New VRAP GI Bill for Unemployed Vets

The following is an update to the previous blog post on the new VRAP  GI Bill “retraining” benefit:

 The new program, now known as Veterans Retraining Assistance Program (VRAP), will offer up to 12 months of Montgomery GI Bill benefits for older unemployed veterans. The program is part of the VOW to Hire Heroes Act which also includes tax breaks for companies that hire veterans.

That means that pre-9/11 veterans who often feel left out, may soon qualify for as much as $17,600 ($1473 a month) for education and training. Here’s what you should know about the new VRAP:

  • This benefit can be used to earn an associate degree, non-college degree, or certification, and training for a high demand occupation.
  • According to the VA, the program will begin July 1, 2012.
  • This new benefit will be limited to 45K vets in FY2012 and 54K for FY 2013 through March 31, 2014.
  • Once participating veterans have completed the VRAP education program, the Dept. of Labor will provide employment assistance.
  • To be eligible for the VRAP GI Bill Veterans must:
    • Be at least 35 but no more than 60 years old.
    • Be unemployed (as determined by DoL).
    • Not have a dishonorable discharge.
    • Not be eligible for any other VA education benefit program.
    • Not be drawing VA compensation due to unemployability.
    • Not be enrolled in a federal or state job training program.

Stay tuned for more details as VA releases them.

About the Author

Terry Howell
Before becoming the Managing Editor for Military.com, Terry served 20 years in the U.S. Coast Guard as an Aviation Electrician’s Mate and aircrewman. In his final role in the Coast Guard, Terry served as a Career Development Advisor, where he provided career, finance, education, and benefits counseling to servicemembers and their families. Since retiring from the Coast Guard, Terry has authored the book, The Military Advantage, managed the content for TurboTap, the DoD's online transition program and VAforVets, the VA's transition assistance website. Terry earned both his Bachelor's and MBA at Corban University using Military Tuition Assistance and his GI Bill benefits to help cover the cost.

299 Comments on "New VRAP GI Bill for Unemployed Vets"

  1. Joseph Diggs Sr | March 20, 2012 at 9:21 pm |

    Can a Veteran who have a Discharge (OTH) Other than Honorabe be elgible for this Program? Also if this Veteran is recieving (SDI) Social Security Disability From the state Qualify for this Program? lastly how does he apply?

  2. I am going to be 64 in April and have not been able to find a job in over 3 years? I am to damn old to retrain. I am over 70 percent disabled from Desert Storm. What about me and guys like me?

  3. stephen titus | March 21, 2012 at 2:19 pm |

    I am a vet that was in service during 82-1992. I believe that I would qualify for this
    benefit. I am not receiving any income and would like to know if there are any programs that would allow for me to receive sustenance while possible attending school. I was also diagnosed with spina bifida oculta by the VA. I am speaking about the VRA to begin in July. Please feel free to contact me with any valuable information.
    Titus
    Stephen_titus11@yahoo.com

  4. Andrew Kiser | March 21, 2012 at 6:26 pm |

    I am a vet from 82-86 Active and 86-88 Reserves. Do I qualify for any education benefits? I am currently employed by the State of Massachusetts EOEEA ITO

    Andrew Kiser

  5. Have Been Unemployed 2 years now. I am 66. Physically able to work. Is there any help for my situation? Thanks

  6. Hello, I am a MSG in the Reserves and I am 46 1/2 yrs old. I have been unemployed since May 2010; I am an active Reservist; Was honorable discharged from overseas tour in Oct 2007 and I do have the 9-11 GI Bill (17mths remaining) – Am I eligible for this program OR who can I call to discuss

  7. Dennis Eriksen | March 23, 2012 at 5:13 pm |

    I am 60 years old now. Is the over 60 calculated at time bill became law, time of application to VRAP program, or when training begins?

  8. No you are not elgible from Fed side but check to see if hie/her state has a soruce.

  9. Bill Chapen | March 26, 2012 at 9:23 pm |

    I am a vet was in service from 1982 thru 1985 please help me with some income assistance programs

  10. I want to get started with the paperwork. I'm 46 and was enlisted from 1988-1991. I never got to use my GI bill and now it is expired. I won't let this opportunity go by trust me.

  11. What about those of us who retired after 20+ years but they hadn't decided on all the rules of transferring it to your child before we retired? If we knew they were going to make it you had to transfer the rights before you retired we would have….. So now two kids in college and we are paying 100% of it??

  12. Does anyone realize that due to our greed-raped economy there are countless Veterans over age 60+ that are unemployed requiring retraining because they subjected to wage and age descrimination?

  13. Mike Kushner | March 26, 2012 at 9:40 pm |

    I'am 59 years old and honorably discharged from the Navy after 21 years. 1971-1992. I did use the GI bill. I just got layed off after working for Winn-Dixie for 19 years and 10 months. Can I qualify?

  14. Sure wish they would take care of us forgotten Vietnam Era Veterans a little better.
    Shoot, I'm 60, and could use the training. I'm under employed, and could be better employed with a degree.
    The GI bill we got was pitiful, I couldn't even think of going back to college after the being discharged. I would have received 140/mo, and that had to cover all my expenses.

  15. Vietnam vets screwed again.

  16. Vietnam vets screwed again

  17. Michael Shea | March 26, 2012 at 9:54 pm |

    I can't believe that their not going to allow vets over 60 to get help…we are the ones that need it most…..I guess us Vietnan vets are cannon fodder….Screwed again….Shame on you VA……I was SOOOO happy when I read the come on …untill I saw "Offer not Available in some areas…..Not available to all vets that need it….Hummmm….It said "Liberty and justice for all"….Guess NOT!

  18. HC 1 Uss Coral Sea | March 26, 2012 at 9:56 pm |

    Looks like the Viet Nam vets get one in the ear….again ! Most are just past the 60 mark. I sincerly hope the rest of you younger vets can take advantage of this.

  19. I am an unemployed disabled veteran and I have already used the Mongomery GI Bill to get college degrees in Physics and History with a Masters in Military History. Can I use VRAP to work on my PhD?

  20. J.E.Bowie Sr. | March 26, 2012 at 10:06 pm |

    I just want to see the program work for me, and have information sent to me,so I can get started.

  21. I MEET THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. HOW DO I APPLY??????

  22. captian Keith | March 26, 2012 at 10:07 pm |

    sounds good till u read between the lines,,i went in in 71,,low draft number,,proud to serve but going to be 60..o well this time screwd..what a joke ..once a vet always a vet,,but i guess not ,,sounds as if ends at 60

  23. nam vet 1969– 1974 just turned 61 this month havent had a job since 08

    F____d aaaaagainnnnn by our government, damn sure could have used some

    of that cash for bills and gas

  24. Doug, LTC (Ret) | March 26, 2012 at 10:12 pm |

    While the Bill is appropriate for its intended beneficiaries, it does nothing for the "over 60" crowd like me that fought in Vietnam. Shame on Congress and President Obama for this discrimination. We want to work, have to work, and have skills, that with some honing can benefit today's employers. To our elected officials: Fix this oversight, please!

  25. nam vet 1969– 1974 just turned 61 this month havent had a job since 08

    F____d aaaaagainnnnn by our government, damn sure could have used some

    of that cash for bills and gas

  26. I have beem told I didn’t qualify for educational benefits because I had exhausted all my educational benefits with usage & time… being that the time has passed the 10years you had to use it…do I qualify for this program? I am currently on unemployment due to being laid off my federal job

  27. Wondering where to go for an application and who will be in charge of the program. I served from 1977-1997 and due to all the changes in the programs got no school benefits at all. (52 years old). Thanks

  28. Figures…still left out for VA benefits. I’m glad I served for 16 years. Maybe I should quit my job so I can finally get VA college benefits. I’ve only spent 150k on school.

  29. Where do you sign up for this benefit?

  30. Isn't discrimination by age illegal? Do we smell a Class Action Litigation here? While I understand the program is new, and may be underfunded, it should be open to all pre 9/11 Vets regardless of age… We volunteered to serve (OK, some were drafted), and many of us were confronted with a less than grateful population when we returned.

    I'm glad that some will benefit from this, but what happened to All for One & One for All?

  31. This could not have come at a better time, to be able to finish my degree and not have to worry about working a job, just to barely pay the bills and make less than what this will be each month, thank you God and Congress. ***I ONLY PRAY I AM ONE OF THE 54K.***

  32. screwed again but then guess could'nt exspect any more from the va and the government we all answered the call to serve and served faithfully they are really good at sticking the knife in and twisting it to help viet nam vet thanks

  33. Another Nam Vet 1969– 1973 just turned 61 in 2011 and I havent had a job since 09. Once again welcome home Viet Nam Vets. What was the purpose of the 60 year old age limit other than eliminate an entire body of war veterans.

  34. How about some assistance for all who got screwed for serving between 77-85, I was unable to pay into VEAP and support a child. I am employed but need education to keep the job. Im back in school and could use some assistance. I am 54 and paying for college that I cant afford, just to keep my job, I served for 8 yrs active and got out because I needed more money that the military was paying me at the time. Im sure there are more of us out there who could use some help.

  35. Rats! So close (I'm 32). I always seem to JUST miss out on veteran benefits. A week after I finished active duty, I got into an accident and am now paralyzed (five days before 9/11)! That makes me 0% disabled! Woohoo!
    As for work/education… I'm starting my own business. Not only do I get to be my own master, I also don't have to use a tax incentive to try and convince some employer to hire me. Hopefully, those that actually are able to USE this benefit won't start classes only to find themselves in a pinch if things get mired in paperwork and legislation.

  36. I'm a 63 year old Army Vietnam Veteran & have been out of work over 2 years.
    When I was younger was albe to use my GI Bill for college Associate degree.
    Now I see this article about the new training bill only is for 35 to 60 year olds.
    I could be wrong in my old guy way thinking, but that appears like the D-word.
    Would anyone care to address that, or do you have to be "politically correct"?
    I would appreciate anybody's new comments about this particular situation.

  37. How about a "Sorry you got screwed VEAP" GI Bill to compensate for all who joined between 77-85

  38. So where do you go for this? Where do you apply?

  39. Josh Cantrell | March 26, 2012 at 10:40 pm |

    While the intentions of this program are awesome and amazing, the fact that it excludes entire classes of those who have served by age makes this program another example of the failure in our Government and VA. It's up to us a vets to stick together and do whatever we can to unite and make sure ALL vets are treated with equality and never excluded from any program because of age or length of service.

  40. Aaron Edison | March 26, 2012 at 10:48 pm |

    Waht is meant by 45K and 54K vet?

  41. Well it looks like I missed out also because of my age I am 61. I served in the U.S. Army from 1971 to 1984. I have been looking for a Job since August 2011 because the Company I worked at for almost 24 years decided to save tons of money and outsource our HR Office to INDIA! HR jobs are very hard to find here in Jacksonville, FL.

  42. Steve Dickheiser | March 26, 2012 at 10:54 pm |

    I was in during the Vietnam war, 1966 through 1970. I guess if the government wants to forget "that police actiom (and where were the police?) what better ways then to forget the service people of that "Oh, what war was that?".

  43. OldHeroOf USA | March 26, 2012 at 10:58 pm |

    Have to admit I was excited – at first – then read the older than 60- you are screwed tag line. Guess they feel no ROI on us or Obama at it again! This VNV is NOT happy about how I have been treated.

  44. George Brosnan | March 26, 2012 at 11:01 pm |

    Most of the comments I read are just like mine. Nam Vet, 67-69, 1st Inf Div., age 65, unemployed since 2009, BUT CAN'T USE THIS BENEFIT DUE TO AGE RESTRICTION. Why is that? Are we too close to "retiring" More likely too close to dying off from all the disabilities many of us have. Go figure.

  45. Well this might be good news for me. I was in the Marine Corps from 1980 to 1984. I wonder if I would qualify. I am 50 years old.

  46. The government has another Politically Correct program that doesn't help a lot of us. Congress doesn't represent the average person anymore. I'm over 60 and got laid off 2 years ago. I'm "overqualified" and "over-experienced." I've applied for over 25 federal jobs and my veterans status didn't do squat.

