UPDATE: According to the Virginia Pilot, Chief of Naval Personnel Vice Adm. Scott Van Buskirk told an audience of about 1,000 sailors at Joint Expeditionary Base Little Creek that the Navy doesn’t plan to cut the program this fiscal year. However, he also told the sailors that the Navy will reduce TA from the current 10o percent coverage to 75 percent in FY2014.
The Army, Air Force, Marine Corps and Coast Guard have all announced they will be suspending future tuition assistance program enrollments. The Army move is likely to affect more than 201,000 soldiers and save the Army $373 million. This amounts to what some in the DoD have referred to as a “rounding error” in the DoD’s annual budget.
The Navy has decided to not make the tuition assistance cuts at this time. This is may change at some point in the future.
According to some reports, some in Congress are planning to introduce legislation that would effectively block the services from suspending tuition assistance. The legislation may be introduced sometime this week.
Stay tuned to Military.com for updates and tuition assistance news as it breaks.
Let your elected officials and the DoD know how you feel about suspending TA.
How does this work? They want them to cut TA, and then Congress will try to prevent the service from blocking the bill. It's part of military benefits to obtain TA! I am thinking Congress should lose some of it's benefits! That would be too much to ask though!
TA is NOT a military benefit. The GI Bill is a benefit IF you signed up for it and paid in your share. TA has gone up and done over the years and has never been guaranteed to anyone.
Deb,
You are correct, but many here just don't get it. Paying into it, was the Pre-911 GI Bill.
You dont even pay into the GI Bill anymore. If you educated yourself you would have realised that you do not have to pay to get the GI Bill. You just have to serve for a certain period of time. Its 36 months to get the full amount.
ACTUALLY, you have to serve overseas to get what GI Bill you speak of… although I am sure that will be done for pretty soon since the troops are certainly not needed anymore.. It's ok, I signed up for this… I understand..
People here are confusing the "GI Bill" and the "Post 9-11 GI Bill"…
One-that-DID-serve,
Huh, what I understand you saying, is that if I've never been assigned overseas, then I will not get the GI Bill?????
Deb, are you arguing legal semantics? TA is a benefit, just not an entitlement. No it was never guaranteed, it was just heavily sold to recruits.
The anger and frustration you see on these pages is not just that people (Soldiers) are whining the their "free money" got canceled, but that something that was sold to them was so abruptly canceled, and was done so with so apparent little regard for the Soldiers who have been sacrificing for our nation for the last 11 years.
With the draw down in Iraq and Afghanistan, Soldier finally thought that they were going to get a chance to use those benefits, like TA. Not all of our Soldiers had unfettered internet access when they were deployed. And we'll just say that for some OPTEMPs could be brutal. Moreover, many had little down time between rotations due to short dwell times. I average about 8-9 months between rotations, and I'm not the worst.
Of course we don't HAVE to give Soldier TA. But why on God's green Earth don't we WANT to give it to them? Do we really want to tell a force that represents 1/2 of 1% of our nation, that has been in combat for up to 11 years, watched friends die or get mangled, lost pieces of their body or mind, lost their families to divorce, missed their children's childhoods…. Do we really want to tell them that they're not worth it? That they don't deserve it? That they haven't EARNED IT?
Maybe our financial crisis is so bad that we need to cut that deeply, but I would have liked to see them START somewhere else. Or at least show some real regret.
THE_MSG,
One thing for sure, even without TA, there will be those that will step up and get the education they need to get promoted.
The new 9/11 GI bill doesn't require you to pay into it only the chapter 30.
F**K going to college. Get a trade and start working on the job today.
CG has "suspended" TA.
Everybody screams take money from the other guy not me. Nobody wants their Sacred Cow Gored. This does not impact on the National Defense one Iota. It is a Personal Benefit to an individual. Be glad you still have the GI Bill as I'm sure that could be next…..
I really do hope this "sacred cow" comes back. Was great for our enlisted and young officers! But your right no one wants their benefit cut. Look in the other mans pocket.
I think a good place to start cutting perks and bene's for flag and field grade offiers. O-5 & up make plenty of money with just base pay. Give up you BAS so the troops and take class and better themselves. Flag officers need to stop getting on airplanes and flying all over the world 2-3 times a month. Seriously, does an O-9 really need a personal security detachment?
This is obama politics. Hit the people that will hurt the most. This is the sorriest POTUS we have had, ever.
Ian,
It's funny, how the harder one works to get to where you are there will always be those looking to take it away from you.
Lest we forget, in the words of the great Paul Harvey, "remember, to the other guy… YOU are the other guy. If every one is thinking the other guy will solve our debt problems, who will be left to actually do it? That is the major complaint with Washington (not just Congress or the Pres'). We, the people of the U.S. pay taxes to ALL of them will represent ALL of us. Their base guideline is the Constitution. Those who disregard it are breaking the law (literally). If they are too "liberal" or too "conservative" call 'em on it. ALL of them. Your tax dollars pay ALL of them, not just your elected party. We as Americans need to remember who we are in the pecking order of democracy and this Republic (for which we stand).
Finally, a voice of REASON! As an independent who studied and knows the Constitution; what the framers intended; and what the Federal Government and States cannot legally do—I'm sick and tired of all the political crimes coming from our government including the People constantly whining, begging and stealing my income via taxation for their own ill begotten personal / political gain! Enough is enough–its either ALL with every citizen receiving a college education (would require a tax increase on all working citizens which includes military personnel and legal residents to fund it); or NONE with everyone paying their own college tuition or receiving a private (non-taxed) college scholarship. We either stand united or fall divided. If we don't get a handle on the unconstitutional political division that is raping our country of all it has achievements, and return to a strong Federal Republic, we will eventually destroy ourselves from within.
Do a web search on KrisAnne Hall. You will be in good company. I have see seminars on the Constitution by her and it makes real Americans want to shout for freedom!!! It is my belief that people like yourself and Mrs. Hall need to swamp D.C. hallways with the "Law". Thank you for your Americanism.
"This does not impact on the National Defense one Iota. It is a Personal Benefit to an individual."
You could not be more wrong! It has long been recognized that a better-educated military contributes substantially to the Readiness of a unit; that it supplements the training they receive; and that it allows them to develop critical thinking skills that allow them to make well-considered decisions when confronted by situations not covered by their training.
what does this mean for those of us already attending college? are we in the clear for now or is our TA stopped?
You can finish current classes. But will not be able to enroll in TA for future courses.
For my situation im 2 weeks from this quarter finishing up so does that mean the following quarter starting in April won't be paid for? thanks for the info btw.
Contact your school and see if they made the cutoff for submitting your TA for April.
If your TA for next quarter is already approved and you have gotten the confimation you are good to go. As of yesterday they will not approve any more classes. But check with your education officer to be sure.
No dates?
Your second job should be ahmmmmmm working with a retired E-8 from the army……..lmao
I wish people would stop blaming Obama solely. There are 535 other politicians in that city who could not figure out a way to compromise, and as a result, sequestration took effect and now everyone will suffer to some point. Whether you are Republican, Democrat or something else, everyone owns some protion of the blame for these issues!
Obama is the president and his unwillingness to seriously address spending problems has resulted in crisis after crisis.
Go read the US Constitution. Read Article 1 which gives the $$$ (Appropriation) powers to CONGRESS, not the President! I sure wish the citizenry were better educated on how their their own government operates.
Then the spending sure wasn't Bushes fault either.
lolol…I didnt here any of you bringing up the other 535 politicians when you talk about the Bush era…all I hear is "Its Bush's fault" but now when your man Obama is dropping the ball time after time your quick to bring up everyone else…typical democrats…nothing is ever your faults
He is the President. Lead like a leader, zip it and get down to what we pay him for is lead the country out of this MESS.
