Older Vets to Get GI Bill Benefits

January 21, 2012 | Terry Howell

The President has signed the  VOW to Hire Heroes Act into law. There are several provisions in the law that will have a positive impact on the veteran unemployment rate. The most often reported of these are tax credits for employers who hire veterans and wounded warriors ($5,600/veteran and $9,600/disabled veteran).

However, there is one provision that is not being as widely reported that will come as great news to unemployed veterans over the age of 35 – a new shot at 12 months of the Montgomery GI Bill.

That’s right, the pre-9/11 veterans who often feel as if they have been forgotten, may soon qualify for as much as $17,600 for education and training. This benefit can be used for finishing up a college degree, certification, vocational training, On-the-Job Training and more.

This new benefit could help about 60 percent of the current 850K unemployed veterans. To qualify, veterans must be 35 -60 years old, unemployed, and not currently enrolled (or within the past 6 months) in a state or federal job training program.

The remaining question is, how soon can the VA pull the trigger and start accepting applications.

Stay tuned for updates…

Comments

  1. THIS IS GREAT ESPECIALLY FOR ALL OF US WHO GOT SCREWED WITH THE "VEAP" GI BILL. BACK THEN I DONT THINK ANY OF THE UPPER CHAIN REALLY KNEW OR UNDERSTOOD THE LAWS OF VEAP.WHIC IS WHY IT ONLY LASTED A FEW SHORT YEARS. THEN THEY TRIED THE MGIB. ANOTHER FIEASCO WHICH IS WHY THEY KEPT MAKING AMENDMENTS AND CHAINGES TO IT. SO I HOPE THIS ONE GOES THRU FOR ALL. I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY CHANGED IT FROM THE VIETNAM ERA IT WOULD HAVE SAVED A LOT OF HEART ACHE AND MONEY. IF WE HAD THAT GI BILL GI'S THRU THE YEARS WOULD HAVE USED IT AT THAT PRICE. BUT NOW TO GO BACK AND ADD VEAPERS AND MGIB'S THE PRICE IS NOW 50 TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE. SO IN OTHER WORDS IF I HAD THE VIETNAM ERA I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN MY DEGREE FOR LETS SAY 13,000. NOW THAT SAME DEGEE IS GOING TO COST WELL OVER 50,000. SO IF YOU READ MY ENTRY CORRECTLY I DIDNT USE A GI BILL BECAUSE I DIDNT HAVE ONE. BUT YOU CAN BE SURE I WILL USE IT IF THIS GOES THRU.

    • Again it falls short of helping all vets, I was also in at the time of VEAP, fortunately I am employed right now, so unfortunately I can’t use it. So I am still without money for college.

    • I agree with the VEAP analysis. I fell under that and it was useless. I would have definitely finished a degree if I had the GI bill. There was a window around '90 or '91, after GI Bill was brought back when we could have put a couple of thousand dollars up in lump sum to receive the GI bill, but I didn't have the money and it was either a very small window or I just didn't find out about it until it was a small window. I'm employed but have only very recently become a federal employee as a GS5. With federal cuts looming, every coworker is going back to school under their GI Bill and I'm rather "stranded".

    • I’m a “VEAP Veteran” and I know first hand how weak that program was. It was just enough to get started in school after enlistment ended, but I had to pay for the majority of my education myself. VEAP wasn’t well thought out. I’m glad to see a little more assistance coming to the veterans of the VEAP era.

  2. JESSE CRUZ says:

    For the qualification. $17,600.00 benefits will not be sufficient to support the veteran if he is not employed. Since this is an entitlement, veteran should be receiving irregardless if he is employed or not just like the other GI bill benefits.

    • I too fell under VEAP. I used tuition assistance while in to take a couple of classes while in. If you had invested m oney into VEAP then you were given the opportunity to switch to the Montgomery GI Bill. Or to start investing in so you could have the GI Bill. You had a certain amount of time and money to get started. I did. Finished up my Associates and BS degrees because of myparticipation on VEAP. I was instructed upon discharge that I had 10 yrs to completely use up my education benefits before they expired. I asked the right questions and got the right answers. We ALL had to clear the education center upon discharge. No excuses. In addition the $17,600 is for use now and has nothing to do with VEAP. It’s not to support you but to pay for job training or for you to finish up or complete certifications so that you may find employment.

    • I totally agree with you. Some of us that do have a job and want to finish our degree can't get this neww part of the GI Bill because we are working. This is not fair to all Vets.

  3. aldridge,mitchell says:

    how can my husband get copy of DD 214

  4. JOHNNY DENNIS says:

    SGT DENNIS I WAS NEVER TOLD OF MY BENFITS WHEN ETS ARMY IN 1985 ,NOBODY NEVER EXPLAIN ABOUT GI BILL.

    • Johnny – Everyone who was even minimally participating in their military career knew / knows about the GI Bill and at least the basic eligibility information. Were you asleep all of the time!!?? Hard to believe you wereNEVER told anything or that you NEVER even took then initiative to better yourself. Sorry for the rant but I couldn't let this one pass by unchallenged, John.

  5. When I EASd I applied for loans to go to college. I was told by two college campus' that since I hadn't been out 19 months and had job skills that I wasn't able to apply for certain federal loans. This was in the early 90s and the maximum Chapt 30 payment was approx $350/mo for a full time student. Not nearly enough to pay for a Jr. College let alone help out with living expenses and housing. Went to work full time, enrolled p/t time college with 1 or 2 classes a semester but it took me almost 8 years that route. By then my work experience has greatly out paced the value of a college degree.

  6. badbobusnret says:

    Yo, read the fine print:

    "To qualify, veterans must be 35 -60 years old, unemployed, and not currently enrolled (or within the past 6 months) in a state or federal job training program."

    Another social engineering program, with the Veteran as stooge this time, targeted for those who would vote for them.

    BTW, I am a pre-911 vet. Bills like this is why we are broke and will continue to be broke as a Nation.

  7. Jerry Stephens says:

    Why did they stop this at age 60?? I would like to take a couple of college courses that would help me find work but I can't afford them. I am 67 yr old.

    • I was thinking the same thing.

    • Check with your local state university. Mine offers free classes to anyone over the age of 60. They have to register after regular students do, so you may not be able to take every class you want. But free is free! Good luck.

  8. Hate to say it, but there are thousands of vets out there who chose not to use their GI Bill Ed benefits within 10 yrs of their discharge. I used mine while on active duty because there was no TA assistance at the time. Now, if you are unemployed and without an education-whose fault is that?? Retraining older vets will be costly and the return of that investment will be minimal in the number of years that the vet will work, specially those over 50+. I'm 63, retired Navy and still working. I guess I'm lucky am working and still paying taxes. I say, give the money to the vets that have a real need-some will chose again not to use it.

    • After I retired I was too busy trying to make ends meet. I did try to go to college, but every course I had taken while in the army was , "too old, not a prepped, not allowwed/accepted by our…'

      Anyway since they paid for the course "after you complete it" – it was food+rent+gas OR college. For two years I worked three jobs, one full time and two part time, and then attended college i the afternoons, because without a college degree the better paying positions were offered. to siomeone with on. My wife worked and raised the kids while daddy spent less time with them than he did while in europe in the Border Cav.

      Then when I was about to start my third year – the college "changed their curriculum" and invalided my courses as they applied to my major. I wasn't even able to get a minor from the courses I had taken.

      I did find that there were good paying jobs out there that did not require a degree. The leave your family behind, work hard overseas for big bucks but lonely ones like oil rig work and Alaskan Pipeline in-the-winter jobs.
      Might as well stayed in the army.

    • Ditto

    • i retired in 1993 served in Viet Nam in 1967, river patrol unit out of dong tam called the RAG's, i served from 1964 to 1970 then re-enlisted in 1974 to 1993. Back then using your GI bill was like pulling teeth from a wild lion, you would have to submit eligibility documents 5 or 6 times because they would lose them or dispute them, so many Nam vets ended up frustrated and gave up. I don't totally agree with your statement of (whose fault is that??) the government's RED TAPE hindered many to the point of giving up and that is what that system was designed to do. I also disagree with your statement of retraining older vet's, it's been my experience that they need less training than younger vet's, older vet's in most cases just need an update and not always total training. The only reason employers won't hire older people in general is based on health and medical policy. I am 65 and retired but still do training for small companies that need new hires to be productive and effiecient.

      • In 1993 it wasn’t like pulling teeth. You had benefits that all Schools knew had to get for you. All you had to do was show up and sign. They would submit the paperwork for you. No excuses.

        • Good for you desiree. Now that you have patted yourself on the back again, go **** yourself! You remind me of the ****** up NCOs that only looked after themselves, and didn’t take care of their soldiers. You are an arrogant piece of ****.

      • VQ1AganaGuam says:

        Too true. I was active USN from 1975-1979 and got out in July. Went straight to NCSU to enroll in the EE program and as soon as they saw that I was a vet I got the stink eye. Where's your SAT scores? Oh, we won't take them — you've been in the service. You have to take 'our special' SAT test here. And no, you can't enroll now. Admission closed months ago. You can wait 18 months and try again. Yeah, right. Living with the in-laws, working a near-minimum wage job because I didn't have 'paper' and NO help from the VA. Lost papers, delayed papers, pay-for-it-all-up-front and wait months for the checks to start coming. Thanks a lot. And those 10 years went by fast. Bye-bye benefits. Now that I have the time and willingness to finish my degree tuition costs are like getting a home mortgage. I really want to take on $150,000 in debt at age 54 to get a diploma that will only make me 'equal' with all the 20 year olds fresh out of school. Thanks a lot.

    • cayugalaker says:

      WOW, what a jerk!!………….nice to hear that YOU are doing well, however,……………jackass.

    • i was too busy raising children to totally use mine, and now all those credits are pretty much useless because they are too old

    • Many who did not use their Ed benifits did so because they were gainfully employed and had no reason to double dip. How would they know tat manufacturing itself would become Americas largest export? There pensions slashed to the bare bone as the U.S, Gov picked up hundreds of billions in Insolvent pensions left be unsroupulous corporations.Well if they didn't use the benifits the monet should still be there right! I als bet you are a civil servent expanding the udder ever so much. You,sir are nothing but self serving!

  9. Age 60? Guess that washes out the Vietnam era vets. There are many who never used any of their benefits. Any many won't retire for another 8 years. In fact, I never used all my educational benefits before the time expired. How could you when working full time and in the Reserves.

  10. This is a very good deal. It's a good way to give older Veterans who are out of work another chance. They deserve it, whether they served in peacetime or stood in the gap prepped for the Cold War to go Hot. They have been super supportive of us OEF/OIF Vets. And we have gotten such a GREAT deal with the Post 9/11 GI Bill that it's only fair that the guys who came before us get something too. Yes, it will cost, but the original GI Bill was an investment which more than returned its price in powering our economy.

  11. I was using the Vietnam era GI bill and I was in school and needed my GI bill and they said they were arbitrarily ending it so I couldn't finish in school because they wouldn't let me have my last year of the GI bill I was eligible for. I wanted and needed that last year for training and they stole it from me.

  12. I'm 62 so I guess I can just go off in some corner and die…

    • "No! File anyway, Jim. You can write a request for a waiver because of your ageand, the timing and, passing of the bill." Don't for get too get a letter from from a rep-of the "Red Cross" suporting your claim. Are you a memeber of a local church? "Well, ask them for a letter also, the more, the merry. We did not train you too go off en lay down en did.. I did this very samething back-in-the 1980s. The "Red Cross" is there for more then you realize my friend. Plus the word "NO" will not kill thy. If you were working all of these pass years, sick, raising a family, keeping food on the table, roof over they're heads, cloths on their back. you had no time too use your "GI Bill!!"

    • This should be for all vets. they forgot us that are 61 and older.

  13. where do we sign up?

  14. Thanks to a VA a rep who passed on some bad information to me when I received my disability. I could have use my benefit it the time, however I was told that my time was extented due to receiving 30 % disability. Why the age of 60? Why not all Vets who are able to improve the lively hood?

  15. My GI Bill expired before I used it all up. I need two or three more classes to get an Associates. I can't afford the outrageous tuition costs right now. This would have helped me out a lot, but alas, I have a job….

    • You had 10 years to completely use up all educational benefits before they expired.

      • Not everyone had 10 years. I got out in 1985 and started college immediately while working full time. But Congress ended the Vietnam-era GI bill on Dec 31, 1989. So I had less than 5 years and did not finish my degree.

  16. Viet Nam Vets need not apply…………………….You have to just love this, send us in to combat without ammo. I guess the BS will never stop…………

    • If I was good enough to go to Vietnam and be shot at while other complaining individuals sat on their asses and reap the benefits then certainly I should be given an opportunity to advance myself no matter what age I am, I am still a veteran!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Semper Fi

    • Wait a minute! If you were Vietnam era you were under the original and best GI Bill. But like all educational benefits whether then or now you have to contribute to get it. If you didn’t that’s on you. And if you did then decided to pull your money out that’s on you too. The max effective range of an excuse is zero!

      • Wow, you really are on top of it. If you weren’t such a bitter b**ch, people might be interested in what you have to say.

      • You must be very young or uninformed as the Vietnam GI bill was free to active duty service members of that era.

  17. Nobody explained it to me either. I lost out because of it. I'm 63 so ……..

    • Your right, being 61 or older there isn't any help for us. We were called and went in and served are country. We need help also.

  18. My question is why do I have to be unemployed? Why not help improve where we are by giving us a chance to improve our current positions with more education. Doesn't seem like a stretch to me.

  19. As a Viet Nam Era Vet who stayed for career retiring in Ovt 1986, my VA Education Benefit expired 10 yeays after separation or in 1987 whichever came first. I had less than two years to use it or lose it as they said. Not fair? True, but remember we didn't have the public support back then like we do following 9-11.

    • actually if you retired in 1986 your ED. Benefits would have expired in 1996, and could have gone beyond by 6 to 12 month's depending on your completion date.

  20. Having a degree doesn't mean jack! I graduated cum laude with a BA in Public Administration and am stuck as a janitor at a State college because I'm not "connected". People here with many years experience get rolled over because somebody's son/nephew always gets the job. The union bosses are "in bed' with management. Even if you leave the union, the $ is still taken out of your pay.

  21. Hold the phone here – the talk here indicated Fed G.I. Bill only option – Many states have State programs that reduce or outright waive fees for vets from their state – Education oppotunities are there but you have to seek them out.

  22. I'm employed which I'm Extremely Grateful For, but would really like to take advantage of this opportunity to complete the degree I started, but never completed.

  23. Interesting they use 35-60 for age limit but for Loss of Tricare Prime working age veterans is considered 35-65. If they give you money they lower age if they take it away they raise age.

  24. Mortimer Snerd says:

    I think those guys in the photo should all be allowed to get a GED HS equivalency. Of course, if the test asked who is the current President of the United States they would all answer LBJ. After getting their GED, they should all demand high paying jobs in the federal government. I'd go for Fanny Mae or one of the Green Projects sponsored by Obama. These guys all look like executive material to me. Hope they all have addresses where the feds can reach them for job offers.

  25. Help are Veterans that are 61 and older that can use this benefit to improve there lives and go back to work. Don't forget Us!

  26. unfortunately for a lot of vets to include myself in the era of pre internet a lot vets did not know there was a ten year time limit i plan to over use my lost out on benefits

  27. The benefit package is sucker bait , read the fine print and every one takes it back before or most of it back before you get anything. example-agent orange exposure. The gov knows to a knats tail who was in country , where they were stationed ,and who was exposed including how much fuel was used to spray the crap. But if you want to file your just due claim you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that your records match thiers. This is just more of the same ol bs. The sad part is there isn't anything you can do. They know exactly who they are cutting out when they drew the line at 60. Most of us went to vietnam because it was the law and were exposed to a lot of things we didn't agree with . Agent orange is a proven killer, if it kills plants then most likely it will damage you and thats a fact.

  28. Tom Nelson says:

    Thomaas Nelson USMC Ret.
    Why is the cutoff at 60 yrs old, hell I'd love to go to a tech school and I'm 80. But like so many thgs in life the authorities have the say,""use it or lose it"" When I was elegible I couldn't afford to go as I had a family to feed and by the time I could go I was no longer eligible. It seems to me if one did over 20 in the Military, there shd. be no time limit
    .

    • Retired 11C says:

      I think that the government believes that the younger generation need to get a life so that there be better tax revenues generated so we can feed all those illegal aliens. Besides, they want us to feel the pain when they cut all our social security benefits and medicare, tricare and colas…you know…punish
      us for having such a lavish retired life:-)

    • Thanks for your Service Thomaas. Hell, @ 20+ in the mil YOU ought to at Least get what Congress gets for Benefits!
      Semper Fi

  29. Does this include spouses of older Vets as well?

  30. Best Gunner B.2/16 says:

    I remember in Wis. & Ill. they avertised on radio for W.I.C.-Welfare-Food Stamps, and all other forms of give aways ! I HAD TO GET TO WORK ! Buy gas, food, car,pay rent ! School students – called us baby killers ! Remember ! NEVER seen a baby in our Body Counts !! (0ur Co.# 760) 1st. Inf. 2/16 th. RANGERS. Ambush Battalion . I wasn't a cook !! Had job -G.T.&E. held when I got back ! Got home Fri. Went to work Mon. Thank God ! PAID MORE IN TAXES A WEEK ALMOST THAN I GOT A MN. IN Nam !! D A M !!!

  31. "Use it or lose it" was a raw deal written by a bunch of millionaires who receive LIFETIME benefits for very little service. We all know that guys separated from service with families to take care of- no ability to stop earning a living to go back to school. As a VEAP vet, I know a bad deal when I see it.
    For those who would like retraining, especially those out of work, please fill out your FAFSA. There is 5500 a year available for the unemployed, which more than pays for your community college education.

    • I am a Vietnam era vet, with 25 years of service. I too worked after service and only was able to go to school sporadically, not using much of my G. I. Bill. Now it is long expired and I NOW want to go back to school, but can't afford it. I think this was part of the plan when it was created, saving the government millions of dollars.

    • I am getting FAFSA but it only makes a dent in my $18,000 a year tuition for a technology degree.