  47. k pasquinucci | March 26, 2012 at 11:20 pm |

    I was in the navy active from 1966 to 68 and did not go overseas. I was on a reserve training destroyer stateside. I was ready to go over but never made it. So anyway Ican't get anything for my service. I guess "I didn't count". Anyway hope you vets that were in country can get this benny. Iguess they just want us to just go away and forget vietnam happened. were still "baby killers in their minds

    iguess

  48. I'm currently 68. I recently returned from Iraq. I ran re-supply convoys between base camps for about 2 years. I'm handy,. I'm trainable. I would think that some additional language and intel trainning would be worthwhile. 60 seems arbitraury.

  49. Monty Trimble | March 26, 2012 at 11:26 pm |

    When this was first announced, it was suppossed to help those of us on Chapter 31 to extend our benefits for one additional year. The article above now says that you can't be leigible for any other VA program. Sounds like the Government speaking out of both sides of their mouth again. Been unemployed since Sept 2009 and trying to complete a degree, but there aren't many companies hiring 51 year old newly graduated engineers.

  50. I am a AF vet having served '72-'76 and yes, I agree Vietnam vets have been screwed royally. With education, jobs and other areas. After getting out I applied to nursing school only to be told by the Director that she had no use for women who served in the military. As she described us as "trash and no better than a hooker." Needless to say, I did not go to nursing school there. I am without a job presently because I'm "too old " to crosstrain. How unfair.

  51. Does anyone know if you have used VA edu benefits before, will that exclude you from this? I'm 48, and served from 81-85.

  52. Just turned 60 the first of the year . Semper Fi

  53. look the government is like the guy who spends more time trying to get out of work when it would take half the time and effort to do the right thing ???? think about it??? :)

  54. WISCONSIN TUITION WAIVER

    If you lived in Wisconsin when you joined ACTIVE DUTY, you get FREE TUITION at WI State Universities & Tech Schools.

    Graduate degrees included!!

    Doesn’t matter how old you are.

    Doesn’t matter if you have or have used other gub’ment education bennies.

    I got a FREE Master’s Degree in Social Work that way, and now I have a job SERVING VETERANS!

  55. lets see how they hide that !!! am pissed :)

  56. they alterd my post and said i dont , went back and couldnt find it. PTSD made a comment and couldnt find it :) its time to rally whoooa !!!!!!

  57. Tom Willard | March 27, 2012 at 12:14 am |

    Even if the 65 and over gang ( Nam 65 to 68) are into working yet, because the medical bill are killing us,,,,,, when the employer sees the gray hair coming through the door, THEY don't Dis us but their Insurance providers will, off the record of course, tell them, " he's not having am heart attack on the property and suing us" and so we're not hire. Subsequently, we need training for a job where heart attacks are less of a concern not an occupational hazard.

  58. I am 66, haven't worked in two years have a JD degree and can't find a job as a floor sweeper. Don't get old, don't work for yourself ( no unemployment) and don't put your money in the stockmarket. 14 years of active and reserve (69-83) and it doesn't mean a thing,

  59. by the time it filterd down after my investigation the majority went to top dogs in none profit orginizations , such as CEOS who run ghetto orginizations they will put u to work for minimull money and even put u up in aghetto neighborhood :)

  60. Why can certain people (including some illegal immigrants) who never served can get educational assistance from the state or US government, but some of us who served OUR COUNTRY cant get any. Please someone enlighten me. We should be first in line

  61. those who pretend to be not even direct vet orgs salvation army and others who petitioned for the money just like them. same types i had them all for each state but i lost the paper work lost in my divorce. i will try and find it u will be appauled.

  62. I'll be 60 this year..I used all of my GI Bill many yrs ago..got a BA and MA. Perhaps the 60 yr cut off is due to more folks that are 60 and above joined before the VEAP program. The GI Bill previous to the VEAP program was a much better deal. I am newly laid off and I'm trying to use the state unemployment education benefits to go in another work direction. (burnt out from human service work) There are other ways to supplement school costs if one is unemployed. The GI bill did not cover my previous education. I still had to get school loans which I spent 10 years paying off.

  63. Jude Furth | March 27, 2012 at 1:13 am |

    So what did you do with the 4 years of free GI Bill money you got when you got home from VietNam. I used mine for what sounded like a good idea at the time (computer programming -pre PC's. Just because we are all unemployed at the moment doesn't mean we were shat upon, or that we deserve more. All the younger vets who are getting the GI bill now had to pay into it, we didn't, so I really don't think we are owed anything more than we already got. Anyway, I don't really think that 12 months of education is really going to help me get a job, what am I going to train for — I've got 25 years experience as an adminstrative assistant, and 12 months more education isn't going to improve my chances of getting a job.

  64. Unbelieveable how the government just picks and chooses people it wants to help and programs it wants to provide. A veteran is a veteran. We served our country, a good many in the throes of war. Then the government discriminates by choosing veterans of one era over another. Are we all equally veterans or not?

  65. Farris Eden | March 27, 2012 at 1:49 am |

    This is awesome I have wanted to finish my degree for a long time and this could be my chance thank you VA we are being taken care of for sure.

  66. Somehow I and many others got screwed in boot camp. When I go to my unit they said you could not sign up for the GI BILL, you should have already done that. Stupid Ass DI's. Everybody played stupid and said what a tragedy, Oh well. Needless to say my last years were as a super shit bird discipline problem. Up until now My entire Active Duty and Reserve time was just a freaking joke. Better late than never, I guess.

  67. 33 Years, military service, retired, desperately need employment, but 60 plus therefore not eligible. With a just a bit more education, I would be employed by any number of employers.

    The Social Security age has gone up, folks over 60 are no longer retiring at 62 0r 65. The last I knew we had some 1,000 military over 60 on active duty, many deployed to combat areas.

    This is wrong, just wrong, this is just part of it——— I have gone on several bases lately, cannot use the galley/mess-hall/dining facility, the clubs are closed—–there is no place for the retiree to even get a cup of coffee for less than $1.50 Welcome to the dark side of retirement and being 60 Plus—–Oh, one more thing, civilian contractors have head of the line health privileges at USN base medial clinics, their records are kept on file by USN personnel.

    For retirees-head of the line, not to worry———there is no line

  68. Nam Vet and damn proud of it, but — 65 yrs old, Masters degree, can't even get an interview let alone a job, have stopped checking the box "Viet Nam Era Veteran" on employment applications because that means automatic discrimination. Now our government has decided ONCE AGAIN that Nam vets are just trash and excluded them from another program. Well VA and US Government, you can take my two Bronze Stars and two Purple Hearts and stick them where the sun don't shine. Bastards.

  69. Republicans and Democrats gave billions to the banks, yet they won't protect jobs from going overseas. How can more education help with all the jobs leaving this country. I was one of the lucky ones with 30 years in the reserves and 41,2 years with General Motors. I am sixty five yet how long before the special interest groups gets rid of Medicare and Obama Care. I have two sons whose degrees in education and history has provided them low paying jobs with no benefits. Thank god they are both single.

  70. Because I served over 28 years, and am now over 60, I find myself ineligible for yet another program. Do the czars in Washington stay up nights to insure this? Thank you so much AGAIN!

  71. I hope I can qualify for this. I served, I paid for the GI BIll but lost it because I got out early because a base closed. Downsizing. I was never reimbursed for what I paid in. I am now a single mom of three and this would be a huge help. You see, after I got out, I was a stay at home mom for 14 years because my hubby was deployed 7-9 months a year. So, having no job "experience" I get put on the back burner. This would be a blessing to not only me, but my childdren as well.

  72. I thank you 60+ warriors for your comments. I am 68, have been unemployed for 2.5 years but have a fairly decent retirement income. AND that is still not enough. I have a JD degree and membership in a state bar association, but was never in private practice. I also have a 20-30% VA disability for hearing +, but can't qualify for any current programs, except VA home loan; and can't get that because of damage to my credit. there is a law against age discrimination on the books, but it has lost its teeth. All I can say is, "keep the faith baby, the best is yet to come."

  73. Ralph Moerschbacher | March 27, 2012 at 6:34 am |

    Vietnam Veterans once again are left out. Maybe its time we march on Congress to be treated fairly. I am 62 and will match my skills with any young person. Apathy is a disease. We can make a difference if we tell the "leaders" and I use the term loosely that they are on notice to put America and those who have served first regardless of age. Ralph E. Moerschbacher Jr., Captain, USAF Retired Vietnam Veteran Enlisted Radio Operator

  74. 63, unemployed (2 1/2 years), could really use this program, but once again Viet Nam vets get screwed again. Good thing I'm stil in anger management with my PTSD counsler.

  75. Once again, Vietnam Veterans over age 60 are left out by the government in the new GI Bill for persons 35-60. We need to start over in electing a government who is truly for the people. If you haven't served, you should not be allowed to run for office on any level. You are in for yourself not the good of the country. Someone sat up all night and thought this new GI Bill program and came up with a way to exclude Vietnam Veterans 60 and over. Apathy will kill this country. Vietnam Veterans be heard. Ralph Moerschbacher, Captain, USAF Retired Vietnam Veterans

  76. Janie Hill | March 27, 2012 at 7:11 am |

    How do you apply for this program

  77. AF Vet SE Asia | March 27, 2012 at 7:34 am |

    I'll be 62 this April. Yes, indeed, we have been screwed again. Why pass age discrimination laws only to ignore them?

  78. The system does it again. Proably payed a good some for the experts to implement this one up. They plainly have an agenda,not for the best interest of the vet. Evan the Vets who do Qualify, probably many of them will be so frustrated trying to get it they'll quit. In plain English the Vets of this land need to come together as one and boot the bums out. Vets only really have shown by past example the love of country. So help veterans only, and the future of America will be secure, as proven by are hard work and and past suffering. Together We stand divided we fall. Vets for Veterans.

  79. I was in the USAF from May 1974-to July 1978. Did not pay into the Montgomery GI Bill……It hadn't been established yet. Used a few classes worth of GI Bill….very little. Gee, would I qualify?

  80. Jack/1st Sgt/ USAF- | March 27, 2012 at 7:43 am |

    The Vietnam Vets need to be included. There is very little difference between being shot at in a desert village and a rice paddy. When we came home we were told to refrain from wearing our uniforms in public terminals.

    I wore mine anyway.

  81. I am guessing that the VA doesn't want to "waste" money on veterans who they think will be retiring within next 5 or 6 years or on people they think won't be hired due to age even if they complete training or a degree. I can kind of understand this, but I don't qualify any way because I have a job, although it's low-paying. I am also 60, so I am just on the cusp anyway.

  82. i was forced to retire because of no jobs now im 63 a nam vet also and i want to work im bored iwas great at what i did and can teach othersi need the bill its not fear to us older vets

  83. yvonne m. brown | March 27, 2012 at 8:25 am |

    I'am also wondering how to apply for this program I'am 55yrs old to young to retire. would like to know. how to apply . even though the ed assistant at Va questioned. why I'd like to give up my ssd to go back to work. lot of nerve huh! because I'am a active person despite disability, ans age.

  84. Glenn Carpenter | March 27, 2012 at 8:31 am |

    Lets keep this going guy's. Nam Vet,s don't break fire on this till we are heard.

  85. troy killgore | March 27, 2012 at 8:35 am |

    I served in in the u.s.m.c.from 1966 t0 1969. i was down sized from my co. in jan. 2011. im not ready to spend the last part of my life in front of a t.v., and going to church on sunday. i would like very much to do something useful! besouse my jobs did not include working with computers, the last job i had, i was treared like a second class employee. evan though i was the only military veteran working for the co. lance cpl. troy killgore u.s.m.c.

  86. I too am a Viet Nam Vet & it seems that everything "our" government passes to "help: excludes us just like they have done for the past years! I am a 63 yr old female who is also too young retire because I want to be active. What is wrong with our country that they are so willing to forget about us & what we did for our country when we were called to duty just as everyone else!!!! We didn't start that war, we just did our duty! I hope that someone in our "leadership" will take a stand for us, but how do we get that to happen?

