DADT Out, Gay Spousal Benefits In?

Ending DADT won’t lead to same-sex benefits – for now.

According to an article by Tom Philpott, the end of the DADT policy will not mean that same-sex partners will automatically gain access to military benefits, since the DoD is bound by the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act. The 1996 law, which defines marriage as “a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife” and defines “spouse” to mean ” a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife,” also bars the Federal government from recognizing same-sex marriages and does not allow  spouse related benefits for gay partners.

However, there are some benefits that gay partners may be eligible for. For example, servicemembers with same-sex partners may be legally eligible for on-base housing. In addition, same-sex partners may be designated as beneficiaries of Servicemembers’ Group Life Insurance and Federal Thrift Savings Plans.

Depending on how the DoD defines the terms “dependent” same-sex partners may also be eligible for base shopping, family support programs, legal assistance, space-available travel and relocation assistance when members move to new assignments.

However, the DADT report advises that the DoD not change current regulations to include benefit access to same-sex partners, “for the time being.”

Read Tom Philpott’s article, Gay Benefit Rules Drafted, to learn more.

Let your elected officials know whether or not you support the repeal of the DADT.

About the Author

Terry Howell
Before becoming the Managing Editor for, Terry served 20 years in the U.S. Coast Guard as an Aviation Electrician’s Mate and aircrewman. In his final role in the Coast Guard, Terry served as a Career Development Advisor, where he provided career, finance, education, and benefits counseling to servicemembers and their families. Since retiring from the Coast Guard, Terry has authored the book, The Military Advantage, managed the content for TurboTap, the DoD's online transition program and VAforVets, the VA's transition assistance website. Terry earned both his Bachelor's and MBA at Corban University using Military Tuition Assistance and his GI Bill benefits to help cover the cost.

270 Comments on "DADT Out, Gay Spousal Benefits In?"

  1. Heterosexuals aren't eligible for base housing, or other benefits on base if they have a girlfriend or boyfriend–hey be my girlfriend and we can get base housing–doesn't happen! So who would be discriminated against then? If this is repealed do you think that they would stop at that–NO!! They would fight the Defense of Marriage Act with a vengeance and the definition of dependent! DON'T REPEAL!!!!!!!!!

  2. sexual preference should have nothing to do with benefits. My opinion, this is trouble, and certainly should not be top of GOV agenda. Your right, boyfriends, girlfriends get no privileges….Interesting to see what else they want. This is terrible for militray children…..

  3. really dont care | December 7, 2010 at 8:18 am |

    once the marriage of gay members are recognized…. let em in

  4. I agree, this should not be allowed, its hard enough now trying to get base housing, we sure the hell do not need "married" gays trying to get housing too

  5. The repeal of Don't ask, Don't tell is about ensuring homosexual marriage is federal law, at the exclusion of heterosexuals who do not marry.

    How about the transsexuals? How will they be addressed?

    NO to repeal, YES to telling the states to pass civil unions so the states can regulate ALL relationships, there will no longer be "friends" they will be partners!

    All kidding aside, why should homosexuals be allowed to have more benefits and consideration than anyone else?
    How many lawsuits will be filed for excluding "partners' and lifestyle choices?

  6. Try as they may, our elected officials "of now" do not and will not control the internal mechanism of our Military Forces. They may tell us where to fight but not how to fight!!! I have all the faith and support to/for our brothers and sisters presently standing the watch~

    no issue… not news!

  7. There goes another way to get their agenda push through. The liberals in our government making decisions for the majority. I served with many gays, but never in my life, thought that a president could have opened a can of worm of such magnitud and consequences . Repeal DADT, but keeps things as it was before President Clinton. Allow them to serve; I am sure gays can do the job. Please do not allow more degradation of our social norms. Yes to civil unions.

  8. RJ Harris,USN-Ret. | December 7, 2010 at 8:54 am |

    Mike vet, surely you don't believe that gays would harm our dependents. The vast majority of sexual assaults are committed by heterosexuals, and generally by a relative! Your unfounded assumptions are clearly from ignorance and propaganda. As I see it, gays are not looking for special rights, just equal rights, which should be afforded them because of our constitution. I've had the foresight of living through the civil rights struggle, as well as Women equality and these same thesis were used in an attempt to keep rights away from them. It was said that black men would run rampage on white women. That women couldn't and should not be placed in position of leadership . Military women were lower than freshman male recruit. In my opinion, Milspouse, the Defense of Marriage Act should be fought against. It allowed a few, to govern and rationalize the lives of others using puritanical concepts and prejudices.
    In conclusion, if one people are restricted, we all as a nation are restricted. Intelligent debate is welcomed. Over 23 years careerist.

  9. Having openly gay people in the military makes no sense. It makes as much sense as having men and women share the same bathing, sleeping and living areas and expect that military decorum, disicipline and order would not be effected by this social engineering experiment gone BAD!!

    I don't want to take a shower next to someone who is attracted to me sexually, neither do I want to sleep in a room with someone who hormones are raging for someone of the same sex.

    Like I said, this makes no sense, and it is time we stop trying to be so niave and politically correct about it.

  10. AMEN to what AM 1960 said!

  11. you are a ignorant person! you make me want to PUKE! I just thank God that you finally retired!

  12. For those of you who are convinced that this is all some big liberal "social engineering" conspiracy, I hope you realize that the repeal was demanded by REPUBLICANS and is supported by two out of three Americans polled. It's also supported by 70% of Soldiers currently serving in our Army and 60% of active duty Marines. And yes, I've served. And yes, my battle buddy was gay. And no, it was never an issue.

    Oh yes, and for those of you who are terrified of showering next to homosexuals, guess what? You already ARE showering next to homosexuals and have been for your entire military career.

  13. Retired SFC | December 7, 2010 at 9:27 am |

    Man you aren't gonna live long with that kind of anger.

  14. SFC Retired | December 7, 2010 at 9:30 am |

    Gays are already working beside you, so what's the big deal? And don't worry, there won't be any gay couples knocking down the door for post housing. Pleeease. Who wants to live around mostly young families with bratty kids running around? Milspouse said boyfriends and girlfriends would be discriminated against if they tried to get housing. They can get married, dipstick!
    I am retired now, but my partner and I were together 12 yrs of my 22 year career, but he didn't exist. No benefits, except for life insurance. But in all the units I served, he was known and accepted.
    The repeal of DADT will be a non-event. Just do your job, just as you are doing and they are doing now.

  15. Concerned Vet | December 7, 2010 at 9:33 am |

    I really wish they could make a way for lesbian partners to receive Veteran Benefits for their children. I am a lesbian, been married for 5 years, and would like my step-daughter to be able to use my benefits to go to college as well as my natural birth children. When I was in the service, almost half of my unit was gay or heterosexual trying to experiment. So, I think some people are really against this and some are just talking the talk, but sneaking around because they don't want to be outed.

  16. Where there's vice desires, something will fill the void if dwelt upon. Or RELAX.

  17. RJ Harris,USN-Ret. | December 7, 2010 at 9:44 am |

    AIM1960&DRO What makes you think that a gay man or women would be attracted to you? Are you attracted to every opposite sex person?
    I suspect those Hormones that you fear are your own! Don't go in a panic, but, that person that presently showers and sleeps next to you may be gay and you haven't been attacked by them. These phobias that scare you so much were taught to you to fear those who are different from yourselves and not necessarily reality. It is my hope that as you age, your maturity and wisdom develops. You don't have to embrace differences, just recognise those differences and allow them the same freedoms that you and I served for.

  18. Too bad we didn't have blogs back when Blacks and Women treatment in the military came up so we could show all the "Nay sayers" how their arguements and fears never came to pass and were probably same then. After 37 years of active and reserve service, I will just say I am proud to have served with ALL of soldiers and sailors who served with me GAY or STRAIGHT who were willing to make the ultimate sacrifice and defend the Constitution based on a Republican form of Government conceptualized by Greek philosophers who we would consider Gay by today's labeling.

  19. For all of you that sit back and complain about the DADT, what's your real complaint. Are you just homophobic? Individuals like yourselves will try to find any and everything to stop this from happening, you all act as if being a homosexual is a disease and if you come in contact you will catch it. I truly think its mere ingorance on your part. Do you really think that they care about Base Housing, only they lazy folks like yourself want to live on post.

  20. Isn't it time we equal treat all all men (and women) the same under the governance of law? Do you think we would have had the changes which did not destroy our fighting strength when the situation changed for women or Black based on bigotted views of the past? Our Constitution was not based on the Bible, our forefather were Deist and had great fear of organized religion, unfortuntely for some reason people think we have a State Religion. If we do not repeal DADT we will be looked at in the future like the Salem witch trials–some treat Gays & Lesbians as our modern day version of "witches" I choose to honor the service of all who serve honorable regardless of who they love. It is time to repeal DADT and get on with more weightier matters like the economy, jobs etc. SHAME on Senator McCain who has been to true political flip flopper! It was a gay scoccer player who helped rush the cockpit of the last plane on 9/11 that prevented the Capital from being hit by a plane–probably saving the lives of many of our Senators and Congressmen who still have no regard for the sacrifice.

  21. Gays and Lesbians have always served in the Military and are there now—why shouldn't they have their First Amendment right to speak the truth and why do we have the right to ask them to lie? There is no room for bigotry in the Military regardless of who it is against!

  22. Repeal the Ban | December 7, 2010 at 10:00 am |

    I'm pretty amazed with all of you in this day of age to be so narrow minded! Same sex couples wouldn't be looking for benefits for their "boyfriends" they would be looking for benefits for the Partners, equivalent of our husbands and wives, and don't act like straight soldiers now don't currently screw the system by just getting married so they don't have to live in the barracks with sham marriages!

    Most Straight army marriages are a joke anyways! You have all of these soldiers getting married after knowing eachother for 2 weeks in AIT and youre saying thats more meaningful then a gay couple that has been together for 3 years committed to eachother only. You know how many married soldiers I see cheating on their spouses on a daily basis, well I know the one gay soldier I know never cheated on his!

    Their are good and bad people in any group of society, and their is always going to be someone trying to get away with something. But don't try to take away the rights of another human being because your worried about the amount of people that are allowed on post housing moron! I'm pretty sure Same sex couples wouldn't want to live on post anyways due to narrow minded idiots like your selves.

  23. Cant remember ever meeting a gay in the service must have been those years. That i tryed to forget a whole lot of stuff.

  24. same freedoms | December 7, 2010 at 10:08 am |

    So do this mean that every HIV case will be open are reported in the Army Time? To receive Veteran Benefits, this is also a wright to know. Freedom of the Press. This will do a lot of damage in the long run. The State has to report this to the Feds will the Military start doing the same.

  25. I served my 20. I think that anyone who is willing to stand up and say "Yes, i will die for my country if need be" should be allowed to serve. If you are against gays serving, you had better have or be prepared to serve yourself. No one is saying unmarried couples get base housing, or even will be fighting with you over doctor appointments. But with the number of troops deployed today, we need all the volunteers we can get…. unless you just want to draft people again, but only the heteros, not the gays.

    Today men and women do serve together, sharing sleeping and shower space, with little or no discipline problems. Most know how to act like adults, and control their desires. And you would be surprised (apparently) by the number of gays currently serving.

    Anyone will ing to put their life on the line is more than welcome to serve beside me!

  26. KK-Vet-Retired | December 7, 2010 at 10:23 am |

    Well, at first I thought all the comments were going to be anti-gay rhetoric. Glad to see there are some very sane, reasonable people who are/were in the military.

    I am a retired vet who served in one of the service bands. Let me tell you, if you want to see how well gays work in the military, put the service bands under your microscope. As you may guess, a lot of homosexuals are drawn to the arts. Most military musicians went to college for music and got to know our gay brothers and sisters who were out, and it was no big deal. There are dozens and dozens of gay musicians in the military. We know who they are and it's no big deal. I had one guy ask me in the locker room where we change into performance uniforms if I was gay because he thought I was cute. I said I wasn't but thanked him for the compliment. We are now very close friends and used to sit 2ft away from each other in our ensemble and work together every day.

    A great many gays rise to E9 because they have no children and if they have partners, their partners work hard too. They spend a lot of time at work and excel at what they do. I can think of 7 gay/lesbian E9s I know (past and present) with a combined total of over 30 MSMs and scores of other decorations. Gay musicians have gone to Iraq and Afghanistan to support troop morale. They're everywhere in the military and everywhere in society. They cannot help who they are attracted to. It's a biological thing, just like heterosexuals can't help who they are attracted to.

    Bottom line, the military is a very special, unique workplace. But it is a workplace. Discrimination should not be tolerated. You don't get to choose your skin color, gender, or nationality. You also don't get to choose your sexuality. Because if you DID get to choose, why in the world would you choose to be gay and put up with all the hatred thrown at you from very ignorant people?


  28. DO NOT REPEAL. This is about the military not being the social integrator for society. Stop forcing this down the military's throat because you can't get society to pony up. I do not relish the time when pictures of two guys dancing at the military ball appear on the headlines. The DADT policy works so why are we changing it? Because you can't hold hands with your significant other? What about the transgender issue. No one is addressing this. Will Tri-Care now cover sex-change operations? Will be have enlisted gay community centers? Officer gay clubs? Where does it end? There is enough socialization of our society, leave the military alone.

  29. If the miltary since the founding of our nation as christians forbid those who are homosexual or lesbian from seving in th armed forces, they had a reason for doing it. Why is it so important that the Gay community now think its so important to serve in the military now except to advance their agenda. Why is it so important to be accepted as "normal" ? It seems like tey want this issue to be "in your face" whether we straights like it or not !

  30. Fact is both lifestyles are a security risk to secrecy of military information. So with that in mind opening up to gays and lesbos is just a wider gap of security risks to deal with. If you want to be gay keep it to yourself. Serve your country quietly and move on. If you want to be militant in the military about it, then find another job. The new military is not as stable as when it had standards that fit its core mission. Defend and serve the Constitution of the USA.

  31. You mean IF you can get base housing. Get on the waiting list.

  32. There are several 'morally fit' issues that need to be corrected or excused now that we are already accepting this morally unfit lifestyle as morally fit.

  33. To all of you who are bashing gays serving in the military because you "don't want to shower next to someone who thinks you are attractive" or that none of it makes sense;
    Don't flatter yourself. Just because someone may be gay, does not mean they want anything to do with you. Believing every gay wants you is as stupid as believing that every person that you are attracted too wants you. While I agree that living arrangements will take a new turn, I also strongly believe that there will be no problems in letting LGBT serve next to you. In today's military, it's all voluntary, which means that those people, gay or otherwise, volunteered to put their life on the line and serve next to you. There is absolutely no reason to bash on those willing to do just as much as you. Not to mention, this country is one of the few left on this planet that discriminates within the military on the LGBT population; for a country and its "patriots" to be so proud of equal rights and how far we have come in discrimination and freedom, this attitude sure says otherwise. The Constitution was written in that all men and women be treated equally. The simple fact that the people that represent us as politicians would argue against that simple Constitutional right, of which this entire country was founded on, appalls me.

  34. Does it really matter, who defends this country–or your life!!! Come on people! We need to stop losing good quality soldiers, with necessary vital skills for protecting this country, to the likes of the outdated, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"! Anyone–and I mean anyone, willing to fight, and willing to die, for the United States of America, has my respect, and should have your respect too!!!

  35. Which historic homosexual couple will demand and receive the first military marriage with full military honors at the U.S. Naval and Military Academies chapels? I doubt an Islamic chaplain will perform the ‘holy’ rite. Will swords be part of that auspicious event?

  36. We are about to lose our retiree medical benefits, that we all earned, and the only concern at the top of the heap is

    “can homos get married, and live in on-base housing?” Give me a break. It might not always have been “don’t ask”, but it was always “don’t tell”, and “don’t get caught!” When one of these individuals is “found out” aboard a Naval vessel at sea, that individual has to be removed immediately for the sake of good order and discipline, at cost to the Navy, and grief to the already stressed out Commanding Officer. They all knew the rules when they joined. Now after 6 tours of faithful and honorable service, I am informed that my benefits might be cut, while the subject is can homos serve openly and receive benefits? Give me a break!

  37. I don't think it was intended as a discriminatory comment. As an 11 yr veteran who spent most of my active duty time with a family (3 kids), I can attest to the fact it's extremely difficult to get into base housing.
    I think the point was this:
    Most married soldiers, Marines, airmen and sailors have children & more often than not, they have more than one. From experience, I can tell you it doesn't much matter where you're stationed, finding a place to rent that can adequately house a family is almost impossible, even more so if you want a rental you can afford.
    So, the answer to this issue obviously would be to get into base housing.
    Last I knew, to get into base housing as an E-3 or E-4, waiting lists can range from 12-36 months. NOT having kids does not keep a married soldier, Marine etc from being eligible for housing. If, all of a sudden, gay married service members are eligible for base housing because they can claim their partner as a dependent…then think of what that does to waiting times for those with CHILDREN. Military kids have a hard enough life, why should they have the added stress from their parents of not being able to afford decent housing because the waiting list just doubled when (if) gay servicemembers became eligible for housing?