I really think that Congress should have their pay suspended until they can pass a budget. Why should they get paid for NOT DOING their job!!!!! Start the Movement!!!
and POTUS and FLOTUS' vacations must stop
I think the citizens should have their pay suspended until they pass a civics exam. BTW, Congress can only do what the People allow them to do! If the citizenry were better educated on the US Constitution we wouldn't be talking about this or the myriad of crisis we self produce based on our societies lack of control. A country is a reflection of its People, and if the country is a mess its because the People allowed it to become that way. Instead of voting yourselves in bennies and gimmes that picks the pockets of laborers based on warped political ideologies (e.g., Dem's and Rep's) and the citizenry performed their Constitutional duties by keeping the Federal Government (and States) in check, We the People would be a whole lot better off.
Lynn, why haven't you run for office? Give us your first civics lesson since you know nothing about the military? So you are saying if we don 't contact our representatives then we are sheep? Mmmmmm interesting thought. Tell us your first step to change how CON-gress operates. Start right here. #1 vote…..ok. #2 stay active with your elected reps……..ok. #3………………..?
Michelle,
That is a state issue, what do you want DOD to do about it?????
I didn't say the DOD would do anything about it.I'm not blaming the state or Defense Department, I was just stating that there is something wrong with the picture.
Why blame Obama, the Republicans have refused to be reasonable about corporate tax loopholes, massive salaries to CEOs of corporations that exist solely on government contracts, and the banks, to big to fail, still got 83 billion. Good grief, do your homework.
Corporations and all other businesses do not pay taxes!!! They collect them from their customers and "pay them over" to the government. Taxes are a cost of doing business and are therefore included in the prices of goods and services. Raise corporate taxes and they raise prices. We, the consumers are the only ones who pay taxes. If it were up to me, I would remove all business taxes. Then businesses would have more money to expand their businesses, creating more jobs and thereby increasing the tax revenue pool of working people. They could also develop more products, requiring more employees. They could pay larger dividends to stockholders, increasing the tax revenues associated with dividends; etc, etc, etc. Congress should have to take an Econ 101 class and pass it. I do agree there should be a limit on salaries. After all, why should anyone make more money than the President of the United States? That includes celebrities, atheletes and corporate executives.
Do you really believe "corporations do not pay taxes"? Just ask ANY business owner; or better yet, tell them that and hold on for the ride of your life. "Passing on taxes collected…" is a small part of any business. The government gets a huge amount of money from businesses. Not all "taxes" are called that. There are licenses, fees, certifications, permits, and within taxes are property, corporate, income, intangible, and more. It is not as cut and dry as we are made to believe. It even costs a business money to have employees. As for Congress, they have their faults. It was not Congress that pushed the "bailout" through. It was the President. (matters not what his name is or which color he chooses to be that day) that upped the national debt by trillions. G.M. using bailout money to build factories in China; Chrysler used bailout money to sell out to France; major banks also who used funds for private functions; then the "green" industries, the ones who are shuffled like cards to hide productivity, losses, etc. Why not let the democratic way work, get what you pay for or go to another source. Time for gouging companies to go away and be replaced by fair competition. (same with salaries). Not by Federal mandate, but by simple supply and demand (the American way).
You do your homework, idiot. Corporations do not pay taxes. They pass their tax burden to the consumer. Raise taxes on corporations and they will raise the prices of their goods and services to meet the level of taxation. Id 10 T
ian,
Since you're going to look at it that way, then the money people earn is paid to them by the Corporations. Ergo, they (the Corporations) are really paying my taxes.
OK there is enough blame to go around. However why have the Dems not come up with a budget in over thr last four years? It is a LAW that the Pres. come up with a budget by Feb every year. The Dems say they have reduced the spending by 2 Mil but yet they have 6 Mil in new spending. THAT IS NOT CUTTING!
Take away educating the military as a benefit of SERVING, as well as closing the job corps around the country, which is a way to educate "at risk" youth so that they have a better chance at not being welfare recipients. I worked at one until just recently, when they stopped letting anyone else come in and downsize by attrition and behavior. What good will that do for all the youth that wanted to change their family path and get an education and a job? What good will taking away educating those that served our country? Many who have jobs while they serve are not trained to crossover to a civilian job. They need education. Why does this congress want to take away education????????? Take away guns, take away education, take away jobs…does no one see where we're headed with all of this? Looks to me like many are checking their brains at the door. Cutting off our nose indeed.
Peggy,
No one is taking away education benefits from those in the service, that is the GI Bill. The Transition Assistance was just butter on the bread so to speak.
You don't know what you're talking about. TA is used while the member is serving, and it's only $4,500 per year, barely enough to cover three courses, and cannot be used to pay for books. The GI bill is not fully earned until the member has served three years, and most members wait until they have separated from active duty to use it.
get a job you mooch and stop thinking the taxpayers are here for your every need. You served nothing except your own ego. Such a child
Lmao……..playboy getting boring?
Jamescanby,
I know exactly what I'm talking about. The GI Bill is guaranteed by law, and no one is taking that away. TA is not an Entitlement and that is why it was easly done away with.
The TA model is fairly sound- train young men in a skill/provide reasonable education benefits and these men & woman will not burden the social systems but provide a tax base for 40 years. Short term solutions are short sighted- hard to believe our best and brightest are running the government unless, of course, the interest of the country isn't the driving force.
Tuition assistance is a major incentive for recruits. Despite the downsizing, the military still needs enlisted and officer recruits to coach, teach and mentor into great leaders. Providing TA for higher learning is a great method of making our leaders a stronger and more formidable resource to the military and the nation. These leaders will be the ones to take the U.S. Military in the future. These leaders will be the ones to provide the U.S. Government the strategic power of war. It will be interested to see how the suspension of TA will affect recruiting.
It was one of the reasons I joined, so it would be nice if they kept up their end of the bargain. I had hopes of getting my degree and doing OTS, something many of my peers were intent on as well.
then you joined for the wrong reason mooch. Who do you think is paying the government is made of taxpayers and you aren't one
Wrong…military members pay taxes just like the rest of tax payers…
For the future,
Not sure whether it is a major incentive, but I do know it is number 7 on the list of reasons soldiers would re-enlist and/or extend their commitment.
I think people are blowing this way out of proportion. Does anyone have the stats on who and how many really use/used TA????? I mean, it's easy to say something about TA, but a lot different to put the numbers behind you. Myself, I think very, very few soldiers actually use TA.
I have had the same thoughts and also have been told that TA is not used by majority of the military members…it's something that is budgeted for each year but is only used by a few so they cut it. So is it really a savings if it wasn't being used to begin with???
My husband uses it so it effects us. Seems like they could have come up with a "budget per se" and given some of the money to those who have been using it in FY13 vs. just taking it all from everyone. Then again how often do people these days actually make good informed smart decisions vs. the scrambing last minute decisions that screw everyone in the end.
Why should we foot the bill for your education. You get the GI bill which 65% are in for only. The lifers should be the only ones getting TA. Once you cross 14 years then you should get it. Be ready for transistion out of the military life.
lets see your ass go to war then if think our souldiers shouldnt get. Go on, go enlist.
Sorry Dawn did my 21 years and would never do another minute. Please do not talk about defending and yada yada either. I will tell you a real quick story to shut you mouth. My neighbors spent 4 years in AF and now own a new home making around 8 grand a month going to school off a 4 year hitch. DO NOT tell me a thing.
ravengotu. You are the worst kind of "I got mine" that I've seen. Our youngest Soldier work the hardest, face the most physical threats, and deal with the most Cr@p. In the last 11 years of combat it takes more the just dedication to make it into the second decade. It talks luck. Luck that you haven't destroyed something on your body by lugging around 70 lbs of gear in the burning heat or freezing mountains. Luck that nothing has been blown off, perforated (shot), or scrambled (mTBI). It doesn't matter if 65% enlist for the education. They are still serving, unlike the other 99.5% of the U.S.