  87. Ok, let's do this then. To all of this Vietnam Vets, what is one more year of education going to get you? Read the post, we have MBA's, JD's, Associate's, and they are all saying the same thing, I am out of work. To the Vietnam Vets that are crying about this benefit, how much college do you have, how close are you to getting that degree, and will one more year really make a difference? I agree you got the short end of the stick, but how many forums do you need to continue to complain about how you have been done wrong? I am a Gulf War vet, came back home, worked 0500 to 1700 at a hospital, went to school at night carried 16 credit hours of night classes, for an associates degree in financial accounting. I don't use any of that, instead I work in a state office as a DVOP helping disabled Veterans and Veterans with barriers to employment. Yes education will help some, but not all. Get off your @ss stop saying I am a victim, and stop looking for ways why something doesn't work, make it work, take ownership of your own life and stop depending on someone to hand you something.

  88. I'm a vet 73 yrs old and am young for my age and it would be nice if this new program would go as far back as necessary so that all vets wanting to retrain could no matter how long ago they served.

    navyswift

  89. Ditto… I'm 62 but feel that I have a long way to go before being able to afford to retire or wanting to. USAF 1969 – 1976. Did not serve in Vietnam but still an era veteran.

  90. Production Mngr | March 27, 2012 at 9:23 am |

    Gotta love it…am an unemployed vet with a great track record in my profession. I can't even get a "nibble". I've wondered about my experience telling my age, over 60, and am I being left out because of it. Hey look…this program leaves out those of us over 60 also… Go figure!!!

  91. GreensboroVet | March 27, 2012 at 9:28 am |

    I agree with most statements here. It is a good idea, but it does not got far enough. It should also cover those past 65 and are stil able to work outside the home and cover those who wold like to work from home/home business.

  92. I got the education, but the employers find out how old you are and the idea of being hired goes out the window…Well I attleast have social security to live on, if you can call that income..they tax you and remove medicare..so you end up with very little.
    I have always felt that veterans should have got tax relief and strong benifits that lasted all your life instead of a limited time.

  93. Listen. I'm a Vietnam vet also – age 60, so maybe I could just sneal under the wire for this. The Army "gave" me an unaccredited BSEE before they shipped me to fairyland. Since I've been a civilian, I've been at the forefront of the computer industry, worked my tail off, legitimately developed several significant advances in the industry, and have never been at a loss for a job – until now, that is. Now, I can't even get an interview. Is it my skills? Hardly. So it's my age, plain and simple.

    My point is, this may be a wonderful benefit, coming out of the blue. But its not going to get anyone a job. If you can get into the program – great. Study something that will let you create your own opportunities and future, because – like everyone else is saying – just another degree won't get you anywhere.

  94. Al Barnett | March 27, 2012 at 9:48 am |

    I am a Viet Nam era Veteran, and I make no excuses, however isn't it illegal to discriminate against us because of our age? Most of us that served during that era, are over 50. Are you telling us now that we are to old to be retrained? All you young wipersnappers that never spend a day in the Military are now making decision for us? How are we to provide for our families if we don't get the training we worked very hard for. Like the brother stated before, we Vet's need to stand up for each other and vote the BUMBS out. They know what they are doing in illegal, but no one is standing up against them, so they will get away with it. We as Vet's are not begging you for a handout, but instead to assist us to be able to do better for ourselves.

  95. Wow, they come our for another program I will not be eligible for. The program stars in July and I turn 60 in May. I am a Vietnam combat veteran and proud of it.
    The company I worked for closed it's doors and I have not work for a year, this program would have really helped me and my family, but SCREWED AGAIN! This government does not give a crap to the older veterans who served honorably for this country. A veteran is a veteran no matter when he or she served. VA benefits should be for every veteran with NO AGE LIMIT!!!!!

  96. I am also a Vietman Vet age just 62 and that leaves me out also. I thought it said to retrain older vets and heroes. This leaves out most Vietnam Vets and babby boomers, so i think that theye planed it this way to pease someone but does not do the job intended. Its always something isnt it.

  97. I hope that I don't seem too uninformed by asking this question – but wouldn't those soldiers from the Vietnam era have gotten the original GI Bill educational benefits?

  98. julie kelleher | March 27, 2012 at 10:07 am |

    How about my 2 sons who are aged 23 and 25 who are navy vets and cannot find work???? Why do you have to be aged 35?? The economy is really bad, and now we have to age out benefits??!! A benefit should be a benefit, period!! I'm sick and tired of paying taxes and never reaping the benefits like everyone else seems to do, they served their country just like every one else ,, I am not diminishing what other war time vets have done, I admire them immensely..but come on, who makes up these STUPID rules??? I know, the congressmen who's benefits are paid for LIFE for serving a one four-year term in office! Where is the justice in that???????????????
    Signed, a full time hardworking tax paying citizen and and a very proud mom of 2 Navy veterans!

  99. I have been told by the Georgia DOL that this benefit will only be available to the first 45,000 people to apply nationwide, Essentially it's a sham, claiming to be providing a benefit for Veterans when so few people will Actually be able to benefit it is laughable. It's typical of politicians attempting to buy off Veteran votes while not really doing anything at all. Plus, if other states DOL or like Georgia it is a political benefit clearinghouse that only one particular minority group seems to get any use out of.

  100. I am a 12 year vet..1980 (no gi bill) – 1992 and am unemployed at the ripe age of 51. I have always wondered why we have been left out because as you can see Desert Storm is part of my past also. This is welcome news for myself as times are very difficult and any assistance I can to retrain is an opportunity for future opportunities.
    For all that complain that they are young and can't find a job then I say bull! Don't expect to find that "golden" job because you served 2 or 4 years..you are going to start out at the bottom like all of us did. After 12 years in Meteorology and Civil Engineering I learned the hard way that you have to restart. I chose to work for a carpet cleaning company but worked my way up through the trials and tribulations to Director of Engineering. Your young..wait till you hit your 50's and people think you are a lost cause…I appreciate any help I can get at this point.

  101. Manny Guzman | March 27, 2012 at 10:51 am |

    Amazing!! Here we go again!…There's always a clause that prevents Viet-Nam vets over 60 to be part of the plan, and keeps us out. Im 64 and in fairly good shape and health, willing to work, and desiring to be trained in whatever, but I am keept out because of an age clause again…Have been trying to get back into the work force for YEARS!!, to no avail. Im shooting resumes to employeers like they are going out of style, and the answer is always the same…not selected. When is this going to change for us who volunteered to offer our lives for this country??. When will we be treated equaly?. When is congress going to do something about the problem of Vets that have been discarded like just another unuseful Government Issue???. (GI)
    We need answers and Action NOW!!.

  102. Is this benefit transferable does anyone know?

  103. Age discriminatory for under 35 and over 60, the latter of which I am. 5 years out of work and still viable in work forces. Politics???

  104. Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country…jfk
    I understand that we have done a lot already for our country but still there is a lot more to be done and we must all continue to do our part, no matter how small the task, it is significant. If it is to lobby the U. S. Congress to get education or other benefits for Vet’s, then continue to get your step in…..

  105. Dan Bittner | March 27, 2012 at 1:28 pm |

    As stated, once again, Vietnam vets are left out in the cold. Where is the justice in that? NONE!!!

  106. Vietnam-Vets, I to serve during the Vietnam-Era Conflict , having read comments from ex-military personnel , it is " PURE AGE DISCRIMINATION " we Nam Vets should start organizing and have a march on DC, other groups are welcome to join in support of the cause. We serve our country in time of need whether conflict was " Congress Approve" or not. Having serve aboard an aircraft carrier Tonkin Gulf Region, in support of , Marines, Army, Navy and AirForce personnel we were the enlistees or draftees that serve our USA. When " Uncle Sam " call we follow orders, I shouldnt say Uncle cause no uncle should set an age limit to benefits . WE as a group serve, we are the ones that march to hep : one , two, three , four , We , as a group : DID NOT MARCH and I repeat DID NOT , march and chanted " Hell No We Won't Go"……………….WE WENT………………… AND SERVE OUR U. S. A

  107. My husband is a 56 (57 in July) year old Viet Nam Vet. We have fought with the VA for 20+ years and my husband was finally awarded 100% total and permanent disability. You are an Iraqi Veteran and you are complaining? I have taken care of my husband for 36 years, and what do I get for taking care of a US hero? Nothing. But I'm not complaining. There are spouses of disabled Iraqi Veterans that collect anywhere from $1000 to $5000 per month for taking care of their disabled spouses, That program is only for the Iraqi Vets, not the Viet Nam Vets. I think you should check out the different programs before you start complaining. Because of the Viet Nam Vets, you are still free and able to make your complaints…

  108. "This benefit can be used to earn an associate degree, non-college degree, or certification, and training for a high demand occupation."

    Why is VARP excluding a bachelor’s degree? I would think most veterans would have significant work experience and transferable skills to cover the first two years towards any undergraduate degree.

    What is happening

  109. Pedro Luis Guzman | March 27, 2012 at 2:59 pm |

    What about us, I am 68 and I will like to go the school, but I have no money, they forgot us. They should not place age limit, they can exam the vet to see if he qualifies, I DON NOT AGREE WITH THAT…….

  110. The criteria for this program puts most of us Vietnam Vets a day late and a dollar short. I have been out of work for almost 2 years and was hoping this would be the opportunity to get employed. The worst thing is I'm not old enough collect SS. Don't have any other pensions. Since I won't be eligible for training I will have to sit out without anything for a year and a half. Who ever thought of this law must have been a non vet politician.

  111. I like to know do I get on the list.

  112. luke, old serg | March 27, 2012 at 3:40 pm |

    I think its time we let whoever made this stupid bill there are a lot of Vets who will be left out in the cold. Write you representatives, NOW!!!!! It can be changed if we raise enough hell.

  113. Short Round | March 27, 2012 at 4:40 pm |

    Because of the unpopularity of the Vietnam war here in America, all that was was offered to us Vietnam Vets were discharge papers. If there were a GI Bill for Vietnam Vets, it was well hidden just like any other benefits that may have been available at the time. We have been left out of everything, So what makes anyone think that we are going to be offered anything now. I have been fighting for benefits for Agent Orange, like so many other Viet Nam Veterans, for over 30 years, and to date have not received anything but the run around. Once we all die out, then someone will write "more Vietnam Veterans should have received compensation for Agent Orange. The bottom line is keep fighting but expect nothing, except that other generation of the military family will be better treated then we were.

  114. TonyP

    What kind of deal is this?
    Most VN Era vets are either aproaching 60 yrs or over 60

    Is there any justice, we older vet would like to be re-trained to be able to keep up with the times and reduced value of retirement and SS dollars

  115. I too am a Nam era vet. Lets put our numbers into pay. An election is cumming up. Lets join ranks, and change leadership on Washington. If we put our votes together we CAN change the votes in congress. We can do this if we unite.

    TOGETHER WE STAND. Divided we fall. Vote congress and Obomma out.

  116. I appreciate everyone's service on this thread. I do feel sorry for the Vietnam Vets that has had a raw deal from the begining. The sad thing is watching you guys snivel and cry that the Goverment owes you something. For those that were drafted (Sorry I know it wasn't your choice). Many men and women have served and went on with there lives with or without education. With PSTD and without. I wish the 20 year old soldier, sailor, or Airman could hear you now. What would that person say? Life? Soldier up and get on with it. My first job when I got out after 9 years was with Walmart cleaning bathrooms. I went on to make over six figures a year. Dig deep folks. Quit being a victim.

  117. Hey man it's impossible for the post 9/11 benefit to end until 2016. It's good for 15 years after you serve. Are you sure you don't mean Chapter 30. There is a site va.gov. Read it.

  118. you guy`s are just to late to help us ol` soldier`s..why bring our `hopes` up, to be shattered by those in `office`…kiss my ass!!