  32. This would be great, for all the Vets that had no choice but to go to work back then and find a job, I pray this is a GO!

    • Retired 11C says:

      Me too…I wouldn't qualify but for my younger brothers that got bogged down
      with raising children and paying off that home and paying their kids through college instead of deadbeat dads who went to school and still living with mom**LOL** OK just kidding, I think that will get the taxes flowing again and
      this way we can feed our kids and grand kids because the economy got bad!
      Oh yeah, that applies to the sisters too:-)

  33. robert starr says:

    I'm a vietnam area vet.usmc 74-76 i used my benifits in that period. i've served my country in the army reservers & nyang 80-06.1 tour iin iraq, Retired E-7.Raised a family, worker 4 NYSDOC & retired in 09. its not imposibile!!!! iI did this all in the same 30 yrs.Don't ask me how? But i still want 2 go bk 2 school,i think this shoukd be a good progam……p.s. I'm 56

  34. Why should there be a cutoff? If you are able and up to it you should also be qualified for the new bill.I am a female and 63 . I am quite able to attend school. Do they think dementia sets in after 60 for everyone?I have been trying to go back to school for my Masters but have no money. I did get my Bachelors through Voc Rehab.

  35. If you are at least 20% disabled Voc Rehab will pay even after your GI bill is up.

    • Not true. They review each case individually and later inform you of their decision. Many do not get acceptance. The burden of proof is on you to show that your service connected disability impacts your employability.

    • The awarding of Voc Rehab is very subjective. I am a 50% disabled vet that became unemployed and when I applied I was denied because "I needed to be unemployed longer" however no time period is established in their regulations.

    • Voc Rehab Counselor says:

      Vocational rehabilitation decisions are subjective; but decisions should be made within the guidance of regulations and law. A veteran only need to be rated 10% for eligibility, and then entitlement is determined by the vocational rehabilitation counselor. A 10% disabled veteran must be found to have a 'serious employment handicap'. Easy to apply…fill out a 28-1900 and send it to your Regional VA office, attn: Vocational Rehabilitation and Employment or fill out the on-line application through the VA website under the benefits tab, under Vocational Rehabilitation Counseling. There is no rule that a person needs to be unemployed in able to be found 'entitled'; but as mentioned each case is reviewed on its own merits. The program is not for 'advancement'…so if that is the intention, the veteran may be found not entitled. If the current employment is not feasible because of service connected disabilities or service connected disabilities are aggravated; then chances are probably in your favor for approval. Good luck

  36. One thing I think most on here are missing is the fact that you have to be unemployed in order to utilize this benefit? That is just crazy. I served between 88-96 and served in the Desert Shield/Storm yet I still do not qualify for any of these benefits. Why because I was able to find employment? Does that mean that I'm not worthy of furthering my education to ensure that I'm able to hold on to my job or must I wait it out get and fired because I couldn't take the courses I need to gain more knowledge then go back to school and hope someone take a flier on a guy that was unemployed for x number of years in order to go back to school cause that is the only way I could afford it?

    • You have a freaking job moron if you're job requires more education then they should pay for it if not get another job and quit whining.

      • Retired 11C says:

        That was a very considerate response Timmy! Did you have something constructive to give to the forum besides expletives?

    • If you served during that time all you had to do was contribute to the Mont. GI Bill. You were worthy but not Willling to receive your benefits.

  37. I had VEAP and it made so little I pulled it out. Then I got the shock of not being eligible for GI Mont-anything. I have a job, I've a 50% VA Dis, but I am trying to get a BA in Arts/Animation and the final bill will be around 97K. Found out last month my Fed Loan cap will cap around 2014/15 so I will need about 15K to complete. I hope they review the 'restrictions' on this plan and allow myself, a 20yr Sailor a chance to take advantage of this opportunity and use something I sorely missed and was deprived…

  38. I don't know exactly how this is supposed to pan out, but if this involves vets who opted to not pay the $100/mo buy-in for the MGIB, I have a real problem with it. If it's a case of, you had the chance to get the MGIB and declined it, you should not be able to get it now free of charge. It's a slap in the face to every service member who paid their $100/mo for 12 mo to get the MGIB.

    Further- use it or lose it… You knew about this going in. If you made life decisions that prevented you from using it in the allotted time, that is your fault. Stop putting the blame on anyone else. It was there for you to use for 10 years after your last day in uniform. I highly doubt there is ANY reason ANYONE can give that does not ultimately lead back to a choice THEY made for not using the MGIB. The point is to give service members a chance to get back into the work-force at a better place with a degree. If you decided to have a family and get a career, and now after you're retired you want to go to school; too damn bad. You don't NEED the education anymore- you aren't getting into the work force, you are coming out of the work force.

    I'm tired of hearing vets whine about being "shorted" something as a result of a personal decision they made. This crap wasn't an excuse when you were in- you dealt with and lived with the results of the decisions you made. Try reapplying those valuable lessons you learned in the military to your life once again. It will make you a better individual. All this complaining makes me sick.

    • My Company Commander in boot camp (1979) told us not to enroll because it was not worth it. None of us did.

      • Ditto. Not only did our Air Force basic training TI advise against it, but my recruiter did, too. I don't know about the rest of you, but when I was 18 years old, and two older, experienced, active duty NCO's advised against something, I took their advise. Wonder if Nate made any bad decisions when he was 18? Judging by his post, probably not since he's so perfect.

      • Jarhead1183 says:

        Well, that is your fault for not doing your own research

    • I applied for the MGIB well within the 10 year period after date of last discharge and the VA GI Bill people in Muskogee, OK denied my request even though I had a copy of their instruction in my hand, downloaded from their website. Why? Because I was a Vietnam veteran that was forced to convert to the MGIB (Vietnam era GI Bill was much better) and the pencil-necked VA geek told me that broken service counted against my 10 years even though that was not mentioned in the instruction, nor was that same broken service counted against veterans of subsequent eras. So we're not all whiners moron. I lost because I trusted their written word and because I was Vietnam era – go figure. Now I'm considered too old because I'm over 60 — I'm employed on my third career, earning my third pension…..I've done quite well without depending on the bureaucratic VA…..

    • I'm one of those and I agree with you. I would like to see a provision that would allow people in my boat to pay $2000 to enroll in it now though.

      • How many other veteran's around our service period received the GI Bill for free, is it just for us unlucky ones you and the other guys want to collect from or is it from all veterans who have always received these benefits just for service. This is something that has always been deserved, but long in coming and it should be for a complete degree not just a one year program, but thankful for the start anyway.

    • Served 82-85. Remember standing in formation when this came out was handed paper told If you have enrolled VEAP just decline it. It wasn't explained adequately, given 2 minutes to sign papers after a 5 minute explanation yelled by First Sergeant to a company sized formation in howling wind. I remember it because later I found out how important it was. I am sure that I am not the only person that made this "choice" as you call it. You make me sick buddy.

      • I too was a casualty of VEAP and feel I got screwed! I have a pretty good memory and don't ever remember being offered an alternative. I took my $8100 out of VEAP in 88 because the program was so useless!

    • I did not take advantage of the MGIB when I got out in 88 because I never had any intention of going back to school. I was in construction for 22 years making a good living and then housing went belly up. I have now been unemployed for 8 months and am back in school, not by choice but by neccessity. I would love to get a little help with the $70,000 tuition I am looking at.

    • do you have any idea what you are talking about. I would bet you never served a day in your life, probably a draft dodger

    • I guess I am a whiner too….I was in the middle of my sophomore year in school when I pulled out due to my mother dying of cancer, and feeling it was more important to take a job to afford more frequent visits before she passed. My GI Bill expired before I was able to go back. The idea of getting another chance to go back and finish my engineering degree is one I would love. If not, being that I was a D student in High School, at least she got to see my Deans List letter I got just before I found out her cancer had come back.

    • Nate, you must have never served during the timeframe when most of those caught in the VEAP/MGIB was being "converted". So your obvious disdain for servicemembers has really shown itself quite well.

      I will gladly take this opportunity to finish a degree that was started a few years ago. Who the hell are you to wrap all of us prior service veterans as lazy people who failed to use a program that may not have been available to hundreds of thousands of us.

      You are probably one of the street vermin of the #OWS variety that are making our country look like a bunch of sniveling whiners in the streets.

      BTW..#EFF U

      • Chris Gilliard says:

        Tonygreene 113: I doubt very seriously that anyone associated with the OWS movement would be against any veteran receiving educational benefits. OWS is about addressing the inequality in the wealth in this country. Turn off Fake News they're lying.

      • Christopher B. says:

        Careful tonygreene113………with that OWS comment, you are almost sounding as idiotic as that "Nate" person!

        Really……..what does the Occupy Wall street movement have to do with GI Bill benefits for older veterans? Not a whole lot so lets stick to the issue at hand without confusing the 2 very separate issues.

    • Retired 11C says:

      "If you decided to have a family and get a career, and now after you're retired you want to go to school; too damn bad. You don't NEED the education anymore- you aren't getting into the work force, you are coming out of the work force."

      That sort of statement is totally out of line. You have no Idea what choice a service person had coming out of uniform. The responsibility to keep paying bills and finish raising a family is priority one. With the changing economy and the need to keep working later in life, self improvement is necessary at all ages. I suppose you cannot see that! Second thought,
      you have the capacity of a bugger eating moron! Hope your retirement papers in order young man!

    • Nate, I am a VEAPer that opted not to pay into the VEAP fund and used a combination of active duty Tuition Assistance (TA) and civilian employer-provided TA, but I would never classify or categorize my fellow veterans as whiners or deadbeats. We served collecting terrible pay, spent time away from our families, and willingly made sacrifices that our civilian counterparts wouldn't even dream of making–so I think we as veterans deserve a little more respect than to be dismissed as crybabies. I will admit this is a benefit we can't afford and this appears to be an attempt to buy votes, but don't let ideology create disdain for the true patriots who served this nation without question.

    • Yes! Amen!

    • Nate – STFU -AH ! Anything that gives Vets a benefit should be for life, I used a bunch of my GI Bill but still left a bunch of money unused because my 10 years ran out. I was busy having kids, starting a business and doing all of those things that we are supposed to do as good citizens. I would be thrilled to get mor etime to use the benefits I accrued to get an MBA or even a PhD. Anything the governement can do to help veterans will eventually lead to a greater society , veterans led the way in the fight and we are leaders in society.

    • Christopher B. says:

      Nate for someone who is so "tired of hearing vets whine about being "shorted" something as a result of a personal decision they made" you CERTAINLY don't seem to have an issue using this forum to COMPLAIN AND WHINE!

      Besides you, who really cares if you have a problem with this new GI Bill development even "if this involves vets who opted to not pay the $100/mo buy-in for the MGIB?"

      The VA, or any other parts of the world, does not revolve around you. In fact you sound very bitter and resentul at those of us who did decide to "have a family, get a career" and now may actually want to go back to school in order to improve our lot in life.

      It is NOT our fault that you were not fortunate, decent or pleasant enough to create a family, have a career and have the common sense to want to go farther in your rotten, sorry little life BUT as you said in your comment "too damn bad" for you but you are being COMPLETELY DISRESPECTFUL to the older veterans who have busted their asses protecting this country just like you hopefully did when you were in. But you strike me as a lazy, irresponsible, disrespectful jerk who needs his butt kicked for being so disrespectful to our older veterans. UNBELIEVABLE! YOU SUCK!

    • Chris Gilliard says:

      People who think like you cause societies to fail.

    • I was 17 years old when I signed up in 1981. My recruiter at that time didn't put much of an emphasis on furthering my education nor did anyone else because my military job would be in high demand and I would make lots of money when I got out. It didn't work out as told. This would be a great help as I lost my $32 an hour contract security job with the Dept. of Homeland Security 2 1/2 years ago. I can't even get an interview putting happy face stickers on little kids at Walmart! There are circumstances that that kick in besides "opting out" for the sheer hell of it like you describe Nate.

    • REAL MAN SPEAKING says:

      Let me tell you something Nate, I am one of those vets that you are hammering on. I served from 82-92 on active duty. During that time, I spent six, thats right, six full years at sea, then took recruiting duty for three years just so I could get my feet dry. I enlisted about 110 recruits into my Navy. Never once did I advise a recruit to use their GI Bill as soon as their enlistment was done. We were not trained as recruiters to advise about a termination date for GI Bill Benefits. I personally did not think I had to use mine within ten years. Some us got out and got into different careers and didn't think about using the Bill, until we needed it and then we are told tough luck! I tried to get mine, but the VA seems to think I had a break in my service and they disqualified me. I did not have a break in service, I reenlisted at sea once and signed a few extensions, I also re-upped to get recruiting duty. The V.A. can't figure out that all they would need to do is check my pay history. No break in that! Let me tell you something else, the V.A. isn't willing to help their sick veterans either. I was discharged needing dental work completed, which is documented on my dd214 by the way. So jumped through the hoops and got signed up with the V.A. for health care. They won't help with the dental, in the meantime, I have fillings falling out, laminates disintegrating and cavities you could park a truck in. THey don't care if I am in pain or not. They did do something me though, they made sure I got a truckload of nicotine gum! And by the way I enlisted in the Navy Reserves in 2000 and got out in 2003 so I have a total of thirteen years service. I also want you to know that at fifty years old, I am in college earning a degree so that I can back up my several years in retail with paper and perhaps I can get back into the work force doing more than manual labor, which is mostly what I did in the service, my punishment for being honest at the Meps station when I enlisted, but I'll save that story for another day. I guess I'll close with this thought Nate, If our government is going to give free education to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and our government is going to give free health care to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS then why do you have a problem with our government giving these things to veterans who proudly served their country? Just where is your head old fella?

      • proud vets wife says:

        Amen to that!

      • Lady Retiree says:

        I have been saying this all along! How dare our government give free education and medical to Illegals, and our vets can't even get money for an English class. It is nothing more than a slap in the face for those who risk lives for this country. Your post is right on the money. As far as I am concerned, the education should be Free. It is well deserved and earned!

    • Nate, wow! Life doesn't fall into such neatly planned ways as you suggest. My husband is 64, has worked all his life, has also gone to school…we married later in life, had a long struggle to have our son (10 years of struggle) with the blessing of a son when most of our peers were going to high school graduation ceremonies. So at 64 he can't just retire and lost his job with the economy crash…worked as a carpenter for high end residential remodelling…so needs to still work and STILL FEEL GOOD ABOUT HIMSELF!!!!! He is not whining….does not complain….not every older man is coming out of the work force. Maybe take a tiny little step off your soap box, ok! Just giving you a little different perspective Nate….ps. Nate was on our list of favorite boy names!!!!

    • @Nate – "It's a slap in the face to every service member who paid their $100/mo for 12 mo to get the MGIB". Nate, you are dumb a$$, no…you really are just a dumb a$$.

    • Nate may be a putz and has totally forgotten the only reason anyone gets to serve is because of the servicemen who went before. But that doesn't change the fact he has a right to his opinion. Thankfully the democracy on the constitution allows for the greater majority of people to decide on things. So one who isn't happy doesnt really mean squat to many who can be happy with this.

    • Tanya Doran says:

      My husband was using it so as not to lose it, when he suffered an Aortic Dissection. It is now past the time he had to use it or lose while he has been recovering. He still has a long ways to fully recover and I for one believe that he should be able to use the GI Bill that he had left and paid for when he does regain the ability to do so. Sorry not everyone "chose" to not use it through any decision of their own. He had one year and 2 months til he had his BS in the Computer Sciences. Why shouldn't he be able to finish school when he has recovered enough to do so, using what he had left of his GI Bill?

    • Robert Smalinckas says:

      You're anal retentive!

    • Complaining? I think you done enough complaining for us all…so I will just get in line. While you sit on the fence at Belly Acres Farm

    • Man why are so damn angry chill out. I admit I messed up and I am not whining at all I made a mistake it was a oversight on my part.I obtained such a high paying job when I exited the military and my wife used her GI bill to attend nursing school while I worked two jobs and help raise three kids that I did not realize there was a 10 year limit on when I could use the GI Bill but I did serve 8.5 faithful years was deployed and did contribute to the GI bill why should I be penalized because I did not use it in the first ten years truth be told I did not need school at the time and with so much going on it would have been hard for me to go to school and handle buisness in the class room like I would have needed to.Im sure there are other Vets that have commented that feel slighted also but all I know is this there are people that have never worked a regular job in there much less the military that sit on there ass and get welfare,free housing or reduced housing,food stamps,free medical care,earned income tax rebate so what is so wrong about assisting those that have served there country get a education.

    • You bring up good points but, you missed one generation the VEP, that replaced the old GI bill was no good and when a military member wanted to enroll, admin did not know what the VEP program was about. So those that got out as I did I left with no educational benefit. So I fight for those who were cheated out of this GI bill benefit! (Vocational Eduction Program) only last for a couple of years and was drop with no real GI bill to replace it. This was between 1980 to 1984?

    • Many vets over the age of 60 are NOT getting out of the workforce. At least not voluntarily. Many still need jobs, education, job retraining, etc. Yes, many missed the initial deadline for the MB. However, that doesn't discount their service or their current needs. Stop thinking that retirement pay will cover living expenses. It's not true. Asking for what's right isn't complaining. It's standing up for your beliefs. And that's what the serving was all about. Better to stand united in support for ALL veterans if getting anything for anyone is the desired outcome.

    • Who are you to complain about Veterans, especially combat wounded veterans, who were sent to fight a war they did not start. You sound like Dick Chaney or George Bush the ones who started the war based on LIES, and then made large amounts of money from the companies that profited from the war eg Halliburton, Blackwater and Kellog-Root & Brown.These companies made Hundred's of Billions while the veterans made pennies.