We should "foot the bill" because we, as a nation, used those guys and gals roughly. The GI Bill will help you get a BS/BA, but if you need a little more time, because you're a little messed up, or because the field that you want to go into requires a MS, then TA should be there to help. There should be LOTS of things there to help veterans transition back into civilian life.
You obviously do not even know the size of forces. Then actual forces on the ground. What about civilians working there. Please stop do your 4 years get out go to school for 4 6 years an enjoy. Dont ask for more. Also if you are so honorable do not file disaabilty for ptsd that they now give a free check for
If your a Retired service member, I ask what branch? I have been in for 10 yrs. and though TA is a perk, it is beneficial to being a effective and educated decision maker in the Air Force. I have been through many leadership schools (military), but the knowledge I have gained in most of my management classes has been greatly useful! I think they could go back to the 75% funded and the member pays 25%, but cutting it outright is wrong. I have been fighting to break the military of old habits and modernize our way of thinking and doing things. Without the TA I would have never got our unit moving in a better direction.
USN, and really feel for you modern day military. Do you realize that you have had the best pay raise in the history of our Armed forces. They now give away disabilty pay to almost anyone who served. I am not the one who put you there nor asked for you to join. Your decision. The military has spent more in the last 10 years and increased or overall defict than in our entire history. We spend more now then we did to defeat the Russians. If you have problems WRITE to your leaders not to me.
Navy-Boy-
I served over 21 years in the Air Force. You say they are giving away disability pay?? I've been out for almost 2 years and they are still reviewing my claim. Tell the doctors I have to see about my back and knees, among other things that they don't have to treat me because the military is just giving away disability pay. Talk to my friend who had "boots on the ground" 4 times in 5 years and has more physical and emotional scars then I care to think about. His disability claim has been in the works for 3 years.
By the way, learn to spell disability. It makes you look even MORE ignorant than you already are. You disgust me.
Good to see you on here AFmedic!!! Most don't want to hear of your sacrifice or anyone else's. Easier to talk as if it's business, or black and white. Apparently it's not about the ACTUAL reality. Whether it's medical, education or retirement, many think it's a vacation and these "conflcts" are won by computerized, push button warfare.
Idmtmedic- you of all of us medics deserve major respect. Often, you are the only medical assistance in the thick of battle. That's right, battle. In case you old folk didn't notice, we have all the privileges of a "push button warfare" AND, we are still losing our husbands, wives, sons & daughters. I would normally call these people my brothers and sisters in arms. As for Navy-boy and his sidekick Charles, I shake my head in disappointment of their disregard for today's military force.
AFmedic,
You're making up stories now.
No, I'd say your opinion of veterans is pretty much on point. Whiners, complainers and don't deserve respect. Want more more more? I'm already retired so most of these decisions by CON-gress do not affect me outside of Tricare, however it DOES NOT stop me from becoming active for the new recruits. I respect your service Charles, not your opinions about benefits or your BS about sacrifices made by our soldiers. It's black and white with you. Legal vs moral.
Appreciate it medic. Good luck on your claim and the VA.
Ha AF baby's What you stand guard on planes and hurt your back. Or was it while holding the pilot's helmet. My neighbors were flybaby's as you, did 3 tours and now make mega bucks. You get what you deserve. Now finally, ooo you caught my spelling, is that like you got ketchup on your shoirt. Like a little baby as most AF are snub nosed brats most.
Bro, your posts are really unproductive. Times in the military are clearly different from when you served. Thank you for your service. I would hope that you would be more supportive of the men and women currently serving.
This is the end now. I got nothing from serving. I asked for nothing. I did for my country. I am not the one taking away a thing. How many crying here wrote a letter to their congressman? I made a statement, simple and true. Dont like go pout ina corner like a little baby, No they worry about spelling, or you did not serve, yada yada. This is why America is going down. Our younger generation can not do a thing without a phone/pc next to them. A waste of space and being taught they NEED everything.
You are entitled to your opinion. Thank you for sharing with the group. I sincerely wish you the best of luck in the rest of your retirement years and hope your opinion of the men and women serving changes. Whatever their reason is/was for joining, they represent the few that had the courage to do so.
Have your opinion about money but I ask you to respect those who still wear the uniform proudly.
If you asked for nothing and got nothing, why is this subject such a hot topic for you. Go ahead and insult today's military. Just don't complain when we don't have the means to protect people like you. Ravengotu, you make me sad. Shame on you for speaking out against the same men & women who are following in your footsteps.
All services work together during war and none is better than the other. Without each doing their part it doesn't work. Met and worked with MANY fine men and women from each service as well as NATO. Also worked with a few that make you wonder. Regardless, bashing any service isn't helping anyone.
you obviously didnt serve. or if you did you had to have gotten kicked out. Theres no way you did 21 yrs and dish out a personal attack like that. Lifers have more respect for each other then that.
just to let you know , just because you are in a certain branch doesn't mean crap. while i was over seas i saw every branch with boots on the ground, and by the way at the fob i was at the air field was mortared on a daily basis. as of this post i still haven't seen what branch you served in all mighty and perfect one. its also not the service member that is making this country go down, its the ass clowns on the hill!
U.S Army
transportation corp
You do realize that the value of the American dollar has dropped drastically in the last 21 years, right? Yes, more money for service. But, let's not forget about higher taxes, rent/mortgage, bills, food costs, gas prices, and…higher tuition. I would much rather have my money go to a fellow Airman than some front porch sittin' moocher on welfare!!
Those management classes will be obsolete very quickly. That's the problem with college, its a one-size-fits-all short term instruction in a constantly evolving environment. By the time you think you have it mastered its changed again—-they call it "process improvement". You and majority of students are better off being mentored by skilled professionals through OJT and continually learning or developing new tools and testing them as you progress in your career. The problem with America today, especially secondary education and college, is it lacks "critical thinking skills". Students are taught to blindly follow and accept whatever they are told without questioning or testing it. FACT, the wheel was invented; Pyramids were built; Ships were designed; and Planes flown all without a degree! Our founding fathers had less than 4 years of formal education, yet formed the first government of its kind! Self learning and Apprenticeships (aka OJT) has been the most successful form of education used over the history of mankind, including our own, that brought about incredible inventions. The current "degree epidemic" is killing our country and keeping very smart, intelligent, innovative and industrious people from achieving their full potential because they don't have a degree—its nuts. What if the Wright Brothers, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, or Steve Jobs spent all their time in school/college instead of learning their trade while continuously testing and tweaking their inventions until they finally brought it to market, thereby directly improving society. There are very few professions that actually requires a high level of study such as modern day medicine and physics; however any motivated, smart or studious individual is fully capable of learning most professions/trades (including law like Abraham Lincoln did) before or immediately after high school, because children used to be taught critical thinking skills at a very young age by either doing it (machinist at age 16 like Henry Ford) or through self study and practice (like Edison who attended school for only 3 months); whereas The School of Life has always been the best inventor and educator.
Do I get credit for this dissertation? TA, TA, TA? Where is Charles when you need him? I'm thinking more than a few PCN shots are needed.
You are completely right @ THE_MSG I played my dues on the battlefield many times over. This is was a life choice and I worked hard for it | I sweated for it | I bleed for it and I suffered through it so this country could be safe. There should not be any kind of benefits cut for our soldiers now and future. On another note you OWNED ravengotu lol
Since you are retired, you are probably not aware that college experience is quickly becoming (unofficially) required even in the enlisted ranks. It plays heavily into the selection process at advancement boards and applying for specialty programs. Removing our ability to continue our education while still active duty is unwise.
Do you not have a GI bill, one in which some never had. Do you know that. Enough said.
excellent reply. However, Jacey Eckhart and her cohorts are spending as much on the spousebuzz website and her around the world pr events as the TA program — funded by our tax dollars. They want to keep everyone's focus on the mundane except their cocktail parties events — research spousebuzz live and the dempsey spouse events.
Drugs are bad
It is fairly obvious to me that you didn't use many of your military benefits towards education……….after viewing your grammar. I am sure you are destined for greatness.