  119. I am recently retired, in school but my Educational benefits will run out before I graduate. I do not know the extent of this bill but not interesting in inquiring because there is always a loop-hole to ween out the majority of all Vets. I am still frustrated by the fact that as an Army National Guard Retiree that served in Iraq and Afganistan, I can not draw my retirement pay until 60yr. but I could risk my life the same as Active duty…….this is crappy. I wish I never had joined the military, risk my life and time. What the country going to do for me now. Unemployed for the last 2 years, lost my husband, we both served but war is hell on a marriage, on family.

  120. Joe Kennedy | March 27, 2012 at 6:03 pm |

    What about if you are older than 60 or 70 and I still would like to go to school, to get a certification in IT, but I have no money, they forgot us. It doesn't matter about your age when it comes to supporting your self and family, the bills still come in.They should not place an age limit on this benefit, they can interview the vet to see if he/she qualifies. An age limit on this benefit is discriminatory and not legal.

  121. i feel like its a wonderful thing for us vets.sorry for those vietnam vets buts less be real,if you havent used any of the benefits for school since you have been discarded this shouldnt apply to you any way.companys are not going to hire any vets of you'll age.sorry but true so instead of crying about it tell your local vet rep and see if they can come up with something for the vietnam vets for a edu.program just for vietnam vet.

  122. MarvinS.Robinson,II | March 27, 2012 at 6:43 pm |

    YESs, where do we sign-up and try to get on the list; for this project ? and I will PRAY / eternal OPTIMIST, that I am: that – this NOT another one of those ANNOUNCED projects- that NeVer happen, or Never gets to INCLUDE a Navy Vet, such, as myself !!!
    Please, dear God, don't let the same people who have been so cruel in past, life-long career VA staffers adn their auxillaries be in charge of this, too !!! Because part of their role appears to BLOCK every itoa of HELP that VeTS really need, and then sit back and act LIKE they care. This announcement sounds so great, thank you and IT should be administered directly thorugh the ( schools, or the US LABOR Department, because if the VA or the state of Kansas gets ahold of the format; I can tell you in advance, this will turn into just another PretTY-high GLOSSY BROCHURE-
    Thank You

    Marvin S. Robinson,II
    Quindaro Ruins / Underground Railroad- Exercise 2012

  123. THANK U MISTER PRESIDENT!!!!!!!! GOTTA LOVE THIS GUY!!!!!

  124. TO ALL VIETNAM VETS | March 27, 2012 at 6:46 pm |

    To all of the Vietnam era vets – if you served in country and have not done so, please register with the VA Hospital. This will put you on the list for a reevaluation of your rating. You need at a minimum 10% rating for Chapter 30 – Voc Rehab. you will be get the most benefit if you are at 30%. You should also get yourself a VSO – veteran service Officer to go through your paperwork work with you and make sure it is all correct. The rating will also set you for monthly compensation and/or back pay.

    If you served out of country, your best information is to find a veteran friendly school, that offers a tuition break. Also depending on the state you live in, your local college will have fund available if you are in a dislocated worker – (ex. – in construction) and unemployed. As well, the Unemployment office will have funds, contact the local Veteran rep there.

    For those living in Washington State, King County, your have endless resources, example – Veteran Corp, Valley City and the VA educational office in the federal building.

  125. Education Nut | March 27, 2012 at 6:50 pm |

    Do you have to use up your GI Bill first?

  126. ANTHONY DAVIS | March 27, 2012 at 7:17 pm |

    Also sign-up with e-benefits to look at your claims and appeals of your VA Benefit claims, the website is http://www.ebenefits.va.gov the # is 1-800-983-0937. My organization is AMERICA'S VETS HELPING VETS FOR LIFE. e-mail is americasvetsforlife@yahoo.com. GOD BLESS.

  127. Never got a GI bill for education…got caught between Vietnam and Desert Storm…so I suck I guess…nothing for me just 7 years I served and waited for war…

  128. wow and they say obama is not doing anything
    funny both bush presidents did any thing like this for the all vets

  129. oops did not do anything for vets just shipped them off for deployments with no body armour

  130. What if my Montgomery GI Bill already expired. Can I now be eligible keeping in mind that I also meet all other conditions?

  131. Dan Stewart | March 27, 2012 at 10:21 pm |

    Given choice to volunteer or get drafted so, I left Canada to join. Got out and went back to Canada with no Vet benefits to use. Love the double standards they give US born people in other countries. Viet Era Vet.

  132. David Harty | March 27, 2012 at 10:44 pm |

    I too was between wars and have no GI Bill. I do receive Chapter 31 Voc Re-Hab for a service connected injury. If not for this I'd be stuck with nothing. For clarification though, you need a rating of at least 20% to receive ch 31, not 10% as stated above. Matter of fact, a lot of 10%'ers don't even get a check! It's in everyone's best interest to seek a rating even if you don't think you qualify . Try any way, you have nothing to lose. God Bless Vets!

  133. EEvennter text riEvenght here!

  134. This is a much needed program for the after_rare vets. I have a serious question? What happens to the VET that has retired overseas? He already has been eight balled for the house or business loans due too political naysayers. Here's a little small pay solution..take the payments from/through the retirees' Unk Sams' allotments! When your work status changes from active to retired military, your patriot shadow becomes a rainy cloud..good on you Mr. President for not forgetting US..the back bone of our freedoms. Needless to say much work on this VA program is needed in the future..Quotas won't make it again if this type of treatment continues..trust me to die, but not enough trust not to tell us another lie.

  135. IF IT WASN'T FOR THE VEIT NAM VETERANS SACRAFICE AND THIS COUNTRY'S FAILURE TO SUPPORT US WHEN WE CAME HOME YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ALL OF THESE BENEFITS THAT YOU ARE RECEVING NOW.THIS COUNTRY IS TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR IT'S PAST MISTAKES BY HELPING THE NEWER VETS GET WHAT THEY DESERVE…..USMC-68..0311

  136. Christopher | March 28, 2012 at 2:09 am |

    Why is the Cut-Off at 60 Years of age?
    What a screw job for Vietnam vets. I guess:> What's new? We Nam Vets were screwed when we came home and getting another screw job again..
    Christopher
    Vietnam:> 1968-69 & 1970-71.

  137. I am a Vietnam era vet of 4 years. I was wrongfully terminated from my job after 33 years.I will not be going back to it because of such a hostile environment. This sounds ideal for me as i will need to be retrained for future.

  138. adairefulone | March 28, 2012 at 8:44 am |

    There is so much wrong with this picture is there anything here that's right, and to think we claim moral authority over the world while treating us citizens like animals.

  139. John Serino | March 28, 2012 at 9:58 am |

    I guess life ends at 60 years old. Why is the cut off at a age for those that need it the most ? 60+ need to re-tool their knowledge to keep up with the latest technology in order to compete in today's job market. I know the VA can do better than that.

  140. The VEAP only offered $5400 of education benefits; only payable after a $2700 contribution. This new VA benefit is one that hasnt come at a better time. There are quite a few stipulations to be met. However, there are vets out there who can benefit for such aid. Good luck to all. Semper Fi. USMC 1982-1990…3043

  141. Contact your representatives in Congress…this is SO WRONG!!!
    Our goverment should make Vet programs avaliable to all Vets…not just the "pc, age specific, pr acceptable few)!!!
    E1 to E5 (71-74)…

  142. Michael:
    Would tell me how I could attend the workshops in San Francisco when I'm unemployed and living in Southern California. Is this a public relations move on your part and the President. I'm interested but don't have the funds to attend the session located in northern california. How long is the workshop. Let me know how I can attend.

  143. I am 62 and in good health. Unemployed for the first time in my life and I'm to old? The age limit should be eliminated.If you served your country you should be eligible.

  144. wow vets arguing with each other?????lot of veit vets wanting to work still wouldnt it be easier to retire? just asking not judging we should all qaulify but we need to recognize how our gov works they pay out to those who can continue the most contributing to their tax dollers lets face it your life expectancy is up and they dont think they can benift from your retraining in other words they all ready have your service and your tax dollers they secretly wish youde die already so they dont have to pay any more disablity they are done useing you and are onto the younger ones as they can benifit more in the long wrong….this is the reality of EVIL UNSUSTAINABLE AMERICA. Love you all my brothers and sisters we all have a verry strong voice if we stick together!!!!!!! there is grave unconstitutional injustice in "todays " America get a grip and hold on tight shit is commin down the pipe!!!!

  145. Robert Taylor jr | March 28, 2012 at 6:34 pm |

    I am 52 ann not working so i would like to sing up for that porgram

  146. I am a 63 year old Vietnam era vet, out of work 2 years. I am writing this to all Vietnam vets, write your congressman and senators. Lets all get together and show how strong are voices are and that we are not going to be discriminated against anymore. Today's society favors the young and young vets, but as veterans of any era we should all stick together and stand up for each other. Modern era veterans don't realize what we Vietnam vets went through, how society treated us, so it is easy for them to criticize us. I didn't ask to lose my job, I am very capable and healthy enough to work and I need a job. Any government program for veterans should include all veterans of any age. Let us older veterans decide for ourselves if we want to participate in these programs, not the government.

  147. Tax dollars are collected to fulfill two purposes: 1.) To support and maintain the infrastructure of the the federal, state, and municipal governments (payroll, supplies, maintenance of buildings, etc.) and 2.) For the benefit of taxpayers.

    These benefits can be in many forms, for example, to ensure that national security is maintained (foreign policy), but overall the benefits should more directly improve the well-being of US citizens.

    This comes in the form of highway improvements, bridge reconstruction, cleaner air, investment in eco-friendly energy alternatives, security of US soil, etc, and it should include education for all Vets.

    Tax dollars shouldn't never be spent to benefit and bailout industries that have "locked themselves in a corner" and can't find a way out. That is a private industry problem. The industry should learn like the rest of us with smaller businesses that if your product is inferior and too expensive compared to the competition, you don't survive–period! Tax money should never be used to bail out businesses. They were saved because of the "sheer Impact" it would've had on the economy if they weren't.

    My point: Tax dollars must be used to uplift Americans so they canmobilize themselves and achieve their dreams. It benefits the country in the long run and that is what tax dollars are supposed to do in the first place.

    Money should be spent in the millions to give all Vets education. No limitations. Why should the public save AIG? What have they done for us?

    Have the CEO's ever thought about the cost of Freedom?

    JoJo

  148. Chester Ivory | March 28, 2012 at 7:41 pm |

    I'm 62, I beem unemployable since 2004, with No beneficts. What about us Vietnam vets. Are you waitting for us to die off.

  149. i am 33 years old and i am trying to see if i may qualify for that program, with this economy it's hard ti find a job.

  150. I came in right near the end of the VEAP era, about 2 years before it was replaced with the new GI Bill. I maxed out my contributions, which didn't take long. The ~$8200 benefit didn't take long to spend, either, but it got me through an AAS in Laser Electro-Optic Technology while I lived at home with my mom. I'm glad I had the chance to earn that degree (lasers; how cool is that!), but the job market disappeared soon after I graduated, and never came back for AAS degrees. I was employed for 4 months as a Laser Tech II.

    A decade later, I was still picking up college classes as I had opportunity, with the intention of transferring everything to earn a Bachelor's. When I lost my full-time job a few years ago, I decided to polish my resume and tie up the loose ends of my college education. The nearest port for my educational ship appeared to be an AS in Computer Science, so I declared that major. I've also been picking up Computer Technology classes and certifications, including CompTIA, Cisco, Linux and EMC. A few years of quasi-employment (independent contractor) and college means that now I'm about at the end of my means. I need at least 2, maybe 3 more classes to graduate with the AS, but I can't borrow much more money. I'm 45, and I've lived alone most of my life. This new benefit might be enough to get me those last few classes, if I qualify. If not, well, I've been in college for 29 years already, and I reach full retirement age in another 22.

  151. Who is the POC for this program, the VA?

  152. Edgardo J. Alicea | March 29, 2012 at 1:26 pm |

    What are the higth demand occupation?I am a veteran with no job at this time,i served from. 1979-1991 cold war veteran.This is no a coment,i am ask from some orientation,
    Thank you.