  38. Would somebody please remind DoD that future military members can only be generated by heterosexual couples? And while you're at it, ask them why absolutely ANYONE'S sexual preferences should be given special consideration by our federal government. Particularly where our all volunteer military is concerned.

    Homosexuals who feel compelled to make everyone around them aware of their SEXUAL PREFERENCES above and beyond everything else cannot possibly be capable of focusing their attention on missions that either succeed or fail based on situational awareness.

    I have no problem with DADT. I think it's a good policy. Particularly given the fact that no other segment of our military will ever feel the need to make the most intimate part of their lives a focal point of their service to their country.

  39. Any gay man has the right to marry a woman, same as I have. Besides, there used to be rules requiring approval from a CO for one to marry? or have those day gone? First shirts and chaplains, not congress, ought to be making policy in these matters, just as Plato recorded that each family has a wise old aunt whose job is the regulation of family life, and that this job does not belong to the state.

  40. Wait until we start with the mandatory long, drawn out "Prevention of Homophobia" training.

    Its funny how we spend more time on this type of crap than we do at the rifle range.

  41. SIC !!

  42. Just want to post an example …
    When units are returned from war… just families get to meet them….
    gay lifetime partners are excluded.
    If mail to partners is read or phone conversations recorded… it can be used against them.
    If you can talk about your wife and shy she annoys you…Why cant a gay soldier talk as freely and not worry about being discharged?

  43. Being Gay is environmental or how they are raised as a child having strong male or female role models. It is a lifestyle NOT biological. Everyone has the ability to make choices. They CHOOSE to be gay. Why is it so important for them to come "out of the closet " ? It is guilt of their lifestyle. They expect everyone to accept their behavior knowing it is against all natural laws of normalcy and procreation. When is the last time you heard of someone who is "STRAIGHT" say , I am a HETEROSEXUAL" ???? I f you want to be GAY, keep it to yourself, because I really don't care one way or another. I am tired of hearing about it.

  44. I think we should go back to pre-don’t ask don’t tell. Marriage is between one man and one women so not benefits should be allowed. Sodomy is against the UCMJ so serve and let the regulations remove homosexuals. If I’m offended by openly homosexual people will my complaint get heard, will my report be acted on? Just because the rest of the world has openly gay people serving doesn’t make it right.

  45. They should get rid of Don't ask Don't Tell if only for the purpose a carreer soldier does not lose his investment in the military. A persons sex or sexual preference should not matter if they can do the job! As far as spousal benefits for gays goes…. Unless there is a Federal rule change they will not be entitled to housing etc… Some one wrote asking about adopted children? If there are adopted children than they should receive dependent benefits for the children only… Guess that opens up the housing argument again! Seems like this issue is like a merry-go-round… Round and Round and Round we Go! Where is stops nobody knows?

  46. I don't think it is right for two gay females or two gay men in the military to get to sleep in the same quarter's together ,if they are lover's.then that would give the right for straight women and men to have there lover's ,if they are both in the military. to sleep in the same quarter's also. and no I would not want to shower in front of a gay person,especially if I knew they were looking for a mate,or had sex on there mind.right's are right's on both side's but there has to be a line somewhere.

  47. If we repeal DADT, then how about adopting co-ed barracks, and latrines? Makes sense; that way all servicemembers are treated exactly the same.

  48. Major Retired | December 7, 2010 at 1:47 pm |

    Do NOT repeal the DADT law. Fact is, the military does not want or need "Abnormal" in the military. Homosexuality /lesbianism is by definition ABNORMAL. These people should be seeking medical treatment NOT military service. What side of their physic will emerge in combat???? No, as a commander I don’t need abnormal soldiers. Combat is physically and mentally trying enough for “normal” people let alone the added burden of a confused mind and body. Do not jeopardize our military capabilities with abnormal bodies and minds.

  49. Oh, geez, grow up. Homosexual society? REALLY?? That's like saying Jewish, Black, Muslim or female society – pull your head out of the void and realize homosexuals are only a fraction of overall society, and entitled to same rights as anyone else.

    As I see it, they join the service anyway, having to live in secret – and pay taxes just like you and I – vowing to defend a country that treats them like second-class citizens.

    Perhaps you need to wake up and realize heterosexuals and homosexuals really are not any different the quality they bring to this country, and this military, when held to the same standard.

  50. In my view, anyone may live their life as they choose, and rightfully so. Now when the living of that life by anyone, interferes with my ability to live my life as is my right, then we Have An Issue.

    Should the present DADT policy be repealed, what impact shall it have on the Non-Homosexual personnel of our country's military? Equally important to note here, how would the repeal of DADT affect any and all Homosexual personnel presently serving, or those who desire to serve? My question of all the Homosexual types is, are you fully aware that you may be placing yourselves in a dire position, have you thought of this? In my view, the Homosexual population of our country, is merely being used by the Liberal minded political types, for their personal gain.

  51. It is pretty obvious these posts are "banked." In favor of the repeal of DADT.
    Brevity doesn't lend to sensitivity nor cogent and informed commentary in response to obviously "organized" participation.

  52. James F. Poe | December 7, 2010 at 2:29 pm |

    A couple of comments from 1993 Clinton attempt to remove the ban seem appropriate here:

    Former Commandant of the Marine Corps, General Barrow, called lifting the ban “one of the cruelest, most ill-advised, despicable acts perpetrated on an institution that has a certain purity to it.”

    Deputy Chaplain for the Marine Corps, Father Eugene Gomulka: “I seriously question that there are sufficient numbers of clergy and recruits from those few religious bodies that condone homosexual conduct to man an all volunteer force.”

  53. I don't care who you sleep with, but I care about our country's defense. So, when a national emergency occurs that requires the draft……which of the male gays in a couple will be called to serve? Can either one claim, as in a heterosexual marriage with a female, that only one serves? What if one is disabled, but the other male is capable of serving? Can the healthy one opt out of the draft? What about a male couple that adopts children? Will they claim that one male must stay out of the service to care for the child? These questions need to be addressed before anything changes.

  54. I totally support the repeal of DADT. Served as an officer in the U.S. Army for over 10 years and knew many gay/lesbians in all enlisted/officer/general ranks. Was never an issue. Cultural norms are once again moving appropriately toward inclusion. THIS has been the history of the United States and reflects the intent of the Constitution. Interestingly, out of 26 countries that participate in NATO militarily , 22 of them support the right for openly gay/lesbian citizens to serve in their military. This includes Britain, France, Spain, Japan, Israel, Italy, Ireland, Peru, Australia, Germany and Russia. China and the United States are the only two prominent countries who fail to do so. Their social inclusion made NO impact on military readiness. Fear-based exclusion has failed to manifest any impact on functional reality. Historical cultural viewpoints on this issue in America are being replaced with new inclusive generations and will invitably win out in the end. That is the history of America. Those who choose to foster fear-based viewpoints will represent a minority within society.

  55. Stop using the crappy argumetn that Spain, France, UK, etc. etc. etc. all have gays in their military. Which country supports all of those other countries. None of them are worth a nickle without the US backing them up. DADT works as obviously stated by 'KK-Vet-Retired' and 'Barbwire' among others. You want to serve, serve, just keep it to yourself and stop trying to put the issue into everyone elses face. All who think this is 'hate' talking are sorely mistaken. This is about preserving an institution and way of life that still stands for something. You want to openly serve as a gay in the military, move to Canada, Spain, Denmark or any other those other countries that will welcome you with open arms. For those of you who are gay and have served honorably in the military without rebuke because you kept your private life private, what were you not able to do that the repeal of DADT will allow you to do? The answer to this question should determine the repeal of DADT.

  56. Hello david, did any superior or subordinate know about your sexual orientation prior to retirement? How do you feel about an openly gay Marine?

  57. Ken McManaman | December 7, 2010 at 3:32 pm |

    No way with this economy!

  58. kevin hinson | December 7, 2010 at 3:36 pm |

    my personal thought is the dadt polocy should stand but with some revisions being gay should not net you a discharge it should clearly state that as with hetrosexuals a degree of privacy must be maintained in my expereince the dadt policy has been manipulated by cowards trying to get out of military service or wartime service by pretending to be gay. the figures given of acual dadt violations that are acually true may be fractional instead of whole and also accordance with the spousal policy the term marriage started in the biblical sense a union before god and man i do think gay marriage is a direct deviance from the acual definition of marriage, therefore because it is not an acual union in either sense the gay spouse benifits should be just as limited as the girlfriend or boyfriend's of a hetrosexual soldier furthermore as we all know favoritisim is not part of the us military or the united states we all have an equal stake here

  59. As a former Inspector General NCO, I spent the majority of my two years [7 out of 10 cases] chasing down Soldiers [male and female] who were derelict in providing support for their spouses. The females were just as bad if not worse than the male service members for neglecting their legal dependents. This included support money, ID cards, housing when a Soldier and spouse were separated, food money, etc. At the present the military can only enforce that the married Soldier provide about 50% of his/her BAH until a court order specifies differently. I am absolutely thankful that I retired before this policy is repealed because not one military regulation is currently prepared to deal with this issue. As soon as you allow openly gay Soldiers to serve, then you are going to have to explain why they can serve, but are not allowed to receive BAH, Housing, money for food, etc. in the same forms as their heterosexual counerparts.

  60. None of the finance, leadership, command policy, or legal regs can addresss these issues at present. As soon as this is repealed their is going to be a bees nest at every legal, equal opportunity, and inspector general offcie across the military. These are the issues that politicians do not realize and the reason why they should stay out of military issues. Combat readiness will be shot to hell because leaders will be spending all of their time unscrewing this problem. Let us not forget that the mission of the military is to fight and win the Air and Land Battles of the United States and is dependent on readiness. Thank God I don't have to deal with this anymore.

  61. There are sexualy aggressive homosexuals out there, I know because I've seen them! I do not want them arround me or near me, or those who like to have relationships with animals or something else in nature! I have seen the incident facts on D.O.D. paper that prove that there have same sex rapes and two were discharged for sexual relations with farm animals! Thats sick.
    I do not want to shower and some "it" tell me what a nice service member I have. Homosexuals have the agenda of obtaining benefits with the federal government on par with recognized minorities. Homosexuals want that combat support job that the minorities have, anybody noticed who's doing all the dying in this war! Go back to your city club or your front porch and play with your banjo!

  62. OMG, Corporal Hadley, are you still in? You're probably "tickled-pink" about this you man-juice guzzling, scary little black stain!

    I hope we don't make it easier for homosexuals, they would go "Section 8" if they didn't have anything to complain about. Keeping "gays" (happies) from being open about their private life, doesn't hurt mission readiness. Hell 89% of all W/M (women Marines) are lesbians, or in the closet, and they just keep on joining.

    Sodom and Gamora dog!

  63. Toelzer – Encouraging others to move out of the country to be themselves is ridiculous. You're claiming others have more right to serve in the millitary than others. Citizens are citizens. Ever read the Constitution and the protection of individual's rights in America? What other countries have done to integrate all citizens in the ranks of the military is very relevant, as it contradicts the nay-sayers fear-based arguments against inclusion. They have shown it is a mere prejudice and not a factual argument about military functioning. ALL institutions undergo transformation as culture changes in society over time. Historical fact. The military is no different in this respect and will transform. Race is no longer a justifable predujice. Gender exclusion is no longer an issue. Homosexuality will be no different. Telling gay individuals to keep certain parts of their lives to themselves in order not offend others is hate and prejudice masked as heterosexual entitlement.

  64. What kind of bathrooms and showers should they now have?

  65. How do you know which on is the spouse?

  66. "For since the creation of the world, His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so they are without excuse……..Professing to be wise, they became fools and changed the glory of incorruptible God into the image made like corruptible man………Therefore God gave them up to uncleanness, in the lust of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie and worshipped the creature rather than the Creator. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their woman exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due……………..(those) who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them." Sure, some of us are homophobic (whatever), we just don't to see you practice your homosexuality in Hell.

  67. This truly is an issue of dispute with a lot of factors to consider. While I have no problem with one's sexuality, you do have to view every aspect. Even though they have been serving in the military forever and some have excelled in their military career, what about the young ones that plan to enter? Cause everyone knows with age comes wisdom. And let's be honest, there are a lot of flamboyant ones out there who's probably gonna try to prove something to someone or themselves and join who shouldn't even give it a second thought. Then they're in basic training complaining it's too hard or it's too much and want to go home which in turn is wasting government time, resources and money.

  68. "Robert' – Serving in the U.S. Military is a privilege not a right. I was commenting on the NATO aspect and how the other NATO nations, albeit inferior, allow opeing homosexual behavior. If you desire to serve in the U.S. military follow the rules. If you desire to serve openly gay then join the military of a country that allows this. This doesn't mean you have to give up your citizenship and you are certainly defending the same missions the U.S. would most likely be involved in. What's more important, your right to express your homosexuality or the defense of your nation. No where in the constitution does it guarantee your right to sexual orientation. We need to stop comparing the civil rights movement and religious freedom with sexual orientation.

  69. Answer the difficult questions before integrating gays into the military. Gay men and women are not the difficult issue although they are a dilemma. What do you do with a male Transexual for example? Are they male or female? Regardless of whether they have had an operation. Do they sleep in the men's barracks or the women's? Are the hormonal treatments covered? Can they serve in Combat units? You want to integrate into the military then get busy answering the critical questions. Let's answer the hard questions and stop the knee jerk reaction to immediately integrate. This was be incredibly stupid and self serving. Not to mention very detrimental to the gay rights movement.

  70. I am retired Army and do not support open gays in the military. I think the current policy should stay as it is now. I also do not support benefits for partners of gays. That would open the doors to any single military person inviting their girl friend or boy friend to move in with them and they would want married benefits of the military. As a Christian, I cannot support the gay lifestyle and don't want it imposed on me and my family. I do not hate anyone, but believe that it is wrong to live that lifestyle. My stand has nothing to do with fear of them, it has to do with the fear for them. I do believe that you cannot be a Christian and accept their lifestyle as being in accordance with the teaching of Christ.

  71. The issue is not whether gays and lesbians can serve in the military. It’s whether they can serve openly in the military. Serving openly could affect good order and discipline of some units. In my opinion simply changing the regulation to reflect that no one will be pursued or forced out is a wise decision. Gay and lesbian members should and have served superbly for years in the military. However, just as I am required to keep my faith and other issues of my personal life discrete to not offend anyone, sexual preference should also be kept discrete. Should our gay and lesbian citizens be able to serve? ABSOLUTLY!

  72. Fred Fawcett | December 7, 2010 at 5:34 pm |

    If God has a problem with gays and their lifestyle then God will deal with it when Judgement is made. Nobody appointed anyone here in this life to be the morals police so back off and let people live. I suspect that God will judge the bigots and haters more harshly than those who are attracted to and love each other, gay or straight. If you want to make this a more moral society, remember that hate is a grave and serious sin that you will have to answer for. The gays that I served with never gave any of their fellow soldiers any problem, they just did their jobs like the rest of us.

  73. those who wanna cite UCMJ, isn't doggy style Illegal under the UCMJ? listed under sodomy? What about masturbation? (I think so but I'm not sure) any one wanna try telling a Marine he/she has to restrict all of his/her sexual acts to the missionary position only? how about trying to tell a grunt not to masturbate? You'll get your eye poked out. plain and simple, I'm straight, with kids, I'm a vet, 0311 MOS, actually served in combat with gay troops, and I think that the UCMJ is out dated in some areas, while ahead of it's time in others. I agree with a lot of folks out there, if they're man enough to lay their life on the line, then their man enough to have my respect for it

  74. All this talk and so many of you have no idea what or who you are talking about. I know several gay men who’s names are on the Vietnam Wall. They died defending our country where they can’t even hold hands without harraent. Shame on you! Oh yeah, the Bible, you need to study that book a little more closely and in depth. Jesus never made any reference to same sex relationships, obviously he didn’t think it was that relevent.

  75. 10 yearsafter | December 7, 2010 at 6:36 pm |

    I will support gay gals and guys etc when we are flying around in jet cars like we where promosed back in the 50's

  76. We all sign on the dotted line and agree to give up certain liberties to be a part of the disciplined military. We don't get to choose where we get stationed, whether or not to get deployed, what job we get to do, etc. We just suck it up and move on. There are mission impacts to homosexual activity. For one, there are numerous homophobes in the military, and that's not something that can just be trained out of people. Violence against the gays will increase. Remember, while 70% of troops are cool with gays serving, that means 30% are NOT. Two, long deployments increase the chance of sexual assault. Ever think why women are assaulted more frequently on FOBs? More gays = more sexual assaults against men. For those of men, just think, if you've been deployed for 6 months and you saw a smoking hot woman in the shower, would you want her that much more? To the point of losing control? Rapes will increase.