    • Steven Ray says:

      Nate
      You call others complainers what do you think you are doing? Not everyone is a genius like you and these individuals may have had other oblations at the time their original benefits ran out! I hear characters like you every day jealous that someone may be getting some benefit. Why don’t you grow up and try to contribute something useful in your comments. I encourage any veteran to use every single benefit available to them to improve their lives at any time.
      Steven

    • You know what, I happen to have another view. I paid into the MGIB my entire 12 months. I got out of the service April 30 1997 and applied to get my benefits in 2004, (I was only about 5 semesters away from getting my degree.) I was denied my benefits because I was involutarily seperated 24 days shy of the 36 month time in service requirement. The real kicker is that the reason I was denied; because I had to have my DD214 changed to allow me to get unemployment. The original reason code enabled me to all of my VA benefits, including the MGIB. AND, I specifically asked before I allowed the code to be changed if I would still get my VA benefits, and was told I would. Now you tell me, how is that fair? Explain to me how I'm whining?

    • baby killer says:

      You sound like the typical gung ho "lifer" or probably never saw combat. When I got out I was spat upon and called a baby killer – going to school really wasn't fun once they found out you were a vet on g.i. bill – one teacher actually said – "if you are a Vietnam veteran, don't expect to pass my class!".
      So why don't you take your self righteous bullshit and fade away…

    • When I got out of the military in 1983, I was supposed to have 10 years to use my GI Bill. Congress in their infinite wisdom decided to end the GI Bill I fell under 2 years after I was out. I was given notice that I had 4 years to use my GI Bill benefits. That means I had to apply at a college, get accepted, and pay for all my expenses up front as they expected at least a 6 month back log before they would start paying anybody. I could not afford that. I was only able to use 2 years of my promised GI Bill before congress cut me off. I served my time and expected the government to honor their obligation to me. I feel that they still owe me 2 years since they did not honor the original agreement. Before you judge others behavior, be sure you know what the circumstances are first. Not everyone's decision was a personal choice.

    • Jack Harden says:

      Well you must know all the stories before crying and whinning Vets. I was under the old VEAP program that on the form stated I couold contribute at any time while on active duty. Then the House and Senate change it all to the MGIB. So if you had any money at all even $1.00 you could enroll into the MGIB. But if you had not contributed you were shit out of luck. Now how was that fair? I even wrote to my Senator at the time Carl Levin of Michigan, and his response to me was sorry we had to draw the line some where. What really? There were about 3,000 of us Air Force members still on active duty that feel into this unjustfull act of Congress. I even sent Sen. Levin a copy of my VEAP paper work stating we could contribute at any time. Now why couldn't we be allowed at that time? I would have already competed the contributions and used it for furthering my education. But they did it all so fast there was no warning time. But what should I have expected from such a liberal as Carl Levin. So i suggest know what you are talking about before lashing out.

  39. WHY age 60 cut off? Hosed again!

  40. Ivan W. Emmanuelli says:

    I have a BA and and a Masters in Ministry. I would love to finish a doctorate in Clinical Psychology. I need to know what I can get convalidated. The picture doesn’t loo to bad at distant education o vocal. Rehab. Again my interest; to see what can I get convalidated and why at distance education.
    I would like to teach secondary or JC which with my 70% disabiljty is NT beyond reach with a doctorate

  41. Jerry H Jolly says:

    i also am ofver 60 retured after 20 yrs army service married 2 children had to wordk of let family go hungry why is the cut off 60 yrs old i am 70 % disabaled

  42. Jerry H Jolly says:

    over 60 yrs old 20 yrs active duty had to work married 2 children to feed 70% disabled would like to go back to school

    • jerry h jolly…have you applied for the Veterans Vocational and Rehab program. you more than qualify with your disability rating. this program pays your tuition, books, supplies which sometimes includes a laptop computer. get in touch with your state's veterans organiztion. texas has the TX Veterans Commission. each state is different. you would profit more from this program than the MGIB.

  43. george clark says:

    looks like this do nothing president has done it again,well when I returned from three and a half years in vietnam I was called everything but a human being,and it looks as though if you served in nam you are on your own,thank god most of us were not liberals because we know how to survive without public or government support.We would just like for one president or congress to acknowledge what we gave to this country,and to date none have,and this looser that is in office never will and thoes of us that served will never accept any empty words or recognition from a true looser with no respect whatever for military service.When you get a former military vet to be president then we can consider accknowledgement.

    • First, thank you for your service. Second, it is a shame there is a cutoff age for this program. While I am 51 and would qualify, I think this needs to be amended to include all vets.

    • Robin Williams says:

      Try not to be so bitter. It is all about Karma. Ever heard of it. Good begets good. Try it. You may like it. Also try not to disrespect our President. Ask yourself what kind of job would you do if you were in his shoes.

    • Can you say Commander In Chief? Where is the law directing that to be a good President, (leader) you had to have endured boot-camp? Over ten years of "secret" warfare in Laos was was led by the Central Intelligence Agency; every one of them a civilian. Who do you think is on the ground long before any military troops arrive into a battle zone, to include the Middle East. Mr. Clark, I suppose if you would leave "your" politics out of this issue you might have a better understanding of the contributions of "civilians." And if you choose to pursue your politicized agenda in this blog, you may want to consider how many so-called "conservatives" on Wall Street received bailouts from Mr. Obama and congress.

      Thank you for your service,

      Semper Fi

    • From one vet to another….Thank You! Now, here is a little something to ponder. You're able to criticize others openly because of this little thing called freedom of speech that both you and I and vets before us fought for. Now you are doing the same thing that was done to you and other Vietnam vets returning from the war. Yes, we all have the right to freedom of speech but as the old saying goes, if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all.

    • The Vietnam era GI Bill was wonderful, the Post 9/11 GI Bill is just great, those who served in the between were screwed.
      The tax credit portion applies regardless of when you served.
      As for acknowledging our service, this one has. As for what I can tell, all have. After that we're just looking for something? Not sure what.

      • I am thankful I was able to use tuition assistance while in the Air Force to earn a 4-year degree. I served during the 80's, so I was pretty much in-between post-service benefits. Going to school while active duty was hard, you had to pretty much give up your free time. But leaving the military with both experience & an education was priceless.

  44. I was a U.S. Marine between 1976 – 1980,.covered by VEAP, so I was not eligible for the Montomery Bill. I was Honorably Discharged to attend the Air Force ROTC Officer Candidate program and used part of my VEAP benefits. I was commissioned April 1982 and returned to active duty in September 1982. Still under the VEAP program I was still not eligible for Montgomery. When I was RIF'd into early retirement in 1995 I attempted to use my remaining VEAP benefits, only to be told that they expired because my switch to the Air Force, thru the ROTC program, was classified as a "break in service" and the VEAP was not grandfathered . I am 63 years old, currently collecting Georgia unemployment (while working several hours part-time in an automotive parts store) and would love to obtain my Masters in History, at an on-line university. I do not see that happpening with the VA. I am 40% service connected disabled and VA has been under paying me for my disability. It is 6 months since I filed for a correction. They still have not been able to make that simple adjustment, so how will they launch an extensive education program of this nature before the 9/11 vets die off?

  45. alvin cozad says:

    OK, lets get reallistic here. I used my GI bill back in the 70's to get a vocational certificate in auto mechanics and it served me well for twenty years. But the equipment has changed so much that I would have to go back again to school to relearn and retool. I,M NOT GOING TO DO THAT! Instead I am enrolled in a vocational online gunsmithing course that i'm paying for out of my own pocket. How can this program help me? Ido have comment for Nate(who posted above) but I think I' just keep to my self. I did one and a half tours in viet nam and am very happy with the way our troops are being treated when they come home today. We didn't get that. I'm not whining, just stateing a fact. SEMPR FI

  46. beentheredidthat says:

    Don't blame Obama –if it wasn't for him your bagger friends would be giving you—nothing!!!

  47. Robin Williams says:

    Before anyone says that they have a problem with older vets who chose not to get the VEAP or the MGIB should give people a break. You have no idea what there circumstance might have been back then!!!!!!

  48. ques to anyone who knows: I was US Army 70-72 to include infantry tour in Vietnam. I used GI Bill as it existed then to attend 4 yr college (Rutgers) and graduate. Now retired I want to get certified in alcohol and drug counseling in S. Cal…plenty of programs to pick from nearby. Will be 60 next year.
    I do not understand the Montgomery Bill as it came into existence well after my military time. Does this new expansion only apply to those whom participated in Montgomery program?? Thanks…welcome home all vets

  49. I am a Vietnam Vet that came home and life got in the way. I had bills to pay and a family to support so I never got to use my GI Bill education benefits. I hope this bill goes for us "older vets" also.

  50. why aren't you utilizing your VA Vocational and Rehab benefits? You are foolish to incur so much debt when this program pays your tuition, books and supplies, plus pays a monthly stipend. What I am seeing on this blog is that there are a LOT of disabled vets who have no clue about their benefits.

  51. Kevin,
    What is FAFSA? Thanks

    • FAFSA (Free Application for Federal Student Aid) is the form used to qualify for financial assistance at higher ed institutions. Once you have completed it the school of choice will use it to determine if you are eligible for any assistance and them tell you how that assistance will be given (loans, grants, work study). You can find this form @ http://www.fafsa.ed.gov. Best of luck with your future educational efforts.

  52. For Nate, excuse me for being blunt, but "Bite Us" from from the Pre-Montgomery Bill era, VEAP was a friggin joke. I did active duty and reserve time from 1979 – 1994, with an almost year break between active and reserve. So when I tried to use my VEAP but could not, and was ineligable for the MGB, do you truly think that is fair ? I have not asked much of the government/VA since I was in, but 6 years ago I had a major job site accident (yes my civilian job) and have several disabilities from that day. I am not saying that I will use this new chance or not, and I apologize that I never got orders to see any combat, though during the first Gulf War I repeatedly requested to go with others from my unit. I personally want to thank all of the Vets that have served in combat since WWII, and any vet that is eligible and wants to use this chance to go back to school, more power to you and good luck. And yes I love my country, proud to have served, but I do not trust all of our politicians.

  53. Where do Veterans get off calling each other Whiners? I thinks it's some BS that Republican-yes -I said-it-Swiftboaters created. Veterans should respect the service of other Veterans-period. Veterans who served in any variety of situations and places know there seem to be arbitrary lines in the sand that affect some soldiers differently. Some soldiers got sweet re-up bonuses. Some soldiers extended for a year or more to get an NCO education class they needed (BNCOC) and then when they re-upped they weren't in the right "window" to get a sweet bonus. We all know it's different for each of us. Let's not give each other a hard time if some unemployed Veterans could benefit from some GI Bill provisions their recruiters would not sign them up for before.

  54. hey you all just want to put word in for the peace time vets 75-79 we are the forgotten ones no mention is made of our contribution to world sanity as i remember it was still the cold war there were still bad guys out there to nam vets thank you i went in in june of 75 volunteer and was in the salvage /rescue navy ( i know there is a bird farm called the coral sea) who's sailors are happy we were there any way to all my fellow vets please dont forget us peace time vets some of us got ptsd as well and i did use my va ed but cant work in the industry of my education and @54 i am unemployable wit no current job skills this would help if i am eligible but obama still aint getting my vote it aint worth that

    • This new benefit could help about 60 percent of the current 850K unemployed veterans. To qualify, veterans must be 35 -60 years old, unemployed, and not currently enrolled (or within the past 6 months) in a state or federal job training program.

      Read more: http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2011/11/vow
      MilitaryAdvantage.Military.com

    • You're STILL a Vet, Ray, no matter When or Where You Served, So long as You Did your Time Honorably, You Deserve whatever Benefits you were promised to enlist AND I Won't be voting for the Fuhrer either no matter his actions for a vote grab. Because there's No age discrimination you ought have No problem getting a job @54 … Right.
      Maybe Now us 50 somethings will have a better chance of getting hired with a 5G price tag [tax credit] on our head.

    • With this kind of thinking you are getting what you earned. Crack a book and get some knowledge. Life is hard but being stupid is harder when you are stupid.

      Semper Fi,

      Gunny

  55. Am I correct in my understanding, that I would have to be "unemployed" to receive the benefits?

  56. This 17,000 that may be available. Is this a loan or gift?

  57. Obama has no idea what an army or service person is used for. Absolutely an idiot when it comes to the military. He's doing this for votes basically. He wants a planet of socialist thinkers, powerful and rich, to run the little guys and provide for the poor. Lots of poor in the communist countries.

    • Hey John, if he is doing this just for votes, well he's got mine. When has a president in recent memory paid this much attention to vets ? Even if he is fake, the benefits are real. Don't complain so much. He could of just done nothing.

    • what are you talking about? You must be smoking crack,to make a statement like this. The Republican Party is the only Party that want to protect Wall Street and their Rich Friends. Look what your Republican buddy Sen. John McCain want to do to the Active Military Service and the Vets.

    • You sound like a parrot listening to Rush (didn't service) or Bill (didn't service) ., supporting Bush (didn't service) telling us how they support the USA and telling you to send your kids to fight and die in another country (the wrong one Iraqi). That doesn't make him stupid. When someone can confince you to send your kid and their's stay at home and get your job, girl what have you. The stupidity is misplaced. You don't know botu Jody.

      Semper Fi

      Gunny

    • george matthews says:

      Obama has done a lots for the veterans by the way he is not a veteans no president has never taken the task to even created a job bill for vet. or their concern it people like u that do not want to work with the president or give him credit when due you are the idiot to think that way.

    • I think you will find the real idiot, when you look in the mirror; by the way what college did you graduate from? Food for thought:

      Marxism aims at bringing about a kind of equanimity between the rich and the poor by implementing the ideologies based on history. It is indeed true that history forms the basis of Marxism put forward by Karl Marx. If his principles or ideas are carried out in a practical way then Marxism leads to Communism. Could this be the the cause of the gap between rich and middle class widening, via lobbists and corporate greed? I guess you benefited from the trickle down effect. Have you figured out how many of your lawmakers have any military service at all? How about the spreaders of that cancer called hate? I ask all of you that call the President of the United States of America an idiot; exactly what University did you graduate from? Who's the real idiot? Idiots don't run the country, one day you may or may not find that out, smart guy.

      Read more: http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-betwe

  58. As a Vietnam Veteran who used the G.I. Bill, I don't begrudge anyone getting another bite of the apple. Look around and see what a great country we have served. The people are free because of us. The country exists because of us. No Veteran should have to pay for his education or training up to the basic requirements of a time college degree or apprenticeship for a trade.

  59. Retired USMC E-7 says:

    I came in when we had the VEAP – which was BS and it was disbanded and we took our monies back. Do we still qualify for the new GI Bill? Havent in the past. I also noticed that it stated that this new MGIB is for 35-60 yr olds who are unemployed. That is BS, I should be able to take advantage it and perhaps get promoted. Currently I am unemployed but seeking employment as my last position was outsourced. If I get a job, I'm takin git, but it would be nice to get some type of schooling to help keep a job. Guess it never ceases that the veteran gets screwed

  60. dale contino says:

    As a Vietnam Vet @ age 63, (soon to be 64), I still have a great desire to learn. I am 100% P and T, and would like to know why we are being left out because of age?

    The best thing in my life right now would be having the chance to continue to learn and be productive.

    • Ditto. Spent a lifetime working in computers and would love to enhance my programming knowledge. Oh well, at least someone will get help. I plan on letting as many fellow vets know as possible.

    • I know exactly what you mean. I'm 64, and need to get a upgraded certification that was not needed before. I'm not employed, got laid off at the end of Aug. and all the jobs require this certification. I can't afford to get it without having income, and can't get a job without it. I sure do wish they could have made this available for over 60 vets!

    • Jack Baldwin says:

      I'm with you on this on brother…I'll be 63 in March and just because I had to work full time after I retired does not mean I should have a second chance at getting my degree. Afterall, didn't I hear Brian Williams announce the other night on the news that 80 is the new 65? If that is the case, we're just in our 40's right now!

    • Amen on the age 60 cap! With increasing life expectancy and the vitality of the +60 group, this is ridiculous. The full retirement age for SS is now 66 for most vets. Can this be challenged?

  61. This ought to help a few guys caught between a rock and a hard place.

  62. SFC STEVEN BAUX, U.S. ARMY, RETIRED says:

    I believe that this is a great opportunity for older veterans to obtain a college degree. I do believe that it should be offered to veterans that have received their college degrees through the student loans to help pay a portion of their student loans.

    • Mick DevilDog says:

      agreed!!! I had lost my MGIB bennies while trying to maintain employment, food and shelter for my self and family after Desert Storm. No regrets with those choices. Finally completed my degree in 08 but with massive student loans. I am currently employed but this would be nice to recover part of that so i could put THAT savings back to the economy…

      Great point… apply our benefit to our student loans…

  63. We live in a time when, in a lot of fields, you need a Master's degree just to get anywhere (including in government service where I work) . I was fortunate enough to have paid for the Montgomery GI Bill but never used it (Had Vocational Rehabiliatation help me get through college) as I planned on using mine for law school but life occurred and it never happened. I would love to have a chance to use it to try to offset the cost of getting an MBA to try to compete as school is getting too expensive to try to pay for a piece of paper that MIGHT help you advance.

    Since we payed into this program it never should have expired to begin with unless you planned on giving the money back but I did not complain.

    I will be interested to see where all of this goes in the end. What will probably happen is they will offer the program but bury it in a LOT of paperwork where most will not even see it and it will be forgotten again.

  64. If i've been unemployed for 6 months, I need a job to support my family. Most in that age group have families and need an income and cannot afford (not because of money to pay for tuition) to go back to school…but when plan is released, we can make a better call…interesting about the age group..those normally would be past their 10 year GI bill benefit even though they paid into it…

    What would help the 35+ is let those who have the GI bill transfer to their kids…I am in that boat…my 10 year also runs out just as my oldest turns 18…and so goes the 3600 I put into it…

  65. Why the cutoff? Your either a Vet or your not.

  66. Most Vets who served PRIOR to the 1980's where not offered the MGIB because it did NOT exist. The Ed benefits that were in the 80's were terrible which is why so many VEAPers declined or took their money back. I know 2 vets who served in the 70's–tail end of Vietnam and before Kuwait but still served (retired even)–and where not offered much in the way of Ed bene's. They now have high-school and college aged kids and they get to rely on Sallie Mae–what a choice! I'm thankful for my Chapter 35 even though it cost my dad his life (Vietnam era Ed bene's for dependents) and my husband has converted his MGBI for our kids–but its not a full ride like he would have gotten if he used it now–much less, but at least our kids can use some of the money my husband didn't have the chance to utilize. Yes Vets do get the short end of the stick and it's only going to get worse with the super committee failing. I will say that it is getting better, at least the government is offering something for some Vets. Now the big question, who is going to pay for this?

