rightly so. Back then there were so many military bases with hospitals or dispensaries that "space available" didn't seem to be a problem, and it was expected that the Vietnam War would end at some point and that would give more room at military medical facilities.

  177. if you take away the money spent on taking care of illegals (538.3 billion), 450,000 for life retired president, 174,000 for life house/senate members, 223,500 for life speaker of the house , 194,400 for life majority leader, the billions we give in foreign aid every year, bring back jobs to the US instead of sending them to other countries, make the feds pay for there medical instead of getting it free, make them pay Social Security instaed of taking it and drill for oil here instead of paying other countries for it, we would have the money to pay off the dept and take care of the country and keep prices down on health care. but due to greed this will never happen, we don't won't them to miss out of there country clubs, million dollar homes, over priced colleges, nice cars and be taken care of for life by the citizens of the U.S.

  178. The end of the Vietnam War brought what was called the "peace dividend" or the "cut the military and their benefits" era. There also came changes in the military retirement benefits in regard to the formula used to figure out how the government can get away with paying less for both retired pay and medical benefits. Back in those days there were several ex-military serving in congress and the senate and they remembered what promises were made. The medical benefits for the retired were never written down in our contracts but it was a benefit that every recruiter used to "help" you make a decision. When you were 18 – 26 that seemed pretty good. When you asked the recruiter where the medical benefits are in the contract they told me that was why the benefit was on a "Space Available" basis because who could guarantee what the future would bring. Our Congress, back then, tried to keep as many benefits and promises they could under the circumstances of the day.

  179. Bases were being closed and military hospitals too. During Carter's term I remember that "Champus" came into being, a civilian medical administered entity that allowed dependents to be shoved off to local civilian medical care while what was left of the military hospitals could just about cover the active duty personnel. I could never understand how that saved funding military medical care for dependents. Maybe the influx of military dependents for the local doctors provided incentive for them to accept Medi Care patients.

    Through the years the Congress has had less veterans who served on active duty or wore the uniform even as a reserve. Then the first President who never served on active duty and had questionable ROTC affiliation entered the White House and the erosion of military and retiree benefits began the "Slash and Burn" period. Through the GW Bush years the erosion slowed down a bit but the Democrat majority congresses continued their cuts.

  180. Since the present administration has taken over, 2 COLA increases were eliminated and taxes were raised on the taxable portion of my military retirement. The non-taxed disability portion is still the same and still deducted from the total pension I receive, given to the VA, and the VA sends that portion to my direct deposit account.

    Summarily, it's getting old, the debate about free medical care and promises. There was no reason back during Vietnam and earlier (Korea, WWII, etc) to doubt the promises made by a country to its military forces because of the respect from our civilians, Congress and those veterans who knew those promises were made and wanted to make sure that at least those who were carrying the wounds of war were taken care of.

  181. Iscott;
    Did you retire from active duty service after having completed 20 years? If not and you have a military service-connected disability of 60 percent, you still have access to healthcare provided by the Veterans Administration.

  182. Veterans and active duty who have joined from the '80s and onward have had so many changes to their retirement programs and medical programs it's hard to keep up with it all. No doubt you didn't receive the same unwritten promises that us older draft era veterans did. You can bet the cuts in modern benefits in regard to medical benefits and retirement programs are due to Congress demanding more benefits for those who have never served our country and maybe are even illegal immigrants.

    A little advice, when you decide to vote Nov 6, look back and see what party was in the majority in Congress when the biggest erosion of benefits for the military were written into law. Its Congress that makes the laws! Then vote according to your desires.

  183. RECOMENDATION: Instead of complaining in a blog that does nothing but a temporary release of frustrations….write, e-mail, or call your senators/representatives and tell them you want to see TRICARE premiums changed to a "Tierd Premuim based on retired pay". This will help distribute the cost savings to the government equally among all the retired personnel. An example rate of 2.5% of annual retirement pay would result in a retiree making $22,600 paying an annual premium of $565 and a retiree making $45k paying an annual premium $1125. I believe this would be much more reasonable and acceptable for the "junior ranking" retirees with lower annual retirement incomes. You have to admit…there is a VAST difference in retirment pay of that a retired O-6 vice a retired E-7!!! If you agree…push this on to your Senators/Representatives…or we will continually be subject to the "fair and equal" premium increases!!!!