  77. Three, even if gays are separated and given their own facilities, what would that do perceived fairness? Morale? How many logistical issues do we have to consider for deployments and training now? Four, health issues. Hepatitis and HIV are more prevalent in the gay community. While it may not seem like a huge to deal to most, there are reasons why homosexual activity is banned from military service. I personally have no problem with gay people and I wish them the best, but we need to adhere to good order and discipline.

  78. Rober House | December 7, 2010 at 7:06 pm |

    KKVet Retired.

    You have stated your views very calmly, intelligently and with a lot of common sense. I have to agree with most of your comments.

    In rebuttal to a few of the foregoing comments about how there were no problems with integrating blacks and women into the military. I disagree about the women part. They are still causing many problems in the military because of sexual affairs and because of the vast difference of how women lead and how men lead. Male and Female brains work differently. Don't think so? Talk to your wife or husband.

    I retired over 30 years ago and there were far fewer women in the Navy at that time and there were problems even then. The problems have only gotten worse since. You young people that have grown up with it don't see it, but we older folks do. You can say yeah, yeah, he's just an old fart and what does he know………history……..that's what we know……..history.

  79. The Defense Investigative Service reversed their policy of not giving security clearances to gays and lesbians in 1987. In short, as long as during the investigation they were forthcoming and did not hide, attempt to hide, cover up or deny AND all other sources interviewed were truthful, they were then given a security clearance. Security clearances are not only for the military but for other agencies, contractors and more.

    More "straight" individuals were caught in lies than those with alternative lifestyles.

    The most frightening thing is change but it is how well we handle that change that makes us better for it.

  80. I was in the Army for 4 years. I think that it does not matter if you are gay or straight to be able to do a good job. Many gay and lesbians are already in the military. The same benefits should be given to same sex partners once they have committed to each other through a civil union or in some states marriage. America is always changing and this is a good change!

  81. Any person who is willing to fight and die for this country deserves to be open about who they are and who they love, DADT should be repealed! As for the benefits for their spouses this should be equal too. I have read a lot of comments on here comparing gay and lesbian spouses to boyfriend and girlfriends please remember that in most states gays and lesbians are unable to marry so this fact is impossible to change. A domestic partner should get all benefits of a spouse. The 1996 Defense of Mar¬riage Act is illegal in itself and is discriminatory.

  82. I offer my full support to open military service for everyone. We desperately need every dedicated member to pull his or her share. Over time, the adjustments will be made and solutions found. It’s never easy to accommodate change but the military as always will pull together and carry out their orders.

  83. Proud to Serve | December 7, 2010 at 9:00 pm |

    Wow. As I read through all of the comments, I felt both joy and sorrow. I retired from the Army after 24-years of dedicated service; experienced
    a great deal in those years and I whole heartedly believe the military taught me, not only about diversity, but about inclusivity. I remember early
    on in my career, as an enlisted soldier I served alongside men who wore mascara and women who were stronger than most men I knew.
    I thank God, I was raised to love people for who they are and not based of their race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Gay men and
    women have been proudly serving in the military, probably since the military's existence. We should be afforded the same rights and benefits
    as any other soldier, air(wo)man, marine or sailor. But here lies the problem, if marriage is only defined between a man and woman, how can
    same-gender loving people in committed relationships be afforded the same benefits as their heterosexual counterparts. I have same-gender
    loving friends who have been together over 25-years and I have been in a same-gender relationship for almost 10-years. Is this not marriage?

  84. Proud to Serve | December 7, 2010 at 9:01 pm |

    Often times, we hear such rhetoric as identified in some of the resposes above, such as, "they will compromise morale and safety of … I will
    tell you that militants have other things to worry about, like dodging bullets and IEDs than to be worried if the person who is going to save their
    life is gay or straight. Give me a break! It is time to lift the veil of discrimination and do the right thing.

  85. Proud to Serve | December 7, 2010 at 9:02 pm |

    Tell me this, would you prefer to have an authentic and openly gay person or a fraudulent, lying, closeted person standing in the foxhole with you? I like to know where a man or woman stands and I don't want to second guess everything he or she says to me. I would much rather serve with someone who is
    comfortable inside their own skin, than with one who is preoccupied and not focused because they are busy trying to keep their stories straight
    for fear of detection. One of the respondents basically said, "serve and keep your mouth shut." I say, it takes a lot more effort to conceal than to go
    natural. To the gay men and women who continue to serve in the military, the day is coming when you can be the true, authentic you without fear of
    reprocussion. In the mean time, keep setting the example and serve proudly. Peace, from a radically inclusive, open and affirming MAJ (retired) African-American
    Lesbian. Hooaah

  86. Please tell me how Canada, the UK, Israel and the rest of our allies manage to have sound miliarty forces without this dumb restriction. Tell the Canadians, Brits and Israelis that their forces inferior.

  87. Quit trying to legitimize this lifestyle. Be all the gay you can be, just not on my post, base, or ship. I just finished 25 years of military service and find it unbelievable that we can go from Leavonworth to entitlements for the same behavior. This lifestyle is incapable of producing life so why promote it. A country cannot be replenished in such a way. It is another nation killing idea being pushed by liberals. Gay families and abortions will not a country make. Do the math, both add up to ZERO futures.

  88. common sense | December 7, 2010 at 9:33 pm |

    It seems this is all about benefits/ everyone who thinks they should have to the fullest. I dont believe that being gay is biological, but a choice. Its my opinion and i have that right. Can i ask, What is a matter with being single and those benefits? So if i have a girlfriend and i do not marry her, but we have been together forever….should i get marital benefits? Absolutely not. This what i chose for live my life and not cry about free money and benefits. I wonder how the Dads and Moms feel of the "Look at me and i am special" gays about not carrying on their family bloodlines. Now thats biological, A species that breeds and reproduces.

  89. It will eventually put our children at risk.

  90. Ironhand USMC | December 7, 2010 at 9:38 pm |

    The possible repeal of the present DADT policy has taken on a flavor, which I had not thought it would have. I do agree that this issue is a Political Hot Potatoe, but for the love of God, let us all get on with the business of restoring our country to what it once was, before all the Liberal, and some Conservative types alike, screwed up our great country, just so they could further their Political and Personal agendas. As for Homosexual types serving openly in our country's military services, all one has to do, is ask the people of our military presently serving within the Rank and File of any of our nation's military services, you'll get your answer to that question Loud and Clear, I asure you of this.

  91. Technically, if they want to serve and prove themselves then let them but just got me concern is there safety that is all, i have nothing against homosexuality -i am straight- its just knowing what others would think

  92. Ironhand USMC | December 7, 2010 at 9:50 pm |

    Should DADT be repealed, and Homosexuals be allowed to serve openly within the Rank and File of our nation's military services, this shall turn around and bight the Liberal, and some of the Conservative types alike, in their collect backsides. If all the brainiacs who are pushing for the repeal of the present DADT policy had to endure the proposed repeal, and or changes involving the entire issue, then perhaps these brainiacs would not be going about pushing for the repeal of DADT at all. Those who would see to it, that the DADT policy be repealed, have only their own personal agendas in mind here, and do not genuinely care one way or the other for whether the Homosexual community is represented fairly or not. If the repeal of DADT fails
    to come about, then all this Hub Bub was for NO bloody good reason, and a whole lot of money and resources were put forth, with little to show for the efforts, but a Bill which must be paid for whole affair.

  93. Mike vet, surely you don’t believe that gays would harm our dependents. The vast majority of sexual assaults are committed by heterosexuals, and generally by a relative! Your unfounded assumptions are clearly from ignorance and propaganda. As I see it, gays are not looking for special rights, just equal rights, which should be afforded them because of our constitution. I’ve had the foresight of living through the civil rights struggle, as well as Women equality and these same thesis were used in an attempt to keep rights away from them. It was said that black men would run rampage on white women. That women couldn’t and should not be placed in position of leadership . Military women were lower than freshman male recruit. In my opinion, Milspouse, the Defense of Marriage Act should be fought against. It allowed a few, to govern and rationalize the lives of others using puritanical concepts and prejudices. 

    In conclusion, if one people are restricted, we all as a nation are restricted. Intelligent debate is welcomed. Over 23 years careerist.

    Bravo sir, well said with eloquence and unbiased rationale. Sad that the crippling mentality of fear, ignorance and religious propaganda has been allowed to incubate in the minds of so many for so long. Even more sad that we as a nation once stood oppressed, we cried for liberty, freedom and the pursuit of happiness for all men (and women supposedly), and later when it suited the economic conscience of the political and financial majority, we decreed that all men were created equal as well. But today, when the need isn’t present, those very voices remain silent, or even worse, defiant to leadership which echoes those very sentiments upon which this nation was built. Alas America, when did we become so righteous that we ourselves became the wardens who we once revolted against??? The famous words “Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori” now leaves a stained and bitter taste in  the mouths of those like myself, who have served faithfully and continue to do so today, for the belief of a “free nation” upon which my children and generations to come may look up to and emulate the good which we stood for, rather than the “right” the ignorant and self righteous minority has bolstered. I conclude by highlighting our solemn proclaim that “Out of many stand one,” but which one are we today? 

  94. This makes me sick!! Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves! Who cares about “cultural norms”!! It is immoral and wrong to be gay/lesbian. No one wants to see it either! This bill will not pass!! EVER! Keep your business to yourself becasue no one wants to know about it or see it.

  95. As one Master Chief Petty Officer once wrote in a Pro/Con backpage article in Navy Times some years ago, what do you tell your Kids when you're standing in line at the Base Housing Office and the Gay or Lesbian Couple in front of them gets the last available House for the next 6 months?

  96. This is not about DADT, it is about military benefits. Military benefits in general have affected the institution of marriage within the institution of the military. The military has a 50% divorce rate, last I checked. Probably higher as the ops tempo has not slowed – as much as Obama would like the general public to believe it has. I digress, There are issues saturating the military and it's life style that require all to often quick marriages to persue relationships that should never lead to marriage. Marriage seems to be the band-aid of the real issues here.

  97. All I can say is that AM1960 is nothing more than an idiot, I am retired WWII Veteran and have served with gays on every ship I was in and there were no problems

  98. This is to RobJ,you had better go back into history and do alot of reading.The people that wrote the constitution were Christian,and what they wrote was based on values from the Bible. Not one word was said about gays. And by the way,in the dictionary gay meansmerry,happy,joyous lively and lighthearted. What we are talking about is homosexuals… But the writters were mostly Christians. And as for you kkvet retired,Who is ingnorant? YOU are. You HAVE YOUR opinion,and I HAVE MY OWN………

  99. Ironhand USMC | December 7, 2010 at 10:01 pm |

    As for my personal view on the repeal of the DADT policy, I say "NO", don't repeal the policy, nor modify the exsisting policy one bloody bight. Let the DADT policy stand as is, just like when Bill Clinton signed it into law during his Presidency. I see NO bloody Up Side to the repeal of DADT. Now there are many a Homosexual type out there who shall not like, nor share what I have conveyed herein, and they are entitled to not agree, ,just as I am entitled NOT to agree or like the life style they live, period. The needs of the many, out weigh the needs of the few, or in other words, there are a whole lot more
    Non-Homosexuals in this world of ours, than there are Homosexuals. The Majority should need not have to endure anything which the Minority (Homosexuals) deem they want voted in place, just to be Stylish.

  100. princesssky12 | December 7, 2010 at 10:11 pm |

    Ignorant who think that because of Sexual Orientation no one will be able to do there work. Heterosexuals have done Inmoral things and they still are able to join the armend forces . What a human being dose in thire bed is there buissiness not the peoples. Ignorance is the reason for this situation.Why sexual orientatin will affect the ability of a human being do there work correcly. Gays have the right to defend there country like heterosexuals. I now servicemen that are gay and the are exelent soldiers,experts in ther warrior tasks and Drills and will give there live for all the ignorant human beings that oppose there right to Defend there country. Most of the people that desagree will not even go to a Recruiting Station to join and serve there country because they are ignorant Bastards that dont have a clue on what is to defend there country. Lack of sence of Duty loyalty and extream lack of LOVE FOR WHAT THE US STANDS FOR…..

  101. NotSoPrivate | December 7, 2010 at 10:16 pm |

    What does your ability to run, shoot, KILL, evade, protect, and just SERVE in general have to do with WHO YOU SLEEP WITH?

    These attitudes make me WISH I could "Gay Out" of the military. I'm sickened by my "coworkers" who are basically telling me that my gay battle buddies, even though trained and tested EXACTLY THE SAME are LESS than their straight counterparts.

    I can tell you that I would NEVER leave a fallen comrade–and neither would they–our Army Values are the same. We don't pick and choose. We're ARMY STRONG. And we're only that strong TOGETHER.

  102. Ironhand USMC | December 7, 2010 at 10:17 pm |

    As for several people who are in favor of repealing DADT, based on what other country's military services around the globe have done, and are doing in this regard, they are NOT the military services of our great nation, so what they have, or are doing in this regard, bares Zero weight in our United States Of America, period. If one gives a mouse a slice of cheese, they are going to want a glass of milk as well. Stop this entire crusade to repeal DADT once and for all! Leave the issue of Homosexuals serving openly in America's military services right where it stands presently, and do NOT alter a thing. If my comments herein do not set well within the Homosexual community, then so be it. There are many who are romping about, trying their best to overturn and abolish my rights as an American, so that Homosexuals may enjoy their rights over mine. Now you know just where I stand on this issue. I shall NOT have my rights trampled on, just so the Homosexual community may have their rights supercede my own. If this issue can not be ironed out without stomping all over the majority here, the Non-Homosexual population of our country, then perhaps the casting of this play needs to remain as is, for the foreseeable future.

  103. EndTaxCuts4Thetop5% | December 7, 2010 at 10:18 pm |

    The most rediculous argument against gay's is the religious bullshyt. There is no afterlife stock market, and your not going to be standing tall before "the man" as he reads off what "commandments" you chose to obey and which you chose to ignore. Hear me out because I know there's more than a hand full of you Army homo bashers out there that have cheated on your wife. Let me be the one to point out your hypocracy, and good luck getting into your "heaven." .. But im sure you think that you can just put some extra money in the offering on Sunday and all is good right? Is that how it works?

    In a totally unrelated point, the extention of the tax cuts now make countries like Iran, Russia, and China capable of purchasing our nations debt…does anybody else seem to care about this like I do? Needless to say as a country we have more grievous issues at hand that need to be delt with. Who seriously gives a fck, let the gay's and lesbo's serve. Get off your high horse and shed your fear of the flamboyant.

  104. Ironhand USMC | December 7, 2010 at 10:27 pm |

    Homosexuals are entitled to live their life as they see fit, and I am entitled to live my life as I see fit, and have seen fit to, for all the years of my life to date.

    I trample on NO man or womans rights, I never have, nor shall I endure anyone to trample all over my rights either! I am an old school type, with old school values and principles. I do NOT enjoy the lack of Morality which our present day society continually displays, and continually attempts to place this lack of Morality, over people such as myself, who know who I am, and what I am, and where I have come from. I Love my country more than mere words can describe. I have seen and experienced humanity at its best, but I have also witnessed humanity at its worst.

  105. I served as a Navy Chaplain for 20. This is not a civil rights issue. There is no civil right to serve in the military. If there were, the handicapped would have a right to serve, as would the physically disabled. It is quite simply the right of the nation to choose those who they would have serve.

    Secondly, I worry that the next step will be to tell chaplains not to preach according to their church dictates. 65-75% of chaplains belong to denominations that do not sanction homosexuality. Will chaplains will have their prophetic voices silenced? Will they be sent up on charges for what they preach? or receive bad fitness reports for keeping to their religious backgrounds?

    DADT was a solution imposed by fiat by President Clinton. It was imposed because he could NOT get a complete repeal passed through Congress. One has not been passed through Congress even yet. So, it deserves hearings and a bill.

    This is a very tricky issue, with many constituiencies and opinions to be considered, and cannot be worked out in an immediate fashion. It should be legislated, and I believe the Congress needs to produce a workable solution, not left to the bureaucrats in Admin or a couple of liberal judges who have never served in combat.

  106. Declaring domestic partners, you cannot discriminate against male/female unmarried couples. So every grunt in the service will be moving in and out more than one gilrfriend. No divorce lawyer nessessary? Who's going to make the decisions on who is who? This is a disaster in the making.

  107. i am a gay serving presently n bathing amongst those who call themeselves straight.i have no interest at all with any straight.they are all fack,hidding n fucking each other when their gf fail to come.some of them are nasty n would not be my if i were a girl.i know my job n even teach them how to.u think we are sick?why not beat the gay next to u in ur job?

  108. I'll tell you right now that first fag that is my roomate is the first fag this will go out the fucking window

  109. Reality is many people with homosexual feelings can’t handle the close environments and choose to get out. What happens when they can’t?

  110. I am posting this for my boyfriend in order to protect his identity:

    “How about serve with honor, honor that we do not have under DADT. How can I have honor within myself if I have to lie about who I am every day? How about integrity, can’t have that under DADT if I have to hide and lie abot who I am. Here is a big one for me, how about serving without fear, the fear that if I am “found out” that I will loose my job. That’s just a few things right off the top of my head.”