  67. Why must one be un-employed to receive educational assistance? I served 80-91 and being fully aware that the VEAP was crap never enrolled. I have managed to stay employed since exiting and even achieved several enviable certifications w/o any gov't assistance. However, if the gov't is offering help why should I be in dire straits to receive? Was my service worth any less than another's? What if I want to stay employed AND obtain a higher degree using a benefit I earned by serving my country? Guess that's too much to ask.

    • Chris Gilliard says:

      I agree wholeheartedly. Those of us who served and got jipped by the useless VEAP have been treated like we don't exist. I also question the stipulation that we have to be unemployed. What's that all about? I too have managed to remain continuously employed since leaving service and earned my degree. However I would like to continue on in my graduate program but those funds have been cut. Now this flash of hope has been dashed by the unemployment prerequisite. Congress just refuses to treat veterans as valued citizens while they continue to look out for themselves with their healthcare, high salaries, and insider trading benefits.

  68. Bob Thebodo says:

    It is unfortunate that vets over 60 are not eligible. Are we not trainable at that age? I agree that you are either a vet or not a vet. We still have a great deal to offer, not to mention some valuable life skills.

    • Amen to that – at 63 I am having to start life over due to health issues that cost me last job – and am now 60% VA disability – I need a new skill set and this will help. Retirement is not there and the way it looks not going to in this Vets life time…

    • Bob – I totally agree with you. But is it because 60 is the mandatory retirement age/date or do they figure that after 60 we have used up all of our skills and abilities? I used the GI Bill to obtain my BS degree but now find myself needing further skills to compete in todays job market. Now I read that I am not eligible for anything due to my age?? Why sould we, as veterans, have to "go to the back of the line" to sign up for a course we need to improve ourselves? It is nice that someone thought of us but they simply did not think it through.

  69. ChristopherB. says:

    As usual, always a day late and a dollar short, it is about time those idiots in D.C. got SOMETHING right with the institution of the GI BILL rights for older veterans, which they should have done a very long time ago! What I don't understand is why the GI Bill has a 10-year time limit for usage anyway!

    Many of those who would fully benefit from the PRE-EXISTING GI BILL, myself included, have not been able to do so due to that 10-year rule although the injuries many have suffered while protecting the nation's interests will undoubtedly last for the rest of their lives.

    With all of that said, I for one, am very excited about these new developments with the GI Bill

  70. My Question is this?…Why do I have to be unemployed to take advantage of the Montgomery Bill monies being offered now. Its really hard to imagine being unemployed coz most of us need some income just to live. I would like to further my education to get out of this "Rutt" but simply cannot afford to do so. I consider myself still young enough to contribute in some way. Besides, the government keeps raising the ceiling for retirement age and I feel like they should throw us a BONE if expected to work now till I am almost 67 years old. I am a Honorably Discharged 52 year old Vet of 9 years U.S. Airforce. Served between 1980 and 1990. I contributed to VEAP and as all who know about this particular program, it was merely an assistance program and never amounted to much income to complete a degree. I work as an Associate manager 28 hours a week just above minimum wage. My supervisor,making more per hour is a 26 year retired Naval man also drawing his retirement and is paid to go to school. He just turned 50 years of age. I appreciate his service to his country just as I appreciated serving as well, I am just confused about having to be completely unemployed before I can be offered a part of this opportunity.

  71. Dave the Bull says:

    Same old S…. This can be laid at the feet of the F……. officer corps. Any enlisted man who things his CO is their to help him is nuts. We have got gays in the military, thanks to a bunch of Admirals and Liberals. I am 69, no HS grad, but did obtain E7. Got out in 80 after 20 and walked into the highering freeze (except for woman and the others). Ended up driving a truck for 26 years. I deserve a chance at an education, but will never happen.

    • southerner15 says:

      What is stopping you from getting a GED now?

    • It sounds like a couple of things are going on here…you can't take responsibility for your actions and instead blame your bosses, or maybe you want an easier perceived life as a gay member. School works even in a hiring freeze. Your choice to drive truck during a time of better conditions than we see now.

    • I BET THE GAYS WILL GET BENEFITS REGARDLESS OF AGE. IF THEY DON'T THEY WILL CRY AND MIGHT HIT YOU WITH THEIR PURSE.

  72. I think I know the answer but might as well ask. Enlisted in 70's and discharged 70's. Am I eligible?

  73. Chance Hall says:

    Here we go again. Why the cutoff at 60??? I'm 67, but I can still learn and I'm trainable…

    • I am 61 and have been trying to get something started with the VA for the last year. I think they have forgot about me, Thats about right !! Good Luck.

    • dianeplantation says:

      I agree – lost my job when I had to care for my parents – now I am ready to get back to work, but need to obtain a newly-required certification – always costly. If they make it a requirement that you actually get a job and work for 3 years, in order for the government to pay for the education/training, etc – then it would prevent people from just goint to school for the fun of it.

    • Yes, my husband is 64 and unemployed (depressed) and school would help him…on the other hand, our VA insurance benefits have saved our financial life, so thankful for that. There just will not be enough to go around.
      Wife of Viet Nam vet with a 9 year old…see we still need employment!

    • You still work and must wait soon 'till we are 70 to 'fully' retire, right? —-go figure.

      —–its like TriCare for Life (promises): going, going, gone….

  74. Christopher B. says:

    As usual, always a day late and a dollar short, it is about time those idiots in D.C. got SOMETHING right with the institution of the GI BILL rights for older veterans, which they should have done a very long time ago! What I don't understand is why the GI Bill has a 10-year time limit for usage anyway!

    • I agree. Because I ended up having to raise two sons alone when my wife died, I ended up working just to make ends meet during most of my 10-year GI-Bill eligibility. I'd sure love to have those benefits now, when I could actually use them.

  75. coasttoast says:

    I to use very little of my GI Bill.Why did we have to lose it after 10 years?Got married and had kids.Love to go back to school!

  76. They deleted my earlier comment before it was even posted. Apparently the words fertilizer and BS are not allowed. The deal being offered is weak at best and another slap in the face from a long list of bureaucrats that have no idea what it means to honorably serve our country.

  77. Im 63 and a Vietnam Vet. I was laid off 1 year ago so I was forced to take SS. Im more worried about healthcare now than education. with so many young kids without a job today I feel like at least i did someone a favor by keeping a younger person from loosing his job. Its called sacrafice, we all learned it in the service. My wife never worked so she didn't qualify for SS…she got half of mine which wasn't much. I go to the VA for health reasons because I can't afford to pay 1000 dollars a month for BCBS.I was lucky enough to pay off my house and car. I lhave always lived a very fruggle …living by my means and not over doing it. I think we were led to believe that the American dream was going to last for ever, well it didn't and we have to adjust, just like in time of combat when you are suffering heavy losses. At this age I believe its time to get out and let the next generation have a chance. learn to live by your needs not your wants. Give the next generation a chance, use the skills you learned the last 60 years, save the money for the younger vets who may need it more than us older ones.

    • I'm 62 and still working; I too would want the option of going back and finishing my degree. Hope there will be a good update on this matter..tiredvet

  78. dianeplantation says:

    Two years ago, I lost my job when I had to care for my parents – now I am ready to get back to work, but need to obtain a newly-required certification – always costly. If they make it a requirement that you actually get a job and work for 3 years, in order for the government to pay for the education/training, etc – then it would prevent people from just going to school for the fun of it.

  79. an old seabee says:

    Looks like the BOGUS POTUS is trying to BUY votes instead of EARNING them.

  80. Don't you know ? We 60 and over are to sit and vegitate the rest of our lives. Do nothing but sit and wait for the griem ripper. Heck, I just remarried and still injoy my life just as much as any other individual still kicking or beginning to. I don't even qualify for my housing benifits and I am 100 % service connected. I have never even used that. Cut off , rules and regs. I need a home but I made one mistake and paying for it dearly. i have to rent! 2X viet vet.

  81. Why do most bills lack "Across The Board' inclusion? They all seem to include some but forget others. If the bill covers 30 to 60 age brackets I guess the Korean War Vets don't deserve any consideration. This is not a matter of honoring Veterans, it's a matter of 'Political Posturing' and spending as little as possible in the process.
    This reminds me somewhat of the Veterans Medical Provisions. If the veteran is in need of a specific medication and the medication is not generic…forget it,
    the VA considers it too expensive….the Veteran is not worth the expense!

    • I hear ya!
      If You Served, You Deserve !

    • Korean Vets obviously don't count! Plus unless you are poor, VA healthcare is not available to many Korean Vets. I served USAF nearly 4 years during and right after the Korean episode, Now the VA wants to apply a "means" test to my request for VA Medical benefits. Why is this, is the VA a "welfare" agency?

  82. These comments are typical of a democrat office. ..its the epitome of a welfare state. Free this, free that, welfare and aid for everyone. Everyone forgets that we knew it was available foe a limited time, and we chose not to use it. So pull up your panties and do something but whine. In saying this, I firmly believe we should do more for our veterans. Maybe not giveaways or full support, but reduced coverage and costs with no exclusions. One thing for sure, respect and honor those who served and gave for their country and freedom. Don't be two faced like the president. His motto is honor and respect only if a vote is attached.

  83. Jeff - US Navy says:

    A veteran is a veteran regardless of when they served our great country! We should all be treated with dignity, respect and given equal educational opportunities. As an unemployed (6 months) US Navy veteran (VEAP era), I still need 1-2 years to complete an undergraduate degree and without federal aid things become very grim in achieving this goal… I too like other service members elected not to invest with VEAP and it appears certain enlistment periods are being over looked under the new MGIB criteria!!!

  84. Wow the comments here are mind boggling.

  85. A better way of doing this is to allow those veterans who did not have the opportunity to serve under the current law to have the benefit of the difference between their old GI bill and the current law. When I went to college after Viet Nam I started out at $180.00 a month with my wife and infant daughter. I'm not complaining. I was gratful and always will be. That just happened to be the way things were and I, and other vets, made it work.

    I see the advantage to our country of providing more productive workers into the employed ranks through education programs that lead to more consumers, tax payers and self providers. However, I am irritaed with the proposal in that it caps out at age 60. It would seem a good idea for veterans to stay in the work force longer, with the country bennefiting from Social Security savings and all the other social programs retired people take advatage of, and that working people endow.

  86. Whistle Berries says:

    Hmmm… The translation is this: if a veteran is 61+ that veteran is not worthy of any assistance.

    Who was the rocket scientist in charge of that age barrier? That is blatant age discrimination.

    People, non veterans and vetarans are having to work into their 80s just to try to make ends meet.

    Someone needs to rethink the age requirement issue.

    • I agree. Why should any "old" Vet be excluded? especially a retired one?

    • those 61+ fall under the GI Bill, not MGBI

      • In that case, where is the correlating bill to help 61+ get the same treatment? Speaking as the wife who sat home alone during his 20+ years of service, there is no excuse for leaving these folks out!

    • THE MONEY WOULD SURE HELP ALOT OF US OVER 60. IT IS HARD TO LIVE ON SOCIAL SECURITY AND THE PENSION WE RECIEVE. OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD STAND UP FOR US THAT ARE OVER 60,
      WE DESERVE A CHANCE TO GET THE TRAINING FOR A JOB TO HELP US MAKE A DECENT LIVING.

    • I just started a new business, in this economy, at age 72. They took my GI benefits from me shortly after I returned to civilian life because I served during "peacetime." This has been going on for years.

    • Agreed, those of us who served just lose out again, seems to be the usual story. I've been out of work in my field for 2yrs. I would love to continue my education and become current enough to get a job. I work part time hourly and stand on my feet for hours each day with bad knees. Not whennying. Just getting old.

    • I totally agree…there are many of us over the age of 60 who are still functioning and deserve this benefit as well.
      Is there any chance someone (Congress) will decide to not put an age limit in this bill?

  87. Stan Johnson says:

    How does this work for those under VEAP out more than 10 yrs before the approval of MGIB conversion? Lobbying by those of us under VEAP got the MGIB going in the first place. VEAP was a piece of JUNK: in many cases the money paid in could be forfeit if the EXECT routine required wasn’t followed. Once MGIB came many of under VEAP got out of it. I NEVER got to use my VEAP as I had no need when I got out. But, 11 years later I was laid off and needed it and couldn’t use it: too much time lapsed. Two years later, while in school, my fin-aid advisor was hyped because of MGIB conversion and was said I could convert my VEAP only to find there was a 10yr limit. So, I got NOTHING for education: paid for it myself. This as a SCDV (20%) with 8 yrs service (I'd have stayed in but the Navy processed me out due to my disability). I'm now once again unemployed 3 years and still getting nothing in the way of training assistance from anybody. So doing it myself. Drives me CRAZY that some of us Veterans are stuck in the preverbal doughnut hole of benefits. Guess our numbers are too small for any lobby group to be concerned as we don't account for enough votes.

  88. I messed up I did pay my $100 a month for the GI Bill but did not pay attention to the fine print or listen well at my post Veteran info sessions because I let the 10 yrs pass that you had to get it started I messed up but I feel I should still be allowed to use it even partial but I do accept responsiblity I do have a good civil service job making 60k plus but I do desire to go back to school and wish I still had the GI bill.

  89. So I join in 4/80 and served till 2/88 Got a 10% disability. May not be reading this correctly, But I don't get squat. In the middle of a career change at 52 could use the help like so many who served in my timeframe

  90. Vietvet "Doc" says:

    YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW. I used my GI Bill many years ago. I got my degrees leading to 2 doctorates. I'm a disabled Vietnam vet and comfortably retired now after 36 years of federal service. But I also had to make my own moves and I apologize to NO ONE for my success. In life, you have to make your own moves. No one is going to give you anything. Use your rights and your benefits. Fight for them when you have to. I did. You may not win every battle, you won't. But you'd better win the war. And make no mistake, you're in a war, whether you know it or not. Think of it this way: America is a great country; it's like a big beautiful sexy woman ready for you to make love to it.

  91. I'm over 60…Korea….Guess he dosen"t want my vote.

  92. I think they need to rethink the age thing. I a one of the Vietnam Era vets and was using my GI Bill for college and was told I had ten years to use it. I was just about to finish my second year of college and was told by one of the counselors that I had until the end of the year to use my GI Bill and my ten years were a long way off at that time. I do think if you have been out over the ten years and have never used any of your GI Bill you should not be able to get it all back, but maybe a small portion but the 60 year old think I do not agree with simply because we are now living into our 80s and 90s and many are still working well past their retirement age just to get back what they lost over the last few years with the markets doing so poorly.

    • I agree Gene, I served in Vietnam, am now 67 yrs. old. I am still working as a contract pilot, if I could use this bill to get a Gulfstream GIV type rating I could have a lot more opportunities for work.

  93. there is another side to this that many do not see, the benefit to the country, with record high unemployment and families unable to send their children to college, this is a great chance to serve again.
    instead of being deadweight and sitting at home just collecting unemployment, waiting for a job like some do on unemployment, vets can take charge, get an education and be ready when the economy turns around..
    the opportunity is there, it is your responsibility to use it. to better ourselves and our country.. Good luck to the vets who enroll,… get great grades, set an example in the classroom and Lead our country by example!

  94. Intels_Finman says:

    I didn't pay cause i never thought i would go to school, too busy serving my country volunteering for every assignment, so u can go to school. Do i regret it now, yes which i could have it now.

  95. I was one of the many vets that saw VEAP for the sh!##y deal it was and refused to sign on. The newer program was developed because so many of us rejected VEAP, and then we were not permitted to sign up for MGIB if we had not enrolled in VEAP. Nothing would have changed if we all had enrolled, it seemed to me we were left out in the cold for not playing along with their crappy offering.

    • I agree, The VEAP program was someones brilliant idea to make the soldier pick up most of the tab. I would love to have been offered the MGIB back in the 80's.

  96. Ted G. Martin says:

    I finished two years and took an AA because they said I was run out of time;
    I'd like to get my BA or BS; Where do I go to check on this..VA? They're the ones that said I'd run out of time!

  97. A lot of the comments here are filled with cynicism, short sightedness, and maybe a bit of social amnesia. If we look at the big picture, we should remember a few things. First of all, the previous administration came into power with a vibrant economy, a balanced budget, and a financial surplus. In the following eight years, under its stewardship, that was transformed into the economic mess we have now. This law was crafted and passed by our (largely Republican) congress, our Senate, and approved by our Democratic president. Large corporations and financial institutions had to be bailed out of the messes they were largely responsible for creating, not for their own good, but for that of the millions of us hard working citizens whose livelihoods depend on the financial strength of those institutions. I see this new law as an effort to tap into yet another of our nations many strengths, that being the dedication and discipline our veterans possess. This is not a giveaway for those who missed the boat on a past benefit, but a call to arms in the battle to save the economic health of our great nation. It's similar to the sign-on bonuses many employers once offered prospective employees in critical fields. Did the individual benefit from the extra cash? Yes, but the company also benefited from his expertise and was able to get those things that were necessary to its function accomplished. So let's all, who are eligible, roll up our sleeves and, once again, answer the call of our country and help rebuild the greatest economy in our world.

    • BRAVO!!

    • It was refreshing to read your comment.
      Well said!

      NavSpecWar / Retired

    • Don Patrick says:

      Personally I'm more concerned the country is going to Hell in a hand basket, before we can get our sleeves rolled up.

      It seems to me the current administration is attempting to embrace the very doctrine that the Armed Forces defended against. If you are not a veteran, I can understand why you have no understanding of this.

      I do not believe I will accept a penny of this money. I'll make a difference on my own.

    • the dems created the loan problem

      • I can't believe that you are that naive to believe the Dems created this problem. Where have been between the Clinton Administration and the Bush Administration. Didn't you see the surplus that Clinton left the Bush Administration, and Deficit the Bush Administration left the current Administration. Take your head out of your ##s and wake up to reality.