  153. Now it is pretty clear of AGE discrimination.

  154. I sympathize with the Vietnam Vets. Let me ask, though. Is it not true that you were offered full educational benefits for use within a 10-year period of your discharge? That all of your educational expenses were covered, without your needing to contribute into a fund for them?

    This new benefit mostly assists those of us who were on VEAP. We had to pay 1/3 of whatever we got out, and the most we could get out (including what we paid in) was $8200, which had to be used within 10 years of discharge. It is my understanding that this is the least amount of educational assistance the military has offered veterans since it began offering educational assistance after WW I. So, don't see this new benefit as a slight to you if you are not eligible. It really only somewhat makes up for the cut in funding during the VEAP era.

  155. Hello Admin – Will you tell me if this program would cover APICS – http://www.apics.org/home? My employer just closed my facility and I'm now without work. I have been in logistics/distribution and mid-level management for the past 10-years, have recently acquired my BS in Business Management but the lack of this certification will hinder my future employment opportunities. If you will, please send feedback on this. It should be treated like a non-degreed certification. Many thanks!

  156. "U.S. News and World Report" has an article from 2008 that briefly and generally describes the history of U.S. military educational benefits:

    "The Surprising History of Military College Benefits" http://www.usnews.com/education/articles/2008/06/

  157. solidergirl | March 29, 2012 at 7:48 pm |

    I'm a vet, too, (during veap). It was helpful, but not enough. I think every vet no matter what time frame should have this opportunity, actually have college completely paid for by the government ,with NO students loan paybacks!!!!
    After all, we did serve our country. We VETS should have a free education and be able to improve ourselves, especially those unemployed, as it is, the minority/foriegners are the ones with all the jobs. and benefits. I think vets with prior student loans should also have no commitement of paying them back as a benefit of serving our country. P.S. most of us are not crying as vitcims, we all took an opportunity to serve.

  158. Solidergirl of USN | March 29, 2012 at 7:55 pm |

    I agree with solidergirl, all student loans should NOT have to be re-paid back, (besides all the lenders have changed hands and screwed up the loans anyhow, just to agrued more interest on the orginal loans, which makes it unbearable and impossible to payback. I agree all VETS should have a free education as a benefit as a veteran of the United States of America.

  159. Nursing would be one of the "high demand" occupations referred to here (I am certain) and that works just fine for me, as I am in the second year of my RN certification program at my local community college. This VRAP program comes along just in time for a struggling, unemployed (two years now), veteran student, merely looking for a little help from the government that I honorably served. VEAP was a terrible substitute for the GI Bill and was truly under-whelming for those that served during my era. I, for one, wish do this VRAP program justice when I achieve my licensure as an RN, and then serve at my local VA hospital and give back to help those that have also served, and are struggling as well. For all those that continue to whine sour grapes, about veterans they believe do not deserve some benefit from their service, I encourage you to go to your local VA hospital and shake a hand (or two) and thank a veteran (or two). They deserve your respect. I know I want to thank them, and I will, when I once again proudly serve with honor.

  160. I am an LVER in NC and our office has been following this programs development. July is not very far off – but we've contacted the VA, the State, Federal and even Congressional representatives trying to find out the specific requirements and exactly what the application process will be. This is a great opportunity for individuals needing to transition careers. There are other parts of this bill that will pay for training for disabled vets under the VoRehab and also an On the Job training where the employer can be reimbursed by the VA for up to 50% of the wages of a vet while the vet is in training. Go to the VA website and read up on the VRAP.

  161. question my mgi bill ended jan 21/2011 my ten years came up i was inrole in college classes fulltime i had to stop going to school after jan/21/2011 I was let go from my employer 2009 at no fualt of my own i max my 99 weeks of employment i haveing to find me somewhere to live after may 10/ 2012 due to forcloser on the home i was renting from my roommate wont let me move in the new place so i only have 35 days befor am homeless will i quaifly for the new VRAP i was useing chapter 30 Mgi bill when i was going to school in 2010 please respond back

  162. Emmett Gorby | March 30, 2012 at 12:29 am |

    I too am a Viet Nam era vet. I have been unemployed for four years now, and cannot even get an interview. I am a Construction Inspector, with 40 years of experience in the field. I am in very good health, and have a wealth of knowledge, that can only be learned by working, in the field. Most companies are hiring young college grads, with very little experience. I have been told I am over-qualified, (which really means, too old). I agree, that the age for these benefits, should be extended.

  163. Of course this comes along just as I'm about to become ineligible due to age 60! All along I've been harassing these arm-chair generals over the complete lack of benefits for those of us who served honorably AFTER the WW2 GI Bill expired and BEFORE the 9/11 GI Bill began. Seems at least Web listened. He seemed pretty interested when he wrote back – more than any of those NY 'representatives' did.

    Course I'm now working p/t but making poverty wages so I suppose that makes me ineligible anyway. Same old same old.

  164. Vietnam Era Veteran | March 30, 2012 at 10:41 am |

    I am a 62 old Vietnam Veteran. Professionally, I am an unemployed Software Engineer, however, with all today's technology advances, I definetly need to enhance my skill set (i.e. learning Oracle) in order to be competitive in today's job market. Why a cut off of Veterans age of 60? The bill only includes those born in 1952 and went into the military at earliest year 1970. Not knocking these veterans, but the bill excludes the thousands of unemployed Veitnam veterans who were in the very mist of the Vietnam War, who are past age 60, unemployed, can not retire, and could use this to make them more employable. As a Vietnam veteran I still feel left out, since I am viewed too old in the job market and too old to utilize any verterans benefits. There is nothing in place to encompass the forgotten Vietnam veteran. We have not forgotten our Vietnam experience(s).

  165. this sounds great and i meet all the requirements, now can somebody tell me how to apply

  166. Norbert McKee | March 31, 2012 at 1:48 pm |

    I too am a Vietnam Vet. It is sad that once again the Vietnam Veterans are left out. I am 63 years old trying to start a career switcher within education, as well as being a Troops to Teacher program. So far I have had no luck in the state of VA is it because of my age, I wonder. There are programs that younger people utilized but when I inquire there is no such thing. Again is it my age. I am a Vietnam Veteran as well as Desert Storm Vet again I feel as though the Vietnam Vet has been forgotten within all these so called legislation and our representative in Washington this also includes my state of VA. My hats go out to all the veterans beyond the Vietnam Era and do not take anything away from them but again why does it seem that Vietnam Vets don't exist within the system of our government. They say that Vietnam Vets should be recognized and Thanks go out but it is easy to voice but the action is not behind the voices.

  167. ARMYNAVYVET | April 1, 2012 at 7:13 am |

    did you forget what we had todo in country, do you not think that was enough payment, besides any benifit that is available should be looked into,even if you dont need it, others might but yoy sound like you need to reevaluate your position and think about what re-training could do for your outlook on a JOB, thanks for your service i am diabled phyically but not brain dead, want to work cant uderstand why age, vet status and attitude are all that is being talked about here what we need is option for all veterans to make our collective lives better.MACM584

  168. Rafael Castro | April 1, 2012 at 11:35 pm |

    I do not understand why Vienam vet are being descriminated ( left out) of this program. I'm 62 yrs old, purple heart recipient, and in need of futher training to try to get back to a full time position in a very competitive market. Can we get some other concern and left out Vietnam vets to fight so we get included?

  169. Very excited about this opp'd for us Vets. My recommendation is the VA and DOL need to have a site for us to leave our emails and let us know when the application process is ready

  170. 56 year old guest | April 2, 2012 at 6:12 pm |

    I have been out of FULL TIME work for 5 years and desperately need this opportunity. It's pretty limited though, only 45,000 people initially and 54,000 the following fiscal year. It'll be very interesting to see how this works.

  171. vicente s. noriega | April 3, 2012 at 4:19 am |

    I'm a gulf war vet but failed to obtain that Montgomery G.I. Bill then. I'm currently staying outside the US mainland but unemployed. I was HONORABLY discharged from the service (USN) way back 1993 and drawing nothing as far as compensation is concern from any government or private entity. I'm pretty much eligible for this VRAP and I just do hope that I will be given priority for this.

    Hospital Corpsman, Portsmouth, Va.

  172. Candy Gans | April 3, 2012 at 2:24 pm |

    Dont forget about us, the women! We have little chance to get any program, simply by the numbers. I need help too. The numbers are even against us in the real world. I need the education to be able to complete on a higher level. At my age the only advantage I can get is education. So give me a break.

  173. What about a Disabled Korean veteran who just turned 80 yrs old.
    Disability 40% , where do I go for help I am really in good health with
    medications. I have been living from week to week for 15 years at the
    same co.. Next week I will be hurting
    Thank you in advance

  174. hello:
    Why stop at age 60? I am 71 and look like a man of 50; also I took Microsoft
    FRx accounting software certification; and got high marks.

    If you are over 60 and in damned good health(judging from your medical records), and you want to study—–you should be part of the program.
    egbert

  175. It's obvious that everyone can't be satisfied. For the people this will help I am happy they have this option. To the people that says this is no help to them …well don't concern yourself with it. Every vet benefit is not for every vet(some don't apply). Just keep it moving. :)

  176. Okay..they try to give something and all I hear is complaints. There is not a super plan that's going to satisfy everyone. I am a vet and I want to thank all vets before and after me who served this country. Some of you are just plain trippin' I hope after 60 I am some where planning for my retirement not trying to get into a new career field. The people who can up with this plan probally went on the fact that 72 is the average life span. But I know that does not matter to you….

  177. I'm 35. Unemployed. Awaiting surgery through the VA. On the ever long wait for my compensation claim to be processed, 8 months of gathering evidence. I'd love to work, but you mention you need time off for doctors appointments weekly and pending surgery, not to mention you can't stand for long periods of time, sit for long periods of time, lift more than maybe 20#s. So I don't see how this could help me.

  178. Michael A.Smith | April 10, 2012 at 8:38 pm |

    if a person is presently enrolled but does not have the money to complete the retraining course. can i still use the program.

  179. Will this pay off outstanding student loans?

  180. I saw this last month and the article keeps saying "Stay tuned for more details as VA releases them." But the program is starting in July. Applications need to be filled out in time for Fall.

  181. bobstar101 | April 10, 2012 at 9:23 pm |

    Why is there an age limit of 60 — sounds discriminatory

  182. I am a disabled Veteran, because of issues I cannot hold employment so I live within my means, lets stop complainimg and be grateful we have what we have there are alot of HOMELESS Veterans, and I haven't seen to many complaining most of them have issues and can't get help because they don't know who to turn to instead of complaining, get on the program if your eilgible, and like the someone else posted, if you really think a Degree at 60 plus is going to help, look at all the younger College grads, who can't find employment can't blame everything on VA

  183. glassprisoner | April 10, 2012 at 9:36 pm |

    You are the reason I am trying to get out of State Government. You are the reason that when I say I am a DVOP or Vet Rep, people roll their eyes.

    What you are actually saying is you failed to secure a job in the civilian sector so you turned to state government, used your 30% + VA rating to get a status job. You are a real piece of work.

    It was a DVOP like you that inspired me to become a vet rep, because I knew I could do better and I do, not because I am not employable, a BS in MIS and an MBA make me very employable. I am here because I want to be, not because I had to be.

    I feel sorry for your clients and hope they can find a real vet rep.

  184. Thank goodness for this bill for everyone that is eligible. By all means take advantage while you can. I am disappointed; however, that the Vietnam era vets have been cut-out of this badly needed benefit. Once again your Congress has acted with their infinite wisdom and compassion.