  184. UltraClassicSki | October 16, 2012 at 3:40 pm |

    How do you like your Obummer care now people, aren't you glad you voted for him last election and that you took part in "history"? Its a wonderful feeling knowing that pork projects took 1st chair over our benefits; like the late Senator Robert Murtha's "airport for nobody" that received your stimulus money ($800k) in 2009 for runway widening. Nov 6th is the Hope and Change that we're all looking Forward to.

  185. Not suffering we took their land dude. I get free va healthcare for my questionable combat related health issues. Feed the lies people who hate native Americans.

    The wonderful thing about an argument is truth is never a requirement, especially if YOUR truth helps to feed the HATE. So do they still hate native Americans in Arizona or has everyone moved on to Mexicans?

  186. Lucky to be here | October 16, 2012 at 4:29 pm |

    Contracts with the government are ironclad, just ask the Indians!

  187. PMT,

    We all know that recruiters can't make promises, but keep saying it, and see where that thought gets you.

  188. pretty cheap health care…just sayin. our economy sucks because of oblamer. vote him out and it will change. in the mean time, a little over 40 bucks a month for family health care is cheap. and i understand that we signed a contract…well sometimes contracts need updating especially these ugly times. everyone has to help the cause so we and our kids and their kids have a life !

  189. Old Navy John | October 16, 2012 at 6:39 pm |

    Quite drinking the Un cool aid. Between My father, Commander USNR, my son in law Lt. Colonel F-16 jockey and me 6 years Navy, we appreciate the military a BUNCH. Mitt is NOT a war monger, he paid the taxes the GOVERNMENT deemed legal, and if you were smart you would check out the facts. (I am a financial advisor and my daughter, married to the Lt. Col) Say it is ok to follow the law and rules. Also, Lt. Col. wrote a term paper for his Masters degree regarding the fair tax concept and that is what needs to change, THE LAW. Thanks for your service, but get off the lib aid and support someone who is FOR America not the liberal socialist, do you know how to goosestep? Well, if those guys get back in you had better practice.

    Old Navy John

  190. Sorry Patsy but Gov Romney will not be the one start to our VA pension benefits to fall off, however under Pres Obama in order to support his social agenda, will be the one. You are right TRICARE costs will go thru the roof, just not thru Gov Romney but Pres Obama.

  191. my ancestors weren't even in this country – they came here and worked their butts off to help build this country to be the great nation we are today! interesting that you agree that you are cheating the non indians…… what about the blacks that indians had as slaves???? working in the IHS, i see it is flawed (no health care system is perfect) but, everything is free…… staff is told to make sure customers (patients) are catered to – let's see …. i know people who put their lives on the line & va doesn't exactly make sure they are happy customers….. aren't we the UNITED STATES???? UNITED being a key word! everyone – military, indian, every taxpayer is paying – but, aren't those who have actually suffered hardships be entitled to what they were promised at sign up – it's not a "birthright" – it was earned thru blood, sweat & tears…..and, when our kids reach a certain age, they are dropped from ANY healthcare benefits….. not so w/ indians…….

  192. Patsy Elephantlover | October 16, 2012 at 8:48 pm |

    August 30, 2012
    FACT CHECK: Romney Would Slash Veterans’ Benefits
    Mitt Romney appropriately praised veterans in his speech tonight, but has suggested the privatization of veterans’ health care, breaking the promise to our men and women in uniform. The Romney-Ryan budget – if cuts were made across the board – could cut the funding for Veterans’ Affairs by $11 billion.