Yes you are correct. I did not recieve and educational benefits. But I did manage and not as a comedian as you are. But if I even need to learn to write a complete sentence I will look you up. So please go live by your name less is more.
Lessismore,
Why is it when two of us (Veterans) disagrees, one goes after the other with whatever they got. Lessismore, posting in blogs were never ment to be graded by you or anyone else.
I'm not saying blogs are meant to be graded but who wants to sound uneducated? Well, I guess Navy-Boy does. He is pretty proud of the fact that he never bothered to get an education whether it was with TA or by his own hard work. I'm with you Lessismore. You need to sound educated to be taken seriously.
AFmedic,
So what we need to do then, is to out anyone that sounds unducated! Gotcha.
You got my vote!!!!!
Yes and you are both part of the American problem. You and afmedic. You think that you are the chosen ones. The ones who gave it took it away. Grow up and get on with it. Now come here and tell me I am wrong. NO you are both wrong and now it goes away. Dont like it go be a politician as it is right up your ally useless.
I am not among any "chosen ones." I simply put in my time and was given the option to use the GI Bill the military offered me. I don't feel "entitled". I feel that if the military offers a benefit, you can take it or leave it. I'm taking it. I'll be seeing you (and your kind) in the VA hospitals and in medical treatment facilities. And, I will treat you with the respect of anyone who's served- regardless of their ignorant, jaded opinions.
You are the sad minority of bitter veterans who only wish those who followed you the same misery you experienced.
You sound like a envious hater.
Yes he does.
mooch girl
Yea! Why should we pay for military members to be educated, I would much rather pay for their unemployment or welfare checks!!! I am sure when a 18 year old finishes his service and begins to use his GI bill he will be fine and won't need any assistance, since base pay is so lucrative these days and allows for so many us to save bundles of money!
We should pay for their TA, they deserve it. Veterans make many sacrifices for the freedom of our country. Yes, it is their decision to serve our country and we should be thankful to these individuals who are willing to do it. Their base pay is nothing. All branches are paid differently, and those who really put their lives on the line are paid the least. So, yes, we should give them tuition assistance and whatever else Is needed to help them transition back into civilian life. I also can't imagine there are many Veterans opting for welfare. They are not likely to milk the system like a lot of other people do. Most Veterans want to work and are reliable, dependable and disciplined. There just are not enough jobs out there.
That is not what I said, but obviously that is your opinion. I won't attempt to change it seeing as you have posted on quite a few posts. We are in this situation because of how money has been grossly mismanaged in this country. Our military should not have to be affected by any changes.
Yes and why do you think they have changed retiree's medical from Tricare Prime to now going to standard. This will result in more out of pocket for our lifetime free medical.
America is broke. If all those serving are so concerned, try getting rid of the F 35 program that will cost all that education.
I agree with you about the F 35 program. I also think that the TA was a good incentive to promote higher education within the ranks. However for now TA has to go, perhaps there will be a time it can back. What makes me mad is that they are taking so much from the military men/ women and not eliminating other wasteful programs. It's also irritating that we are going to provide 250 million dollars in aid to Egypt that we don't have. We need to fix our country now and not worry about helping others. Once ours is fixed then we can become the "nice" big brother again.
Wrong, when you make 35k a year and pay for only gas, you have a sweet deal. REAL life is not good money. I also ask this . How about all who due to jobs in the military can not attend classes. THEY LOOSE. Bet you never knew there were many who CAN not go to school.
THERE IS NO ONE in the military who can not take classes! The majority of our service members now take online classes…and we have computers all over the world. The deal with MGI Bill is that if you use it before you seperate, you only get a portion of it…that is why you are instructed to use it once you seperate, that way you get the full benifits of the benifit. You keep saying people join the military for the GI Bill, but that is no t the case. I was a recruiter, and am not a first shirt, and have been in for 21 years so far…and our younger force are not joining for the GI Bill…they are joining for the "educational benifits", benifits that include TA. Many kids did not make the right decisions in high school, and were either not wealthy enough to go to college, or did not qualify…but since joing the enlisted force, they have developed that desire and drive needed to be successful…and you as a "retired" military member thing it is ok to take the benifit away. Im glad you were not my supervisor because it is very obvious that you had no concern or desire to help and better those that you were charged with leading…very sad.
Thank you, bonneaux. I could not have said it better!!
bonneaux,
Huh, you say they aren't joining for the GI Bill, then you say the are joining for the "educational benifits", that includes TA. I know this, when asked what is the most important reason why you would re-enlist or extend you commitment, the soldiers placed "Educational Opportunities" number 7, with "Patriotism", number 1, "Pension" number 2, "Job Security", number 3, "Career Satisfaction" number 4, "Health Care for Family and Self", number 5, and "Pay" number 6.
So now you claim the military is a social program to help kids get educated other then the training and schooling they get while in. That they must be a graduate of a Bachelors degree or higher in order to function in the REAL world. Glad that used car salesmen still hide in a recruiting uniform.
Yes they are joining to get FREE education. No, stop it now. It goes away so face reality. MONEY ever heard of it. America is going brokeand our military has milked it dry. Here is one for your leadership class. EVER heard of grants. or how about scholarships. Tell them to apply. STOP welfare.
Who makes $35k a year and only has to pay for gas?? Today's young enlisted families are having to be put on welfare or receive food stamps because they can't support their spouse and two kids. Housing allowance doesn't always cover rent or a mortgage. It certainly doesn't cover electricity, water, gas, or groceries. If ANYONE has the desire to go to school, there is always a way.
You get a hosing allowance. Check a civilian. Now who would ever join the military with a wife and 4 kids. A LOSER would.
First of all, Navy-boy, I said a spouse and two kids, not four. I guess you have a problems with numbers as well as grammar. That being said, a civilian family with 1, 2 OR 4 kids at that age (19-24) would have trouble supporting them WITHOUT AN EDUCATION. So, going full circle, if our young men and women volunteer to put themselves in the way of deployments and possibly harms way, they do deserve the meager tuition assistance they would get while active duty and upon honorable discharge or retirement. I am truly appalled at your attitude toward this. ESPECIALLY as a retired vet who did not have the privilege of education benefits. You should want better for those coming up behind you, serving our country. God forbid you have/had children in the military. Would you feel the same way? Again, you disgust me. I will no longer reply to your ignorant responses as I feel that you are more of an instigator than someone with knowledge of today's military. Perhaps you'd be happier living underwater. Jerk.
I assume the part about the 4 kids would be about me, considering I said I have 4 daughters, am I right? If so let me inform you that when my husband joined the Marine Corps 14 YEARS ago we had 1 child. Now, yes we have 4 and provide for them just fine without any assistance. You are obviously very anti-military. I know you claim to have been prior service but I find that hard to believe. Having 4 kids and being in the military doesn't make ANYONE a loser…
AFmedic,
Never have I ever seen any number of those on welfare in he Service. Please, show me the beef. As for food stamps, that's on them. After $352.27 per month for food BAS, if you still can't make it, over and beyond that, they give family Supplemental Subsistence Allowance (FSSA) up too $1,514.00 addition monies. So, tell me $1,514.00 plus $352.27 equals $1,866.27 you can get from the Government for FOOD.
So, let me just say if you can't afford to be in the service and take care of your family, please, get out.
https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/fssa/
I have never heard of that FSSA. I had many an airman who had trouble feeding his family. I'm quite sure my First Sgt would have advised me about this FSSA.
And, if you can't afford to take care of a family IN the service, where the hell are you going to afford it in the civilian world??
AFmedic,
So you never heard of it, huh. I guess the DOD website I gave you is a fake website. Anyway, the facts are what they are.
LMAO, so your 1SG didn't know about it, so it must not be true. LOL, you Air Force guys.
Nice Charles, need another 3H? Perhaps some PCN for that disease of the mouth?