  185. -Part 1 of 2-
    For what it's worth, I'm been out of FT work since 2008 — currently working 2-3 PT jobs and still searching. I wasn't a Vietnam War or Persian Gulf War vet. Vietnam ended three months before I graduated HS and got orders to NTC. From there — submarines. It wasn’t easy duty — but it wasn’t getting shot at either. After that, the Chapter 34 GI Bill, extra money selling cars, and a BS in Criminal Justice. From there, 15 years through the ranks of our state corrections department from uniformed officer to case work, to trainer, investigator and administration before stepping down in 2003 to get two shoulder surgeries at the VA and enduring eighteen months of physical therapy and complete recovery. In 2005, I got a job at DoD which I held for three years with 7 months service in western Iraq moving throughout Al-Anbar by helo from site to site and yes — getting shot at. Unlike a lot of you though, I couldn't shoot back. I left DoD in 2008 to complete another BS — in History.

  186. -Part 2 of 2-
    The best I can do since then is work as a substitute teacher. I'm not complaining. Teaching is rewarding, but I thought I could do better than 30 hours a week at 1/3 of my old state salary. Tried to get my old position — or less — in my old state agency, but in spite of excellent prior evals, being in excellent physical condition, having gained a wealth of experience both there and elsewhere, more education and great interviews — nobody is burning up the phone towers to give me a job. When I first started with the state, I was 28 years old. Today, I'm 54 but just as healthy and a damn sight smarter — but not smart enough to get a FT job. I'll just keep looking until “the recovery” comes my way — or maybe I’ll start some business of my own writing history texts for school children. Didn’t mean to ramble, but I know as well as anybody here how tough it is these days. Thank you all for your fine service and hang tough.

  187. Tracy Lyle | April 11, 2012 at 1:02 am |

    I am a vet going to gollege now and i have been havingtrouble trying to get my 911 Post GI bill benifits, I have been working on this problem since Jan 31 2012 and i have called the people in Ok but keep getting the run around because you don't talk to the same person each time you call. Even the person at my college called to Ok and they told here that everything was good. I called Ok during my Spring break at school and they said that i had to send another letter that they had sent me. I only have about one month of school left and i have not been paid yet. I even paid out $ 400.00 out of my pocket so that i could attend classes. Is there anybody that can help me get to the bottom of this screw up.

  188. David Danko | April 11, 2012 at 8:38 am |

    I have been unemployed for two years. I applied for VA pension and medical help in 1996 and was not qualified . I also asked for my records back and was told that I have to go to the Va in Decator Georgia for help. This Wrap program looks good,but I am 61 .

  189. I am currently unemployed and have work my whole life. I am currently 40. I would love this to start sooner. Where do we get the forms at? Everything for the government has numerous forms, but where are the posted.

  190. Jamie Wimberly | April 11, 2012 at 9:59 am |

    This sounds like a great program to help those who want to make a different in their life. I am one of those people. I was part of a lay off in January 2012, that made lay off #3 for me. Currently I am still unemployeed and have enrolled in school to finish my degree. I am struggling to make ends meet but I know it is worth the struggle. I can not wait to sign up for the new program. Where do I go I need it now…..

  191. VA Career link??? Can't find it please help.

  192. How will offering one year of schooling do much for an unemployed soldier? This is ridiculous to say the least!

  193. Jose Ex Vietnam Vet | April 11, 2012 at 11:31 am |

    By the same token as i was posting a comment it was not posted because it was “duplicate” or i had already said it before. It is just ” AGE DISCRIMINATION ” TO ALL VIETNAM VETERANS CONCERNING THIS ” VRAP GI BILL” why set an age limit /? Sam had open arms for volunteers during Vietnam or Sam yank you in …….. In DC or VA the ” BUCK AND BENEFITS” should ALSO STOP AGE 60 no butts or IFFFFF………

  194. Jose Ex Vietnam Vet | April 11, 2012 at 11:56 am |

    By the same token as i was posting a comment it was not posted because it was “duplicate” or i had already said it before. It is just ” AGE DISCRIMINATION ” TO ALL VIETNAM VETERANS CONCERNING THIS ” VRAP GI BILL” why set an age limit /? Sam had open arms for volunteers during Vietnam or Sam yank you in …….. In DC or VA the ” BUCK AND BENEFITS” should ALSO STOP @ AGE 60 no butts or IFFFFF………

  195. Where can I find the definition for unemployed. Dont say DOD.com. it is not there or can you search it in their engine.for the last two years, I was self employed before the recession and making a fair income. Since 2009 I have made less than $12,000 a year. Am I considered employed.

  196. I have been trying to get information about this benefit. Does anybody know how t apply? I spoke with my veterans rep and the Department of Labor, nobody knows how to apply…Help

  197. Just like any other form of the GI Bill the vets are the ones who are getting the short end of the stick, how about they start taking money away from congress! Of course this will never happen. It is simply a shame that Our men and women go out to fight a war and are told well this all we can give you. Cutbacks!

  198. Jeffrey Hendryx | April 11, 2012 at 4:26 pm |

    I am a Vietnam Era Veteran, when I was discharged I really didn't feel like going back to school then. Now, just before I got unemployed in March 2010 I bought into and airplane and a flying club. I really enjoy aviation and have my own equipment..it would be great to get the ratings I need to fly commercially with this new offer, I do work 15 hrs. a week part time but at my age noone really wants to hire us to start a career again. I will keep checking with my Vets Rep to see if I can take advantage of this. Jeff

  199. Jeffrey Hendryx | April 11, 2012 at 4:30 pm |

    I also believe that for those who served their country, no matter when or what age they are now, there should be no limitations when they can use their GI Bill, many made the ultimate sacrifice and their survivors should be taken care of also.

  200. what about the vets that are UNDER 35 and unemployed as myself?! I could use some help finding work too!

  201. Tony Esperanza | April 11, 2012 at 4:57 pm |

    1. We are already in Fiscal Year 2012. If this takes effect on July 1, 2012 – you will be in Fiscal Year 2013. The 45,000 veterans for 1-yr GI bill will be lost.
    2. Office of Primary Responsibility (OPR) should advertise what veterans need to do now, to prepare for the application process.
    3. No age minimums nor age limitations. Review on a case by case basis. Review board(s) should be established to follow strict guidelines, like the "Promotion Boards" for promotion to E8 and E9s.
    4. Extend the drop dead date to accommodate the lost FY 2012, 45,000 veterans.

  202. Why doesn't any of the DOLs have information to disclose to those interested in participating in this program or how to apply. This program is suppose to be effective 1 Jul 2012. However, it makes no since to wait until such time to figure out how to apply. DOLs are clueless in their present role and are taking no actions, at this time. Will someone please help the agency so they may be able to help someone else?

  203. this is a great program, I am afraid that the lack of supply of information and applicatioon at the last minute will fill up the capacity too fast , lets do some pre-screen im may or june..classes are starting again july..

  204. The age cap at 60 years old is very unfair to us Vietnam veterans who were layed off due to outsourcing and still unemployed. Like myself, there must be many others who would benefit greatly with some additional training to supplement our current skills with current technology so that we can be more competitive in the current job market.

  205. When can we apply and where?

  206. Apparently, this is a Department of Labor program, paid for by the VA. The rules may have been set by the Department of Labor. Perhaps that is the reason the rules stipulate a cutoff of age 60? The DoL is trying to put people into the workforce who have most of a decade before retirement.

  207. Seems to me that this is illegal age discrimination.

  208. I am an unemployed military retiree. I had Montgomery GI Bill benefits but they expired before I could use them (had to go to work to support family). Am I eligible for this program? Thx.

  209. anthony barrera | April 24, 2012 at 5:12 pm |

    anthony barrera

    I am currently unemployed and going to school at this time using my Post 911 but have transfered one year to my spouse; am I still eligible for this program. Ionly have 5 months left since I had used atleast some of it in 2010?

  210. I look forward to trying to use this benefit. Got to use what is given!

  211. LIMITED to 45K vets???? are you kidding me? with MILLIONS of vets in this country? 45k??? 45? and 55 next year? really? are you kidding me? sorry already said that. R-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S-!-!-!

  212. John Mclellan | April 25, 2012 at 10:48 am |

    When can we start applying for this?

  213. Bruce Thomas | April 25, 2012 at 3:09 pm |

    Something beats nothing stop whining.

  214. I turn 35 on July 18th. So do I still get in?

  215. Jeannette Trombley | May 4, 2012 at 11:32 pm |

    How does one apply for the VRAP benefits?

  216. DayLateDollarShort | May 7, 2012 at 4:42 pm |

    I am on WIA – a training program sponsored by the state unemployment office. It doesn't pay anything, but it does allow you to attend school while receiving unemployment compensation. Normally, when you are on unemployment, it is difficult to attend school because you are required to look for work every day and be available to accept whatever job you can get. WIA allows your "work search" to consist of full tiime attendance at trade school or community college . This is great, but. . .guess what? WIA counts as a federal/state training program, so I on't qualify. Too bad, because the 1473.00 a month is 500.00 more than i get from unemployment each month!

  217. What about Vets who have had to accept "survival jobs" ie, flipping burgers, wal-mart, etc because their unem. bennies ran out or are were too proud to go on state unemployment and take any job out there even at poverty salary. I believe Low income vets should be made qualified for this also instead of getting screwed for taking any low paying job they could get at the moment while those who refused to work will now benefit from it.

  218. Mills, Lee | May 9, 2012 at 9:27 pm |

    Is this another goverment program, where no one, accept family and friends, will know how to sign up? Then when they do have an open inrollment. The program will be full?

  219. I am a highly skilled vet, mid 40s, and recently worked a part-time temp job for 8.00 hr. The job ended May 10. I quit the temp agency because their wages were too low for me. Can I still apply for the VRAP program?

  220. frankpaulgambino | May 13, 2012 at 11:11 am |

    If I am in vocational rehabilitation and after two years I got no job or further education just procrastination. Can I request my ticket to work back and withdraw from state VR and enter into this program? Can you receive Veterans retraining assistance program and SSDI together, is this a stipend.

  221. Question: I meet ALL of the criteria in the above article. But I already enrolled in a Master's degree program and I am scheduled to graduate on June 29, 2012! Can I get "grandfathered" into this benefit to help pay on what I would owe on a Stafford Loan? Thanks.

  222. How do I get an application?

  223. Steven Z. | May 18, 2012 at 3:21 pm |

    The qualifications say, "This benefit can be used to earn an associate degree, non-college degree, or certification, and training for a high demand occupation". I am in a Bachelor program, so does that disqualify me?

  224. The qualifications say, "This benefit can be used to earn an associate degree, non-college degree, or certification, and training for a high demand occupation". I am in a Bachelor program, so does that disqualify me?

  225. ON A MORE POSOTIVE NOTE THIS IS LIKE A SMALL MIRACLE! I DONT THNK OBAMA IS A GENIUS BUT I WILL BE USING THIS [VRAP] TO GET CERTIFICATION IN A FIELD THAT THEY MANDATE AND UTILIZE THE DEPARTMENT OF LABORS ASSISTANCE WHEN I GET MY NON COLLEGE DEGREE OR CERTIFICATION!!! I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY THING FROM ROMNEY ON VETERANS!!! NUFF SAID!!! TO ALL OTHER VETERANS BETWEEN 30 AND 60 YOU CAN APPLY PRETTY QUICKLY AND EASILY JUST HOPE YOU MAKE THE CUT OF ONLY 45,000 VETERANS TO ENGAGE VRAP BEFORE 01OCT12!!! OBAMA PULLS ONE OUT OF THE HAT!!!!! WOW!!!

  226. I am absolutely unable to get the Ebenifits page that has to do with VRAP to work. Is anyone else having this problem?

  227. I'm not pleased that the Dept. of Labor restricted the schools to ones that don't award anything higher than an associate's degree. I think this is short-sighted. Community colleges and voc/tech/trade schools are starting to offer bachelor's degrees. Four-year colleges and universities in some places have long offered certificate, diploma, and associate's degree programs, others more recently so. All expanded their offerings in order to meet the needs of the communities in which they are located, many of which are rural. This restriction penalizes rural veterans, who have few eligible schools to choose from, while favoring urban and suburban veterans who have many eligible schools to choose from.