    Romney’s 160 Page, 59 Point “Plan For Jobs And Economic Growth” Did Not Include A Word About Veterans. Romney’s Plan For Jobs And Economic Growth, 9/6/11]
    Romney’s 34 Page Education White Paper Did Not Include A Word About Veterans. [Romney For President, Education White Paper, 5/23/11]
    Romney’s 44 Page Foreign Policy White Paper Did Not Include A Word About Veterans. [Romney For President, Foreign Policy White Paper, 10/7/11
    Ryan’s 98-Page Summary Of His FY 2013 Budget Plan, “The Path To Prosperity,” Fails To Mention The Word “Veteran” Even Once. [House Budget FY2013, “The Path To Prosperity,” 3/20/12]

    Romney’s Suggestion Of Using A Voucher System For Veterans’ Health Care “Echoed” Portions Of His Medicare Plan. “He also briefly floated the idea of using a voucher system to help veterans get reliable and quality health care, an option that echoed portions of a Medicare plan he recently rolled out at the Americans for Prosperity Foundation’s annual summit.” [New York Times, 11/11/11]

    Krugman: Romney’s “Voucherization” Of The VA Would Leave Veterans Who Don’t Make Enough Money To Cover Health Care Costs On Top Of What The Voucher Covers Unable “To Receive Essential Care.” “Mitt Romney wants to privatize the VA. This is awesome on multiple levels. First, you know what voucherization would mean in practice: the vouchers would be inadequate, and become more so over time, so that veterans who don’t make enough money to top them up would fail to receive essential care. Patriotism!” [Krugman, New York Times, 11/12/11]

  193. for me it is too much specially for the The Texas Army National Guard who are paying for their insurance and are in low retirement check to pay the insurance when you are barely making it .. the congress needs to take in consideration that the cost of living is going up year by year the checks are staying the same …

  194. 47 per cent is a term Romney invented, not me. I don't have a job (retired, 26k a year) yet I am paying over 100,000 dollars in taxes this year only, which helps to support the government programs that support vets, and I am seriously thinking of leaving my one million to the VA when I die. I am a disabled combat vet and certainly qualify as one of those 47 per centers that Rohmney spoke of, though this year I is more a one percenter. Yes, I am going to vote for Rohmny cause he will lower my taxes, which is more valuable to me than 50 percent disability which I know I don't deserve. But unlike the whinny ones, I am very grateful for what the taxpayers have done, do for me. In fact last August while eating in a restaurant in uniform I thanked a taxpayer (who claimed to be grateful for my service) for paying her taxes which helped support me while I was in Iraq. You would think she would of said you are welcome, instead her mood changed from gratitude to a "yes I do pay a lot of taxes," which is what she said. I suspect the 100k I am paying this year was a lot more than what she was paying. But I was polite and didn't point out her rudeness.

    You are welcome I hope my 100K helps. But please clarify are you a wounded combat veteran, or one of those welfare veterans who never saw a day of combat, sucking the system dry? You see there is a difference in my eyes.

    If you are very poor you do not pay 15 dollars, so something is not adding up right, the VA does not charge the poor. I am rich and my service related issues are handled for free.

    For the record I sent 1300 dollars to the Obama Campaign in appreciation for his efforts in killing Bin Laden but I will not vote for him and said as much with the money, they still cashed the checks. Obama is not good for us rich people and you are right Romney ain't good for you poor people. Funny how stupid poor people are, though. I wilill never understand why a poor person would vote to make us richer people richer. ha ha. I wonder what the poor people are doing. ain't that a rich person phrase? I need to start learning them. Cause if Rohmney wins I think I might get my second million and not pay any taxes on it, which will be coool.

  195. to many facts, that is not good arguing. a good argument is all about the presentation, and even your facts are referenced like a schollar, stop that.

  196. THe native amarican dude is right. why do people in arizona hate the native population so. I never understood it. Is it cause you all look too close to the mexicans with the skin tone? does anyone know? Haters can you explain this for me I is curious.