Just one of many websites where you can find information on military members on food stamps.
http://www.vamortgagecenter.com/blog/2012/05/09/w…
AFmedic,
I went to your website, and they sight the soldier for LACK OF BUDGETING causing them to be on Food Stamps, which I agree with wholeheartedly.
Should a soldier not be able to afford to get married or have kids, then don't, but if you do, I'm tired of hearing about those poor soldiers that that are on Welfare and drawing Food Stamps because the Military does pay enough.
And I'm tired of hearing of a soldier who has been retired for many years trying to tell anybody anything about CURRENT situations. Especially with the sacrifices made compared to 30-40 years ago. Military pays enough for what? A Yugo and some soup? According to you we should stay just above poverty line and be happy. No car, no kids, no life. How's that worked for you? Nice big happy family? Or no budget for that?
idmedic,
Again, please take you personal issues with me over to this site:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyMilitaryHistory/?…
LOL..all we pay for is gas? You're delusional, my husband is an Infantry Marine who has served in both Afghanistan and Iraq several times. We have 4 daughters and let me tell you we pay for a hell of a lot more than just gas. We have bills just like every civilian, and I saw an earlier remark about PTSD that my friend you should keep your mouth shut about, you obviously have no clue what it's like to have PTSD or to live with someone who has it.
Tell it sister!
TROLL Alert everyone. dont mind him.
I think anyone who is willing to enlist and put their life on the line and have their privacy stripped from them as they know it should be allowed TA. REGARDLESS of incentives for joining. They joined, that's all that matters.
okay then you pay for it entirely I'm sick of paying for everyone who pursues their dream and then claims "honor"and I need my benefits when the honor runs out . Gross
why dont you go join the military to see our side of iot NYC546 then you know the feeling we have . Idiots like you have the right to say that.
What did you do for this country? What sacrifcies have you made? This is part of the contract Vets sign in leiu for their service. Point-Conter point!!!
Hobo,
No, TA is not part of the Contract soldiers sign. That's misinformation.
there is always one uneducated person that makes a stupid comment. This is one. Recruiting for the services endorses education now for the military to take this away is a damn shame. If I had to tell someone to join the military or go to college it would be college because the military just has to find ways to screw the troops. I used TA on active duty and it payed off in my career now this. To every politician you need to get off your ass and get this back for the troops that volunteer and get crap pay but volunteer to get deployed and earn a education the hard way.
I will say this Bob, if you are reffering to me being the uneducated one. By educated do you mean sitting in a class and listening to some yahoo as yourself. Then yes I am uneducated.
I was educated with 14 years at sea, traveling the world and seeing and talking with many people in many countries. We worked hard and VERY long hours in which i think you know nothing about. Books were something that when we had a little time off we read for enjoyment. I do the same job as when I served. YOU are getting paid to get an education yet want more.
Amen Bob, Congress hasn't passed a budget since 2009. Every Officer would be relieved for cause immediately for not doing their job. Where are the protesters? Why is congress getting 175k a year. Aim the guns at the rout cause, the american aristocrats, Congress! They go on break before the job is done, fly on government planes and party around the country campaigning. The military can never go on break when a job is to be done. Education is a requirement to be promoted to O4,O5, O6.. W3, W4, W5,, E7, E8, and E9. Unlike civilian jobs, if you do not promote you are kicked out. Every board looks at performance and education. Going to night school while defending the country takes true dedication. If education is required then pay for it. Ravengotu you served in a different military. The military is pushing the education. So think back to those long days and imagine having to do a research paper too. The pressure on our troops is immense. It's not about wanting more, it's the demand of the military expecting more. I thank you for your service but don't begrudge today's military for doing what is expected. Support them and be proud of the professionalism of today's service members. You would not make Chief today without an associates degree. How would that make you feel if it was required and yet no funding for it? You would be more pissed off than you are now, believe me.
Why should I risk my life for yours. I guess the fact that I have gave my blood for your freedom counts for nothing. Maybe before you starting taking the little we do earn you should look at what you have and ask yourself who dies so you can be a ass. Worthless people like you are the reason soldiers feel as if our country doesn't care. And if you did do 21 years. What the hell? I'm a 13 year 11b vet and I still serve in the reserves. What were you a coast guard? Wait when you say you served was even the US military? Think before you speak.
Check your fire Sgt Cruz. I'm a 2nd generation Coast Guardsman retiring after 30 years and I take offense to your post. My father was in Korea and I have friends who served on river boats in Viet Nam. Just because the recent wars have been inland does not mean we're sitting on our haunches. Do a little research about what the Coast Guard actually does. While you at it look up Douglas Munro. A Coast Guardsman who put himself in harms way at Guadal Canal.
I paid your salary you did nothing but serve your own ego. Case closed.
Huh? Did you fight in the Revolution? Or WWII? If not then you technically weren't protecting our freedoms as that rests solely with The People. The Constitution is the embodiment of our freedom and last I checked it still exists and is currently protected by a high level of security within the National Archives Building in Wash D.C . Maybe if the Constitution wasn't treated as an "Archive" and was actually followed by the People, including the Oath you and every federal employee took to honor, obey and defend IT, you nor others would have lost any blood. Listen, I am not against a strong defense here at home (includes militia and citizenry), however I'm sick an tired of the political morass of hog chit that our politicians and companies engage in around the world that is the direct cause of the hostility, anger, and ire against us by those residing on the same planet that we must learn to co-habitat with. We are still a baby nation in relation to the world, and by constantly sticking our hands in hornet nests and then try to kill the hornets who are defending their home is insanity—we deserve to be stung!
A couple quotes to ponder:
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive." – Noah Webster (Philadelphia 1787)
I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. If we run into such debts, we must be taxed in our meat and drink, in our necessities and in our comforts, in our labor and in our amusements. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labor of the people, under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
- Thomas Jefferson
Your political ranting does nothing for the veterans or future veterans. You have an issue with the military then take your BS to CON-gress. THEY make the laws and renege on promises to the military. Rotations are a hell of ALOT more taxing then back in Vietnam. Discounting the sacrifices of any veteran from ANY conflict is a great way to make your argument. If you don't like the fact TA is/ WAS an option then write your CON-gressman and stop whining here. THEY also take an oath and you can be dam sure it's not with their life. Your a constitutional scholar? Great quotes……I am sure you know the one by George Washington? Why are we in hornets nests you say? "Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession."
4500$ a year raises an E-5s pay from a mere, 30358 with 5 years of service to a wapping total of 34858….I dont hardly think this "benifit" is all that costly, everyone on here talking crap needs to go put the lives of many in the hands of there SGT while risking there own for a whopping 30358 income, with a whole 4500$ a year I can use for school, that need i add you only get if you use it, what you dont use goes back to the govt…
May I ask why did you join? I am sure modern day enlistments are more closely watched then when I joined.
Also may I ask. Did you ever work before enlisting?
Last, Do you know that many civilians have not gotten raise for years.
Are you serious? You are livng safely in the free world and you think that you are "footing the bill" for these soldiers who are risking their lives for you??? Well, I can say one thing….YOU are not deserving of such an honor. However, there are MANY who appreciate that these soldiers are the only thing standing between us and learning Farsi. We have a totally VOLUNTEER service, the pay sucks, the living conditions suck, the life style can suck for the family members, it SUCKS to get shot at….there is a lot of things that suck. Tuition assistance is the least we can do for these guys.
I spent twenty years also and that's a bunch of bs your talking
The bottom line is that our service members put their lives on the line for our freedoms. To cut the TA benefit is a slap in the face; we are talking about $4.5k that not every service member uses. That amount of money is inconsequential in the larger deficit woes of our country. Cuts should be made elsewhere, not on the backs of our service members who are willing to give theirs lives for their countrymen.