    I saw the stress it caused him while serving in Iraq, trying to hide who he is. It was especially difficult when he returned to Iraq after leave and everyone was talking about all the girls they banged on leave, while he couldn’t discuss how he spent a wonderful time with the one man he loves! Please repeal DADT!

  111. 20 Year Marine, deployed 7 1/2 years out of 20. In a two year period I was home for 4 months. My 2 year old daughter asked me if I was her Daddy when I walked in the door. Don't talk to me about stress! Talk to me about personal sacrifice for your country without whining and complaining about your stress level or what your country can give to you. Grow up and be a man! Grab a tool box and get your ass out there and fix that plane. I could care less what your sexual preference is.


  112. I think what concerns me most about repealing this ban is this: in the last 15 hours there have been 250 some odd NEGATIVE comments. Ignorant, self-indulged, NAIVE comments from people both that serve or HAVE served. Will allowing openly gay persons serve in the military effect the norm . . . absolutely. Will we eventually get used to it? Absolutely. I think the hardest part is going to be controlling the individuals already serving that are completely against the repeal.

    I've been in 7 years. I'm not naive enough to think that some of the men and women I've served with were homosexual. I'm not ignorant enough to lay claims to what will or won't happen in the near and distant future. But I am concerned that there are persons (as illustrated by some of the comments I've read) that will advocate against this to the extreme. Good Soldiers that excel and are worthy of promotions/special duty assignments getting shafted (no pun intended) by narrow-minded "old school" leadership just because a Soldier may be gay.

  113. Soldiers that are on their first term or just entering the military . . . go for it. Even though I've only seen 7 years of Soldiers . . . the US Soldier has changed siginificantly in that time frame ranging from a lack of respect to obesity to downright laziness. But the Army has managed to cope and make do. Let the new influx of Soldier "bring in" homosexuality and let them decide (while they still only have "x" number of years to serve) if the military has accepted this repeal and if it's the right lifestyle for them.

    Again, I'm for the repeal, but unfortunately I fear that there are enough people against it that the repercussions could be adverse.

  114. enginehouse2417 | December 8, 2010 at 12:22 am |


  115. im thinking of buying stock in,soap on the rope..

  116. Many have made the argument that the sexual preference of the person is not important and only the work they do is. But in the military u are asked to share extremely person quarters and work spaces from open showers to sleeping in the same rack or working inches from another person. How can anyone outside the military say there shouldn’t be a DADT policy because it is not politically correct. The fact is there not the one put in the situation.

    U could argue saying as a gay man that u have no attraction to the straight fellow service men u work for ,but u would be lying to say none of the gay men are attracted to them. Intact a handful enjoy attending to “turn” a straight guy to perform a gay act. Until the day the military decides to fully intergrate no longer seperating men and women then there is no way a straight man should be forced to life with homosexuals and share all the facilities.

  117. La_maripoza | December 8, 2010 at 2:36 am |

    have you considered that you now have quality because there are LGB serving?

  118. Ironhand USMC | December 8, 2010 at 2:48 am |

    So there are some of you out there in cyber land that have difficulty with my Old English manner of my postings. Here is what I can do for you right now.
    Any American may live their life as it suites them, as long as they do not violate the Laws Of The Land here in the good ole USA. Now some people do not know what that actually means, so here you go. Everyone knows that if you hold up a bank at gun point, break into someones home, rape, assault, or violate someones Constitutional Rights, etc, etc, then you are in fact breaking the Law Of Our Land here. I would think that my choice of wording here, is more western world, than Old English. If I am going too fast for a select few of you out there in cyber land, please speak up, and I will go as slow as the slowest person, so that all will be able to grasp what I am posting here. This DADT issue is a Political Hot Potatoe, and nothing but that. When all the yelling is over with, and DADT is repealed, and I am fairly certain that it will be, Mr. Obama will have succeeded in keeping his promise.

  119. Ironhand USMC | December 8, 2010 at 3:00 am |

    With regard to DADT eventually being repealed, Mr. Obama and his band of Liberals will have one heck of a party whe this is accomplished. As for the amount of money which will have been spent in getting DADT repealed and implimented throughout our country's military, well there is yet another portion of the already out of control national debt, which the working class of Americans will have to shoulder. Oh boy, I can hardly wait. Repealing DADT is not just an issue which didn't need to be addressed right now, but what the heck, allow the Mr. Obama and all his Liberal minded types to keep piling more and more on the already full plate of the citizens of our country. We're Americans, we can take it, no matter how much, or how questionable it may be, keep piling the crap on why don't ya.

  120. La_maripoza | December 8, 2010 at 3:01 am |

    MJB, go clean the beer cans out of your double wide and try to remember that imbreeding produces stupid children; too late.

  121. Ironhand USMC | December 8, 2010 at 3:14 am |

    There are NO Statesmen in any of the positions which the present people had been elected to, not a one. There are some elected officials who may from time to time speak as if they are Statesmen, and they may even appear to be Statesmen like on occasion, but that is about all that is left in America's elected positions within our country's governemntal body. This type of elected official has filtered down to the townships, city, county and state levels across our country. How sad this is, really, how sad indeed. Whether or not a certain item would be good for all Americans, takes second seat to that which would is not so good for all Americans, at all levels of government nationwide. So what corrective action may be taken by the citizens of America, outside of when it is time to re-elect/elect someone. Does anyone out there in cyber land have an answer to this question?

  122. DADT was a quiet way for protection of the gay man in the military. With it now out in the open for everyone, don't say we told you so. There will be more beatings than ever before. Just watch. Homosexuality is a social stigma that will always be. I'm sorry guys and girls. That's just the way the world is.

  123. This debate is typical of this day and age I guess. Hey… we've got the strongest, most efficient and most successful military in the history of the world and they have defended this Nation since 1775 by governing themselves and functioning within their own laws and rules. So why change what works? Because a handful of liberals and special interest groups want to make noise and see what other things they can change to suit their "way of life". The majority of service men and women are there to serve their Country and are willing to do so in accordance with the laws and rules of the United States Armed Forces. Stop trying to change what has worked perfectly fine for over 200 years and allow the Armed Forces, not Capitol Hill, to set military standards. If you enlist in the Armed Forces you so do so with the understanding, you are there to serve them, they are not there to serve you. You want to have a gay military? Start your own gay military but leave the United States military alone. If it ain't broke…don't fix it!
    Semper Fi…

  124. Ironhand USMC | December 8, 2010 at 3:38 am |

    I do not believe that ignorance in and of itself is the total issue, when it comes to Homosexuals not being widely accepted. Ignorance can, and usually is overcome through education. The issue of Homosexuality goes past normal education main streams. For so many people here in our country, me included, it is a Morality issue. It is how so many Americans are hard wired, due to when we were growing up. For a great many Americans, religion played such a huge role in how many Americans, including me, view Homosexuality. What I have poisted here is not an excuse, but rather a viable explaination.

  125. Ironhand USMC | December 8, 2010 at 3:46 am |

    For those of you out there who have read some of my postings, and you did not like what you had read, I offer no apology for my choice of words, other than when I had left out a letter, or mis-spelled a word. My thoughts and view points are my own, and rightfully so, just like all of you out there in cyber land.
    For those of you who may have gotten P'd off at what I had posted, or were not sure where exactly I was coming from, believe me people, there was a time in my life, when I would have cared less for your opinion of what I hade said. Back in the day, if I genuinely wanted anyones opinion, I simply would have given it to them. So today, with this DADT issue sitting front and center before us, it will certainly be on the fore front, at least for a little while.

  126. Ironhand USMC | December 8, 2010 at 3:55 am |

    Everyone has an opinion, or view point about something which is happening in, and for our country. Today, this week, it is the repealing of the DADT policy. Tomorrow it will be something else all together. What should remain in plain view for all of us here in America, is what we need to do in order to get our country back to what it once was, before this, and past administrations were aloowed to screw up our country, in more ways than just the fiscal. America use to be the land where everyone dreamed of coming to. If anyone cares to check it out, this is not the case today, as it was in years past. Our country's Dollar does not hold its own around the globe like it use to, and this is a shame people My biggest fear is that I will live to see the America which is my brith right, come crashing to her knees, because WE had not acted in such a manner, which would stop this from happening to begin with.

  127. Ironhand USMC | December 8, 2010 at 4:05 am |

    One person can not change what has happened to our country. One voice is only so loud. I do not like what has happened to the America which I grew up in, fought for, and live within her borders today. There is so much that has gone wrong in our country, and the end of these wrongs is not in sight, from my stand point of view. If we do not fix what is broken within our country, then our children and grand children will be saddled with having to do, what we failed to get accomplished, and this is another thing which would be wrong.
    It is my belief that with enough hard work, most all of what has gone down hill here in our country, can be corrected, and set on a righteously positive pathway. The decision to get our country back on her feet is ours to make, and ours to do, and do now, without further delay.

  128. Ironhand USMC | December 8, 2010 at 4:17 am |

    "We The People" of America, have a duty to bring our country back from the brink of total fiscal failure. We have a duty to get people back to work, by getting the jobs back in our country, and not out sourced overseas. We have a duty to protect our country, and keep her safe for all who live within her borders. We have a duty to our fellow Americans safe and secure, no matter where they may be around the globe, but especially right here on the home front. We as Americans can not wait for our government to safe guard our borders, or to stop the Terrorists from invading our country. This task is far too big, for just our governmental body to take care of. We as Americans have the right and the duty to stop those who would do our country harm, no matter where that harm comes from. Finally, we as Americans have the obligation to take care of our fellow Americans right here in our own country, before we extend our hand to help others around the globe.

  129. This is just the gay communities way of trying to legitimize their sexual preference so that they can try to make it nationally legislated in every state that they can have the right to marry and be treated the same as real married couples benefit wise in our constitution. It's their way in through the back door since the front door didn't work for them over the years. If they really wanted to serve in our military, they would keep their personal lives and professional lives seperate. As far as benefits- when the USA legislates in all states that homosexuals can get married- then give benefits. Before that- the military is just giving selective benefits. Giving homosexual "spouses" benefits would add up to the same as the military offering benefits to a fiance if the military gives benefits to homosexual spouses. Which is nonexistent for straight couples who have to actually marry to get benefits. Like I said, benefits should be given in the military not one day before it's legal in all states for homosexuals to get married. How much you wanna bet that since all states don't offer that right now, the military will give "partners" a pass and benefits?

  130. Ironhand USMC | December 8, 2010 at 4:24 am |

    For all those out there in cyber land, who have read my previous postings, you may want to read my last 3 or 4 postings, and then readjust yourselves, as afr as your opinion of this American Patriot. There are many aspects of what our country is going through right now, which does not set well with me at all. Taking care of all Americans, no matter where they may be around the globe, is always first and foremost on my list to do. Americans taking care of our own, prior to extending that helping hand to others around the world, this is what I believe we as Americans must do for our countrymen and women, always! If there is anyone out there in cyber land who disagrees with this plan, then please speak up, and present your plan, or get yourselves on board, and let us get the job done.

  131. Ironhand USMC | December 8, 2010 at 4:27 am |

    I do apologize for the mis-spoelled words in my previous postings. Thank You all for your attention.

    "Semper Fidelis"

  132. I understand that all the military needs is a marriage certificate so I didn't mean to insinuate that the military would give homosexuals a pass. What I meant was wondering if it's not legal in most states for homosexuals to marry, how do all the homosexual military couples plan on legitimizing their marriage to the military if not legal in their state? Fly to vegas or a state that says it's legal for homosexuals to marry and then give that certificate to the military?

  133. I am not worried about sharing government housing with homosexuals or benefits. If they establish that right in the USA's leaders eyes and it's written into national law, then fine. I won't have a problem with them having benefits. I don't agree with their preferential choice to be homosexual. I do think this repeal is their way to try to justify to the USA that if it's okay for the military, it's okay for all 50 states. Hence, insinuating the back door entrance. I really believe that personal and professional life should remain seperate until the USA says in all 50 states that it's okay to marry for them.

  134. My main concern is that in an instance where people of different origins may scream, discrimination when in trouble for something, that the homosexuals may use scream discrimination to get their way on something or get into trouble. Believe it or not, in other cases of race, sex, religion, etc- it's worked for them as an excuse in the past- why wouldn't the homosexual community try to use it to gain their way too? As long as this is truly just a "right to be gay", rather than a " give me my way or else " circumstance. I am okay. I don't dislike homosexuals. I don't under any circumstance think their way of life is okay but that is their perogative and I will never bully them for it, but I do have a right to say I don't agree with their lifestyle choice just as they have a right to tell me of their lifestyle choice and say they don't agree with mine being married to the opposite sex.

  135. Bring on the reparations. Uncle Sam has been discriminating against Lesbian and Gay people long enough. Every service member who has been booted out for being gay deserves reinstatement, back pay, benefits and increase in rank due them.

    Ditto for every Gay American who has been denied equal tax benefits, spousal pension and social security.

    Screw discrimination!

  136. With so many other issues we have in the good ol U.S.of A like False Flag ops and puppet GOVT. This whole idea of letting the type’s that so choose such a perverse and disgusting lifstyle to openly serve in our great nations armed services is truly a sad set of events. As a MAN having served and now continuing to serve as a civillian maintaining some our great nations flying machines, it is absolutely disusting and a sever sacrilege to see a openly gay “for lace of a better word” service member in uniform let it be known that they are flamming! How as a great nation can we project a strong military if they are out in the open. What’s next PINK TANKS, HELICOPTERS, AND JETS? Or better yet how about a round of pink uniforms for everyone. SICKOS! If you wan’t to serve great just do us all a favor and keep your mouths shut, your sick lifstyles to your selves, uniforms squared away, and act like a man or woman in uniform! DADT stay’s. Take the red pill and go to, or keep taking the blue one and remain sheep.

  137. These are just my opinions. Not trying to inflame anyone. Even though I don't believe in some things, I do submit to the authority of our leaders. I don't have to like it, but I will respect it and everyone I come in contact with. God says in the Bible that being homosexual is a sin. I try my best to live by God's word every day in the way that He intended it. If my authority leaders say that being homosexual in the military is okay. I will respect their authority. Like I said, I don't have to like it, but like most everyone else… I will respect their authority.

  138. Oh by the way, Kudos to McCain for bringing up that this was the wrong time to bring this subject up in a lameduck session because the unemployment rate and taxes should have taken precedent to be discussed and this could have waited until next year.

  139. I hope my last comment wasn't deleted because it was politically incorrrect. I mentioned that when I was in Vietnam we had a person in our unit that "visited" several of us at night. After he got to me, being straight off the farm, I was unable to sleep. My effectiveness was definately compromised. I was having hallucinations due to lack of sleep. I don't know how often these things happen but they do happen. I suppose most gays would say that my
    negative exprerience is of no importance in the face of promoting diversity and political correctness. The world is so much different now. When I served the top priority was to have an effective military. Now it is more important not to offend someone, or certain someones. I haven't noticed any objections when Christians are insulted. I am opposed to gays in the military. I have empirical evidence that not all gays can control themselves. I think one incident like I experienced is too many, but I guess I'm an acceptable casualty, so to speak.

  140. I would. I don't agree with it either way. ANY act of sodomy is wrong.

  141. what male wants a homsexual doctor doing his prostate exam, or asking him to cough a couple of times? the govt is knowingly and purposely creating a hostile work environment, forcing this down the throats of over 30% of its force; in addition to shower and toilet issues, there are MOS issues; then there are retirement benefit issues and all the others that fall over into the Department of Veterans Affairs. The issue has not been fully thought thru, though about as much as govt dopes normally do; remember that only about 20,000 folks supported the ban while the silent majority, over 300,000,000, are opposed. Those in favor and who have the power to change the policy/law will not be serving with homosexuals. Keep the ban.

  142. So a straight male is can't shower/dorm with straight females, correct?

    It's not if the male finds the female attractive or viceversa. It's about having the ablilty to relax in your room. Even if I was attracted to the female in the room I might not want to room/shower with her. Nor would I impose the stress on her. As she has a right to privacy. Then if the rare chance both sides like each other -we would now have sexual tension and perhaps action in thr barracks/shower.

    Revert to name calling if you must. But I am no more homophobic about showerig with a male than I am youngtightredheadphobic in that i also don't want to shower with young redhead females. Also fatphobic and I don't want to shower with fat females.

    To argue that straight males can't room with females becuase they attack- is absurd. Fact is males who are gay are the highest sexually active group.

  143. ARE YOU KIDDING, this is 2010. Gays are not after your kids, you jerk. Your thinking is that from the 1950's.

  144. What now? I was in the USMC during the early '60's. Then you were not allowed to be in the service if you were gay. After that DADT, which I think is fine. If you are willing to fight for your country……
    Now gays serving openly? Who passed that? Who want to take shower with a Homo? If I was in the service now I wouldn't take a shower.
    You know now that it is open some Homo is going to take two hour showers. Give them their own barracks. If they want to poke and suck all nite, just don't do it around me.
    Let me say this so. They would probably be a good fighting outfit, just to prove they are as good as the next guy.