  197. thomas.marise | October 17, 2012 at 10:46 am |

    Your "AWSOME OBAMA" cut the defense budget by $600 billion genious! Now when his anti american legislations take full effect I hope you wish to join that muslim in hell. Obama doesn't love soldiers, veterans, or retirees and he hasn't done anything for us. The VA budget is the same now as when Bush was in office. Learn the facts before you bash every white person you here about!

  198. Lisa Saunders | October 17, 2012 at 1:39 pm |

    thanks for the facts

  199. To ArmyRetired Choctaw. When you joined the Army did you join the Indian army or the UNITED STATES ARMY? My ancestors did not cheat yours as mine where not here then so why cheat me? Your the dummy here.

  200. Linda Brown | October 17, 2012 at 4:38 pm |

    VA hierarchy is too big. Also lots of wasteful spending. It needs reform

  201. Mavericklatino | October 17, 2012 at 5:05 pm |

    What? I lost interest in the first 5 sentences…toooooo long. But thanks, and make sure that we all vote for Mutt Ripney, now that we know we might end up getting screwed if he is elected. Because it always seems to go that way, we vote for the A-holes and they do us in, then we complain.

  202. Ooohhh such hate. Surprised you wanted to serve in the "White Man's Army".

  203. Hey Patsy…………………………..! You need to get a life and come down to reality. This is the worst administration that this nation has ever had. They have done absolutely nothing short of tearing this nation down. You might not care about that, but millions of others do. I sure as heck don't want to see this nation continue down the path to ruin. Why can't you see this administration's deceitfulness? Race relations and class envy are worse now than at any time in my 72 years. It is appearant that you have picked up the party line by the way you disparage Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. They deserve a chance to try and bring us back from the financial brink. That certainly won't happen under the present administration.

  204. All members of our House of Representatives and all members of the Senate get 100% FREE medical coverage, the very best, for themselves and for their families. This includes complete medical, dental, eyes, prescription medicine, everything at no cost to themselves. Our politicians pay no tri-care fees and pay no co-pay. And most of our politicians never wore a uniform and many of these same politicians despise our military! And, to further disgrace these politicans get complete medical service for life when serving 2 terms.

  205. Enter text right here!THEY SENT US TO WAR NOW THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF US.

  206. ColoradoBuckSlayer | October 18, 2012 at 12:19 am |

    Go drop another hit of LSD and puff on one of your big doobies until you start trippin you burnt out freak!

  207. I am retired and would like to think that all my needs are going to be taken care of by the "Government" but who is the Government? It is us, and we are spending more than we can make or borrow! Cuts are painful and difficult but we must expect to fell a little pain if we are going to survive. I believe we need to make huge reductions to all the subsidies we give and cut back on the foreign aide to countries that hate us, and reign in our entitalments. Something needs to be done to get people off the welfare lets put them to work so they don't need to be supported. There are many that do need help and can not work, but those that can should be in a program like the WPA or CCC's.

  208. A company or firm whose success is determined by sales, taxes, materials, employees costs etc.. depends on the moves that the "government" makes that could run those cost high enough where the business falters or fails under the weight of costs and regulations. Therefore an employee who works for a company whose employer states “we may not make it under these restrictions” is becoming informed that he or she may lose their job and income if certain laws and regulations take effect. His voted can be counted as an informed decision based on which candidate serves his or her best interest. The 2012 election could be the historical tipping point where the parasites overwhelm the host.

  209. Wow, looks like the Democrats have invaded this blog. I find these posts compared to the ones I have seen in the past to be very suspect and think that they have been planted by some democrat group instead of the individuals that normally post here.

  210. I guess you will believe anything the mainstream media puts out. What are your thought on unions?? Thay have been threatening and intimidating for decades and billions of dues have gone to the leftist cause. Where were you when Biden was saying "vote for us,thay want to put you back in chains"???