    • John Ritter says:

      Sure they did but cut the military to a non defenceive level also we still had a 5 Trillion National Debt.. http://www.nationaldebtclock.org and 60 Trillion in unfunded liabilities now of whitch was taken into cosideration, then when Bush took over he had to put up with a Democratic Congress & Senate that went on a spending spree for most of the 8 years and that my friend is why we are in the shape we are today so stop blaming it on Bush, this is Obamas economy now.. John R Ritter Jr

      • You are just as blind as the previous guy. You can't face the reality of what has happened. I would like to see you inhereit the fisical mess left by the Bush Admin, and see what you would have done with it.

    • Dave Rasbold says:

      Jones, it was a dominated Democrat congress for the past 8 years. Do not blame this nationsf economic woes completely on the Repubs. And if wasn't for the war which started in the early Bush years we would be a lot better off. And if you really want to see the nations economic woes go away, get rid of Obamacare, our debt would go right out the window.

    • You have a misstated several important points in your opening few sentences. But let's look back at real History.

      When Pres. Bush came into office the Internet bubble had already started deflating. Followed closely by rapid Unemployment and economy that was started to increase it's slope down. Followed closely by the 9/11 attack. There was not a surplus of it was all "funny money" based on over valuations of stocks.

      To claim that the Bush admin or the Obama admin is responsible for our countries slide into oblivion is ridicules. We have been on this course for about 100 years, you could say it really started at Lincoln. But you would have to have a better grasp of history, Our Constitution and the proper use of Government.

      FYI – I'm not a Bush or Obama supporter, I'm a Marine Corp Vet. loyal to the Constitution and vote for representatives of the People.

    • Hiring Vets has been a practice after Nam and by far is nothing new. He didn't impement anything new at all. He rides on merits of the past that someone else has already done under a Smoke Screen as if he was a savior. I'm glad that younger Vets have a chance to extend their education but take note, this program is old hat. He is nothing and doing this for votes. If you buy this crap, I don't know if the additional education would do any good!! This is all for the VOTE. NOTHING ELSE. He would give you 100 acres on the Moon if he thought he could get votes. Problem would be, your own your on in order to cash in on it. "A Promise With NO PLAN, TYPICAL of the OBLAMER……….think about it from an ole' VET

    • Signal Corps 1970 says:

      To add to what J1957JONES says, I was in the army in 1970 – 71 and like those younger than me, I used GI benefits within a few years of getting out for extra college courses and so forth, and that was fine and done with. I don't think I should get two benefits, that would not be fair then, not fair now. Let the benefits go to those that need them the most, namely the younger people that are entering a new economy where the jobs are especially hard to come by.

    • Thank you my friend

    • A lot of you people should use this money and take a history course to see the truth, not what they have programmed you to believe. Reading these comments shows some of the reasons this country is in the mess it is in. You need to look inside yourself and see what you are made of and what is important to you. Once you find these answers you should have a better idea of how you can help this country and yourself and your beliefs.

    • Cpl. Clark, USMC says:

      To J1957JONES: It looks like some of the replies to your comments are filled with cynicism and short-sightedness, as well. However, I think that your comments represent a well-balanced perspective.__Personally, I think that the American military man (veteran, or active) makes a sacrifice that can never fully be repaid. They leave their families and way of life to serve and protect the freedoms, liberties, and national interests of our great nation and its citizens. They serve with honor, distinction and BRAVERY! Some may never see combat, while others make the ultimate sacrifice. But they ALL sacrifice and are ready to do whatever they are called to do.

      • Cpl. Clark, USMC says:

        Many of us (including myself) who were active during the VEAP period were caught in the middle. We didn't have as good of a GI Bill program as prior veterans, or more recent veteran GI Bill programs. No administration (Republican, or Democrat) is going to be able to fix GI Bill program short-comings (real, or perceived) from years gone by. But, if the government can do something to help a veteran in need, especially one who is unemployed, then we should ALL be grateful and accept that assistance graciously and encourage all that are eligible to use it. We deserve it!__It takes a special man/woman to serve and protect our nation. Thanks to ALL who serve!

  98. most of you all joined,we were drafted some of us had good jobs,running small business at 18 yrs old,it was dodge the draft and go to jail.alot of injurys were down played by the army.we got squat when we were discharged,and could'nt pass civil service physicals from twisted knees or hearing loss etc.

  99. I am a 100% disabled vietnam vet, also recieving SSDI, 58 years old, I would like to finish my Masters degree. Would I be considered taking advantage of the monthly school pay? Since, I am not able to work no more!

  100. Glad they are going to look out for the four years of us that didn't get that option to get in with the MGBI. You can bet I will apply for this.

  101. I think the President and members of both houses will lose votes in the 2012 elections, mainly because the extension of the GI Bill screws everyone over 60. Like myself, 87, a DAV with service on Okinawa during WWII, our breed is nothing but dead meat in the eyes of Uncle Sam. Presently unemployed (Too Old), I am thinking of going to my nearby animal shelter and requesting their 7 day treatment.

    • Don Patrick says:

      What a post! I have to give you a hand.

      My hat is off to anyone who made it through the 'Typhoon of Steel' – the fiercest battle in the Pacific.

    • I agree, I found a better idea, just rob a bank go to prison get 3 squares a day plus the best medical treatment in the USA.. Just make sure you do it in a state that has a good climate.. :o)

  102. WHAT"S UP WITH THIS AGE DISCRIMINATION CRAP? THAT"S WHAT THE
    GOVERNMENT DOES WITH ALL OF US WHO ARE OVER 60. WE CAN STILL WORK PRODUCTIVE JOBS EVEN IF WE ARE PAST THE "GOLDEN" AGE FOR THE GOVERNMENT. I ONCE HELD A REAL ESTATE LICENSE AFTER I
    RETIRED, WOULD LIKE TO RENEW THEM IF I COULD QUALIFY FOR IT. I DON'T THINK THE 10 YEAR DEADLINE SHOULD APPLY TO ANY VETERAN
    EVERY ONE DESERVES A SHOT AT THE MONEY REGARDLESS OF AGE.

    • I agree with you on that the 10 year limit is wrong. Personally, I think that the limit is another cheap way for the government to save some money. I too found myself past the deadline because at the time I was in a job that paid me well and I didn't have to worry about my finances. Later I found myself working in a convenience store and soon was let go due to some bueracratic nonsense. At that time I decided to go back to school and try and salvage what I had left of a possible future in retirement. As my unemployment benefits will be running out soon, I welcome the second chance.

  103. Nate, give yourself two slaps, then grab your right ear with your right hand, your left ear with your left hand and pull your head out!

  104. I think the reason that the Vietnam GI bill was not included is because so many of our current leaders are so young they do not remember it or were just being born….I would like to receivea one year extension as I have 1 year left to finish my degree. I had to quit school and work due to a medical situation in my family…..However, I am okay with not receiving it too. Just don't mess with my TRICARE. PRIME.

  105. JOSUE (SWAY) says:

    hello my fellow vets. my question is why don't i qualify for the GI bill? my vet rep said something to me about having been in service before 1996. so i gave him my proof and was quick to reject me. i just enrolled for classes with everest online courses. back when i was in, i wasn't taken by the hand when it was time to exit the army. i completed my contract very honorably. i have 4 honorable's and 1 general. all before the1996 cut off. i am disabled. and for 20+ years i suffered with a bad back that i was forced to get operated on. my injuries were from my military expierience.. i couldn't perform my requirements for work, so now i am unemployable. so i gave 110%+ between 1980>1991. so why are you only giving me .000001% of effort and compensation?

    • You should be entitled to disabled vet beneftis. Get copies of your med records and go to the DAV (they are a big help) Disabled American Vets and they can get you started in the right place.

  106. I joined the service in first Desert Storm,payed for GI bill and was deployed so much that I had little time for school. I was injured in Afganistan, released from active duty while still recovering. I had no out processing brief just a kick in butt went to use voc rehab told to injured to use. I went to work right away and did part time schooling used very little GI bill and then lost the right to use it due to time line. I welcome this and will pay again for this chance to get a better education for a better way of life for myself and family. Thanks for getting some thing right for us older vets. K sgt.

  107. christopher wenk says:

    I agree with retired, I am a disabled Vietnam vet over 60. fighting Agent Orange related illness's. However I get arrround OK. I would love to be trained to do some part time work that I can feel proud off. Thats the key for me, so I need to be cirtified in some specialty.
    Lets help all the living vet's regardless of age.

  108. First attempt at college with Work Study + Parent's Dollars interrupted by Draft Lottery, 1971. Took some correspondence courses, must have paper work here somewhere. Second attempt at college (GI Bill Funds) interrupted by third child's birth with Heart disease that lasted 5 1/2 years. 1988-1994. Third attempt at college (Pell Grant & Scholarship) interrupted by Congestive Heart Failure. 2008 to present. I believe I have about 45 to 60 Credit hours, depending upon transferability. It would be a 'bucket list' completion to earn my BA, and continue to an MFA. Being unemployed since Triple bypass, October 2008, a little more time & money towards my degrees would be extremely helpful. But it's not going to make me or break me. Life goes on. Hoo-Rah!

  109. usafvietnam says:

    I'm a Vietnam Vet. I did use up my G.I. bill for a A/S degree in electronics. and grad in '85. I'm 57 now and disabled for the last almost five years. I am basically unemployable in the most legal and realilistic sense. However, I still would like to be included in this new bill to train as an language analysis, specifically Pashto for I feel that I would have alot to offer here in this field. But some of the retortics I'm hearing out there, some of our Vets are extremely hostile toward our fellow hero's. What a shame and a total waste of talent.

    • like you Im Viet Vet and Im 63..I was unable to work when I got home in 69 for 5 yrs as a result of wounds suffered there..I couldve gotten 100% unemployable..back then it wasnt much..now it is..I retired 3 yrs ago and am now getting that benefit but it prohibits me form working..ooorah..my pension and ss and va have made this Marine a very happy camper a true retireree with no worries financially..got bless America..USMC and my three ex wives where ever they may be..Cpl Baker

    • sandra weidman says:

      Thank You for your service !

  110. SERVED 67 TO 70. sPENT A YEAR IN KOREA. bUT BECUASE i MAKE TO MUST MONEY, i DON'T QUALIFY FOR vA bENEFITS, SUCH AS HEALTH CARE, ETC.

    • JOE GALLAGHER says:

      VA NEVER EVEN CALLED ME AFTER I DID THE APPLICATION, SEPNT OVE AN HOUR FILLING IT OUT, SCREW VA
      SERVICE 76-80

  111. Another B.S. "benefit" that helps almost nobody. Keep your educational benefits (I have a degree) JUST GIVE ME A JOB.

  112. William E. Small says:

    How about older Vets? I served 1955-58 and did not qualify for GI benefits. Put myself through college and a Masters degree. At 74+ II continue to work (own a campground) and am in great physical and mental condition. Why wouldn't I qualify for educational support to get my law degree or PhD? Not that I need it, but there are many other Vets who are over 60 who could benefit. I don't need a hand-out!!! Bill

  113. I am a cold war vet never saved up any money during my time in as I had a family
    most of my time in submarines for 7 years on SSBN . I got a good job when I got out and lasted till it closed then went to work for NCR for 9.5 years then was hit by a van while working on a ATM . I am disabled now and may look into training for a
    person in a wheel chairs and does not have much feeling in both hands. I am glad it went thru I hope it will help at least 2/3 of the vets.

  114. Yup, as usual we Viet Nam Vets are getting the short end. Got to CA about two years after affordable housing…etc, etc.

  115. BTW I turn 62 in Jan.

  116. I am a Marine Vietnam Veteran (66-67). There must be an amendment to the bill for those Warriors over 60. There was no age limitation during the folly of Vietnam.

    Semper Fidelis,

  117. Brian Yohey says:

    Hey guys whats the problem? 3 tours in nam, discharged at 30%, I have worked all my life & benefited from the GI Bill because I looked into it , now at 65 I just started a SDVOSB, get on with your lives & make it happen at all costs. Nobody gets something for nothing!!!!

  118. Got o.ut the AF in '84, no benefits, never saved for Montgomery. Worked for General Motors for 17 yrs and got layed off after the bailout. Now employed as federal employee making about 1/2 what I used to make, putting myself thru college. Tired of hearing about all these other GIs milking the VA with the disability scam b.s. Broke my arm/wrist in active duty-0% disability.

  119. Don Patrick says:

    If you read these all posts, you come to understand what I do. This education package divides rather than unites veterans. …even non-veterans against veterans.

    I do not believe I will accept a penny of this money. Given the division this bill appears to create and the fact the country is not financially in any shape to provide this new benefit. Personally, I'd just rather they provide the benefits that were originally promised servicemen and ladies. If they don't live up to those benefits, what makes anyone believe they will honor this new benefit.

  120. I donl't understand how any vet can not be greatful for what littlle we get. I'm 100% in a chair, and just plain happy with the little bit I get. True it's not the world but my wife had ChampVA medical to help cover her incurrable medical problem, I had the VA to give me radiation therapy for my Cancer. and follow me for my medical problems. They gave me my chair, treat me well, It was my fault I didn't use the GI bill for education, I choose to try and work on my own, until I couldn't work any longer. Up until Bush we were in the Black_Obama took on a problem way over his head, and the elected parties that have put us down every since have made the economy what it is. I'm Thankful and hope things turn around, Jobs come back to America, And the Rich Pay up what they have taken for the middleclass to get Rich. And just hope the new GI's get better treatment than the Vietnam Vets did.

  121. greatfull vet says:

    The gov will do anything except help Vietnam Vets ! I would like to see these wall street ass holes go fighting in the jungle. Boy is this country fucked up! Bail out the rich and fuck the front liners! Is there a difference between slavery and creating a jobless market with military only ( get your ass blown off ) means of support? I think not ! We protected and protect the rich only to go jobless and disabled. GREAT COUNTRY !

    • Right on. When we went to Nam it took us out of play in society and some of us can't get back into normal lives. We continue to struggle for good jobs and only minimal help comes from our frustrations. Now many of us are over 60 and exempt from programs. Once a soldier goes to war he never leaves.

      • God Bless you and thank you for your sacrifice and service. I am the wife of a vietnam veteran and want to say Welcome Back if only by way of the internet….

    • ColKickAss says:

      Nothing to do with the rich. I spent the best part of 64 -65 in Nam. Your enemy are the Left-Wing Democrats who were rioting in the streets while you had your ass on the line in Nam. These, unfortunately, are the folks running the Country today.

    • The Vietnam Veteran, both enlisted and drafted, has been sadly overlooked by the government and society once release from active duty. Promises were not kept to those who served during this time.

      "Means Test" and "Co-Pays" have quietly appeared in the VA Medical System. I don't recall a "Means Test" to go to Vietnam but do recall the promise of medical care with no mention of a "Co-Pay."

      My Congressman and Senators have been asked for a list those in Congress who voted for the "Means Test" and "Co-Pays." but the request has been ignored. Sound familiar!

    • I do sympathize with you, however, Please allow me to say Thank You and Welcome Back. You have earned respect, and deserve what perks this (Gov) can give. My husband is also a Vietnam Vet and came back unemployable. It hasn't been easy living with this man at times, but I do love him and what he has done for what I know America to be. I will call you a Great American b ecause you have earned that title with me. Please stay well, and have a Blessed holiday. There are people who do care out her. Lana G

  122. This is an interesting story. I wonder if I can make use of it and when? Do I contact the VA? What standards are set for eligible educational programs? Does Oblammo think this will help him get reelected? Couldn't our Government enforce age discrimination rules to help me get a freakin' job???

  123. I attempted to change to the MGI bill, and was told that since I had a break in service in 1984 I was excluded. Even though I had broken my neck and was hospitalized for 5-1/2 months which was why I was out that time. I ended up with 32,000.00 in student loans that I’m still paying on 15 years after finishing school. Do I regret serving-no, but the US gov. can kiss my a&&.

  124. What about those MGIB Vets who already used all of their entitlements to earn a degree, but are now unemployed?

  125. David Baker says:

    I am thankful for my country I served in the army from 73 to 77. If it was not for the VA in 2000 I could of not got my 3 kids from the state of cal. I was living in Fl at the time.They help me with piss test, quit smoking, seeing a shrink etc. I have been a single parent of 3 girls now for 11 years. My youngest is now 15 1/2. she was 3 at the time. I thank the VA for all they have done for me. Gos bless the USA

  126. What about us Vets that have a job,but want to go onto college.and better ourselves? I guess I should contact my congressman.

    • I'm in this same boat…or probably …ship
      I'd like to pick up some welding certs or something to go with my current job, make it easier to hold onto what I have

      I already have a foot "in the door",..Can I use my GI bill I paid into..to keep it there?

  127. highly_favored says:

    this is a good thing for vets!!!

  128. I fon't know where you have been but I have tried to get a job driving the local
    senior centers busses. (lirrle vans). I have 20 plus years and over two million
    miles for Trailways. I have safe driving awards for those miles. I have safe
    driving awards for almost a million in trucks.If you think senior cotizens
    centers, follow the rules, you are dreaming!

    I have been turned down twice by Se Cep. If one is fairley young and has a
    good income, one will be looked on favorably. If one is over seventy, forget
    it. They will use anything to deny one a job! I have been ther and done that!

    Injury from active duty?? The DVA will either just flat refuse to deal with it! If
    one needs medical help, call DVA. They know nothing about helthcare but
    will send you contact info for hundreds of lawyers. I have also had that
    expierence!! Makies for a lot of rich lawyers and poor veterans!!

  129. herbert ruffin says:

    Why would we disable vets want to go back to work, we should have made some provision to request and receive the compensation we are due at this point in our lives. If we made bad choices ,like i did, no need to be bitter. These are new times, A new era and new leadership. Be patience,one thing at a time. I would like to see more tax breaks for vets over 60 or no tax on military retirement pay regardless of age and disability.

  130. sandra weidman says:

    I Wrote a letter to President Obama, And I've been collecting Signatures at school, To try to make a difference for the military and there military families I hope Obama reads it and makes the right choice.