  145. diappointed | December 8, 2010 at 9:14 am |

    so, let me get this right….you are saying that people who are different than you, ie. lesbian/gay do not have honor , courage or commitment?? What a sad comment?? WHO ARE YOU TO SAY IT IS WRONG?? I didn't realize that GOD was going to be commenting on this story. AND….to answer those questions " Would a drug addict be able to serve? Would a felon?" YES AND YES….If you don't think they are serving you are mistaken. However for you to even relate these with someones sexuality is so crazy. It is people with your kind of close minded beliefs that shouldn't be serving. There is NO place in the military for discrimination. Where you not taught anything??

  146. diappointed | December 8, 2010 at 9:19 am |

    REALLY?? Don't flatter yourself!!!! Why do you all think that just bc someone is gay they are going to be attracted to YOU?? Wow.

  147. created2cater | December 8, 2010 at 9:25 am |

    Wow, there are many angry points of view on this thread and the real issue has yet to be discussed. It's not about gay or straight. It's not about DADT or freely expose your lifestyle. It's not about homophobic or not. It's not about how many soliders, sailors, or airmen have died that are gay or straight. The only issue to decide here is if "partners" receive benefits, what keeps boyfriends or girlfriends from partaking as well. Not married is not married across the board. If gay couples are recognized as couples and receive benefits then what's next? Common-law marriage would have to be recognized as well. If "couples" receive benefits then this would include those that are dating as well? I don't understand at what point this would end. I have no problem with people being gay, but the issue still remains, where is the cutoff point going to be now?

  148. From a retired SgtMaj, this should not happen. Gays do not belong in our military and they rate NOTHING.

  149. The fools in the Pentagon better reconfigure all the common shower areas on the bases into individual shower stalls with doors. This homophobe does not have any desire to be showering with a known, avowed faggot.

  150. Proud Soldier | December 8, 2010 at 9:31 am |

    DADT needs to be removed. Any Soldier, Sailor, Airmen, or Marine worth their salt, is taught to be a disciplined defender of our constitution and uphold the Values of there branch of service. After serving 16 years already, and plan on serving many more, I have known, eating chow, showered, slept, and gone to war with so many homosexuals, that I lost count.

  151. " He that complains the most shows his guilt…" Anti-gay members believe their world will be turned upside down if gays are allowed to serve. There are a few dinosaurs that truly believe that homosexuality is an abomination, but they may have an incident in their childhood.It's fear of change that motivates the naysayers. All change is painful to an extent, even change for the better.
    The military is supposed to reflect the social structure and demograhics of the country it serves. There's always been a portion of service members that were gay. If gays are so detrimental to effective leadership and an adverse affect on subordinates, how do we explain Alexander the Great? Do we say he conquered his world by military brilliance, but his homosexuality prevented him achieving total world domination? The guy never made his sexual preferences a secret, yet his tactics are taught at every war college on the planet.
    Personnally, I'm a straight grunt from the Army that married a lady Marine. My wife and I would rather serve with/under an openly gay sevice member than a narrow minded, bigoted fool that refuses to accept the world as it truly is.IF we frag the fag, we frag the flag!

  152. The Pentagon has grown into a out of control lethargic beauracratic cow since 2001 and is not winning anything by fighting. They win by inundating the opposing country with money and favors and so called diplomacy from their weak step sister, the US State Department. Allowing the change in DADT will only increase the burden of expenses it costs to supply one combat man at over $1 million dollars a year to a battle field. The US has a deficit of almost $14 trillion right now. Oh, wait, news flash. As of yesterday the extension of the Bush tax cuts added $2 more trillion to that deficit by 2012. One thing is certain in military life. You will eventually leave the military and live amonst us and may look for jobs.

  153. I served proudly and I have encouraged my son to join the Navy after College. I have now changed my mind, The Military Is not what it once was. I’m sick by the thought that these changes can cause. What about the person who does not want to share barracks ? What about the sailors who live i’n close rack space on board ship? Do we have the right to say ” we don’t want to share rooms with a lesbian or gay man? Can I tell the housing dept that Ivhave children and that i want to make sure i live next to a mom and dad and not two men or women. I will never ever allow my children to go to ANY home with two moms and two dad. I teach my children that this type of life Is Wrong and it’s not ok to be gay. If God intended for two men or two women to be a family he would have made it possible for them to have thier own children ( Which Is impossible) Shame on who Is allowing this disgusting Law to pass and run away straight men and women. What happens when gay military people who are cross dressers want to wear military clothing of the other sex? Can those cross dressing men go into the womens restrooms? This Is sick! If the military have to spend more money to have restrooms and barrack or ship space for gay people, this will cost the government plenty of money (That We Don’t Have)

  154. You who are for DADT repeal say gays should be allowed to openly serve in the military AND your premise is that there are homosexuals already IN the military – just unknown. Now for my question – WHAT is the difference between a woman who is believes she is talking with, friends with and rooms with a woman…ONLY to find out when she’s in the shower it was a transvestite MALE she was friends with? Do you think she would have NO problems showering with him? Or how about explaining what the difference is between how uncomfortable a woman would be showering with a male…and a straight male showering with a homosexual male? Oh I know you say, well what makes you think the homosexual male will be looking at the straight male? Ok…so what makes the females think the males will be looking at THEM? The POINT is, it DOESN’T MATTER if they look at other person or not…the PERCEPTION and fear is they WILL look – THAT is the crux of the problem. So if you are going to FORCE straight males and females to shower and room with openly homosexual people, then ALL should shower in ONE shower and room regardless of sexual orientation OR sex! Equal rights!

  155. Why does the homosexual community run around flaunting their same-sex preference? Do they see the heterosexuals running around flaunting their attraction to the opposite sex…NO!!! Preference and relationships should stay in the bedroom. Once you leave the door of whatever structure you live in relationship and preference should be left there and not brought into the Military workplace. If heterosexuals don't go around talking about their relationship or preference why can't homosexuals.

  156. Proud Sailor | December 8, 2010 at 10:38 am |

    I've served my country now for 14 years. I've served beside gay men and women all throughout my career with no issue. It was never a problem in the workplace, nor to mission. I've even spent quite a bit of time onboard submarines…and there were no gay men snatching open my curtain to my rack trying to get me, nor trying to get at me in the shower. Work got done, bad guys were destroyed. Whomever is willing to serve, fight, and die for this country can serve with me anytime. I'm not saying that I condone or understand or even WANT to understand the gay lifestyle, BUT…at the same time I will not hate on any gay man or woman either. Being a black man myself…it would seem strangely hypocritical to do so in my opinion seeing what black people had to go through in the past.

  157. This country was founded on GOD! We put “In God We Trust” on our money for a reason!! Our country has evolved to allow other races n cultures to live here and enjoy freedom as well. Yes, God doesn’t condone homosexuality, but there is too many religions now in our country. Does any of them condone homosexuality?? I think it boiLs down 2 COMMON SENSE!!!!!

    Whoever or Whatever our “creator” or “godsource” is, gave a man a dick and a woman a vagina for a REASON!!…to be able 2 enjoy sex and have children! “It” also gave us a digestive system with an ASSHOLE as an EXIT for our SHIT!!!!

    And yall wanna talk about IGNORANT jus bc u were “hurt” by someone of the opposite sex n found an ear 2 listen in the same sex and call it Love. What I just described in the paragraph above is IGNORANCE not 2 believe in it! Oh, but us as a society and nation are suppose 2 change our beliefs n constitution 2 condone your IGNORANCE! COWBOY UP and get over it!!! Military is full of a hell of a lot more hurt!! I’m not perfect and yes, I do have friends that are homosexual, but doesn’t mean I approve of their lifestyle or will ever not try my best 2 get them over their issues and realize the “truth”…COMMON SENSE!

    I’m a NICE guy and have helped people in the past that I shouldn’t have. “We” as a nation keep tryin 2 be NICE and change our constitution to allow more IGNORANCE in this country! There comes a time when u can’t be NICE or try 2 condone something bc u have a child or niece or friend who says they’re “homosexual”…You stand

    “F-I-R-M” because YOU are the LEADER, YOU are the PARENT, YOU are the UNCLE, YOU are the FRIEND that you SHOULD BE!!!!!

    Do this!…and our children and naïve hurt society will quit FOLLOWING AFTER IGNORANCE!!! COWBOY UP AND STAND FIRM!!!!!

  158. DADT….it's the right thing to do. DON'T mess with a 200 year tradition! The gays, Capitol Hill, liberals and the lawyers just need to butt out and leave the Armed Forces alone! Don't force people to accept your "lifestyle". Minorities should not rule majorities!

  159. Why should 5 percent of the US poulation dictate to the military how to run the roster?

  160. Simon Carson | December 8, 2010 at 10:45 am |

    Alright, here’s my idea, to solve the whole gay rights thing. First off as christians or beleivers in God, it is not our place to judge the way other people live their lives. We may not like it, but what people do is between them and God. So looking at it from that perspective, the law should be made so that they can get married. They don’t have to be married by a preist, judges can do the same thing. On the other hand gay people shouldn’t throw up defense’s whenever God is mentioned just because some people think that they know his will. Christians who constantly throw the word at others whom they beleive are doing wrong, only dampen His glory. Your not going to change anything by shouting at people that they’re wrong.

  161. Glad I am on my way out Instead of In,I don't think this Old world will have to worry to much longer what is going on, because it is on it's way out to.there will be war's in our own homeland, people are gathering gun's and ammo as fast as they can.My husband spent 26 years in the military, glad he is not here to see what is happening to our country,the United States has become a me,me me country, gather your gun's and ammo you will need them.

  162. DOD already has concerns with the military budget and now they add more to it.

    Better think twice about cutting benefits or adding cost due to this change.

    Once again a programs that is being extended beyond its original intent.

  163. Mustang03Ret | December 8, 2010 at 11:14 am |

    Truth 101 Wrote: "Listen, you sodomites are so vain, that you think that your sexual preferences define the person you are. Wow! You people are base animals."

    Truth 101 – Apparently YOU think that one's so-called sexual preference defines who they are.

  164. Repeal DADT now. Let the effectS be shown before we elect another democrat to the whitehouse. Don’t let Obama fail you guys demand he follow up on his promise.

  165. If they are going to allow open gays in the military they should just have ONE shower room for all males and females, and might as well allow Males and Females share rooms!

  166. Don Retired-Navy | December 8, 2010 at 11:34 am |

    The law is the law PERIOD!!!!! Don Retired-Navy

  167. Chuck Riley, USAF Retired.

    Chuck Riley, USAF Retired.

    I used my name, as I am a "PROUD RETIRED MILITARY GAY MAN". I live in and work in DC. I am out and own my own business. My husband is clergy and is out as well. I am a REALTOR, and do not hide who I am from my family, friends, neighbors, and clients. I am hired on my merit, knowledge of Real Estate and my reputation. I am and have been a top REALTOR since 1988. Thus, I am sick and tired of the religious Right and their politicians with other agendas using sexual preference as a WEDGE ISSUE. Being Gay or Non-Gay should have nothing to do with being able to serve or benefits. My opinion, this should not be at the top of military or government issue on the agenda. Bush and Cheney are gone, although their ilk are still in the Senate and the House.

  168. Chuck Riley, USAF Retired

    If a service member is Gay and in a committed relationship, married in the states that allow "Gay Marriage" , like DC, where my husband and I of 24+ years reside( we have been married since 2008), or Domestic Partners which is allowed in other areas – SHOULD BE GRANTED HE SAME RIGHTS AND PRIVILAGES AS NON-GAY SERVICE MEMBERS! The "Right" wants to ask someone to risk their lives for America, but wants them and their spouse to be 'SECOND CLASS CITIZENS" Remember that we went thru this with the color issue with the right to marry and to serve as an equal in the military!

  169. undressedemperor | December 8, 2010 at 12:10 pm |

    It also has no place in the workplace. That's why DADT works. I don't have to hear about anyone's sexual perversions, gay or straight.

  170. DADT currently keeps the homosexual problem in check. A repeal bodes ill for the future. Changes to military life will come slowly, but they will come, and they will be profound.

    Big problems will inevitably spring up – not right away, mind you, but gradually as homosexuals gain more influence in military matters.

    Be aware that homosexual activists have advanced their cause through social intimidation tactics. This will not cease. There will always be some issue about which homosexuals can object in order to acquire influence that will far exceed that to which they are entitled by their numbers.

    Observable displays of same-sex emotion are so repugnant to normal people that at first they will not only have to be banned for homosexuals, but also for heterosexuals in order to preclude homosexual challenges based on discrimination. More speech codes will be implemented to ensure that homosexuals don't feel they're in a hostile work environment. Social behavior codes will force personnel to create a welcoming environment for homosexuals. Actions of superiors will create the illusion of fairness, but in reality the affirmative action mentality will prevail.

    Religious attitudes and teachings toward homosexual behavior will not be tolerated. Failure to include homosexuals in social groups or activities will be considered discrimination and subject to punitive action. Making fun of effeminate characteristics in men or masculine characteristics in women will not be tolerated and will be subject to punitive action. Any negative associations with regard to homosexuality in personal conversations will not be tolerated and will be subject to punitive action. New tolerance for transsexuals and transvestites. Accomodations will be required for such proclivities.

    Homosexual indoctrination sessions will be mandatory. They will be called education. Look for homosexual acceptance to be praised, while objections to such behavior is ridiculed as ignorant, bigoted, and uneducated. Empathy and acceptance will be required for all abberant sexual behavior. Criticisms will include anything to keep hetrosexual personnel silent. Arguments regarding the claims made by instructors will not be tolerated.

    In short, military life for heterosexuals will become intolerable and will eventually lead to further lowering of standards as so frequently happens when a group characteristic elevates individuals to a protected status. By the time that is recognized it will be too late to take any action against it.

  171. then couples who shack should also have benefits!!!!!!!!!!remember recognition of that "COMMON LAW" was repealed years ago so they get NOTHING. I believe this is something to think about.

  172. I love my Marine boyfriend! Oorah!
    Support ALL our troops.
    Repeal DADT.

  173. Homophobic people or people who are against gays in the military have no clue to what they are talking about. Just because a man is gay doesnt mean hes sexually attracted to every single male out there wether gay or heterosexual. For that reason is why i want to get out of the military because of the discrimination. At the current command i am at, there are alot of personnel who know of my life style and have no issue with me. I have served in Afghanistan for an entire year, worked with all branches of the US Military and would gladly have took a bullet for any of them. Not once did my life style come into play or was an issue for any of them. If men and women cant accept the fact that there are many homosexual men and women in the military, then i have lost faith in the military as a whole. Its not what i expected. So for that im getting out. Thanks.

  174. DON'T REPEAL. Ahhh, the warmth of spirited debate. The minority of gays who feel they are being oppressed against is simply put, amazing. Maybe we should throw away the entire UCMJ and go with whatever law applies in the state, region, area in which you serve. Let's go with the Norwegian method as well and get unionized so we get paid for each day we are in the field. So many possibilities of change, it's very exciting. Screw it, let's just abolish the military and settle this once and for all. Better yet, let's have a seperate service dedicated to Gays, Lesbians, BiSexuals, Transgenders, animal lovers, pedophiles, etc. Where does the list end. I would have added blow up dolls, but mine sprung a leak. You want repeal, it doesn't stop with gays, lesbians, transexuals, transgenders, bisexuals. The military will become the most fabulous (snap snap) place to work. You can do anything you want and no one will discriminate against you. Ohhhhhhh, the possibilities.

  175. Ironhand USMC | December 8, 2010 at 4:08 pm |

    For all of you out there in DADT repeal land, yesterday was December 7, and 69 years ago, the Japs attacked America, at Pearl Harbor Hawaii. Now I am sure that most of you out there is DADT land did not even bother to recognize that day, while you were going about your day in DADT repeal world. It was my Honor to sit and have a cup coffee with 2 Pearl Harbor survivors yesterday mid- morning. There were several of us younger Veterans there with those men who had been at Pearl Habor during the attack. Throughout the time which I had spent listening to these senior Veterans, the repeal of DADT was Not brought up, not even once, by anyone in attendance. Did any of you stop and think of all those who had layed down their life, 69 years ago yesterday. Think about it for a moment if you please, and perhaps you may all muster up a prayer, for those who had lost their lives's that day.

  176. If you repeal DADT, then you have to change the UCMJ. The UCMJ prohibits sodomy and conduct detrimental to good order and discipline to the armed services. Last I counted, a homosexual could be charged with at least eight (8) violations of the UCMJ. I am not a proponent of homosexuality. However, if we continue on this “LIBERAL” course of trying to allow homosexuals to serve openly, we undo what we have trained and fought so hard for; preservation of a nation so great that it does not number in the times of adversity.