Really? How many? There are far more dangerous civilian jobs and deaths, e.g. transportation, logging, mining, construction, manufacturing, policing, etc. here at home every year. Maybe you should pay for their education, food, housing, healthcare, disability, etc. Majority of military members never see combat or put their lives on the line and work in an office, hospital / clinic , or on a ship, etc. Wars today are mostly fought by air and sea (lobbing missiles/bombs and using drones)—-nothing like Viet Nam or WW I & II that actually involved an ARMY to fight against! What ever happened to "service to country"? When did the all volunteer military crowd adapt the caste system mentality that the country should serve them and their families? Our military has turned into the largest welfare program yet you still want more and more and more!!! Take a friggen look at our NATIONAL DEBT—We the People simply DON'T have the $$$ to pay for it all! UGH!
Lmfao………..UGH is right. I am waiting to see your figures on deaths in these vocations vs the miltary, killed, injured? I was a med tech, care to ask about my cushy hospital job that can be done by a little OJT? Lololol.
Really? Know how to use Google? Everyone wants people to do their work for them…what a shocker. I lived in a dorm with med-techs on the third level back in the mid 80's, so don't even go there. Majority of those serving in the military since Viet Nam are not directly threatened by life or injury. Trust me, if we didn't have the air and sea power like we do today, there would have been another Draft forcing citizens to fight. Our illustrious leaders as usual ignore the Constitution and by recycling the same one's while majority were safe and out of harms way, they were able to avoid that scenario. Majority volunteer for the training and bennies—not to fight or defend our country and you know it. Our military has turned into a glorified welfare program, not a "defense force" which the Militia (Article 1, Section 8) and Citizenry (2nd Amendment) are suppose to be.
You posted it, back it up. Ohhh you lived with one? What was I thinking? Lmao
I wholeheartedly agree with you rav. Congress has gone so far past the US Constitution in relation to the military (Article 1, Section 8) by turning it into a very expensive welfare program. Our military members should do some research on the Revolutionaries, Civil War, WW I & II soldiers to learn what "true sacrifice and service to country" is. Majority of our youth today don't volunteer to protect our country; they do it to get out of their homes and secure a job with good pay and bennies they can't find in their local communities/State. Soldiers should pay for their "non-military education" if they wish to do so on their own time and dime. The taxpayers are already paying a premium price for military training that could easily be performed by an hourly/salary paid citizen (e.g., admins, cooks, med techs, management, etc.) with a little OJT. In the 1950's less than 3% of the population had a degree yet it was the most inventive and innovative by creating what we now call the middle-class because instead of sitting behind a desk for four years; they were out there working, building, manufacturing and selling products that we still use today—sadly too many companies have off-shored most of it to other countries to our own detriment. The amount of "basket weaving degrees" offered today is ridiculous, whereas majority of jobs can be learned and performed with a little OJT at a far less cost than a degree will ever provide. We need to get off the degree mill and get back to work producing stuff here at home!
Sigh, so when is your business starting and how soon till you save the country? Perhaps YOU need to visit with the families of veterans. Go on a ride along in downtown Somalia? Perhaps visit the twin towers? A strong military is the deterrent. Discipline is not exactly a civilians strong suit. Lunches, breaks, sick days are usually not part of enlistments. However, perhaps in your infinite wisdom you could forget the lessons of history and re-write it to suit your new world order?
idmedic,
In an attempt to win your argument, you continually use Soldiers, Veterans, the Wounded, and Dead. Please STOP. Hunt for and use a different angle.
Thanks.
Thanks for the input Charles, now where was I? Oh yes, the DEAD AND INJURED. yes hard to believe THAT would come up in conversation.
Whatever. First, I am a veteran. Second, I know many who were torn up from war, especially Viet Nam. Third, the difference between the Viet Nam generation and this one is they didn't POUT and put on their big boy pants and went to work and paid for their own education IF they wanted to do so. I don't mind paying the tuition for someone who suffered a significant injury due to military service like my brother-in-law who received a 100% disability and medically discharged as an E-3. But just because someone enlists doesn't mean they should be automatically "entitled" to a non-military education. This goes for everyone, whereas if they want a degree badly enough then they should EARN IT like all the generations before you did by getting good grades (scholarships), working and/or saving to pay for it. Our society has turned into a bunch of whiners constantly begging for handouts that We the People (working taxpayers) cannot afford—enough is enough! I have no LEGAL DUTY or OBLIGATION to pay for you to attain a college degree…my legal contribution ends at 12th grade and then its yours (or parents) responsibility to pay for any education thereon, period.
Charles I think you have a date, lmao.
Right on bro.Dam they gonna hate you. Lazy tards.
Another proud veteran….;)
You know what really amazes me with you bunch. Most all served, yet the older generation does not need to seek help at all angles. You joined to help our country. Period. Not to get the golden coin for life. So you dont get something yet still get access to education, nope we want more, more and more. You are dispicable to be called service members.
Lynn,
You make some excellent points, of course now you will have that little ankle bitter idmedic on your tail with your every post.
LOL
I'd give you the nickname I have for you but, TH probably would frown on that. Hope the date goes well……lmao
Because it's the law, shithead.
Wow you are a idiot!!! You are only making yourself look bad! Since you "say" you were in the military you obviously didn't use the TA to your advantage because you are an idiot!!! And i am proud to be a disable veteran now and proud to say that i am very grateful to collect disability from the VA. You my friend are just a jealous ignorant idiot who doesnt have a life and is a low life scum!!!! Your mad at your neighbors because they used the TA that they were given and now live a nice awesome life because they put in the hard work and dedication to get a degree!!! Shut your dirty face you whore and get out of my country!!!!
They were a pencial pusher who never left the US!
Hey there smarty. On a ship we worked 18 hour days 7 days a week. TA you are an idiot go suck a t.it and grow up. You know nothing of being out at sea for months on end. Nothing. Take your i pad and go flush it and yourself down the commode.
Why not? it's the people who have served and are serving now to protect your way of life. It's people like you that members of the armed froces have fought and are fighting for you to have freedom of speech. You should thank a veteran asap.
Martin,
I'm a retired E-8, the Constitution give me freedom of speech.
Just a Note: Including Nam, there has been 95 U.S Interventions, none of them if they never would have happened, would have taken away any of my rights.
A retired E-8 would know that the 95 US interventions you speak of and all the wars that the US has been in are not what necessarily guarantees your freedom. Its the fact that we actually have an organized military that is WILLING to die for your freedoms that guarantees your rights.
Luke,
For years I've thought about it, and if I had never gone to Nam or Gulf 1 everything back in America would have been the same. I stopped thinking that if it weren't for me everyone would be speaking Vietnamese years ago.
I think sometimes we place ourselves on a pedestal for a lot of reason other than what is true. Anyway, I climbed down off my pedestal years ago. For those of you thinking differently, the Constitution gives you that right.
So why did you serve? What is your reason? Retirement, medical, college, job?
You are talking about service members, not postal workers, people in the armed forces have never gotten paid properly for what they do or for what they have to put up with. If you paid people in the military half of what it would cost to contract out there jobs they would be getting a 100% pay raise and still be a bargin compared to the lazy politicians and over paid government (union) workers.
58bushido,
Tell me again why people join the service, people here are saying it is because of Tuition Assistance.
Why? You are the sheep and we are the guard dogs protecting you from the wolf. Be nice to learn a new job after we finish protecting the sheep.Maybe we should let a few wolfs slip by so you'll understand!
You are a pawn in a chess match and are disposable. Get a clue superman.
who pissed in your cheerios? petty officer? boohoo you were on a big nasty ship in the middle of the ocean for awhile and had to deal with the same people and same porn every day. Grow up dude and show a little support for the profession that you say you retired from.
It's scary that people such as yourself think and feel this way. How about those that don't deserve welfare be removed and put that money back to our soldiers. And here is another thing these men and women pay into the GI BILL! I take it you are not a veteran and that you think our rights are just there and nobody has died to protect those rights.
Signed mother of a veteran and daughter of a veteran…
They should instead of cutting the GI/bill or the Post 9/11, they should go after the colleges and tell them to bring their college tuition's down. College is getting more expensive!