  131. I have been unemployed now for the first time for almost 3 years.As a Vietnam Veteran, many of us felt forgotten compared to those of Desert Storm, Iraq, Afghanistan, and others. I was all excited about back into possibly getting a jump start back into the work force for maybe six or seven years before retirement. Then I read all of the requirements. I qualify for all except the age at 62. I have applied many times in my engineering career field and now with jobs that pays $9 and above with no response. Where do I go from here to pay my bills. I read recently that many people will have to until the age of 80 before retirement.

    • I want to say Welcome Back and you deserve any break this Government can give you. Thank You Thank You for your service. There are alot of us out her that cant say that enough. God Bless you and Keep you. My husband is also a Vietnam Vet and is unemployable. Many blessings to you and yours. Lana G

      • thanks for your acknowledging, &comments re.VN vets. From 1 unemployable VN vet to an other, pls relay THANKS from me to you husband for his service. have agood turkeyday & upcoming holiday s along w/abetter new year al so jim s vietnam 1967-'68

    • cliff davis says:

      8 ball i'm a nam era vet, i'm 63 n i agree w/ big q, what about us who were n service during viet nam, we need help also.there should'nt b a age limit

    • There is work in Minot, ND.

  132. I lost 12 months of GI Bill because at the time my employer would not let me accomodate my schedule. I try to give it to my children but that wa not approved at the time. I am a proud Vietnam Vet but VA has given me all kind of crap for service connected problems, i.e. HVC that I contracted in the military,but can't or don't knmowhow to prove it. My 3 boys joined the military and they do have the new improved GI Bill, thanks God,they deserve it. I am still in the shit hole with college credits from 4 or 5 different universities and no money to pay for school and no GI Bill and no degree. I am 59 with fustrations and no degree in nothing. Still hoping they give me the 12 months GI Bill they took from me…why is there an expiration time for using what it was earned by us. Help.

    • When I first heard about the return of the GI Bill, I thought that this is great mybe I can go to school to learn a new skill or maybe improve the shills I alreadly have. But, after giving it some thought, I think this is just another band-aid. Going to school for 12 months is not going to help me get a job because, people who already have completed higher education, still can't get a job.

    • I dont think that education benefit should EVER expire. you paid into them you earned them you should be able to use them or "life will" them to another person in your family etc. My dad ( a vietnam veteran who was DRAFTED the summer before his Senior year of college) could use his education to complete his college if he chose.

    • I hear ya! I tried to claim TWO disabilities with the VA, but was told no go because there was no record of it in my files. One was when I fell a telephone pole's height to the ground and hurt my hip. The next day I was actually denied the right to go to the doctor, my sarge saying there was nothing wrong with me. Now at 63 I suffer with pain in my hip. Boy, they should assign lawyers to guys in the service who are 18!

  133. I am a combat Vet,as was my father in WW2.
    For some reason he never asked anything from the military once he was out.
    He worked all his life at a government job,retired with a great pension and medical benifits.Busted his ass till his dieing day and I never heard him wimper once.
    Those days are gone,gone,gone.
    My experiance in the service to my country trained me so I believe in myself and learned I could do things I never thought were posible.They pushed me way out of my boundries.They made me tuff as nails.
    I applied that and the fact WHEN i GOT BACK TO THE WORLD,it was no holds barded,I was able to do anything I put my mind to.
    While everyone else was in a cloud,I had a plan and the drive to go out and get what I needed to survive.

  134. Capt Lewis says:

    Perhaps we vets 60+ should have our own "occupy" movement.

    • Ray Raymond says:

      Right, I'd go along with that, but I don't think there are enough of us left to do the job up right.

    • I'm 63 and a Viet Vet disabled. You my friend have selective memory. Bush and I do have respect his title as POTUS which you seem to have a problem giving to Prez Obama for some reason, huummm. Try going to FactCheck.org to maybe clear to BS from head. You my friend need to start think for yur self rather then listening to FOX. __Semper Fi,

  135. David Seger says:

    I was in just after VN and we got practically nothing in benefits for college. I worked my way through.I am in my late 40's worked as an electrician but times are tough trying to finish my degree in IT. Wish this program would help me to finish my masters.

  136. beats the hell out of that ridiculous 'VEAP' i signed up for back in the 80's

  137. This is just a pre election vote buying scheme by Obama. Everybody, vets included need to stop looking for a freaking handout from the federal government. This country is going down the tubes under the weight of all these federal give away programs.

    • DO YOU MEAN THE CORPORATE SUBSIDIES THAT THE REPUBLICAN
      CANDIDATES THINK WOULD BE A TAX INCREASE?

    • 1 sgt mack says:

      you must be a politition who never served in the armed forces and where disabled protecting the rights of people like youand have problems getting work because of a disability. or you are an eligle alien who should be deportedback to your homeland.

    • ONE QUESTION PH2. WHAT PLANET DID YOU FALL OFF? I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A CLUE AS TO THE SACRIFICE THE VETS AND ACTIVE MILITARY GIVE TO THEIR COUNTRY SO YOU CAN REMAIN FREE
      AND ENJOY THE BENEFITS OF LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY. ONE OTHER THING, THE VETS AND ACTIVE MILITARY HAVE NEVER TAKEN ANYTHING FREE FROM THE GOVERNMENT. SO, BEFORE YOU START
      BLOWING OFF ON THE VETS AND THE MILITARY YOU SHOULD DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE YOU START CALLING US A BUNCH OF
      "FREELOADERS"

    • You my friend need to open that thing you call a brain and understand what
      happen and who cause what. G W Bush is the cause of this countrys problem
      not President Obama. Do you have common sense or what

  138. Vietnam vet, just turned 62, unemployed and can't find a job. Thanks a lot.
    What to do, Sign up for early social security and die.

  139. 76 year old need computer classes for employment why cut it off at 60 years old

  140. not everybodys ready to hang it up @ 60 76 year old korean conflict disabled vet need computer classes to re enter the work force oblaber mouth has screwed up things so much I have to go back to work

  141. Richard Baer says:

    Everyone listen Up!!!!!!!!!!! After the end of WW2 The Commies TOLLED the Good Ol U.S.A. We Will take over U.S.A. over with out fireing A Shot. Well I hate to tell you this. BUT they all ready had their men in place in our Collages. MAINLY
    IN OUR COG COLLAGES. That right and now those Church Collages have blead on out into most of our churches and worped far to maney minds PLUS now They also have stol the path for the one that is sleeping in our White House to be there.. And if any one fall for his line of —- NOW THAN YOU ALSO BECOME PART OF THE PROBLEM. SORRY!!! THAT IS JUST HOW IT IS…
    OOOoooo!!! yes!!!!! I also Gave three years of my life in WW2 … THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

  142. Yeah, there is always a catch, you have to be Unemployed. They could have said, "35 – 60 years old (70 may have been better and deleted unemployed),
    and not currently enrolled (or within the past 6 months) in a state or federal job training program. Now that would have been a WINNER for everyone.

  143. Tom Corregan says:

    I am a vietnam vet i am 50% disable i served 1967 68 in vietnam eco 20th inf long range patrole abn. i love this country i am self employed contractor for over thirty yrs and never seen anthing like this, I lost 30yrs of my life to ptsd, and did not know what i had untill i got help any way i am calling all my brothers together to take our country back, from the rich and the disfunctial gov, they keep out sorceing our jobs in the name of cheep labor and profit wich onley benafits the rich, we need to support these kids who are demenstrating they get ito debt to find no job, lets do something it is time, we fight the wars and pay the bills and now we cant find work WELCOME HOME MY BROTHERS!!!! Tom Corregan I am sick what is happening

  144. It's not a handout, PH. It's dignity. I really don't give a fat finger what people think of the Vets Job Act being political act for Pres. Obama or not. Fact is, after I got out of the Corps and started to look for jobs, the first question asked was "Are you shell-shocked?" I've spoken to a lot of new vets who get the same questions, about being treated for PST, battle fatigue and not their skill set. It took me a year to find a decent job, I took on 3 newspaper routes for $120 a week to take care of my young family. Stop all the racist crap, get over it. You have a Black president who is trying to do things that an ignorant, do nothing Congress won't. He is no better or worse than any other. He inherited a nation that was bleeding and severely wounded and all this Congress is letting him do is first aid when the nation needs shock trauma. He's helping the vets and the last "kinda, sorta Air National Guard President who started both wars, that those vets fought in, never even thought or considered, "What happens when the boys all come home".

  145. And somebody tell Grover Norquist and the Koch Brothers to get out of Congress. Their stupid pledge to not tax will ruin the Navy and Marine Corps if automatic tax cuts kick in, at 2012's end. 60 less ships, mean the next Marine Assault will be done with the help of Expedia or Caribbean Cruises. No ships, no transport. Just give China's new Navy and Air Force the keys to the world.

  146. When I became uemployed I was 60 in Feb. Now that I turns 61 none of these programs will help me with the cut off at 60. When I entered the service the GI bill was in place. By the time I retired the government had replaced it with the Montgomery GI bill. (screwed out of months of education). Apparently the government thinks that after 60 a veteran quits paying taxes. Remove the age limitation, retrain, and help a veteran get back to a normal life……..

    • Don't forget – We Still can vote in 2012, There seems to be only one way to replace the current administration – That is by voting. 76 – hard to find a job even tho I can work and am qualified.

  147. James Morris says:

    I think our biggest problem we have is: a congress that writes it`s own bills for themselves. wrong, it`s suppose to be the people who vote on the bills, but they only think of what`s good for themselves, and a president that won`t
    pay any alegents to our flag, who say`s America is a Muslim country[BULLCRAP] and above all him and his wife are as racist as you can get,it was a sorry day in our history that we voted him into office

    • 1) You need to learn how to spell, 2) How can you be so ignorant, you are the racist, don't know what you ar talking about.. Pres. Obama is doing more for the Vets than any other Presidents. Bush was illiterate and incompetent. I am a retired Vet and it is not about getting a handout and that President Obama is only thinking of election year, would love to have him back in office. If the Republicans gets in, we are really going to hell, they are the real criminals, they want to keep the rich richer and our poor Vets present and future are going to suffer, they will really cut benefits then. You are such a loser.

    • somethat cares says:

      Yeah, Yeah. It is sad that you have your facts wrong. The finger always points back at yourself.

    • Are you serious!!!! You have to be crazy to call the president and his wife a racist…seems to me the racism is coming out of your mouth….You know there are some people that are so entrenched in their racist views that they don't even realize just how racist they are…For O'bama to be a hateful racist, that would mean that he would have to hate his white mother and white grandparents….Are you STUPID!!!!

    • same justanothervet says:

      Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy… you too (keep reading on down) are missing the point. Read the memo again and get on track, like a good soldier.

    • Seriously, give me a break.

  148. The Viet Nam era vets did not get the respect they deserved then and apparently they are not getting any respect now. But then again, maybe this age discrimination is not a lack of respect, but rather another example of the total insensitivity so often displayed by our bureaucrats and politicians.

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  150. Interesting that for benefits that pay you the working age is under 60 but when you have to pay, i.e. Losing Tricare Prime working age is 65 and under.

  151. J1957JONES says:

    First of all, I'd like to thank everyone for the feedback on my comments. I really didn't expect that. That being said, I'd like to tell a little about my own background. I am a veteran of the USAF and the Ohio Air National Guard. Most of my time was served during peacetime, but I did serve enough active duty time during the conflict in Lebanon to qualify to become a member of the American Legion. I was a medical technician and was never stationed outside of the 48 contiguous states. I am a political moderate who believes it is possible to go too far to the left or the right. I also believe that when our government fails or succeeds it is the responsibility of all incumbents, not just one party or the other. Though I was never called to do so, I was fully aware when I enlisted that I could have had to give my life in service to my country and was fully prepared to do so, not because I believed in the government line, but because I believe in our right as citizens to affect and to change our government to insure that it serves us all.

  152. Let's talk demographics for a moment. I a

    m now and have always been the
    average age of the Vietnam Era Veteran. Born in 1948 been 63 since Feb.
    This Bill effectively excludes the Vietnam Era Veteran if 60 is the cutoff
    age. A lot of very cynical thought went into this bill to come up with that
    particular age. 1948 was the loudest BOOM of the baby-boom years, there
    are more of us as a cohort than ANY other year,all excluded from this Bill.
    .Yes, There are some VN Era Vets who will qualify, Those who served
    at about the beginning of the drawdown time, those born in 50-51-52-53..
    The vast majority are left out and my opinion is that this nothing but a vote
    grab akin to granting amnesty to illegal aliens. Oh Yes U.S.Army 11B 67-69

  153. Typical and in sync with what I've encountered to date. A naive young patriot disillusioned and then educated by trial, and fire of the realities of the Viet Nam war, thru Tet 67 & 68 at 18, (turned 19 there). An impressionable experience. The group I am in (1948 baby boomer) again has been disrespected, it instills an impression of neglect and exclusion. I really do not believe we will ever be respected for the duties we performed. Sixty year old vets today were 15/16 during Tet, why draw the line there? Sweep it under the rug and it will go away, I don't think so. Where did this time line come from??
    Why include some and exclude others?? 58K plus body bags should all be that's needed to be included and considered, or, as it seems, we will never be respected. FF

  154. Blaine H. Zimerman says:

    I am a USAF veteran who volunteered for Korea and got stationed in the Alaskan Air Command. My total service time was about nine years including Standby and Ready Reserve. I have been out-of-work for two years even though I am only 82 years old. This new bill will not help me at all with a cutoff age of 60. Why not cover all vets regardless of age? My wife is ill and I need to work to cover medical expenses, current and future.

  155. I absolutely agree with the other comments. It is entirely unfair to have a cutoff age of 60 for benefits. I am 63 and could use the benefits for certification to be more competitive with the younger crowd. I was drafted and did my duty. I feel screwed again by the bureaucrats.

    • Paul Knotts says:

      I am also over 60, really 67. I am underemployed at 25 hours a week, low wage and ran out of time for my college degree. What about us? Somone needs to address the entire issue. By the way, most of the guys/girls that served during Vietnam, are over 60, how could they not be? I spent my time, eighteen months in the PI.

    • Same here buddy. I'm 72 and would like to finish my degree, but can't afford it with the samll SSI check I get.

  156. USAF Retired says:

    This is a wonderful opportunity for those of us who fell under the VEAP program of the 70's and 80's and were not able to contribute enough because of family committments. I for one would love to take advantage of this program and get into another vocation. Possibly with a CDL.

  157. William J. Doyle Jr. says:

    I totally agree with the rest of the people. As usual, the government has interferred and let us down again! I served in Vietnam in 67-68 and anybody that was there has to be my age 67 or better. Stop this BS about giving us something!!! We deserve everything we get. All you do is concentrate about these kids that fought in Iraq and Afghanistan and the vote. Yeah they had it rough but they didn't see ONE THIRD of what we saw everyday!!! I want Flight Training and I qualify. The age limitations, 35-60 are rediculous. It looses the whole Vietnam Era, as if you didn,t know. Again money saver! " Screw Vietnam Guys, we don't need them anymore" but gentleman we do VOTE!!!!! You didn't tell me I didn't qualify when I joined up in the Corps in 65 and you put a pack on my back and a M-14 in my hands and told me to "go kill Charlie". Make that age 75 or don't give us anything!

    • Great comment but you know it will fall on deaf ears!

    • I am one of these young Veterans and the more and more I hear of how Vietnam Vets get treated the more and more Sorry I am. Vietnam Vets did not receive the Welcome Home treatment us Vets are getting now nor is Congress passing laws to accommodate those that served and it isn't fair.
      I agree the laws should go to 75 years old. My Grandfather served and he would love to take a class or 2.

  158. Ditto. This eliminate Vietnam era veterans – dump Obama

  159. You can make your negative comments about how this is just for the next election vote. It may very well be, but in the mean time, this Bill will help those who fall into the age range and choose to use it. I pray that they will, because it was design for them.

    • get you head out of your ass, if over 300,000 vets in that unemployed goup is in need than how will helping 1000,000 help at all. MArine vet 73-80

  160. EP Edwards says:

    I fell under the VEAP which was absolutely worthless. This is finally a education benefit that truly gives us that served during that period a chance to elevate ourselves to compete for today's new generation opportunities.

    Now, the next challenge is to remove the *age discrimination* limitation from Federal jobs that the 40-60 age group is fully qualified and capable of doing.

    • I was under VEAP also – yes it was worthless, but why do we have to be unemployed, always a catch. If they are going to give us something, why does there always have to be stipulations to it – Thanks Obama!
      TL Hurst

  161. Lynn Norton says:

    The 35-60 year olds discriminates against a lot of us in the Vietnam,Quemoy, and Matsu periods. WHY ?
    Sorry Ass politicians and a mulsum president that is more interested in getting elected and power than they are following the Constitution we Veterans have fought and died for..God Bless America and the 2012 elections…Anchors Away…

  162. Im just asking questions but doesnt social security and the VA admin consider retirement at age 62 or 65? and does the unemployment rate include those covered in social security as retireed? these "ages" may have been included because of the time it takes to continue education and the age of retirement.

  163. I have another question… what does this ACTUALLY mean in the provision of this bill and what does it have to do with veteran education?

    "Extends by five years certain automatically guaranteed loans to veterans purchasing stock or membership in a cooperative housing corporation entitling such veteran to occupy for dwelling purposes a single family residential unit in a development, project, or structure owned or leased by such corporation, in accordance with specified criteria. Extends: (1) various housing loan fees through specified closing periods on, after, or before October 1, 2021; (2) the temporary maximum home loan guaranty amount, as adjusted by the Veterans Benefits Improvement Act of 2008, until December 31, 2014; and (3) appropriation authorizations for homeless veterans reintegration programs at existing levels through FY2016."

  164. Anybody that was in during Vietnam whether they served in county or not or going to be over 60 years old by the time the VA gets off their butts and as they say decides to pull the trigger on this . When have we ever know the VA to do anything that doesn't that years to get done. Like our claims is a perfect example.They leave us Vietnam vets hanging for years and fighting for everything hoping we will all just die before they have to pay anymore out to us.