  177. 20 Year Vet | December 8, 2010 at 6:00 pm |

    Yes. Sexual experimentation with your wife is one thing and I doubt a 10year married couple routinely back door it. A lifestyle that revolves around such deviant behavior defying most social, cultural, and religious norms is another case. Normal relations also causes no threat in an all male surrounding, locker room, berthing etc. A Gay Life is wrong no matter how long, which way, or whatever argument you pose. Society cringes from it, the Bible and most religions condemn it, and it's biologically and naturally wrong. So is promiscuity in general. That's why nature fights it with VD and AIDS…it's just immoral and bad period. I don't care how many arguments come forward .. a penis in a mans rectum is gross by any definition. Careless rampant promiscuity is just as bad. The political nonsense prevents truth to be used when discussing it and all the top brass and politician are spineless and just worried about image and thier pensions.

  178. Air Force Wifey<3 | December 8, 2010 at 7:02 pm |

    Make a gay branch of the military. Call it the Fairy Force :) That way the heterosexual men and women won't have to room with the gays, and the gays can all be together, working proudly for this country, but doing it OPENLY. PROBLEM SOLVED.

  179. If being gay was a proper way of nurturing and growing a family, then God would have made it possible for them to naturally achieve such. But since it is impossible for gays or lesbians to naturally reproduce, this accepted alternative lifestyle, being neither non-conducive nor pro-life, would mean the end of man-kind as we know it. Leviticus tells us that if a man lies with another man as one lies with a woman; both of them have done what is morally detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

  180. First I would like to say that unfortunately this will all come to pass. Gays have served, and always will. Social lines have been eroding for years and the reason is because of the complancency of the American public. With enough time and voting power, as the gays have, you can get anything through Congress. Politicians will support anything if it will get them votes. There is no "good" or "bad". It's just what is decided by the majority, and sometimes not even then. It doesn't matter at all what we think. The govt asking us what we think is patronizing. They will decide what is good for us. Where will the eroding line stop is what I want to know? Looking ahead…it doesn't.

  181. Mustang03Ret | December 8, 2010 at 8:01 pm |

    To ATOH and others: The "shacking up" argument fails because those heterosexuals who "shack up" choose to do so INSTEAD of marrying. Until those of us who are gay or lesbian have the right to marry we cannot be faulted for cohabitating without the benefit of marriage. Neither should we be treated disparately and denied equal opportunities and benefits because we cannot legally marry (or because DOMA refuses to recognize a gay marriage duly entered into in one of the states permitting it).

  182. Mustang03Ret | December 8, 2010 at 8:10 pm |

    Every service member swears an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. Check out the Equal Protection Clause of te 14th Amendment and the many court cases interpreting it. Also check out the "Establishment Clause" providing for the separation of church and state, and the many case law decisions where it is cited. Though some may cherish selected Biblical passages for their anti-gay message, such as those in Leviticus, nowhere does the oath a servicemember takes require one to support and defend the Bible. Please try to make a cogent, articulate argument without citing criptural references in what is purely a public policy deate. (Hint: If you want to base arguments on religious scriptures, try doing so in a theocracy, such as Iran).

  183. A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than one hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than one thousand sexual partners.

  184. Handbook of Family Diversity reported a study in which "many self-described 'monogamous' couples reported an average of three to five partners in the past year. Blasband and Peplau (1985) observed a similar pattern

  185. I don't care who you sleep with, but I care about our country's defense. So, when a national emergency occurs that requires the draft……which of the male gays in a couple will be called to serve? Can either one claim, as in a heterosexual marriage with a female, that only one serves? What if one is disabled, but the other male is capable of serving? Can the healthy one opt out of the draft? What about a male couple that adopts children? Will they claim that one male must stay out of the service to care for the child? These questions need to be addressed before anything changes.

    In response to Mariposa Reply I added:

    I am saying that the law still requires every male to register for the draft. The male's only priority in this case is determined by the laws on the books. Females are not required to register even though many females volunteer, and make excellent soldiers, pilots, sailors. I figure that my wife can out shoot you on a pistol range, but she never had to register for the draft. The questions I raised have to do with two males having an obligation to serve. More discussion is warranted on the questions raised.

  186. I do not believe the “Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy” should be abolished. Because, if it is what would stop a friend of mine and I from looking around and saying “Hey! Look at these homosexuals getting married and getting a free house and we basically live in a dorm room when we could get a house by saying we are “life partners” and we become married. That doesn't make us homosexuals that means we are working the system to get what we want. Who is to say other people wont twist the rules and do the same, how could you determine if someone was truly homosexual or just playing the system because if a person truly wants something bad enough they will do anything to get it.

  187. splishsplashiwa | December 8, 2010 at 11:48 pm |

    This is obvious because everyone is taught it coming through bootcamp but SODEMY is illegal in the military. Is D.O.D going change those guide lines so i can go home and say "This aint your lucky night honey".?

  188. Some one asked for a quote. In about 10 minutes of searching I found this:

    Federal policies denied security clearances to lesbians and gay men until the 1980s and subjected gay applicants to intrusive questioning about their sex lives until the 1990s. Administrators argued that homosexuals made poor risks because of their susceptibility to blackmail, but the government has never made a strong public case for that claim. The courts rejected a charge of immorality as a legitimate basis for firing gay federal employees by the mid-1970s, but they deferred to administrative expertise on the issue of security risks even though arguments about blackmail and immorality have always been intertwined. Public opinion data from the 1990s shows that those who disapprove of homosexuality and would limit the civil liberties of gay people are much more reluctant to issue security clearances to them, providing further evidence that morality concerns work their way into at least some federal personnel decisions. Though Executive Order 13087 prohibits discriminating against federal employees on the basis of sexual orientation, the continuning high levels of disapproval of homosexuality suggest that eliminating such discrimination will be difficult.

    I know this isn't exactly what you asked but I have work to do on other items. I will ask this from another group and maybe they can give me a lot more specifics.

  189. Cowgirl Attitude | December 9, 2010 at 2:10 am |

    I believe that who you love does not make a difference. I think that if you throw God in the mix for everything that alot of things would not be able to exist. Stop trying to judge people we are no different than anyone else. You people are not GOD and should not judge others it says in the bible that if you judge than you yourself is wrong. So take all the religious views out and stop putting them where they dont belong. That is your opinion not GODS my god is gracious and kind. So let it pass and let us life our lives and you pay attention to yours!!!

  190. When political correctness and diversity are the top priorities of our military we are in trouble. When a minority can force their agenda over the majorities objections you know politics are involved. Like the issue of gun control , the cops on the street support individual gun rights. It is the politically appointed leadership that supports gun control. It's my understanding that the majority of our soldiers don't want to repeal DADT but the military leadership that is subject to politicians will repeal it and the folks in the trenches will pay the price if there are problems. What else is new? The politicians would disarm us(their bodyguards are not packing, right?) for the criminals and they would buy the gay vote by repealing DADT irreguardless of the unintended consequences. Politicians are always willing to put our money where their mouth is , so to speak. I was "visited" at night by a gay man and my combat effectiveness(Vietnam) was severly compromised by my inability to sleep after the 'visit'.
    I wonder how many others had my experience but were too embarassed to say anything. I know two myself.

  191. Those that were married, not partnered but actually "married" in states that allow it, I feel should be entitled to spousal benefits— and that includes housing allowance. However, I don't think they should be allowed onto base-housing. Not because I "don't want my children" around them or anything like that, but only because I do agree (especially in my own current fight with the housing office) that trying to get onto base-housing is way too competitive as it is. I know it sounds discriminatory to say I would rather not be competing with gay couples too, but it's just so hectic as it is.

    But in general, I am very open to the idea. And I am saddened to see that people, like my active duty husband for example, claim to have "nothing against gays" but don't want them serving alongside them. Why? Well I imagine for the only reason that my husband can find— because they're afraid of solicitation.

    So men can't put up with getting hit on by other men, but I can't begin to tell you how many single marines don't give two bits about the ring they see on a spouses finger and will hit on her anyways! I gather just as many gays will hit on straight men despite their status, just as I see the single men on base do to the women. And okay, I understand that they live with a bunch of other men and the men to women ratio in the service isn't spectacular, so they can't help but occasionally hit on a female, whether she's married or not. —But on the other side of the fence, can you blame a gay man who lives with a bunch of other straight men if he can't help but hit on one occasionally when the gay to straight ratio is also like that?

    As for religion, my general thought? Society as a whole has grown and changed and our views as per what is deemed "acceptable" have broadened, so who's to say that overtime God hasn't lightened up too? Afterall, the bible's pretty old, and I don't run across many folk who have a one-way telephone line to him to get his thoughts on the matter. Over the years the constitution has been amended to adapt. I'd like to think God's a pretty awesome guy and maybe, just maybe, he has too. Just sayin. ;)

  192. Marriage is between the Church, the people being married and God. Since God said that marriage is between a man a a woman, there is no discussion here. Civil Unions are different. They do not involve God, they involve the State. The State cannot be involved with God, hence Marriage shall stay between men and women, and if a man and a woman want to have a civil union, they can. The other reason same sex "marriages" won't pass is because it is unconstitutional to them force/demand/make it a law for Pastors to have to perform ceremonies for gay partners. Imagen THOSE up and coming lawsuits.
    When it comes to gays in the military, serving openly, as long as everything is kosher, I don't really see too big of a problem. On the other hand, having them receive the benefits of a married couple, THAT I can see problems. Why? What is the percentage of people who are against gay marriage in the United States? I am gonna guess that it's pretty damn high. All of those people will then figure out that some of their tax dollars are going to fund some fags living quarters (off base housing, lets say). That should be an interesting debate! Just like abortion funding was for National Health Care! And also, what about roommates during A school and such. Two gay, single people in close quarters? THATS gonna be weird for their suit-mates!

  193. In my own 20 year personal experience in the military…I would never support having gays openly serve in the military.

  194. I strongly believe that unless someone who has actually served in the armed forces they should not be allowed to make any comments on this website. Thank God that there are a few websites that you actually have to prove that you have or are serving in order to subscribe. That way those that are LIBERAL CIVILLIANS cannot pollute with their stupid, liberal ideas. And I've had the pleasure of turning in Faggots in my branch of the Armed Forces and watching them go down the drain.

  195. Let’s remember one thing here, Sodomy is illegal in the military. You people who are trying to change the law are trying to change the law. IT IS ILLEGAL, GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULL. IT IS ILLEGAL. WHAT CAN’T YOU COMPREHEND? We don’t want sodomites in this country, leave if you don’t like the laws, before you make the true Christians in this country stand up and kick you out. Remember, this is still a country run by Christians, don’t make us stand, because we will stand, very, very STRONG!!!

  196. I have to warn you that this may make your head hurt. I will have to post this on several postings as it may be too long. Okay, for argument sake, let's assume the DADT policy is repealed. Let us look at what must be done. Okay, let us get started. First we must realize that we will now have a quota under the Equal Employment Opportunity laws to go along with the distinction of being gay/lesbian/transgender/bisexual. This being the case, individuals will have to declare in their personnel files whether they are straight/gay/lesbian/ bisexual/transgender. We must also further break down the transgender to pre-operation and post operation to ensure all are equally represented. (Cont.)

  197. PART 2- I assume that, unlike race, you can change your preference to play the numbers game to increase your potential for promotion. Transgender will have a more difficult time of this and would therefore have a basis for filing discrimination since they would not have the same opportunities to switch allegiance. Although we must consider another aspect of the Transgender situation, after the operation (paid for through Tri-care naturally) you would theoretically be considered straight and moved to a different category. So lots of regulations to update, not to mention the new ones that will have to be written. I would not want to be a personnel weenie when the policy is repealed. Weenie, by the way will be forbidden after the repeal for obvious reasons. (Cont.)

  198. PART 3 – This leads us to another aspect of change, vocabulary. Jodies, for example, will have to be changed, rewritten, outlawed, etc. to ensure political correctness. Please stand by, I have to get some aspirin for my headache. Okay, I'm back now….Where were we? Let's recap so far, new and rewritten regulations, new vocabulary, etc.. The biggest change will be categories of EEO. I see a minimum (I will use only males in this first example, but women would have the same categories): White male straight, white male gay, white male bisexual, white male transgender (pre-Operation), and white male (post operation, until the grace period of healing is over and the individual is fully capable of assuming his/her sexual role at which point their personnel file will be updated to reflect their new sexual preference). (Cont.)

  199. PART 4 – Now that we have established the categories we have to apply them across the racial spectrum. The following are the minimum categories I have seen on some applications so there may be more depending on how far we wish to breakout the categories; White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, Pacific Islander, and Native American. I left of the category of 'other' since we should have all races and sexual persuasions covered. Assuming each would be equally represented, we would divide 100 percent by the 30 categories (Each race would have the same breakdown as the white male above) giving us a mandatory representation of 3.3 percent for each of the groups. Of course the promotion boards will have to be a lot larger to ensure each group/branch/race/sexual persuasion is fairly represented. (Cont.)

  200. PART 5= Some of you will cry foul because Bob (not his real name so if you are a Bob I don't mean to offend you) was promoted because he was claimed he was gay but in reality is bi-curious (an entirely new category possibility). There will always be the cheaters who will jump from one category to another. Bisexuals will be the luckiest because they can jump from one category to the next a lot easier. I do have a question, how do we verify sexual preferences? Is there a test you must perform to ensure you aren't just saying something to maximize your promotion opportunity? You can see the dilemma this will produce. (Cont.)

  201. Part 6- I suppose, in theory, that you could claim one thing but practice another to ensure you have the best possible chance for promotion. What about married men who are gay? If you declare yourself gay, and the law supporting benefits for domestic partners isn't fixed, can your wife and kids lose their benefits since they are not the object of your lust. Hmmmmm, so many questions. I do not relish having to sort this mess out. We could do the simple thing and repeal the policy and see what happens. I would assume that promotions would grind to a halt as lots of enlisted and officers scream EEO. I could go on, but my head hurts.

  202. I wonder how many people who want to do all this "social experimentation" with our fighting forces have ever served in the military? I know that a few times I came home to my barracks to find my roommate with a woman in bed. We would hang a coat hanger on the door to signal not to come in but sometimes we would forget. I wonder what it would be like to walk in and find my roommate doing a guy or having to wake up with them in my room making love or just messing around. I wonder what boot camp, shipboard, or barracks common showers will be like with openly gay sailors, soldiers, airmen and marines….. The Military is made to Break machines and Kill the Enemy!!!!!!! Not to make people feel good or feel like life is fair!!!!! Quit playing your games with the military people……..

  203. Stars and Stripes | December 9, 2010 at 8:17 pm |

    If you support the repeal, you are gay or have not fully considered the full argument against the repeal. If you are against the repeal, you are homophobic. Seems to me no one has fully reviewed the ramification of open homosexuality in the military.

    The debate has been so very poorly framed and is so laden with politics and sociological half-truths that it will forever change the military as we know it. The people making these decisions (politicians and senior military leadership) are poorly informed and have lost objectivity. They think about their good gay friend in the service that did a good job.

    Such narrow thinking will ultimately lead to diluting what this country the strength of our military. We have navigated on this issue with one eye open and the other closed not knowing what to do. The matter is and I am not surprised DADT has lasted as long as it did. So, here is my 2 cents:

  204. Stars and Stripes | December 9, 2010 at 8:20 pm |

    Yes, it's true that homosexuals have served in the military throughout history, and they have served well. But as the military mirrors our society and the call for open homosexuality in the service is framed from the worldview of homosexuals. What about those countries that already have gays serving openly. The USA gay culture is not like the gays in those countries. The incorporation of open homosexuality in the service will unwittingly revolutionize the fighting force. Think about the major changes in US military history with integration of groups (race, gender, religion) into the majority military culture. You have black, women as the perfect example, and now we have muslims and openly gays into the new debate.

  205. Stars and Stripes | December 9, 2010 at 8:20 pm |

    Looking back in history, you can say that it has worked so far. So what’s the problem now? Some have already stated possible intent. There is a social upheaval happening in this country and homosexuality is part of it. The gay marriage debate will become mute once is DADT is repealed and UCMJ is revised. You can expect the legalization of homosexual marriage by the feds once the DADT is repealed. Once this is part of the culture, the argument is over for the military in the long run. What does it mean? Before you didn’t know he might be gay, but now you know it. So do you want to experience the humiliation of the guy showering next to you is ogling you as a potential sex partner? It just means that heterosexuals will not put themselves in that position in the first place.

  206. Stars and Stripes | December 9, 2010 at 8:23 pm |

    Ultimately, you will need the draft to remedy that. This is the reason why the Marines are against the repeal. They know what time it is. People are getting hung up about housing, chapel weddings, gay recognition month, etc. But think about military service in general, and what the true intent is. You are being asked to change your moral and religious paradigm through federal fiat and in the end, if you want to serve your country, you will have to accept whatever oddity you they will allow in. If gays are to serve ‘openly’, you must make provisions for other groups that have been deemed ineligible. Gays are not ineligible. What they do and what they promote in their communities as a culture bans them from service.