  228. It's crazy that you have to be unemployed to take advantage of this opportunity.

  229. log on to ebenefits site, create an account and do it online!!! it only takes about 15 minutes to complete!!! Easy

  230. Does anyone know if the University of Phoenix is an eligible school?

  231. Dennis Hinrichsen | May 28, 2012 at 3:20 pm |

    Don't get too excited!
    The VA put the restriction on AA & lower community colleges.
    Most classes at my CC are already closed for Fall 2012.
    You have to be enrolled full time (12 credits) to get any benefit.
    You can't use fillers to meet the minimum – core related only.
    I might succeed in Spring 2013 and still have a year of benefit to complete.

    VRAP seems more like an election year ploy to gain the Vet vote.

  232. Louis Marquez | May 29, 2012 at 12:24 pm |

    what if you use education benifits for a few months back in 1970 can you still do this.

  233. I got a letter today from the VA informing me that I am entitled to benefits for the program of education I selected (Computer Science/Computer Support Specialist).

    I have to submit the letter to the VA certifying official at my school. After the VA receives my enrollment information from the school, I would receive an educational award letter. On the back page, the letter states that I must maintain enrollment as a full-time student to receive benefits. Less clear to me is which classes qualify.

  234. I am one of the fortunate to be approved. Can I qualify for the VA Student Work Study Program while under VRAP? It would help financially.

  235. Bob Smith | June 12, 2012 at 9:15 am |

    Appears most Vietnam vets left out with cut off at age 60?

  236. I reside in New York City and my problem is finding a Community College that offers a program of interest and in line with the mandates of the program. I feel that is is a disadvantage to restrict the program to Community Colleges and Technical Schools. As someone mentioned previously; many Four year colleges offer certification programs on a continuous basis.
    I was excited whet i read the letter, but I am struggling to find a program of interest at a community college. I hope i meet the deadline.

  237. can a vet who has a defaulted lloan qualify

  238. Does anyone have a phone number other than that posted on the VRAP page? I applied on May 15th at 9:14 a.m. and they LOST my application. I have the confirmation number and they still CANNOT seem to find it. Classes are closing out quickly.

  239. pingpoing | June 19, 2012 at 5:35 pm |

    why do they say pre-911 when it’s really post-911 veterans after 9/11, it sends mixed singles, veterans who served prior to 9/11 do not qualify for this.

  240. Antonio Sanchez | June 19, 2012 at 11:19 pm |

    Greetings fellow Americans! First and foremost I would like to thank you all for your SERVICE in protecting our great nation. This is an awesome oppurtunity for you to get training in a field that is in demand. I work for a Vocational College in Riverside Ca that meets the requirements for the VRAP program. If any of you have any questions or concerns feel free to contact me and I will more then happy to do my best to assist you. My name is Antonio Sanchez and I can be reached at (951)300-5554.

  241. Antonio Sanchez | June 19, 2012 at 11:22 pm |

    Greetings fellow Americans! First and foremost I would like to thank you all for your SERVICE in protecting our great nation. This is an awesome opportunity for you to get training in a field that is in demand. I work for a Vocational College in Riverside Ca that meets the requirements for the VRAP program. If any of you have any questions or concerns feel free to contact me and I will be more then happy to do my best to assist you. My name is Antonio Sanchez and I can be reached at (951)300-5554.

  242. Eric Major | June 23, 2012 at 12:50 pm |

    Where do you get the application to apply?

  243. VRAP of Co is bs i went over there and they told me to go work for a fast food and they would not help me .

  244. do a vet with a felony eligible for this program?

  245. marty-mar | July 7, 2012 at 7:08 pm |

    is a veteran with a felony eligible? martin

  246. marty-mar | July 7, 2012 at 7:44 pm |

    its a shame that veterans who have worn the uniform with pride served there country cant get the respect they deserve. whats up with that?

  247. Where do I get the application?

  248. Where do I get the application for school ?

  249. Rick Winstead | July 12, 2012 at 1:10 pm |

    I applied for the VRAP program in late June and have yet to hear any response as to whether I have been approved. I received an e-mail that my application was processed but that was all I have heard. How long does the process take before I know that I am "good to go" with my studies. Thank you

  250. I read as much replies as I could. but being a young educated OIF/OEF vet. I served 6yr7months in Air Force.. all vet play integral role that people do not realize, and every VET has unique story from how you end up in military to how you end up getting out. Two things i will like for all vets to jointly address is the use of DD214 in employment consideration. And the extent of struggles being dished out to Veterans just because they lost their mind at some point in service. Do unlucky Vets really deserve more punishment after serving honorably, but with bad DD214. Im OTH Vet with excellent service. I earned respectable decorations, but with chronic PTSD & Depression. Does the military realize its punishment policies plays bigger role in ruining our lives with one size fits all policies? And always turn around to spend billions of dollars trying to rebuild it…is this a cycle that some other veterans must go thru? What about our kids and families they get part of the punishment. Unemployment, GI Bill, USA Jobs, all federal jobs, security clearance required jobs, More benefits, a lot of things, and even pride taken away. Civilians get in trouble and get repeated chances. We VETS don't get nothing. We are often shove below society…even military spouses, and civilian often have more say so. Getting a meaningful response from these so call military office is almost impossible, and then all process takes two to five years. No info sharing among the departments. VA does it own thing, AFPC, does it own things, Army , Navy offices …etc.
    Who is this guy called military? Where is he to answer our needs?

  251. The biggest problem I'm having concerns the schools. Most schools don't understand the program or how to get things rolling. And, they don't have any better luck contacting the VA for answers than we do (next to impossible). I'm in a 2-year program at a local college but they do offer other 4-year programs. By the initial requirements they don't qualify because of the 4-year programs they offer. But, they say they have correspondence in-hand that says some of those restrictions are being revised. So, they say they ARE now eligible for the VRAP benefits at their school. They sent the enrollment certification off to the VA but haven't heard anything yet about whether it will be accepted or not. I imagine I'm not the only one having this problem…by eliminating any school that offers a 4-year program of any type (even if you are only enrolled in a 2-year Associate Degree, or even a shorter Diploma or certificate program) the VA made virtually every school in Florida ineligible, with the exception of 1 Vocational school in the area where I live. Anybody else experiencing these problems?

  252. I am one of the fortunate to be approved.
    Does anyone know if tuition/lab fees/books are to be paid by us at the time of registration.
    Or does this program cover that cost… if not then where is the money coming from us unemployed vets? Sounds like if that's the case we need student loans.

  253. akram abdulrahman | July 22, 2012 at 6:35 am |

    Hi, I applied for the VRAP in Detroit job fair and I got my confirmation number. I'm wondering how will we be contacted, or what should I do next?

  254. I have been trying to find any information and this is so damn disturbing. Our military office knows nothing about anything. They put a civilian in and she is lacking knowledge.

  255. Joe McElhenny | July 25, 2012 at 11:25 am |

    I have applied and received approval, along with a letter saying my next payment will be automatically sent via direct deposit to my bank. My question is do I or the school need to send in some paperwork saying I am enrolled or do the payments just start after initial approval.

  256. Tody is Aug 1. I started school for the summer on june 25th. Istill have not received any funding. Whats up.

  257. Where do the school has to send the enrollment? She sent me the form..wth
    Has anyone gotten payment?

  258. Robert Lindgren | August 6, 2012 at 2:03 pm |

    This is typical BS by the Feds who are trying to give benefits to certain groups according to race. Also if you use the program for a six week certification you cannot use the rest of the year's benefits. You are then classified as one of the veterans helped. Why is this important? Say wou want to be an EMT, Certified as a Nursing Assistant, and later be a Paramedic which theoretically could all be done within the scope of one years benefits. After your first certification they boot you off the rolls and classify you as being helped. These pencil pushers don't care about actually helping you. .

  259. HAS ANYONE GOTTEN MONEY? JUST CURIOUS…AND IF SO HOW LONG DID IT TAKE?

  260. Would this apply to reservists or those who only served in the reserve component of the military?

  261. We need a new President who will institute sound economic policies so people won't have to play this proverbial job in the tank and grab for dollars game.

  262. I to got a confirmation letter and I am very happy. It's a start, and I need help to maximize my benefits, because I don't want to be a Truck Driver or Fire Alarm Technician, I want the best training I can get for the $17K so I won't get into the mess I'm in now as a Aircraft Mechanic. I am tired of always looking for a new contracts, moving, poor managers and companies ripping me off for My Per Diem! They should have a briefing at the local VA offices so everybody will be on the same sheet of music. Oddly, I live in DC?

  263. Almost 60. Worked all my life. Viet NameEra and US Navy. Well, saw VRAP and was thrilled. Man, what a run around, and at times, disrespectful treatment from the school VA Rep. Found out he is Afghanistan Vet. Applaud him for that but attitude initially was less than enthusiastic. "he does not work for VA, he works for the school". So what, it is a Vet program. Believe me, I know I know I sound like a bad attitude but that is not the case. Even to reach this guiy, left many emails and VM/as instructed to by the receptionist. Call and leave VM never returns; until I guess, I was a pain in his butt. I am respectful and did not expect all information just guidance. Pulling teeth to get print out of courses and then, found out tuition due up front. OK OK, maybe I should have been better steward of my money, I need a computer to meet specs for those classes only offered on line. I do not have the 1,000.00 initial outlay, told no advance pay, although directives state Ch 30 advance pay directions should be available late August. I am just going by what is in print. A lot of the colleges want nothing to do with this program, afraid they won't get paid because funds sent directly to Vet. I will not comment on that.. Jumped through all the hoops, which by the way, I do not mind doing. Worksource rep, saw twice, looked for grants, not available for me because of BA from 32 years ago. Pulling teeth to find out about pay and then, boom, only paid for days that classes are considered in session. OK no problem, after month completed, no problem. Told to go see Vet Rep and was seeking information about other possible bens. Did this because advised to. Once military always military, follow orders. Ha. Seriously, this gal asked me if I was going to school for the money????? Could not believe it. I was stunned and cautious with my reply, lest I been seen as "difficult to deal with". I am going to get trained no matter what. I have at least another 15 years to give back. Bottom line, I called another Community College on the other coast, where I was born and raised, always received calls back with in two days. Vet Rep there sent information to me about VRAP in detail. What is going on? I wish I was back on other coast as I would feel more comfortable and respected going to a school that works for the people. I am sure they are just as busy, if not more, just less negative energy I suppose. I now want to make sure that the classes I signed up for meet all of the quals for VRAP. I will do my own research because I do not want to end up day classes start only to be told, well these classes don't meet requirements; same as when you buy a car, oh yes, car will be in store 2 days and same price negotiated and you will get everything asked for. Go to get car and fed a bunch of broo hahah, until you are so confused and frustrated that you accept whatever you are fed. I am so happy this program is out there, but for the life of me, I do not understand, maybe the schools have the same beliefs that Dr have, no more medicare patients because too long to pay bill and too little money. Do not mean demean Dr. but same principle. I am going forward with a positive attitude. This program means the difference in my possibly being on the streets and survival. As I said before just becasue almost 60, I still have many years to give back.

  264. I have been approved but there is not a community college anywhere close to me and it seems that most schools dont understand the program. Can anyone give me xome insight. i was first told that we could use this for online learning as long as the school met all the criteria, but now am finding that most online schools have never heard of this,

  265. Do Not go to Mckinley college. they are not VRAP approved.

  266. They give you this benefit but wont tell you which school is approved.

  267. Could someone please tell me which Online school the VRAP is approved for? If someone is going to a one and is RECEIVING benefits from VRAP, please let me know ASAP. I just wasted 5 weeks attending a school that the people at the GI Bill 800 number told me should be okay, only to find out that it wasnt approved! I spoke the another representative and they couldnt tell me what school is approved, and I would have to go to it, pay the fees submit a request then wait for an answer……..and it could be NO!

  268. i read into the vrap and it conflicts with post911 gibill, it stated you do not qualify for VRAP if your eligible for post911 gibill. The question is what if your eligible got your certificate of eligibility for post 911 gibill and currently not using it, will getting VRAP void my eligibility in case I plan to use post911 gibill in the future after I've finished with VRAP?