Inocare,
They never cut either GI Bills. And, as for college tuition, yes it's high, but that the States business not Federal.
why do people even reply to someone who such a low reputation. you're obviously nothing more than a troll.
Sorry Myles I was going to not comment but..You are like a child and droped your pacifier so start calling names. You comment was worth nothing either way, You play both sides of the fence like a snake with no backbone. I picked my side. Why dont you try it. Troll look in the mirror bud.
No, these people are putting their lives second to your own. If they are called today they leave out to the front lines. If they have been in 14 years they have already made a career in Military and are getting degrees to go up in rank.
I spent 4 years on active duty (army). Been a reservist for almost 3 years now. Of the 7 years I've been in the military I've been deployed for a total of 51 months, 3 deployments. I just got back in December and now I have no tuition assistance. I'm 26 years old unemployed, have no real skill because the army doesn't certify you in anything. So wtf am I supposed to do go work at McDonald's and put myself through school. Finish my degree at 30 be in debt and still not be able to get a job because there are younger more qualified applicants…cut welfare don't cut benefits to the ones who did there time and earned there money. How would you like it if they cut your benefits
Pete,
Your sound as though the Military owes you the rest of your life.
Like a retirement check we didn't pay for right?
I have 29 years in and am on my way o the door. I find it best to invest in a young soldier. That may make them a lifer. It will definitely make him/her a greater asset to the military. I'm still getting my education and would take a hit by not receiving my benefit, but it would be a travesty to remove the benefit from this who need it the most.
So my husband should not be able to get TA until he is 36! Are you serious! No, they need to reinstate the TA! Our troops fight for our country, instead of making them upset and such, why don't we cut spending else where… Sell some stuff in the white house that is so not necessary…I don't know, but for our family having to foot the bill for schooling, which is another big reason he joined is rediculous! The GI loan from what I know also is not really accessible until he is done, and that will be in 20 so what do we do… Foot my school bill and his school bill… -_-
Good idea write your congressman and suggest cutting the F35 program and making the contractor fix all the F22 they sold us .
i went to 4 yrs of college at my own expense and started a masters degree via tuition assitance.i was grateful for it but still paid a hefty balance out of pocket due to elevated school tuition rates and books. with manning shortages, family obligations and other complexities, it has not been possible for me to complete more than 2 courses.the feds want to save face by having the dod act to cut the TA privilege, then act as though they're the superhero that will save the day at the last minute? WTF, i dont get it.its comedy in washington as usual. hate to cut to you all but a college degree is nothing more than a "coupon"…it has value for functioning job market but americas job market, with its toxic corporations and money guzzling ceos that farm off jobs to china & india when employing american citizens gets "too expensive", has been dysfunctional for a very long time.no professor will willing ever confess but college education has little value in this day and age. getting a preffered job in the civilian world is like getting a preferred job in the military, you need to KNOW somebody to get your ft in the door and work the good ol' boy club.once you're in, you learn to do what you need by on the job training, not from a college textbook.that'll be the case until the company's ceo and stakeholders make a bad investment decision leading to your layoff and that of the majority of the company to "bandage" their damage done.welcome your new american dream.
A college education is very important. It helps a person become well rounded, and disciplined. It takes determination and guts to strive for an education. Regardless of the national situation, people who choose to go to school, are not people who are just trying to get by in life…they want to be challenged and want their lives to have real meaning. For example, being a doctor….they want to learn how to help people etc…to say that a degree is just a coupon is really a false statement. Not everyone can obtain a degree, regardless of tuition assistance. It takes a person who is willing to dedicate/commit to higher learning. You of all people should know this, a Master's degree is no easy feat. The American dream, means "do the very best you can, and never give up on your dream". America may be going through a rough patch, but don't loose faith in your country, stand by it…encourage people to make every attempt to educate themselves…last I looked the library is still open…eventually TA will be turned on …and all the personal study time will pay off….and regardless, you will be stronger minded.
The military used to do that as well. No we are to nice to everyone. College means you ENDURED 4 years sitting there listening to some overated college career person spew information from years past. Then you get that degree and get a job at 9 bucks an hour and scream bloody murder.
Sorry you paid so much and did not benefit from TA during your early times in college. Don't slam the folks for depending on the TA its a benefit and whether you are a lifer or one termer, you should receive that benefit.
mooch
Coward
see the budgets for the general's wives and jacey eckhart events on spouse buzz live throughout europe and us — not being cut or even cut back. disgraceful
Tard
Funny how the government can find money for Lord Obama's 40 car motorcade to drive to a hamburger stand and a dog food store. He promised fundamental change and you got it. Compromise with the leader of Americas socialist movement? H*LL NO!
A socialist wouldn't take a 40 car motorcade anywhere. You may not like the man, but a socialist he is not. Let's keep political terms clear.
It's funny how congress and DOD want to keep cutting benefits ,I believe everything join the service and travel to other countries and see how they live , then they'll how important how our military is , to be well educated and to be technically advanced, we to give all the aid we can to fellow veterans
armyguy,
"It's funny how congress and DOD want to keep cutting benefits"
I'm retired, so what other benefits has DOD cut?????
we can't pay our soldiers for education, but we lower admission below in state level for illegal immigrants and let's don't forget the dream act!!!!! Obama is pushing the school issue all over the place, as always a lot of B>>>>>S.
Let's see, if every senator and congressman, would have to come up with three placec to cut, restructure, eliminate wast and abuse, starting from the white house down, then we would not need this sequestration. That would mean the President would have to do his job!!!!
Open your mind, Congress has forced this.
The White House wants all citizens to feel pain so that the president can defeat the Republicans. I could point out cuts that would equal 10 times what cutting TA will save and do so in such a way that soldiers would not suffer, readiness would not be affected, safety would not be affected, and hardly anyone would notice. Let's fact it, DOD wastes plenty. But almost ALL of it is waste that is forced on them by Congress in order to save pork projects in home districts. Suspending TA just shows how lowdown some people are.
President already DEFEATED the Republicans. TWICE. The pain your feeling is self inflicted.
Well maybe the military may decide to cut back on the funding on the F-35's, spending 400 billion on not even 3000 aircraft. But oh no, that money has allready been decided where to go , no sir ,can't touch it. 400billion dollars, that sure would have helped alot of soldiers TA.
I am a Mom of an 18 year old son who will be joining the Marine reserves. He will go to boot camp this coming fall. I am still in the learning process here and have a lot of questions. Can someone explain to me the difference between this "tuition assistance" that is being suspended, and the GI bill? It is my understanding that my son's financial help with college was going to come from the MSR GI bill (Montgomery Selective Reserve GI bill). Thank you.
Tina,
Don't let any of this confuse you. Your son is guaranteed the GI Bill by law. This Tuition Assistance Program was just a nicety that's been around since the 40's.
Oh that's really good to know Charles, thank you!
Evenning ma'am. I'm a recruiter and the GI bill won't kick in for your son for a while. They usually have to be in the service for at least two years before they can start using the GI Bill. Best thing is to check with the education office.
SSgt R,
36 months in service = 100% of the GI Bill.
http://gibill.va.gov/documents/pamphlets/ch33_pam…
Thank you, we will!
this means you should have saved some money for your son instead of taxpayers supporting his education as well as his salary. Disgraceful parents who support their children in dangerous careers instead of putting down the booze and foregoing the smokes and saving
Yup it's official, Charles incognito….lmao
Wow, what a purely ignorant statement when you know nothing about me. A real shame that my son, along with our amazing men and women who serve in our military, protect and serve idiots like you.
Tuition Assistance (TA) is another education benefit totally separate from the GI Bill. I used TA to complete my undergrad degree. I paid nothing out of pocked and saved my GI Bill for grad school because it is much more expensive. TA pays $4500 per fiscal year. It's a huge benefit.