  207. Stars and Stripes | December 9, 2010 at 8:25 pm |

    How will they integrate feminized gays? Are they to be discriminated from the Marines and combat? A transsexual male will have to be accommodated as he will want to serve as a female and within the female military culture set. The gay community will want to make a statement and send a message to stick it in your face for all these years of so call victimization. Gays run a high risk of HIV (check CDC). A disproportionate number of men will not be eligible for combat and non-gays will have to make up for this. This is an inherent risk the military is stuck with. In combat, your openly gay comrade severely injured may not be HIV+ but his blood is susceptible and his combat buddies are at risk.

  208. Stars and Stripes | December 9, 2010 at 8:25 pm |

    I suggest you do some research about homosexuality and the gay lifestyle to truly understand what the discussion is NOT amongst the powers that be. But you will be expected to engage the gay community within the service. Yes, that’s coming.

    So, the choice will always be yours. If you don’t want to engage the homosexual community in the military, don’t join. Let the government know there are other ways for you to exercise your freedom and rights. Some admiral said it too but I don’t think he had any idea of the ramifications of his words. I say, take him up on it. If you have 10 or more years, keep going and retire. If you have less time you can exit the social experiment.

  209. Stars and Stripes | December 9, 2010 at 8:36 pm |

    Sorry about the super long post. I am neither for nor against the repeal. I am however for the USA, the constitution, and ALL the men and women who so bravely serve. I am concerned that this issue has not been fully explored and we just got a bandaid 17 years ago. And it's not about homophobia. I am not afraid of gays, puleeze. I am afraid of cowards that refuse to openly debate on things that really matter where this nation is concerned. I am afraid because they can do serious damage. Our fearless politicians have caved in to social pressure and the military will be your sacrificial lamb and the USA is the sacrificial goat.

  210. Stars and Stripes | December 9, 2010 at 8:44 pm |

    And I want to clarify the comment about muslims. Muslims are bound by the Koran and sharia law is first and last. Now it's not a problem because US laws is the law of the land. But as aspects of sharia creeps in the American culture and our legislature, what do you think will happen in the military ultimately. And yes, the venerable supreme court justice Ruth Bader Ginzberg said she saw no problem with incorporating intenational laws into our system. Just a matter of time. You don't see muslims trying to serve in the Israeli armed services and the Israelis do not waste time even considering the debate. They get it.

  211. Ironhand USMC | December 10, 2010 at 1:47 am |

    First of all, I did serve, God, Country and Corps for 20+ years. As for misspelled words, I have done this myself, and I have gone back on this blog and made my apologies for doing so. As for you having served in the Corps until you were retirement eligible, was your sexual orientation known by any menbers you had served with, and if so, was this information ever known by the Higher Archie of your command? The reason I ask this of you David, I think it is a relative question here, which you are well within yours rights to not answer, but this is a question that may be asked of you, should your posting get through all the current DADT Hub Bub, in my opinion. My Marine Corps career started off in the Infantry, and then moved into the Naval Aviation side of the Corps. I can not say for certain that I had served with any Gay men or women during my career. I can not say for certain that I ever had any Gay men or women under my command either. If I had been so advised, I now what the regulations stated at the time when I was serving my country, and what my responsibilities to those regulations was, beyond a shdow of a doubt. It may not have been totally fair, but those were the regulations.

  212. Ironhand USMC | December 10, 2010 at 2:53 am |

    What is happening where I reside, has been happening for quite some time now. I do not expect anyone to feel sorry for me, or take pity on me. Quite frankly, I could care less if anyone out there in cyber land actually agrees with a single word of what I post, until those people have walked in my shoes a while. From my stand point of view, our country has more than her fair share of issues to overcome. The issue of the DADT policy being repealed is just one more item to add to the lengthy list of issues, which we as Americans have to get squared away, sooner than later. If my postings tend to bother some the people in cyber land, including you Sir, the by all means, do not continue reading what I post, it is that simple, really. As for you or anyone else attempting to invalidatewhat I have experienced first hand during my life time, in this grand country of ours, then please spare me, and yourselves to even bother wriitting a response to anything I post herein. Either way, you all have yourselves a Gloriously Day here in the Good Ole USA. Thank You for taking the time to read, and or read and slam what I have posted herein.

  213. Ironhand USMC | December 10, 2010 at 3:12 am |

    For the record, there has been a stall in the posting of one of my comments. I can only guess that someone out there in cyber land has taken exception those comments. Why they would take exception to my posting is beyond me. So here is what I shall do from here on out. Anything which I find to be of interest, with regard to the issues being bantered about, I sha;ll reserve my comments for a more adaptive audience. From what I have experienced on this blog, if what I say is not acceptable to some, including the administrators of this blog, then my comments are sensored. This is Ironhand, signing off.


  215. I'm a retired vet and this is not right. There should be no gays in the military. This whole thing has gotten out of hand. Once they try to change something like this they will want more and more changes. I use to tell young men and women to join the military. But if this goes to allow gays to be open, I'd say don't join or get out. This is not part of the military uniform and shouldn't be.

  216. Jack Seabourn | December 10, 2010 at 1:07 pm |

    its a shame that we have too many people that don't know filth when they see it and don't know right from wrong. know wonder this country is so screwed up.

  217. Jack Seabourn | December 10, 2010 at 1:11 pm |

    its a shame that too many people support the filth of queers. too many people thinks that anything goes now days.

  218. See the problem here is that it starts with the repeal of DATD and then Homosexuals will want equal benefits. It is the same in the civilian world right now. Homosexuals want a marriage to be the same as a Heterosexual marriage, this way they can get the same tax benefits and healthcare. You will always see comments such as, “We don’t want healthcare or housing or BAH.” Give it some time they will. I have no problem with a “gay” person. All of us that serve in the military serve because we volunteer for it, but you also sign the paper knowing full well what rules we have. The military is not a democracy, we just defend it. Just imagine this one point, “We are in a time of war, a war we are commanded to fight with our brothers and sisters to defend what we believe in. We defend our values and our way of life. We defend freedom and those who wish to take it from us. We do not defend a way of life but the choice to live it as you see fit.”

  219. Concerns from an active military member
    1. I do not want to be forced to share quarters with gay members
    2. Once the G in GLBT is allowed, what about the rest? Soon they will start to claim that they "identify" as something else and demand the right to wear the uniform of their "preference."
    3. On the other side, I hate to see the federal government spend thousands of tax payer dollars training and equipping an able bodied person to then throw it all away because someone found out what they do in their free time.

  220. Ironhand USMC | December 11, 2010 at 4:05 pm |

    There is a comment posted herein, which speaks to our Federal Government paying the Homosexual folks, for having been discriminated aagainst. From my stand point of view, we as an Americans, owe the Native Americans first and foremost, far more than any Homosexual person is entitled to get. Now you may disagree with my statement, and this is your individual due, but please, any of you out there in cyber land who feel the need to counter my statement herein, do yourselves a solid here, by not wasting your time, by sedtting out to counter what I have said, because this is MY take on the matter, based on some extremely factual evidence. Thank You all, and "Merry Christmas"

  221. For all those people who don't support gays/lesbians in the military are really ignorant and close minded. They serve just as hard or even harder then any straight heterosexual. I don't understand what the problem is with people who have a problem with homosexuals thier just as human as any of us are, just because thier sexuality is different it doesnt mean anything. We should be worried about people with mental disabilities and are unstable and dangerous to society then people who are homosexual. Straight people in the military find spouses to abuse the benifits that the military give to married couples in the military. Whereas a homosexual with a partner is struggling to support their partner happily. Homosexuals should be treated equally in life.

  222. Really, can America afford this. Polygamy is next!

  223. The standards we were holding with the DADT policy was showing how pristine our conditions needed to be to enter the Armed Forces. By allowing open homosexuality into the ranks lowers the Armed Forces standards immensely. And although I'm openly AGAINST homosexuality, I'm not going to bash those who practice it. I understand that we're all equals here, but we need to do what is in the best interest of the individuals within the branches and therefore, the country. It's why we don't allow women into the infantry.

  224. For the servicemembers who object, I really can only express one final thought:

    It is my opinion that servicemembers should have a love for this country that goes beyond the love for the flag, but a love for the people in it. You can't promise to protect a group of people and their rights to live as equal human beings, but make a personal exception to one group that you specifically dislike or disagree with. You can't promise to join a brotherhood, a Semper Fidelis fraternity or otherwise, but show disgust and negativity towards your brothers who happen to be homosexual.

    Don't ask, don't tell? So you're okay with diving infront of an IED of a fellow Marine who may or may not be gay, but you're not okay with giving your life for one that you KNOW is gay?

    I hope I'm not the only one whose heart hurts thinking about that.

  225. PASSED IN THE HOUSE!! I'm so thankful that so many people are one step closer to being able to serve this great country. I wish people would understand it's not that men and women who are gay or lesbian want to push their lifestyle in the face of others. Serving without the constant worry that you could loose everything that you've worked so hard for because of who you are….we all deserve that.

  226. "You don't get to choose your skin color, gender, or nationality. You also don't get to choose your sexuality. "

    This is incorect. Homosexual is a behaviorial choice which is contrary to the moral beliefs of every major religion. Opposition to a repeal of DADT is not based on homophobic bigotry or symptomatic of someone who is behind the times but rather is based on maintaining a moral code. Religious discrimination will now take place which will require a Christian, or Muslim whose religious beliefs do not approve such a lifestyle are forced to accept such behavior or face repercussions. Perhaps it is the Christophobics or Islamaphobics who refuse to allow freedom of religion who are truly engaged in suppression

  227. I am a Lesbian and I did ten years in the Army, to include 19 months in Afghanistan. I have a distinguished service record and had many gay, lesbian and straight friends while serving. Most everyone I served with knew I was gay and it never made a difference because I was a good soldier and an even better shot. I could hit a moving target at 300 meters with scary accuracy.

  228. I now live in Southern California with my wife of 6 years …oh…who I meet in Afghanistan. She was also a gay soldier serving her country. The whole argument about whether or not gays should be allowed to serve is ridiculous…we are…right now! There is gay and lesbian blood spilled on the sand in the middle east just the same…mine included. I had two friends, one lesbian and one straight, that served with me in Afghanistan. Both died, side by side in a mortar attack. I don’t think either of them was really concerned with who was checking out whose butt.

  229. to see these post on here from our troups who serve or want to serve or even "spouses". I once called myself a proud American but i'm really doubting myself right now

  230. .__How could be deny someone of joing the military or getting military benefits because of their sexuality? Who gave us the right to judge anyone because who or what they love. We all came to America (decades ago) because we wantedd to be accepted for who we we're we wanted to love who we wanted we wanted to believe whom or what we wanted to. SO why is it that we all call ourselves Americans but we act as if the GLBT community is not apart of our nation? Why do we act as if we can't stand next to someone gay or bi or trassexual or a Lesban on a battle field? We all fighting for the same reason right? And for those who accept that the GLBT community is in the military but don't think they deserve the benifets… why? They fought the same good fight as you so why not let them? Now i leave you with this question…. If gays, bisexuals, Transgender, or lesbians are not Americans such as "Us" than what are they? If they can't defind their country that they love just as us then how else can they impact it? I once said I was a proud American but now I'm ashamed to be called an American! TLJ

  231. honestly…in my opinion…dadt is ancient…think about it you get to know the people that you serve with…but how many of them do you really know…because all the gays that are serving are hiding who they really are and possibly the fact that their boyfriend is really a girlfriend…think about it…like really think about it…they are serving for the same reason you are…living in the same space and sharing the same utilities…and you dont even knkow it because you are blind to it…be prepaired because if dadt gets lifted you would be surprised to see how many of your fellow soldiers let you into their lives and let you get to know the real person they were hiding…but dont forget to think about how before you knew they were gay how they did not hit on you or even look at you as anything but a fellow soldier or a brother then maybe you would realize that they are just a person like yourself who is trying to make something of theirself…

  232. as for getting the same benefits…i feel that it should be an option on some things but not all of then…for instance…if you die they should be entitled to your money and such…just like in any regular marrage…because it really does not affect anybody else…but as for housing i feel differently…since gay marriage is not looked at as marriage…i think that a gay soldier and their partner should be able to get housing if available…but not over a married couple with children…for example a male soldier and his wife and son get stationed and apply for the same time a gay soldier and their partner are stationed.well obviously the family with the son would get it.and why is everyone getting in a tizzy about housing get a housing allowance and CAN live off-base if you wanted.
    times are changing and people should really expand a little out of their boxes and grow as people.every one bleeds the same in the end really

  233. I am tired of most gay's peope comparing gay right and the 1960 law.I can't wait until law is really inaffect.Bcoz you will find more gay's openly
    showing that they r gay.I serve with many gay people and as a nurse work with them all the time,This will surely backfiree as all of president idea's..Are they changing the UMCJ ?..

  234. I am sorry to burst the bubble of all you straight people out there who seem to think that all gay people are out to get you in the shower! Honestely gay people have standards too. The biggest concern I see straight people with is that the gay soldier next to them are going to check them out in the shower and they don't "want to take a shower next to someone who is attracted to me sexually, neither do I want to sleep in a room with someone whose hormones are raging for someone of the same sex." Just because the guy next to you is gay doesn't mean he is attracted to you or wants anything to do with you so get over it.

  235. There will be a day when a male NCO will share military housing on post with his she-male wife. It is inevitable. This will be awkward and perhaps cause some to leave military service.

  236. I would rather see a true voice of the services, not one or two per thousand carefully selected and questioned to make a bias claim. Ask the service members, all of them what they think. Then make changes, not shove it down our necks!

  237. it doesn't matter if they are attracted to you or not, if that was true, males and females would all be taking showers together because we aren't attracted to every one of them

  238. the repeal of don't ask don't tell (cuz I really don't care to know what you do sexually)
    or T.M.I. (too much information)

    Not well thought out. Tons of unintended consequences and major disruption. For instance. This repeal will open the door for "Trans Gendered" soldiers. What barracks will they be assigned? Also, what about the partially trans gendered? Women who have had their breast removed and take hormones to be male but still have female genitalia? Or men who take hormones and have breast implants but still have male genitalia? Keep in mind that poor hormone maintenance dictates that when the artificial hormones wear off the previous characteristics return. Where will these creatures shower? Will female solders stay in the same barracks as "Chaz Bono"? Or would he/she shower with the men? I don't believe Chaz has the full male toolset. He/she could claim discrimination. This will eventually end up at the supreme court.
    Messy! And it gets worse.
    What happens when a gay soldier brings his partner / wife to live with him on base in a government supported house and their adopted kid. The military community is about to be tested.

    Messy! And it gets worse. God help the soidier captured in battle who the enemy suspects is gay. The torture and indignities are to numerous and graphic to mention. There’s just no polite way to even describe that person’s fate. And he might not even be gay.
    The opposition leadership will undoudtedly paint US forces with a broad brush hoping to rev up “jihad conviction” that we are devils against god lacking all worth or consideration.

    As a stop measure the Military should create an all gay or all homo unit like what was done in the early days of military racial intergration. This way the gay unit’s operational and battle field effectiveness could be measured against the regular units. Let them earn the respect of the military leadership via outstanding performance and code of conduct.

    A captured hetero soldier might be able to escape horrible torture by simply making it known that he is not part of a gay unit.the repeal of don't ask don't tell (cuz I really don't care to know what you do sexually)
    or T.M.I. (too much information)

    Not well thought out. Tons of unintended consequences and major disruption. For instance. This repeal will open the door for "Trans Gendered" soldiers. What barracks will they be assigned? Also, what about the partially trans gendered? Women who have had their breast removed and take hormones to be male but still have female genitalia? Or men who take hormones and have breast implants but still have male genitalia? Keep in mind that poor hormone maintenance dictates that when the artificial hormones wear off the previous characteristics return. Where will these creatures shower? Will female solders stay in the same barracks as "Chaz Bono"? Or would he/she shower with the men? I don't believe Chaz has the full male toolset. He/she could claim discrimination. This will eventually end up at the supreme court.
    Messy! And it gets worse.
    What happens when a gay soldier brings his partner / wife to live with him on base in a government supported house and their adopted kid. The military community is about to be tested.

    Messy! And it gets worse. God help the soidier captured in battle who the enemy suspects is gay. The torture and indignities are to numerous and graphic to mention. There’s just no polite way to even describe that person’s fate. And he might not even be gay.
    The opposition leadership will undoudtedly paint US forces with a broad brush hoping to rev up “jihad conviction” that we are devils against god lacking all worth or consideration.

    As a stop measure the Military should create an all gay or all homo unit like what was done in the early days of military racial intergration. This way the gay unit’s operational and battle field effectiveness could be measured against the regular units. Let them earn the respect of the military leadership via outstanding performance and code of conduct.

    A captured hetero soldier might be able to escape horrible torture by simply making it known that he is not part of a gay unit.