    • I agree Mark as a vietnam vet im 57, and they are wating for us to die, they have the right name V.A. "verly alive" in my book. this V.A. has faught againast us at every step on everything. I cll my conressman all the time and bitch and call the vetersn committe on veterans affairs. we all need to do this all the time we cannot wait for service orgs. they are not interested in tipping the boat they will loose thier crumbs form the table of the V.A. Marine vet 73-80

  165. wonder what they will do with the other 200,000 plus vets over the age of 35. once agin the older vets get the shaft form our leadership. this is our sorry attempt to bandaid a problem like all the other problems the V.A. has, rather then dealing with the problem. Marine vet 73-80

  166. Andre` Martell says:

    65-75 years? Really? And just how much longer do you expect to be “working” after getting this degree that was not important enough to complete over the last 4 decades for you? So typical the “All or none” attitude of vets who are not included when the so called “handouts” are dished out. If this little program is so important to your future success simply get fired from your current job and jump right on in then.

    This is designed to be a small gesture to help get some vets into a trade school or to finish a degree that they never gave up on but have still been pursuing one credit at a time when money permitted. If you blew off your education benefits, miscalculated what you would need for retirement and think that a degree completed at 65yrs will save you think again. Education benefits have been around a LONG time in some form or another and there are many who fought hard to get them no matter the obstacles that were placed there to discouraged them.

    Anything that helps Vets should be applauded even if you are left out of the mix.

    • 65-75? Where did you read that? I read 35-60. Who are you to judge what is age appropriate for obtaining a degree? screw you

    • Good for you, Andre Mitchell – just make shit up. Where'd you read 65 to 75 years old? Idiot. And what business is it of yours to tell a vet at what age he should no longer pursue a degree? Screw you – put on the uniform and do a hitch, and then maybe we'll do more than wave our farts in your direction. No load POS.

    • After spending 3 years on active duty I lost all of my Education benifits when I went into the AGR program, is that right. I proudly served for 27 years and retired. At least I receive my retirement.

    • Andre' instead of talking down the older Vets., you should show more respect for the people that has pave the way to make it easier for you to get benefits. It was almost impossible to get any type of help from the VA during the early years as a Vietnam Veteran. There are still a many of us "Baby Boomers" that can still work circles around you younger guys. It's not because we have to work, it's because we want to work.

    • Ouch! Apparently your ability to write exceeds your experience, knowledge, and understanding of this subject. But you are entitled to your opinion – and some of us suffer for it. : ? (Thank you, at least, for paragraph three.)

  167. I totally agree with the Vietnam Era Veterans. I did not get to finish my entitlement because of my employment also. If you are giving the veterans something all should participate of have the opportunity to do so. How often do we forget that so many lost their lives in Vietnam. I was in a support unit is Southeast Asia, but we witnessed a lot. "Do it right one time!!!! Support all of the veterans. I am 65 and I am not dead. I expect to live a lot longer. God Bless All Veterans!!!

    • John L Weeks says:

      This is the right thang to do for all Veterans. I'm 65 but not dead,but I am 100% disabled my mind still works most of the time. I take lots of meds to get focused and to walk with still alot of pain. This would be good therpy for someone like me even though I will neve work again. In 1968 it was hard to find a gob gust out of service. Many companies and people had strong hate for the war, I went and looked at several, but climate was good so with a wife and baby I took a job for $1.65 per and drove a school partime. We earned the benefit. We did earn it, but some congressman or Washing Fat Cat said only 10 years !!!!, even now they are working taking money from us….

    • Brenda J. Simpson says:

      Amen brother! I'm 68 and had some of the education benefits but because I was abusing alcohol at the time I didn't get to finish once I got sober. I can't remember the term used by the Army but it was Army talk for you're scum and you get no more educational money. In fact I never got anything. I never went to Vietnam but I was a medic and the fear was there.. When the VA talks about veterans-they mean the one's who served in the Middle East. Not anyone else who wore the unform. Support all vets should be the cry.

    • My sentiments exactly. I am 63 (almost 64) but just because I am 100% and unemployable doesn't mean I don't need to finish my education. I got out in '80. Not only that, but being a female in those times was difficult

  168. James L. Pyatt says:

    I am a Vietnam Era Veteran also went to Bosnia, Kosovo and Iraq. I am currently still in the national Guard and Deploying again in May 2012. I applied for a Federal Job with CBP in 2007 when thay had no age restriction. They changed the age to not over 37 now in 2008. I already passed the test their medical and physical three times since offered the employment. Now almost 5 years and still not employed. Followed by next comment.

  169. james L. Pyatt says:

    Next comment: This year last month the medical unit said I had not met their Hearing parameters and that I needed to get a Psycologist evaluation at my own expense. I did both at a cost of over $200. out of pocket. The psycologist asked me why would a federal agency state that I could be a danget to myself or others carring a weapon, when I was in the military still and that was part of being a soldier. I answered that it was all a part of discouraging me for the position I have waited for now over 5 years. But if I do not follow their directives they will discontinue me for consideration of employment. Is this how federal agancies are helpping our veterans to get employment? I agree the age gap of 37 is ridiculous I am 55 and I take a PT test every year in the FLANG and I do it better than a lot of kids. that is why CBP has a physical exam and test, age has nothing to do with how fit a person is. So lets fight for this age descrimination in our government.

  170. stonedog5858 says:

    The government is full of it. They actually have a law (38 cfr) 38 u.s.c. 5110 (a) that if you got injuried while serving your country and didn`t put a (claim) in until lets say 10-20 years later because no one told you that you could and when you do they will only pay you for the time you put the `claim` in. Even though you should have been getting a monthly check for that injury the day you exit the military. If thats not ripping an injuried vet off, what is? No one will answer my questions about this law and why it was passed. If i got injuried which serving my country and since no one told me that i could have put in a claim, why not pay me for the missing years? What happen to `We Take Care of Our Vets`

    • Just another vet says:

      You are surely missing the point, bud… just like you missed the bus about getting your claim in time. Ignorance AND " ignorance of the law is no excuse ", remember that. Get it together and move on, like a good soldier. Good luck.

    • ME TOO.

  171. im so happy to know that the montgomery G.I. BILL IS GOING BACK INTO EFFECT, I NEVER WAS ABLE TO USE MIND AND NOW IM WORKING AND READY TO RETIRE IN SEVERAL YEARS BUT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF IM ELIGIBLE TO TAKE PART IN IT NOW EVEN THOUGH IM WORKING

  172. need Veterans ID card for Chase Bank Benifits for Vet's. Urgent request! I'm 75 years old and had a stroke last month. and things are hard for me to do now days, so please help me get a ID card.

    • Bronx Jimmy says:

      Donald – Contact your local veterans organization (VFW, American Legion, etc.) they have service officers than can lend a hand. Most cities, towns and counties have these organizations available and there's one probably near you. Go to their websites and you can look up posts in your area.

  173. I'm 62 and served in Viet Nam after being drafted in '69 while going to college part-time and always planned on going back to school when I got out but was too screwed-up and it took me several years to straighten out so I never made it back … we ONLY had 4 years to use our benefits and my time ran out. It would be nice to go back if only to tke a few classes. Gary

  174. Great website. Plenty of helpful information here. I’m sending it to a few buddies ans also sharing in delicious. And naturally, thanks for your sweat!

  175. I'm a 49 year old veteran who is unemployed. I hope I qualify for something.
    I've paid taxes since I was 15 years old,( almost 35 years now ) I was fired from
    Chase after almost a decade of hard work and loyalty. ( for some paper work errors ) and I can't even qualify for unemployment. Meanwhile I see all kinds of people getting ssi, disability, unemployment ect… I've never had a claim !

  176. Manny Melendez says:

    Excellent!!! Now there's hope for those of us who lost their benefits because time ran out (silly, isn't it). I'm 58 and in great health, ready to continue working " 'til my wheels fall off " but need retraining to broaden my skills and open more doors. Thank you Mr. President, you can count on my vote this November (as I did last time). I'm quite certain hundreds of veterans in my shoes will indeed appreciate your thoughtful regard for our service to this great country. Please expedite the process.

  177. I am always glad to see vets get somthing, but what about the nam vets that got nothing and never will.

    • Amen Stewart! What about the Nam Vets that are still being put on the back burners for any and everything? My husband served 2 tours in Viet Nam and has filed for disability. As of this message, it has been in "review" for 2 years and we got a notice it will take another 24 months. All they are doing is waiting for the Viet Nam vets to die off so they don't have to deal with them. Such a sad way to thank our Vets.

  178. You and me both my good man!!

  179. James Morris: You are a disgrace to the armed forces, this country and should be denied access to this website. What the hell is "alegents"? Sounds like ale drinking gents. You need to return to any available college course. Maybe elementary school English would really help you. You really had no trouble spelling "racists" so we know what you really are. Lastly, I don't remember the speech when the President stated this is a Muslim country. You never were a good soldier and never could be with your racist comments. Go have another beer and shut your mouth.

  180. Carlos de la Parra. says:

    Glad to see something gets done on our behalf. I will vote for reelection of President Obama who has been working very hard to undo the mess of the previous administration. Also a kind reminder to him that during the campaign he promised to spare seniors who earned income under fifty five thousand from paying income tax. I hope I live to see a little bit extra money for all seniors in this category. I'm sure you will hear from others in the same instance.

  181. Ron Benjamin says:

    Obama is not undoing a mess, he's running for re-election, and now beginning to work for this country as he should have from the beginning. If he can buy our votes, that doesn't say very much for our value system!

    Although I don't count myself worthy to be included with combat vets, after 12 years in the military total, full-time and part-time, during peacetime and other wars, it's nice to get something for my service, but I will not demand benefits.

    Since I am unemployed at age 51, and caught in a gap where I need to go for a Masters Degree to improve my career opportunities, without going into debt for what may turn out to be a short remaining work life, the extra financial help will be nice, but not in exchange for a vote!

    All the best to you fellow Vets!

  182. I think when a new GI bill goes into affect the vets on the old bill should be upgraded also. I'm disabled and having a really hard time trying to get my kid through collage. I don't want him living a life of poverty because of my choice to serve . the Va gives some help but it is miniscule.

  183. Tango Sierra says:

    This is great news for unemployed veterans! In my case, however, I'm a veteran ('90-'96 Desert Storm era) who started taking a few classes while in the military, got out, started my career with the Department of Defense, then quickly started my family life. By the time I was able to try to get back to taking classes (since there weren't too many options of online schooling), 10 years had already lapsed leaving my GI bill unused. When the post 9/11 bill came out, I thought the extension to 15 years should have benefitted everyone. Finally, I read of a benfit for the pre 9/11 veterans, but only under certain circumstances. Doesn't every veteran deserve this benefit? We all served the same country!

    • I agree, but for now it is a money thing, and like always the needy comes first. I am just glad that it is taking effect. I have been an Amtrak mechanical foreman for over 21years. I too, missed out on my benefits. I only hope that things will change where it is offered to us again across the board…..

  184. Yo bone head where you all getting all this money

  185. Hawke Knight says:

    Many 'Nam vets are over 60, unemployed and looking for work, but find that the buzzword industry thinks they should now be certified at something that they were doing for 20 years until the 'Too Big To Fail' recession took away all our jobs. Why don't the truly older vets get any benefits?

    • I'm with you. There are many Nam vets over 60 who will be denied access to financial assistance based on the age constraint. Why would anyone put limits on either time or age. The benefits are ours…we earned them. But the government is determined to impose arbitrary cutoffs that deny vets their rightful benefits. Shame on our government officials and lawmakers.

  186. Do Veterans rated at 100% because of IU qualify for this too?

  187. Robert Lindgren says:

    I served active Army 79 to 82. There was only the crappy VEAP program. I went to college but ran out of money with only 3 courses for a bachelor degreee. I had to sell my carpet cleaning business for health reasons, I am at theis time dual enrolled in seminary and to finish my bachelor. We vets in the 70s and 80s got screwed with the VEAP education program , That crappy bill wasn't worth the toilet paper it was on. I am proud of our president for he seen something very unfair. The viet Nam era had the GI Bill the post 911 also had the GI bill. I have been chrically unemployed and unable to finish school. This bill will allow me to finish school. It is disgusting you people that qualify for social security yet complaining. I am too young for SS. You should be happy for your fellow veteran brothers. You sound like a bunch of babies!

    • I am a Viet Nam vet who was in school when Regan took our benefits that had not been used up by the then set dead line. VN vets got screwed as well and this new plan doesn't include them unless you served as a child since the age is from 35-60 and everyone knows that if you even can remember viet nam you are probably out of that age bracket.

  188. William Unger says:

    I agree with Robert Lindgren…I served in the USAF from 1975 until 1983. The VEAP program was a waste of everyones time. Especially the taxpayer. If I could get veteran benefits I would go back to school. I really do not feel 56 years of age.

  189. With all the heart-ache the president gets about spending, at the very least some of us will have another chance. With that being said, it is the needy that gets a shot first. If the Bush-era clean-up gets better, maybe this bill could be up-graded to where all of us is included across the board. But it is a start.

  190. Will there be a housing stipend that veterans can get while training? Thank you.

  191. Benefits are benefits no matter how old you are. World War I and II, Korean War and post Viet Nam veterans eduacational benefits should have been grandfathered and fathered in all new GI bills. I have been fighting with VA since 1989 about this issue. No one in authority seems to give a ###@@@ about this unfairness and mess congress as created, nor will they take any action to correct this issue. We will most likely never get our benefits. Here is why "Vets are viewed as pawns on a chess board". Someone will post a negative comment about my posting, And state VA helps it Veterans…Yes they do, but only help those they choose to help. Let's face the fact, there are thousands of Vets in this perdictament (over 60 years old) and no help is being considered. Ask yourself this question "Why? "The only answer you will get from VA is "it is the law!" For you younger Vets when they take away your benefits you will sing a different tune, it is happen to us and it will happen to you.

    • Well spoken. It does seem very unfair to the ones who served in Viet Nam, and no fault of their own, the 10 ruled came and went. Now that the kids are all through with college, and now you have time on your hands, there is nothing there to say. Great job getting your kids through college. Life at times seems so unfair, but I am happy my children did finish college.

  192. We all commit to fight the same thing in the military ,,enemies against the USA…so why the double standards when it comes to VA benifties and etc.
    Splitting the benefits as created by the wishes of Bob Dole and other republicans among older vets and younger vets only creates animosity among the former troops..not good for the military and not good for the country..keep all benefits leveled and even to all veterans regardless what time period they served in..

    • I AGREE

    • RobertLeeRE says:

      You got that right. And their doing the same picking and choosing among the new VRAP legislation that is not only seperated among certain age groups allowing to get it and others not. It also is seperated among certain cultural groups. For instance people who live in a big city are more likely able to use it because of the large amount of schools available that qualify. But for people that live in the rural areas in the country that might have waiting lists for certain programs that qualify as in rural West Central Minnesota and few two years institutions. Some say it is their fault they live in the country, but is it? The benefits is supposed to be for all Veterans, not certain Veterans in their miniscule demographic that is so tiny the benefit is completely worthless to more than half the Veterans in that particular age bracket. These pencil pushing legislatures are soo full of it. The VA acts like they want to help long term homeless Veterans. They only want to help the homeless veterans dirtying up their big cities, not all the veterans across the board! They are nothing but a bunch of liars!

  193. Sucks that you have to be unemployed too. I chose to take a job and pay my bills. Being employed in a lousy job going nowhere prevents me from eligibility with this program.

  194. Raymond says:

    Being of '90-'96 Desert Storm vet., I was not informed about my VEAP program that I contributed until my leaving the Army. An after 15 years is still there for me to use? Where/What must I do to recieve the benefit?

  195. So, the VA started up http://www.MyHealth..VA.Gov. anybody ever tell them their site sucks? Of all the ridiculous things I have seen the VA do, this is the epitomy of stupidity. If they want to introduce a new site, get somebody with the proper IT knowledge to do it, or simply do not bother. The site is useless.

  196. Viet Vet "Doc" says:

    This is very upsetting. All of us vets sitting in front of their computers sniping at each other. We've all got a tale of woe, and we're all getting shafted. Instead of picking at each other, we should do as Ben Franklin suggested so many years ago: "We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."

    Sitting here griping amongst ourselves gets us nowhere. I'd like to see someone (I haven't the know-how) put together a petition we can all sign and forward to the Committees for Veterans Affairs. They are the ones who can effect change, otherwise we're just so much noise, and we'll not be noticed. If we all hang together on this, maybe we won't be left hanging separately.

    About me: 10 year Navy vet, FMF Hospital Corpsman, got out as an E-6. In the Nam 64-65 (Chu Lai), with such entertainment as Starlite, Harvest Moon, other imaginative names. And no, I wasn't drafted. Entered the
    Navy right out of HS, no expectations other than to serve my country as best I could.

    Came home from Nam in 66. Landed at MCAS El Toro, where a USMC Top Sergeant came aboard the aircraft, and told all of us "Go put on civvies, go out the back gate, tell no one where you've been or what you did there." What a slap in the face. This was a MARINE telling me to "Go out the back gate." After I just spent a year in hell taking care of all those Marines. Semper Fi, Top.

    Was honorably discharged in 1970. Used the GI Bill available at the time to get an AS degree, followed closely by a BS (Information Systems). GI Bill paid $200/month. I carried a full load, (evenings and weekends) while working nightshift (40 hours a week) to keep food on the table and a roof over our heads.

    Went to work for a high-profile computer company, traveled all over the world as a Project Manager, either installing or preparing proposals for high-dollar projects. At age 58, I was riffed.

    Age 60, heart attack followed by quadruple bypass. Also diagnosed with DMII, PTSD, other Agent Orange related ailments. Now confirmed by VA as 100% disabled. Strong mind and reasonable body condition, but made to feel worthless by work force.

    So now, at age 69, I'm depressed, would like to do something useful with whatever time I may have left. That would do wonders for me, mentally, spiritually and physically. What something? I'd like to get a PhD in Psychology, use the school training and my life experiences to help others who have maybe not been quite so blessed as I have been. I'm living now in a 3rd world country in order to stretch my disability compensation as far as possible. Just happens though, they have some really excellent schools here, and I'm working with one of those to be admitted into their PhD program.