  211. Our ancestors cheated your ancestors out of "their land"? And who did your ancestors cheat to get the land? Remember, your ancestors are not actually native to this land. They were just here before us. Historians, scientists and archeologists can prove that the your ancestors migrated here from Asia. They traveled across the Bering Strait land bridge before it was covered in water. Ever look really close at Eskimos or, better yet, look at old photos of American Indians from the 1800's? Strange how much they resemble Asians. And since you like name calling so much (the white dummies comment) I suggest to you, Chief Bowl Movement Out Of Mouth, that maybe you should head back to the res and sell some cigarettes or casino chips.

  212. I am retired AF and I don't mind small increases in Tricare. To pay Tricare for a whole year is still cheaper than what most pay for 1-1 1/2 months for similar coverage. I think the whole military medical system needs revamping. The stateside military pharmacies, hospitals, and clinincs should be for active duty only. No active dependents, no retirees and no retiree dependents. The military's only obligation is to the active duty. Or, better yet, the military hospitals, pharmacies, and clinics should start charging a co-pay per visit for active dependents, retirees and their dependents. All active duty have Tricare for their dependents. In fact, the active dependents should have to pay a Tricare enrollment fee (maybe a smaller amount) like retirees pay. I live near St. Louis and it amazes me that a retiree will travel all the way to Scott AFB and wait several hours for a medication to be filled for free rather than go somewhere closer and pay the small co-pay for the medication. Most of the time, the co-pay is less than the amount of gas they use to get that free medication.

  213. We have no right to vote in a Federal Election. we vote for reps in a electory
    colledge and there is no reason not to have a photo id. You have to show
    a photo id for just about every you do today. You have a right to
    vote so should you not protect that right by have a photo it?

  214. CSM(R) Robinson | October 18, 2012 at 11:52 am |

    The whole concept of Tri-Care is a contradiction to the contract I signed with the US Government that essentially stated If I gave the US Army 20+ yrs of my life to protect and defend this country, they would take care of my medical and dental needs for the rest of my life. When I re-enlisted the first time, TRI CARE did not exist, nor did the notion of paying for health care post retirment. I find TRI CARE offensive to retirees and feel the US Government ought to honor its comittment to our fighting, serving men and women

  215. Patsy Elephantlover | October 18, 2012 at 7:50 pm |

    Ann Romney Thinks a Mormon Mission is the Same as Serving in the Military

    Now just how do you veterans think about this? Pisses me off!

  216. An old Soldier | October 19, 2012 at 6:36 am |

    The man you are promoting, Barak Obama, a sitting president, ordered the execution of an American Citizen. You can sit here and talk about the constitution all day long, but you cannot get around the fact that he sees fit, not to defend it, but to hide behind it, and pick and choose. I don't care who you like, and if you thnk the ends justify the means, then vote for him again. But when you are pulling that lever, pushnig that button, maybe you should just ask yourself, will he defend the constitution. You talk about Romney's sons not serving, as if some kind of experience is now required, and Obama's grandfather somehow gives him credibilty. Obama has as little respect for the military as any President I have ever seen. We have a choice in Nov. Keep going down the road we are, or change direction. The choice should be clear. Mitt Romney is the hope and change we need. Much better than what we have now is not the enemy of perfect.

  217. It's "okay" for the DOL to tell contractors on, July 30, 2012, don't worry about the "WARN ACT" (1988 – Clinton Admin) don't tell those folks they may lose their jobs after January 2, 2013, if the President orders sequestration. Is it constitutional to ignore a law. The law is simple, if you have 100 or more employees and you forsee a cut in the work force you are REQUIRED to notify the employees 60 days prior to the cuts. I too raised my hand a long time ago to protect and defend The Constitution, many of these potential people who will lose their jobs, protect and defend too, they are military contractors who keep the current memebers of the armed forces safe. And given the condition and "State of the Union" (one party or the other will be scorned after the election) do you really think they will pull it together and avoid sequestration? The constitution is about truth and it is suposed to ensure people, politicians and our government tell the truth!