  239. freedomfighter | December 25, 2010 at 7:35 pm |

    I am 25. I am an active duty airforce member who loves nothing more than the privlege to serve my country. I am also gay and in love with a wonderful man. Infact, he is another active duty member. I am thrilled that DADT is on its way out the door. in regards to the "extra" benefits "we" want… i have to say.. KEEP your crappy on base housing. KEEP your crappy health insurance. and KEEP ur "marriage" (which btw, the straight people are stripping all sanctity they can without the help of the gays). But how dare anyone tell me that the love i have for my partner isnt worth the same as anyone elses. i recently got orders to another base. he didnt. i do not want the handouts all the huge military families DEMAND. i want the freedom to love. and ending DADT is only a small part of that. and before anyone gives me the "you knew before you signed the papers" crap about being gay in the military… all i have to say is i, like many others, signed those papers at 18 y/o. Who knows who they are when they are 18? sometimes you dont get around to finding yourself until later on in life. and i have the military to thank for helping me do such. i have no regrets. no reservations. i love being in the military. and i love being gay. i go to work on time, everytime. and i do my job to the absolute best of my ability, because the military made me that way. the funniest part of all, is that the civilians are the ones freaking out about the gays. no one who is actually in the military (or at least in my unit) gives a hoot… ive brought my partner the the last 3 christmas parties. and he is welcomed by my comrades.

  240. MarineDaughter90 | December 27, 2010 at 4:05 am |

    To Whom It May Concern,

    I am a proud daughter of a Marine. My daddy served in Vetnam and to this day he still wears his colors because these colors don’t run! Now, my girlfriend was a Marine also and she served in our war of today, Iraq & Afghanistan War, a time that she will never forget. The only difference between the two is that one is straight and one is gay, but that and only that is different. They both served proudly and put their life on the line for all of us, and asked for nothing in return. For all those who are against gays in the military just because they think “someone is looking at them” that’s not the case in most situations, and for anyone who thinks it is get over yourself, not everyone may want you. Just because someone is gay DOES NOT mean they want every person they see of the same sex, it goes the same for straight people. If you want to do something that’s bigger than yourself, you serve, and you serve proudly gay or straight you serve you country. You put on the uniform and you go out there you do your job, and protect your home, our great United States. As far as the benifits goes, I have heard of MANY straight people getting married in the military just to have a the “military benifits” because they are being selfish to sponge of the military because they don’t know how to work an honest days work. There is nothing wrong with a gay couple having military benifits as well as a straight couple. There will always be good people (gay or straight) and people who abuse the system (gay or straight). People fear the unknown and because noone truely knows what a relationship is like between a gay couple they don’t want it. Well sorry to tell you but the relationship is based the same way a straight couple base their relationship, with a foundation. I love the military, I love what it stands for, and I would serve proudly if I could, but I’m not able to because of health issues. I will proudly defend any servicememeber gay or straight, you are fighting our war, the least we could do is be thankful. For the closed mined people, this would bring the states together as a whole country even more, because no matter what we are the youngest country, and we have a lot to learn still. We pride ourselves on our freedom that our military give us, but when change comes our way to make things better, we as a whole are slow to make a move, simply because of selfishness and fear of what will happen. Instead, we should be wanting to move forward to make a change. If you think gays being aloud to speak up in the military is the worst to come, then you have no idea how fast our world really is changing. In a couple decades or so this will be one of the least of the problems, and there will be another issues that something different, something new. This is how I feel about it all. THIS IS MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH, and if you don’t like what I have keep your comments to yourself. I’m not trying to be rude, but people need to think about the future as a whole, and not just about one thing.


  241. Amazing to see all the negitive comments. I wonder where the Government found that there was a big approval rate inside the military that they where for the Repeal of DADT…..Our Polictians are not telling us the TRUTH!!!!!

  242. I am a DAV been out for a while and work in the civilian sector. My partner and I have insurance under my company. In order to do this we had to become legal domestic partners that is a legal document notorized. My partner is fully insured medically and my company fully embraces diversity. DIVERSITY key word, doesn't matter what you are as a human being. We all love that uniform, regardless and defend this country not matter what. Sexuality, color, religion, what I eat, how I get from A to B, doesn't matter… As long as the military has the same documentation legal domestic partnership gay or straight, because this is how most Corporations run their companies, then it doesn't matter… REALLY

  243. Why cant a same sex couple who are in love have a right to be together. I know i am in love and i would want to live with my spouse and relocate to a new duty station with my spouse. we will be deployed together we do everything together. i love my spouse and thats what makes me happy if i was to loose my spouse downrange this would affect my life and i wouldnt be able to do my job so why do we have to lie about who we love. as long as we get the job done it shouldnt be a problem we are all human we all share the same blood. Im all for DADT be yourself!!!

  244. I am currently active duty in the airforce. I proudly joined the Airforce to defend our country based on the Christain values that I believe and cherish. I’m disappointed that I’ll need to change my career because of the repeal. I have nothing personal against gays it just goes against my beliefs. I share simply to say if you all feel this strongly about it when the time comes just resign.


  245. Dale you are right it is not about the Military being homophobic – but about logistics and there is no way to compare it to the civilian world. Most of the reply I have read are disgusting on both sides the majority are Phobic – either anti-gay or anti- military.

  246. Anony Mouse | February 8, 2011 at 6:56 am |

    Think about this, a gay servicemember has a partner that has a catastrophic illness, such as cancer or traumatic injury from an automobile accident, etc., it will affect their performance and ultimately military effectiveness and potentially unit effectiveness. With that in mind I don't see how they can deny them benefits. The question becomes how do you prove they really have a relationship and aren't gaming the system to help a friend in a rough predicament? Marriage or some type of formalized legal domestic partnership may be the only tool that will serve as proof of a committed relationship. Wow. What a paradigm shift. Rather than society forcing change on the military we may be seeing a situation where the military will be forcing change on society.

  247. gays should be given Retribution for the way the military has treated them.

  248. Homosexuals are human beings and have the same legal rights as heterosexuals. The difference is homosexuals are immoral (many heterosexuals are, too), but it is not the defining characteristic of heterosexuals. If "rights" are OK for homosexuals, what about liars, cheaters, rapists, murderers, …. After all, "they are just born that way", too.

  249. officermcghee | March 29, 2011 at 7:41 pm |

    @same freedoms….what do hiv have to do with gays and our rights…not every gay have hiv….striaght people have it as well….if you dont strap up you going to get something…regardless if you gay or not…some poeple get rape and get hiv and crap…does that mean their name should be on a list so poeple can judge them and miss treat them????? NO!!!!!! thats poeple private lives…they should keep that between them and the ones that are dumb to do it without a condom and with out getting checked before they do that….gay or not…poeple need to stop judging and putting people in certain judgements…

  250. devildog7885 | March 30, 2011 at 2:00 am |

    biblical facts aside,. laws of biology state homosexuality is wrong and adnormal. male to male = no offspring woman + woman – no offspring male + female = offspring. so homsexualitiy is Wrong means extintion. and don't site animals as an examble as it being okay your not an animal and you have reasoning skills that a dogs or chimps do not have.

  251. NO! NO! NO!! Once again NO!! They should have never let go DADT. If they hadnt let go the policy they wouldnt have these "partner" issues. The bible says be fruitful and multiply, and I am sorry but you just CAN'T do that with the same sexual organ in a relationship! It just doesnt work! If I have a choice of a sraight guy having my back during war time, and a gay guy, Im probably going to pick the straight guy! No offence but thats just how it comes out. If a girlfriend cant recieve benefits because they arent married, then neither should someones "life partner" They arent married, and it isn't fair. Who cares how they feel about it! You wanted to be recognized, and you are, leave it at that, now they are just forcing themselves down our throat!!

  252. To all you narrow-minded,judgmental,and ignorant people!!! I am a lesbian,and I promise you I do not want you or your body!!!! Just because I am gay does not mean I want everyone of the same sex. I have a partner that I am very committed to and you do not interest me in that way at all. We do deserve and demand our equal rights just as you do! What in this world made you think and believe that all you so-called straight people are more superior and deserve more that we gays do? Who told you that? And guess what honey, gays are all around you,have used the same bathrooms,dressing rooms,and barrickes,and right next to your bunk.Here's the difference— YOU DIDN'T KNOW! That's it! Most of your enlisted is gay or lesbian,you just don't know and they are serving our country, a country that does not recognize them! Where are all the straight folks!!! Can someone tell me that? Remember this- Fear Breeds Ignorance!!! You are missing out on getting to know some really neat folks and I promise you they do not want to jump your bones or rape you! We just want our rights is all! Same as you! Everyone has the right to love,whatever gender that may be! Grow up!

  253. Oh wow!!! Welcome to the present! Big, big plus for the US!

  254. Is it ”Land of the free, and the home of the brave?”NO It’s ”Land of the free, because of the brave! If a person has the courage, the will, and the FORTITUDE, to risk their life to defend this nation. And to follow orders from the President of this nation, to go out and defend other entities. Why the hell not? If you think about it, they are trained to defend the very people that hate them. Why the hell should they?

    Look what has happened throughout history. Look at what the hell people of other than white, had to go through. Now look where there at. What are people so afraid of? I’m gonna get AIDS!! HA. I remember that when I was in back in the 90s. Heterosexual statistics of getting HIV or AIDS have cought right up to the alarming levels of intravenous drug users. What about all the other diseases that could be spread on libo. Go out for a tat, it’s hep you brought back.

    Afraid your going to get a** raped prison style by a homo? What about all the hetero-rape that goes on? Another statistic that dwarfs gay rape. Times are changing and everybody has the right to their feelings and beliefs, hell thats one of the causes we fight for and defend. Who do people think they are telling others what is right and wrong? Did they write the book on how you are supposed to live your life?

    I have served under, next to, and led, some of ”them”, and some of ”them” have shown more bravery in combat, than some of the macho straight guys I’ve led. It’s going to take a long, tough battle before gays are accepted, if ever. Look at the racism that still plagues this great, strong , nation. But some people want to tell others how to live their lives? How about the Naturalization of undocumented people because they served. What makes them special?

    Again, it’s going to take time for gays to be accepted, but look how long it took to get a black President. It can happen.

  255. Chicknhawk | May 1, 2011 at 7:09 pm |

    This is from a post in 2010. Today is 1MAY2011. I’m gonna rewind about 60 years, 50, hell, some feel the same about colord’ folk today. I just put the racial terms in parenthesis(). This is America!! WAKE UP!!

    ——IT STARTS HERE———— You stated it correctly. This is not

    about rights, but about force. They

    have the right to be a sodomite(a colord’) how­

    ever, they or anyone else in this world

    do not have a RIGHT to join any

    branch of military not matter what life

    style they live.

    (color they are)

    We are not stringing up sodomites(ni***s) on

    trees or dragging them behind cars,

    we are just stating that they (colords are not

    allowed to join the military.

    You sodomites(ni**rs) are trying to force

    your way of life on us, and we don’t

    want it.

    Listen, you sodomites(ni**rs) are so vain, that

    you think that your sexual preferences(color)

    define the person you are. Wow! You

    people are base animals (ni**rs).—–end—

    Isn’t this amazing how things roll around every decade or so. Look at the fashions that are coming back around. Think about it!

  256. There is no place in the Miltitary for Queers. God created man and took a rib from Adam and created Women. Iam sorry, but that is the way it is; and if it ruffles your skirt Sally, you don't elong in the U.S. Armed Forces!

  257. LEWIS WALBURN | May 16, 2011 at 6:38 pm |

    I, A WW2 VET ,WE WERE ALL PROMISED FULL FREE MEDICAL THE REST OF OUR LIVES==BUT SEN, LUGAR LED A BILL A FEW YEARS AGO THAT TOOK A LOT OF OUR RIGHTAS AWAY AND ALL FOR SOME WW2 VETS ,TOOK MORE AWAY====this low doWN SOB passed a law to make us take a means test==if we are a few dollaes above the poverity limit we ;Lose some of our promised benifits some lose more than others..This liar stands up and says he s is the vets this law needs to be repeeled ,,,NOW

  258. seems they went from gay spousal partners to same sex partners

  259. it seems to me you want to give these gay shack jobs bennies. to have everything equail you shoud also give. a guy shacking with a girl the same bennies. again don't ask don't tell your shacking up goes for both gay and nongay.

  260. Vietnam Veteran | May 23, 2011 at 10:20 pm |

    The gay movement within the military and the government is a curse to our country…whether anyone agrees or not it is….Barney Franks was the one behind the real estate meltdown….check your facts….the gays are hetro phobic…I am sick and tired of walking on egg shells to please an elite minority in this country….Look what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah…..when they ruled the cities there….this is backed by archaelogical evidence….

  261. Big Cowboy | July 21, 2011 at 9:52 am |

    @ AM1960 "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

    -William Shakespeare

  262. Thank-you K-K-Vet retired. I couldnt have said it better!!!!! I am a disabled vet, female, been with my partner for 15-years, why should she not get my disability when I die? we will be together till we die……… not fair

  263. i did my time in the army. I retired last year after 24 years. the last 14 years i served as a recruiter. I was in a relationship with another male the 14 years as a recruiter. No one knew he was my boyfriend. I think that it is a shame that he supported my decision to serve my country. He did the same thing as a spouse. he had to sit home and waite for me to come home. he deserves the benefits as any other dependent spouse. he deserves the same entitlements. If we marry he should be entitled to the health benefits and anything else a married man and women deserve.

  264. DocGay,One thing people remember this HOMOSEXUALS are not Gay's they are perverts.My last name is Gay and I resent these HOMOSEXUALS using my family name for their perverted practices. If they are so proud of what they are then they should have no problem calling themselves what they are. Nothing short of HOMOSEXUALS…Dose the CODE OF CONDUCT mean nothing now days??Back in my younger days they were called Q.U.E.E.R.S. or F.A.G.G.S. There are alot more people with the last name of Gay in this world so for all you HOMOSEXUALS give it up and find another name for your PERVERTED WAYS. Think of the MEDICS in the Military,would you give one of them mouth too mouth not knowning what was in his mouth the night before??SORRY CHARLIE,not ME…De Oppresso Liber

  265. I spent my time in the combat units, not the band…. and it’s not a workplace…

    Which do you think we have more of, combat units, or bands, get serious.

    Those at the sharp end are the ones who should have had a say.

    That’s the 1 in 20 that the rest of the 100 are supposed to support….

    What are you going to say when the Chaplains have their endorsements pulled over this? I know the troops I know will leave, and it's Thou shalt not murder, check it some time.

    Get real serious. Mouth your platitudes over how gay and happy you were in the band. The band is not what the army is for…

    The army is an instrument of destruction and death for those the country decides should not live any more. Ask Osama bin Laden, we did not send the band.

    Those who do that in the army are in the combat arms.

    We kill people for a job and we don't call it a workplace, and we don’t call the process nation building.

    Gay is not going to play well there.

  266. Yeah, lots of common, right-wing "Christian" misbeliefs here. Lots of gay men are in committed relationships, and I would argue that the number of gays who "swap out partners like changing socks" is probably the same proportion of straight men and women who do the same.

    In fact, gay and lesbian couples are having children, adopting, raising families, and contributing to their communities. You're right, sex shouldn't be in the barracks or on ships, whether thats gay or straight, and we have rules that prevent that.

    I've heard all your lies hundreds of times in church, and I believed them for a long time unfortunately. Then I actually met a gay friend whom I respected immensely, was a Christian, and had been in a relationship for 6 years.


  267. When you served!!!! Just because you are an ignorant old man with the social contraints of a lynch mob does not mean you can impose your narrow views on todays fighting force. I for one do not care who you sleep with so long as you have the training and fortitude to do the job at hand. I know many "gay" Marines that I would be proud to serve with in any capacity. I also know just as many straight Marines that I would just as soon kick to the curb.

    This is one instance where we are the majority in the vote, the minority being someone that WAS in the Service is now out and quotes Gods law like you fully know what his real intention was. Amazing how the bible can be used to convey just about anything you want it too. Sounds a lot like Taliban thinking to me.

  268. Let me correct you on your narrow minded sight, US "homosexuals" have always been and will continue to be serving our country, Just because i am attracted to another male doesnt mean that i can't defend my country with honor courage and commitment. and you have no room to talk about changing partners, if marriage is so sacred according to this "bible" you read than why are so many "normal" people getting married and less than a year later getting divorced, you have no room to belittle any one on this marriage ordeal. DONT LET MY GAY MARRIAGE INTERUPT YOUR STRAIGHT DIVORCE!! if your wounded on the battle field struggling for life and the corpsman just so happens to be gay it shouldnt matter because he is saving your life. im pretty sure you wouldnt deny medical care to lose your life.

  269. Brent Bonfiglio | December 11, 2012 at 2:29 pm |

    WOW.. I'm an active duty colonel with 24 years in the service. I am AIRBORNE and air assalt qualified. I have been deployed many times to Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, Quatar, Africa….. and yes, i'm gay. I have NEVER told any of my fellow solgers about my Husband.. ( yes we are married… in the GREAT state of MA). I am a respected officer. I have never cheated on my spouse. You would never know I was gay unless I told you. It makes me sick to see such ignorance as I see on this forum. grow up there have been gays in the service for decades… and there will continue to be gays that serve….. Sorry if demanding the same rights as my "straight counterparts" is offensive to you… GET OVER IT!

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