    So what if I'm over 60? I'm not dead yet. I CAN still be useful. Legislators, don't deny me this. I'll live far longer if I'm useful than if I'm wasting away, just another worthless old sailor, depressed and useless to anybody, including myself.

    • VIETNAM VETERAN says:

      GO TO D.A.V. MEETINGS IN YOUR AREA….HELP OTHER VETERANS THROUGH THEM . ALL KINDS OF USEFUL THINGS TO HELP YOUNGER VETERANS AND SAME AGE AND OLDER…

  197. george jetson says:

    Hey ALL VETS are just pawns of the bankers (banksters)..Anyone who has not figured that out, would have an IQ of less that 50…

    • stonefinder1 says:

      This is abosolutly NOT FARE I spent 20 years in the Navy have a $9.00 and Hour Job and can't get schooling cause I am working, but if I am a dead beat and don't work I can get up to $17000 for school, BS There is always a catch. So if I quit work and live on welfare then I get everything free right NO its not free it come out of the working publics paycheck This is another Ploy by Obama to give freeloaders a free ride AGAIN

  198. Bull crap! MGIB has gotten screwed since the post 9/11 came out. I'm sorry but who gives a crap about whether a vet is unemployed or not. Last time I checked McDonalds is hiring. Please don't bore me and say that you get more in unemployment that you would working…now that's American. Anyway, the benefit should be the same across the board. The MGIB is weak with way less benefits. Why? It was upgraded by the post 9/11 yet we were left behind. Everyone wants to wave the flag and support the troops since 9/11 but us vets who did the dirty work before then still get the crumbs. Didn't we all serve the same country?

  199. The only thing I remember about the GI bill is a DI ranting and raving and pretty much telling you to sign it. I Never really thought about until years later,and by then it was to late to use it.I wonder why there is a ten year limit to use it? If I payed in my share of the money then why wouldnt I beable to use it when I actually need it? Atleast I should get the money back that I payed in if I cant use it.

    • I AGREE. VRAP PROGRAM IS A JOKE / SCAM. MAYBE A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT FROM ALL VETERANS WHO PAID $1200.00 OUT OF POCKET SHOULD SUE. IN A REAL WORLD SITUATION, ANY COMPANY THAT TAKES MONEY FROM A PERSON EITHER HAS TO GIVE THE CUSTOMER WHAT THEY PAID FOR OR GIVE THEM BACK THEIR MONEY, AND IN SOME CASES, WITH INTEREST. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT EVEN $1200.00 @ 1% INTEREST FOR THE PAST 22 YEARS, $22,000.00 PAY BACK. SO, WHO IS WILLING TO FILE THE PAPERWORK ON BEHALF OF ALL VETERANS BEING RIPPED OFF FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO USE THEIR MGIB @ THE VETERANS CONVENIENCE? ARE THEY ANY LAWYERS WILLING TO TAKE ON THE CASE ON BEHALF OF ALL VETERANS?! ANYONE? FEEL FREE TO SPEAK UP. DON'T BE SHY!

      • OH YEAH, LETS NOT FORGET THAT AMERICA IS NOW ALLOWING "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" ILLEGALLY IN THIS COUNTRY, TO APPLY FOR AND GET APPROVED FOR GOVERNMENT GRANTS FOR AN EDUCATION. AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE ANY OF IT'S PRIORITIES STRAIGHT. I WISH A FEW LAWYERS WOULD COME FORWARD, TAKE A STAND FOR WHATS RIGHT FOR VETERANS ACROSS AMERICA. MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A OCCUPY FOR VETERANS MGIB'S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. TRY A SIT IN AT MARE ISLAND CALIFORNIA. WELL, ANY LAWYERS WILLING TO TAKE ON THE CASE? FEEL FREE TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT.

      • Thats absolutely correct ….i paid for it in 1987 and now they tell me it expires after 10 years….thats garbage because when i signed up they said i could use it anytime in my life….

        • vangie janow says:

          I WAS TOLD THE SAME THING….AND NOW THAT I'M IN DEBT FOR STUDENT LOANS I FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE TO GIVE UP WHAT WE PAID IN FOR IT SINCE WE WERE "ALL" LIED TO…SHOULD BE PROSECUTED FOR FRAUD
          …SAD THAT PEOPLE THAT HAVE KEPT THEIR COUNTRY SAFE HAS BEEN TREATED THIS WAY…

      • I am willing 7024100752 zandtwhite@yahoo.com

  200. Forgotton war son says:

    Wish they really meant what they say.As a navy vet it still hurts that after i washed out of beep school,and served 3yr out of 4 that i still and more likely ever again get a shot at a school period.i was a striker in 80s,and did learn alot about deck and radioman rating i tried for,but other than ojt,that was it.My advice is simple,if you can get your foot in a door,any door,take it.There nickel the better.Im at 100%sc for over 10 now and yes,it aint easy doing nothing with your head.

  201. Dave Mc says:

    Agreed Greg B, why do we have to be unemployed to get whats comming to us. Sould we quit our jobs and put our families at stake to move up in the world? Just a flawed plan with that as it's center piece.

  202. Dave Mc says:

    Also it says to stay tuned for updates…. Well any updates yet? This was written in January…

  203. For all of you warriors wondering about why the gumint has forgotten you, the answer is simple. Surely you all figured it out by now. They drafted me in May 68 and I got my all expense paid trip to the far east, complete with the Elephant Grass ride. The gumint knew THEN that all of us were going there to fight a war that they knew secretly years before that they couldn't win. They we were just dog meat back THEN. An you somehow think the gumint cares about you AFTER all your patriotic service. If they were willing to let you die THEN, why would they give a damn about afterward? Think, think, think. It isn't that hard.

  204. When I signed up in '75 we got education bennies for life and could retire in twenty. Then half way thru my enlistment they said "NO, lets change the contract. THIRTY to retire and you have ten years to use your GI Bill then it's over. I couldn't change MY side of the deal and cut my enlistment short… They care about us…B.S.

  205. Marsha Green says:

    What about the veterans that was in military from January 1984 -1985 that was foced into VEAP now we have to pay for all of our education expenses who helps us pay back our student loans. I am currently over $20,000.00 in debt with student loans. Please some one contact me and let me who helps me 510 632 9195

  206. Al Dobbins says:

    What about all of the Viet Nam era vets that lost their GI bill to time constraints/technical oversights. I know I got screwed out of mine and I am a 22 year vet!

  207. I served in the military from 1976 to 1980 and got sn honorable discharge. I used about 60% of my benefits on regular useless college courses. To end working in a vocational field and making a good living till 2010. I have been unable to even get a job at McDonalds. I apply to jobs that also pay what I was making (50k), that I should at least get an interview to, never to hear from them I ended up homeless for 3 months, now I am living with my aged parents. I am going today to apply to some more low paying jobs. I went from self sufficient to homelessness. I am over 50, my best bet appears to be suicide. I can afford only a rope.

    • That is definitely not your only option! Things may be down and out right now but that doesn't mean that they can't get better. Keep applying for jobs, and maybe be willing to relocate for a job. Maybe the problem is where you live. Write a letter to your congressman and tell him how you feel about being a forgotten veteran. There are many things you can do, don't give up hope. When you're at the end of your rope, start pulling yourself back up.

    • Karen Tully says:

      Michael, there are other options, including educational ones, if you haven't used regular pell grants that may be available to you to go back to school. Some states pay full tuition for veterans at a state school for those who enlisted in that state, double check whether your state is one of them, there are also numerous veterans organizations that help down and out veterans, and your local unemployment office should have a veteran liaison to assist you as well…

    • don't do it…Your parents would so devastated. I was in your shoes just prior to 911, I was on my way to a counciling for tramatic neck injury, feeling like I was a drain to my sons and my fiancee. I ended up in VA hospital for almost 2 months. Depression is a killer. Also is went from 165 lbs to 123 lbs. I am so glad that I am still here because my sons deserve to have a father. I thank God every day that I failed at a suicide attempt and support my sons as best as I can. I live everyday every minute with pain because of a work related injury. As long as I have the pain it is a reminder that my sons deserve all the love and encourgment I can give to them. They are grown men and couldn't ask for better sons. RJS

    • Hey Michael,

      Send me a copy of your resume to txpi2313@gmail.com. I will review it and respond with some recommendations as to where to apply. I am not a recruiter or employment company but I have been in your shoes. I was Honorably discharged in 1976 USAF and later from the TXARNG. I am 61 YOA.

      • MIchael,
        I also have been in your shoes ..I don't know where u live but in most states now they have a homeless Veteran Program..i suggest you get into it ..there u can receive many benefits including help to find a job and housing assistance along with some medical and dental benefits…Tehre is a way out my brother and suicide is NOT it..Never give up..we are warriors ..WE DO NOT GIVE UP!!!..We need to tell our government that we are tired of being treated as second class Veterans…I served in the ARMY from 1978-85..we are getting all kinds of screwed out of benefits ..but we CANNOT give up!!!..I cannot use the VRAP because I am not eligible for a PELL GRANT and no school in my area will participate in the advanced pay program..BUT I REFUSE TO GIVE UP FIGHTING for what we have rightfully earned!!!
        I am mad and I am not gonna take it sitting down!! and I'll be damned if this system is gonna cause me to bow down!!

  208. What type of educational benefits are available for a Vet 63 yrs. Old. Not ready ready to retired and has been without a job 3 yrs. Still looking for something wothwhile to do.

  209. greg fuerst says:

    How r we supposed to survive this economy with no money at all coming in while we go to school….as usual the beauracrats still have thier head buried up their foxholes. Somethings just never change

    • greg fuerst,

      "How r we supposed to survive this economy with no money at all coming in while we go to school…."

      That's the Government fault for not saving and putting money aside for each of us.

      LOL

  210. Ten-hut on your feet Older Soldiers! the VRAP is a great second chance to use that GI Bill you paid for and did not use in the ten years you needed to like me as well. I will use it for a Aviation School in hope of serving our great country once again and our Troops in the field knowing how hard a field deployment is. Thank you to all that served and for giving me this second chance. Suck in that gut, stick out that chest, stand tall, Here we go again, move out Hooooooah!

    • Michael,

      LMAO, read your post, made me laugh, and I support your view all the way.

      Hoooooah, Ranger's Lead the Way.

      • lanette kent wilson says:

        THE VRAP PROGRAM IS NOT ALL IT'S CRACKED UP TO B….If you are not eligible to receive a PELL Grant so that you can get the money to pay the school in advance you probably won't be able to go to school..The only other way to use the VRAP is to find a school who participates in the advance pay program..and I guarantee their are very few as they choosn not to because veterans are taking the money and not paying their tuition…

    • Vrap won't help those of us who served under the VEAP program.. We are getting the shaft..

  211. I'm 71 & retired & I want to know if I would be eligible for the Gi bill according to this article.

  212. Proud Vet&Proud Mom says:

    I served four years active duty Army from 1985 to 1989. I did not use all of my G.I. Bill. I now have a "rocket science" daughter who has been accepted to Virginia Tech's architecture program, and I'm experiencing sticker shock at the out-of-state tution, as a California resident. I'm pretty sure I did not use all of my G.I. Bill, and I wonder now whether any of that unused portion can be attributed to my daughter's tuition costs.

    • soogienabs75 says:

      My younger neighbors where I grew up went to VT. I 'm not positive what they studied but they absolutely loved it. The boy was only a few weeks into his freshman year when the shooting happened and his parents wanted him home immediately, but he would have no parts of it. He just passed the PA bar exam and his little sister graduated VT last year, and the "brat" (she worked her ass off) is now working in Italy somewhere. I have no affiliation whatsoever but through hearing about their experiences with the school, I will always mention the story of neighbors experience. I would suggest pulling out all the stops. I would hope that the Pentagon would reimburse our veterans, especially in cases like this! It's not a "you owe us" type demand, it's to combat the sky-rocketing costs of tuitions around the country, and when the potential that they see in your daughter is undermined by money, we're all cheated out of our futures. I hope to see more vets speak up about this and be able to utilize the money you EARNED by sacrificing years of your lives to be ready, and to defend our freedoms. Thanks for your service..

  213. Gee I am the spouse of a veteran he was discharged from the army in 1991.
    well when got married in 2004. He said baby go back to school and he told the childern that to. well as it stand now we are in 2013 and able to use the benefit because he is now 100%. wow can you imagine my chagrin when I found out about the 911 bill I was excited to hear about it and then my balloon was deflated by ill news that he could not transfer his befits to us his dependent just because he did not serve in 911, To me he served his counrty for 13 years he should be given the same afforded the rights as does any veteran who served in the American military.

  214. My husband was discharged in 1986 am I eligible as the spouse to receive any educational benefits as of 2013.

  215. We are talking unrealistic values and programs. As far as the 35-60 age range goes, there are few livable wage/gainful employment jobs for them anywhere. As far as 61 yrs. like myself that were injured by a careless driver and had a crushed leg after discharge/ not being able to reinlist/ struggled to try to finish college through years of pain- there is little support unless you want to go into debt that you may not be able to pay off since no one wants to hire you for gainful employment. Most of the "Government" programs are a farce and blanket target programs never keep up with the times or are over rated to make money for phony quick fix target programs. I went back to college and got a Federal License and have been out of that field since Obama got into office and was forced to change careers just to find any employment and now work as a self employed sub contractor with no benefits and am just surviving. We need real leadership in government, not the sham fashion show that is now running. A lot of talk-no action. With $160 billion paying out to illegal aliens-we can't afford to help Veterans?

  216. think of your family first, remember the team spirit in the service?, make it now a family one. when an individual needs help, the family can be the next level of support. it works in many countries. i am familiar with italy. Also oriental folks have similar values. The government is too far up the ladder and at the whim of political winds. help your family and they will be able to help you, the energies add. it also works in nature. think about it. sometimes solutions are just next door to you. it is not just money but support and love, which no money can buy.
    good luck, i know you will overcome your problems.

  217. maria castillo says:

    I was discharged from the Army on July 1974. I enrolled to school using the GI bill and received and AA. After many years of work, I am unemployed and I find that I need to go back to school to get other certifications to be able to find another job. True I am already 64 going on 65. But with today's economy it is very difficult to retired at any age. Specially since today grand parents are also responsible to rise grandchildren. There are many schools with very good programs that are acceptable for today,s job market. But there are tuition feeds that do not cover the entire education program. It will be nice if there was no time limit for the GI bill for those Veterans with honorable discharge. thank you.

  218. I was discharged from the Army on July 1974. I enrolled to school using the GI bill and received and AA. After many years of work, I am unemployed and I find that I need to go back to school to get other certifications to be able to find another job. True I am already 64 going on 65. But with today's economy it is very difficult to retired at any age. Specially since today grand parents are also responsible to rise grandchildren. There are many schools with very good programs that are acceptable for today,s job market. But there are tuition feeds that do not cover the entire education program. It will be nice if there was no time limit for the GI bill for those Veterans with honorable discharge. thank you.

  219. I was discharged from the Army on July 1974. I enrolled to school using the GI bill and received an AA degree. After many years of work, I am unemployed and I find that I need to go back to school to get other certifications to be able to find another job. True I am already 64 going on 65. But with today's economy it is very difficult to retired at any age. There are many school with very good programs that are acceptable for today,s job market. But there are tuition feeds that are not cover by financial assistant programs. So it will be very helpful if the GI bill will not have age limit. Education is very important at any age. Never is too late to continue your education. It will be nice if there was no time limit for the GI bill for those Veterans with honorable discharge. thank you.

  220. As a Desert Storm veteran that suffered with PTSD, I felt shafted by the government I served. Not only did it take over 10 years before I could get the veteran's benefits I needed, I got 30%, no back pay, no counseling during that timeframe. My whole life disintegrated during that period. I finally borrowed money from my mother, friends, etc (I could not even qualify for any type of loan) in order to return to school so I could become employable.
    The loopholes and run-around from the VA was monstrous. It took them so long to do anything, if I wanted to return to school I had to do it on my own. The medical was a joke, they wanted me to drive over 2 hours (each way) weekly for "check-ups" and group therapy. As a female war veteran, I felt that I did not belong in the group that was all male up to my joining.
    I lost over 10 years of my life that could have been made whole if the military and VA had not dropped the ball. No education, minimal health (the VA didn't even offer female services like pap exams because they weren't set up for it). Thanks for your service to me.

  221. Walter V. says:
  222. I went in under the VEAP program but I was designated a geographical bachelor because I was marred to a solider who was stationed on another base. I had to move off base and then when my wife was transferred we had to secure off base hosing for her, I and a child.. I had no room for donating to a VEAP fund. After I got out I went to school and built a nice student loan debt. The field I was studying to enter was defunded and after all these years I am still stuck with the debt and unable to pay. I will be of retirement age soon. I guess it will go with me to my grave.. Thanks Uncle Sam..;-)

  223. I was the VA rep at my college when President Reagan decided to cut all Chapter 34 benefits. I was in my last quarter at school and had to take out student loans to finish. Never got to use the full 10 year opportunity. Many vets got nailed with this decision. Still have those student loans. Don't know what to do. If I pay it's like saying "it's ok to take away from the vets what has been promised to the vets". What do I do? Pay or not pay, that is the question.

  224. JoWestermann says:

    how about the 100s of Vets from the period after Viet Nam and leading up to the Persian Gulf….the "Peace Time" Vets….has or will anything ever been given back to them for their service?? For me it was 1979-1981.

  225. I'm 75 & I did 4 active & 2 inactive Marine years. Left March of 1960. What benefits might I have coming to me & where is the best place to go and find out.

  226. Robert Collins says:

    I was in the Army from 1979-1985. I went to local VA they would not see me because my wife makes to much!! What does that have to do with my veteren status they told me I we got a divorce they would see me don't know what to do??

  227. i was in the army reserves but didn't get much activeduty time due to some confusion however i did recieve an honorable discharge after eight years.i am now 46 would iqualify forthis moneybecause the studentloans are piling up

  228. I am a nam vet with heart trouble and limited incomeand I need to save my home. Stewart Bowman 358 Virginia Ave Follansbee wv 26037 I need 25,000 for 20 yrs 3045277109. I will appreciate any help I can get. THANK YOU

  229. pingpong says:

    I’m was in during the 80′s where’s my free gov money ?

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