  218. maybe we should stop voting these politicians in office if they won't work for the people,0r maybe we should vote them out of office,its always either the republicans or democrats they hold each other at a stand still to get their way if you vote for this we will vote for that.Of course they will vote for what is better for them not anyone else.Health care, food, gas ect seems like no matter what even in this economy our senators or Governors, ect all raise taxes no matter what utilities rise their rates but we will always make the same because the public will always be kept at bay not making to much but not making enough everything will go up for all ex military all retired military to include myself I salute you the word FREE is no longer and never was and never will be FREE their is always an attachment to that. We can no longer believe anyone anymore lets vote for the poor guy in office instead of these millionaires they work for themselves not us we are the ones working for them.

  219. Just a thought | October 19, 2012 at 6:21 pm |

    It wasn't your ancestors land to give. Native American history states that your ancestors believed the land belonged to all peoples. They sold and gave away land that by there own admission didn't belong to them. Every American is shackled by the few and it is the few that continue to fuel this class war. If all Americans realized that a few power crazy politicians and businessmen control everything and do whatever they can to keep race wars going, we could get rid of them and start the recovery. Unfortunatly the current whoa is me, I get mine first mentallity is never going to get us to where we want to be. Your opening comment is a prime example of the problem with this country. No one owes you anything, but what you have earned yourself. What YOU get out of your life is what YOU make of it and anything else is just lazy greed. Embrace your fellow Americans, learn who the real enemy is and work to defeat them, otherwise nothing will ever change.

  220. No but close though, I get 0 for hemorrhoids and 10 percent for high blood pressure, and I am being forced to get another 40 percent for diabetes which causing me to be medically discharged.

    I served in the Army 18 months in Germany as a TAMMS/PLL clerk got fired for bringing attention to the common practice of dispaching unsafe vehicles, moved around while they tried to put me in jail, slander I was told, unfortunately it turned out everything I pointed out was true.

    Went to Al Assad Iraq for 10 months in 2004, was the class 4 forklift driver, mostly moved plastic latrines around and moved some Iraqi munitions. Just did my job in the heat and no my vehicle did not have operational AC.

    Please understand that recently I became a millionaire which is why I will vote for Rohmney, he wants to lower my taxes. I certainly don't know how that makes him a dictator? Maybe you think I am going to vote for Obama? No I believe he was a good president. I really like the killing of Bin Laden thing, I reaaly didn't like bin Laden. You see obamacare has a 4 percent extra tax on dividend earnings which Rohney promises to repeal and that helps me become richer. i really don't understand how either of these men could be called a dictator. Maybe you don't like Guantanamo prison and you are mad at Obama for not closing it? But then you sound like you might be conservative. Sounds like you are confused. You sure are confussing me.

  221. Patsy Elephantlover,

    Surely you don't think anyone talking about the 47%'ers are referring to military retirees, those on Social Security, etc. In my book, when I talk about them, I am talking about those that don't pay taxes, and those that don't pay taxes I see them taxes as federal income taxes.

  222. Retired and Disabled | October 20, 2012 at 9:49 pm |

    The income tax Romney paid was on dividends. He does have traditional income. So he falls into that category. It has nothing to do with off-shore accounts. If Obama was so great then why is he still trying to sell everyone the same house he tried to sell last election. All he did was put a few more promises on the doorstep. Oh, I am a 20 year retiree and I am over 80% disabled. I deployed in 2001, 2002, and 2003. So I have seen first hand what all of this has done during the last two presidents. I have lost many friends but I'll be damned watch the Country I defended and my friends that gave their lives for be turned into a communistic country!!! If nothing else, you have nothing else to lose by going with Romney. If it doesn't work out then vote for Obama in 2016…

  223. here's the skinny | October 21, 2012 at 12:26 am |

    Reading these posts make me chuckle….You all need th give a BIG THANK YOU to our Lovely Prisoner of War Senator McCain for pushing these increases on our Healthcare Premiums!!! Obviously he has forgotten about the Veteran and he doesn't have to worry about Healthcare with the money he will be collecting the rest of his life for being a Senator!!!