  269. Do I qualify if my discharge was in 1981? Honorable,51,unemployed and not getting any other benefits…Can some one answer please Thank you fellow vet

  270. has anybody recieved money. how long did it take.

  271. Coastline Community College,( www .http://coastline.edu) is VRAP approved, Online courses, they offer credits for military service and are geared towards Military MOS and Veterans, low tuition. Mostly Vets working in the office and willing to defer tuition until VRAP pays. you can also use FASFA with your VRAP.
    You bet that's who I'm going through!
    Fall quarter B starts in Oct if you hurry you can make it!

  272. My husband, was approved for this program right away online and was able to start school asap also. He got information from our local job service center because he was receiving unemployment, after, he asked what programs were available to help him get retrained. He had to set up a direct deposit account through a government bank. Thankfully, we, already had an account through USAA online. His first check should be deposited on the 15th of this month, which, would make a month after school started and it should continue like this for this semester. So, from November until he gets out in December, won't make a full month of pay. Also, he shouldn't get his next check until February, only after he's been in school for a month. So, you have to go to school for a period of time (of which I think is a month) before you will get your funds. He has a VA Rep. at his school and is able to get information from them, as well. I wish everyone the best and hope this helps !! Good Luck !!

  273. Saddleback College is also approved and they have a VA Rep on site saddleback.edu
    Does anyone know if the benefits have to be reported on income tax forms?

  274. I am getting frustrated due to the fact that I am looking for an associate degree in computer repair to go with my associate degree in electronic engineering technology due to the fact that I can't find employment because either of my age 57 years old or every company wants experience that I don't have. And every school I checked for an associate is around 35,000 dollars or more for a two year degree.

  275. Does anyone know if it is hard to change schools and training programs?

  276. I am 63 and would like to know why the age limit stops at 60. I am x-Army vietnam vet and healthy enough to work far beyond my retirement age what ever that may be. I feel as though if I don't stay active it will be the end for me.I am unemployed and can't seem to find anyone to hire me.

  277. AFTER TALKING TO DIFFERENT VA EMPLOYEES AT THIER CAREER CENTERS,I STILL HAVE NOT RECIEVED A CONFIRMED AND LIGITAMATE ANSWER ON THE SUBJECT OF THE ELIGILBILTY REQUIREMENTS OF THE VRAP PROGRAM #61550'AS SAYS,NOT BE IN THE LAST I80 DAYS ENROLLED IN STATE OR FEDERAL JOB TRAINING PROGRAM.AFTER READING THE BILL ITSELF,THERE IS NOTHING MENTIONING THIS,PLUS THERE IS NO DATES ASSOCIATED WITH IT.DOES ANYONE HAVE THE TRUE ANWSER AND EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP PLEASE,THANK-YOU

  278. Steve Metzler | October 26, 2012 at 7:38 am |

    American College of Technology is VRAP approved for Diplomas and AAS degree programs. Contact ACOT.EDU or read the Q&A Session at this link…Mention mine name while enrolling and I get a bonus! Steve Metzler! http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=0012Aftc1nOCEozuN_777

  279. How do I call in to verify my enrollment to receive my monthly payment?

  280. What was the number to call and verify my enrollment?

  281. Make sure the school your applying for has a institution code

  282. I was scamed by way of identity theft at bank of america. Because of this i am blackballed from opening bank account. so, can anyone tell me is there another way to receive my benefit payments?

  283. Jerry Sanders | November 28, 2012 at 1:04 am |

    If I am attending a four year college, which I know you cannot use the vwrap, but, want to use the vwrap at another two year college for a different degree at the same time, without using my fasfa, at the two year college would vwrap accept this type of sistuation

  284. Franklin Ford | December 1, 2012 at 2:46 pm |

    Can I apply under the VRAP, with an other than honorable discharged, with a charter of Bad conduct. This is not a dishornable discharged.

  285. Pamela Lill | December 4, 2012 at 6:27 am |

    I am an unemployed female retired reserve major who gets no unemployment because I was a stay ar home mom who then went through a divorce (from a highly paid commercial pilot who I supported when we first married and he was an unenployed C-141 pilot for 6 months), This was back in 89 when I first married him and I was a Captain in the Air Force. He has now moved my 3 young kids to California and I am devastated.
    Anyway I will be qualified for the VRAP in July 2013, That is because I still had 7 or so months on my Montgomery GI bill. I am doing culinary arts at a junior college here in San Antonio but even with an AAS in culinary arts, there is no money in it (to start). I am probably going to bail out of culinary and maybe do something like GIS or Geological Informations systems which qualifies under the VRAP (I think). I retired in 2005 as a reserve major (got riffed in 92 and joined the reserves). GIS has a starting pay of $31,000 and since I want to move to California and be around my kids, I need a job that pays more than $ 10/per hour as culinary does (although it is fun.) It is kinda hard though.
    Anyway the VRAP works, just do all the necessary steps to get registered and look up the program you want on a VRAP website to make sure that what you want to study is listed as one of the occupations that our society needs
    I have a BA in Psychology and a MA in Aeronautical Management but both of these degrees are not marketable.
    I may start working as a chef but have to become unemployed around July 2013 wink, wink. $ 1,500 a month tax free beats 24 hours at $ 9/hour so I am definitely going to go for it! Remember you have to be UNEMPLOYED when you sign up for it. If it means quitting my lowly paid chef job (which I supposedly start this week) after many years of unemployment since my divorce in 2008 and spending all of my 401K. I never thought this would happen to me but I refuse to give up! I am a 55 year old female who used to make $ 225/day as a reserve major. I was asked to retire in 2005 due to supposedly bipolar disorder (not true) and am currently working on my disability. I know my story seems like a long sob story, actually I have had many successes in the Air Force and probably would have done 20 years active duty if I wasn't unfairly riffed (and we won a lawsuit because it was unfair) riffed (and collecting active duty major or LtCol pay NOW) Instead I have to wait for my retired pay when I am 60!
    If anyone wants to call me and get some counseling, support and advise, my email is pamela_lill@yahoo,com and you can call me at (210) 392-3620. Lastly don;t give up! Just MAKE SURE what you want to study is a 1 year program at the junior college level and is listed on the VRAP websire, do all the paperwork and get your life on the right track. Thats what I am doing!

  286. RobertLeeRE | December 5, 2012 at 2:14 am |

    Also one has to make sure one is in the right demographic group to qualify for this program, The VRAP is for RICH city folk only. If one lives in the country or rural AMERICA there typically is not a huge selection of schools near them and if there is the waiting lists for the better coursework is 1 year or longer so this legislation is worthless to all the Veterans that live in Rural America. the only way I can use this benefit that is suppose to help me is if I up and move across the country, then that doesn't work either because the expenses are so great. This VRAP is bad bad legislation that helps only certain demographic groups, certainly NOT rural America.

  287. for the vrap program you want to use a non profit community college,it's cheaper for the tution for in-state residents rather thanthe profit colleges. if you are unemployed you can not be recieving any unemployment benifits.if so you will not be eliglble for the federal pell grant or the vrap when you apply for the pell grant they will notify the school that you have applied admissions too.they will not notify you ,so you have to periodacally check with the school to see if its approved.you have to be proactive and do your homework.i got to say it was somewhat of a headache but i finally made it in college

  288. Juanita Moreno | January 16, 2013 at 10:50 am |

    I am trying to help my brother, he was in the army 17 1/2 years, rif happened, He was taxed on his rif money, he was then declared disabled miltary vet, it took him 6 yrs to pay back all the rif money, prior to recieving his first vet pay benefits. I have heard recently that, the military with held tax money, from the rif money, yet my brother had to pay back in full, including the tax monney. This is double taxation, The VA rep here is new and dosen't know about the proper forms to submit to get the money back. Can anyone tell me which forms is needed to accomplish this.

  289. No matter if some one searches for his necessary thing, so he/she wants to be available that in detail,

    so that thing is maintained over here.

  290. Gregory Shaw | February 4, 2013 at 5:10 pm |

    Can VRAP be used to acquire a GED (high school diploma)? I called and the girl did not have an answer for me. Thank You..

  291. Bradford Platt | February 21, 2013 at 2:57 pm |

    Hi,
    My name is Bradford Platt, I am unemployed and a Veteran. My vrap was discontinued, I am current attending Centura College as a Medical Billing and Coding student. I would like to know why my Vrap was discountinued. I am in a bad way because of it. Plaeas help.

  292. As of 2011, 44% of all homeless persons in the US were Viet Nam Vets.
    A class action suite by Vietnam Vets may be the only way to bring the needed pressure on the powers that control Educational policy makers. that is to say there needs to be an legal action to repeal the age limitation on the new educational benefits now being offered Vets as well. That policy is pure age discrimination, and as I see it. We Vietnam Vets should know by now, as do the rank and file VA WORKERS KNOW, that Nam Vets got shafted from the get go. (there words not mine)

    Many know by now The policy makers first mistake was making the classification of Vietnam Era Vets, Rather than supporting Vietnam Combat Vets in particular. This act Created a dilution of benefit service limiting the Real Vietnam Vets most in need.

    Adding insult to injury, The VA followed by delegating services out to contracted service organizations. Such receive grants in order to offer us help in transition. yet in fact, like many of the rip off schools (still out there), the service org's were only self serving, after being given millions in grants, they did not provide us reality based services, often such grant based organizations, served only to frustrate us further with false hope of finding good jobs. Many Vets and the public, did /do not realize, that corporate insurance underwriters let it be known to there policy holders, not to keep Viet Nam vets employed for long, as they perceive them insurance risks. There is no fine print, just be able to read between the lines.

    The most unpopular war, marked Viet Nam Vets from the get go..
    From a corporate standpoint we are considered an (at risk group). This perception is vividly true today, Any pride perception (at least in the corporate world) is non existent. Corporations rather wash there hands of us. They feel no pride in keeping us employed, even if we all had P.H.D. s.
    Corporations for most part are expecting government collected taxes, administered by the VA , to deal with our economic and health problems.

    The bottom line is universities should do more to support all vets, rather than leaving many of us in a fix we did not create in the first place. It is not our doing we are unemployed often homeless.
    Our government has long offered tax credits to those hiring us yet this amounts to a shameful Bribe.

    Regardless most businesses don't want the extra money, They wish not to take the risk of higher insurance premiums or policy cancellations simply by doing the right thing and employing us.
    A class action suite would draw attention to Ebenefits age discrimination policy, for the new educational benefits now offered. Educating oneself is a life long process. Seniors attending universities are at record numbers, We over 60 Vietnam Vets should not sit idly by, but rather create class action suits targeting those discriminating against us.

  293. The age discrimination of 60 is wrong. Contact your congressman to have something done.

  294. weturnipseedsr | May 18, 2013 at 3:23 pm |

    It Is My Understanding That This Benefit Is At It's End!

  295. weturnipseedsr | May 18, 2013 at 3:28 pm |

    WE ARE IN POOR CONDITION!

  296. Age requirement is simply wrong. I am a Viet-Nam veteran, 69 going on 70 and would like to attend school and obtain a Medical Surgical certificate but do to age requirement get VRAP benefits. All honorable discharged vets should have a right to this program regardless of age requirements.

  297. I am confused. I was in the Army in 1974 the war was still going on but I wasn't sent over there. It wasn't that I wouldn't have gone it just that they needed me else where I guess. Would I still be considered a Viet Nam vet or what would I call myself?

  298. Alex Gilmore | January 7, 2014 at 12:55 am |

    Be careful because VRAP has screwed me. I started a program that was certified in July of 2013 and three months later the VA discontinued the certification. This is after I took out a $7500 student loan to take the courses. Now I am in default. To top it off the school worked out that if i switched to the other class registration the VA will certify my classes and this is for the exact same course. So i send in my application to the VA in Muskogee Oklahoma and i have a receipt that says they got it at 8:45 am on December 23rd 2013 but as of today they claim they never recieved it. This is despite my having a receipt that says they did. What a screw job. The same people that the IRS used against the tea party must be working for the VA now. No wonder they have had such a low success rate for VRAP.

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