  224. All of you posting may want to read the article again. Then you may want to read the ACA (Obamacare). When Obamacare is fully implemented the VA as you know it will no longer exist. The VA Hospital will be turned into a local government supported Obamacare Hospital (think of Canada or the UK.) The next phase will be the elimination of TRICARE for retirees. TRICARE for retirees in the gray area (retired but not on Medicare) will just get the "Government Option" of Obamacare. The next phase will eliminate Tricare for Life no more retire TRICARE benefits all you get is Obamacare. The TriCare web pages deny these facts, however it is inevitable that the this will happen as they can not run two system doing the same thing. One card one service, one pile of S**T.

  225. You may want to read the ACA (Obamacare) When he is through VA benefits disappear and get moved into Obamacare. The VA Hospital will become an Obamacare Hospital. The same is going to happen to TRICARE. No more retire TRICARE benifits all you get is Obamacare. Period. If you want to know what Obamacare will be like talk to neighbors that have Medicaid, NOT Medicare, as eventually the same will happen to Medicare. No longer will TRICARE pay what Medicare does not, YOU will be left holding the bill – unless you have an employer that gave you a health care benefit when you retired from that job. And those will be few and far between.

  226. every day there are more threats and promises Obama does not care about the working man only the people that want free handouts, look at all the beggars on the street corners all wanting our money. They give you the puppy dog look. Democrats are the losers vote republican long live the USA. Retired military paratrooper…..

  227. Sounds like someone has been drinking the Victimcrat(democrat cool aid for too long. Obama was the one that lumped veterans in with the 47% that are riding the system. Please ask the Democrats if it's allright for you to take a day off the Victimcrat Plantation and make sure you pray to your Obama idol before you go to bed everynight. Romney told the truth about 47% Democrats assigned the groups to the 47%. WAKE UP Under Obama I guess we'll all be workin for poor people. Betch that won't work either

  228. I'm willing to pay more for Tricare. I'll do whatever it takes so our elected officials can pay less or anything. They deserve so much more than veterans. I just wish they'd ask me to do more for them.

  229. The above is what they are really saying to themselves. I want to know, why isn't there a 10 million person march to stop this craziness. I believe in paying my fair share, but our elected officials must also. To include their pension.

  230. Pitiful that retirees cannot rely on what we were told when we made 20-30 yrs. careers so we could use the benefits as promised. However, our nation is bankrupt and few folks seem to care. More taxes (revenues) may be necessary, BUT the politicians cannot stop idiotic spending. We all know about the wasted taxpayers money. The insanity of it all! 47-50% of the takers want more by not working for it!?? A welfare state will not survive. Class warfare is insane = socialism. Has not worked & will never work. Remember the USSR anybody?

  231. Why has Military .com not printed a retraction to this article.
    It is completely wrong and has no basis in fact

    The releases about the increase in Tricare premiums (including this one) are false. It is like the Obama cut combat pay or slighted Israel stories, they just never happened anyplace but the tea party traitor’s mind.


    And The only change to Tricare is that certain procedures are no covered without any co-pays (mostly preventative women’s procedures) and the premium is going down.

    Why is the truth such a casualty with the Chicken little crowd?

    Here is the response the head of Tricare on the west coast gave when asked about it.
    Currently, we are not aware of any increases. The monthly enrollment fee cost for 2013 is less than previous years. Please see the comparable costs below. Please visit for TRICARE program changes. You may also contact TriWest Healthcare Alliance at 1-888-874-9378. TriWest is the government contractor who administers the TRICARE program for the West region.
    – prime $201
    – standard $176
    – prime $176
    – standard $152
    Best Regards,
    D. Annette McGinty
    TRICARE Regional Office – West

  232. SO even though this was proven false early last year and is confirmed as a fabrication by the 2013 Tricare rates. the Tea party Traitors still pass it off as if TRUE

    Just because Benedict Allen West said it usually means it is false.

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