Thank you Gail
Ma'am, There is a difference between the Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB-AD) for active duty members and the Montgomery GI Bill (MGIB-RS) for reserves. There is a difference in eligibility, benefit amount and participation for the AD vs. the RS program. In general, your son would not be able to use TA and the MGIB at the same time, just one or the other for the same time frame. There were a lot of advantages to using TA first, then moving to MGIB. I recommend that you and/or your son do some independent research. The Department of Veteran Affairs is a good start, as well as the USMC's website. Suggest that your son then talk with his unit's Education Services Officer for more specifics on the variety of program available that may fit his individual circumstances.
Thank you Mike, that is great information!
The two are seperate and the GI Bills will not be affected by the cutting of TA. TA is seperate where a soldier can take classes while serving without touching their GI Bill benefits. I was Army, but the benefits are very similar through out the services.
I am an active duty Army soldier. I was hurt in Iraq. I’ve broken my back twice. I am being medically discharged. I never really hot around to take classes. Thats my own fault. But taking away tuition assistance for soldiers to go to school is absolutely absurd. Yet illegal immigrants get funding so they can go to school. That is bullshit. Why would our government do that to us? After all we have sacrificed. .. I have lost faith
your choice to join. who's paying your medical — us. who's paying you're disability — us. who was paying your salary us — THE TAXPAYERS get a job that has withholding you mooch and pay some.
Mo, US includes US. WE pay, just as you do. Now let's include your injuries on the same argument??….what's that? You don't have any? Welfare? You and I paying for that?
When my family and I have injuries, I have always paid for my own medical insurance and 401K for myself and my family. I worked over thirty years in a real job and paid for my own education as well as my family, My taxes paid for the pathetic individuals like yourselves who are serving their own egos in other countries so they can suck up my earnings to procure free medical, education and non contributing pensions and whine like babies. My father and uncles defending freedom — you defend nothing.
NYC, lmao. Your welcome. :) so your father and uncles defended freedom? What's your excuse for not enlisting for a fake job defending nothing?
Since you are from NYC I should just assume you are an asshole and let it go at that but I cannot. Men and women in the military work hours your whiney ass would never work, there is no overtime pay in the service, no days off when underway, Service people routinely work only half days, thats 12 hours everyday!They get to fight in crap hole countries surrounded by locals who hate them, they get to miss all the things pukes like you take for granted. If it were not for people in the service doing there duties for the last couple of hundred years you would not have the freedoms that you are too lame to be thankful for. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE, IT IS PAID FOR WITH THE BLOOD VETERANS!
58bushido,
LMAO.
lol 12 hours huh i remember being released early one time it was a 12 hr day. Wife thought i was a burgalar. good times. i hardly know what to do with myself now working a 9 to 5.
OOH-RAH!!!!!!!!
MILITARY PERSONEL PAY TAXES AS WELL JUST SO YOU KNOW
NOT OVERSEAS IN A WAR ZONE THEY DONT> STP YELLIN
So AAAALLLL of the other taxes stop because we are in a war zone? Wow I guess I am due ALOT of money back then from my deployments and the taxes I continued paying. Thanks I am going to check into that.
idmedic,
LMAO, I doubt you are due a dime.
http://www.military.com/money/personal-finance/ta…
Lmao, and your right. Did your other taxes stop while deployed? Last I checked my pay was tax free while deployed, not the multitude of other taxes I paid back home
idmedic,
Oh, so basically you just wanted someone to respond too you!
As for a multidude of other taxes, yea, right.
No it was a joke, Charles. You didn't need to respond. Tax free pay, does not mean TAX free everything was my point.
idmedic,
Who in the hell was talking about Tax Free everything. Damn, you just make chit up as you do, don't you!
He stated we don't pay taxes while deployed. Lmao, I am only the messenger Charles.
You dropped the ball on this one Charles, as official fact checker I expected more, but thanks for the link! Lmao
jonathan,
DOD has nothing to do with states giving tuition assistance to illegals.
I definetly agree with you, you soldiers are out the defending your country and this is what you get in return.. You are correct illegal immigrants get a hell of a lot more than the average american. Im so sorry that our world the US has come to this you people deserve more..
Good point, why are we giving benefits to someone who is not making the sacrifice of a service member. If it is a loan that is one thing. But our nation is giving a free education to many people who are not making any sacrifices for our nation. Free education enables them to excel in the civilian market past our service members when they get out. Our service members and any government worker for that matter (such as police and fire men/women) deserve the oppertunity of higher education due to their sacrifices to our country and communities.
Amen Brother.
I agree. An immigrant can come from another country and never work here but can apply for Welfare and Benefits. Then, they can set up businesses and not pay taxes. If they would have them live like Americans that would mean everyone pay taxes, there would be plenty of money without cutting our Military Benefits which is why we do what we do!
Great! I always noticed how colleges raised costs everytime tuition assistance increased. Now lets see if the same holds true in the other direction. Its just another example why government aid is not always a good thing. Maybe college costs will get down closer to a level where those paying their own way can afford it.
what happens if you enroled before march 12th???
So the military does not get tuition assistance any longer, but via the dream act illegal aliens get cheaper rates thansome American citizens. And BHO is sending millions to Syrian rebels…who are working with Al Qaeda. Shame on us for letting this happen
anya,
The Dream Act was never passed. Where do you people come up with this stuff????? Just more misinformation.
One of my sons is active Army presently serving in Afghanistan and part of his enlistment contract was TA benefits. Does this mean the DoD will not be honoring a legal contract?
It is suspended not gone. Make sure you read or hear everything first, suspended for this fiscal year.. Not gone
Karen,
Is not in any contract, that is misinformation!
Lets all join the navy
this is a good program must have for future ed and all
I think the thought of ending the Tuition Assistance program is about as foolish a move that the Goverment could make at this time. Yes. the budget is in trouble, but there must be some "briidges to nowhere' that can be eliminated if the BUDGET INSPECTORS, or whatever they are called ,looked closely enough. The morale of the men and women now putting their lives in harms way deserve treatment. Plus studies show that the GI Bill after WW 2 show how high a return the nation gotfor its bucks.
To all you haters, I would love to write how much I think you all are idiots but I got some home work to do. I have maxed out my TA for 3 years in a row and hope to do it for as long as I can.
Kyle, I want to thank you for welcoming us to the real world. If you are receiving "TA" due to military duty, it is because you are/have been a G.I. That means Government Issue. That means paid by working Americans' tax dollars. That means our hard earned income is allowing you to call everyone on this thread "idiots". Bless your heart for such a self centered ego.
and him raising his right hand to defend you is allowing you to sound like an old jackass. funny how its a revolving circle aint it?
Stop milking it & get a job like an adult!
I’ve only read a couple post an what I ask all this but we have money to send Syrian rebels 60 million in food and aid
Exactly, but the government can't spend the money for our soldiers who fight everyday for us to go to school, and have a home…. I guess thats not important to them!!!
If find this stupid… if you are going to do TA year after year and out of know where stop the TA……. Then why start it in the first place. Now all of these soldiers are being effected by it and the Army, Marines, and the Coast Guards aren't going to give a care! Just because the governments budget is being effected doesn't mean its our problem, if they needed to save the money then they shouldnt have started the whole program for the tuition. Maybe the government shouldnt be spending so much money on stupid shit. Obama should be spending this money on stuff thats important. I am one that wanted to join the Army… some what for the tuition, but mostly because i would like to serve for my country. But i guess worrying about college is more important now, more then it was before!!!!!!
TA cuts are unacceptable. Please take a moment to sign the following White House petition:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/not-use…
We only have until April 7th to get 100,000 signatures! This can be done!! We cannot allow these cuts to take place. Twitter this & Re-tweet all tweets! Also, Facebook is a good place to circulate this petition. People will sign IF they know! I can be followed & re-tweeted on Twitter: @owenscomp
Suggestions for Twitter #hash tags are welcomed!
MOST IMPORTANT: Thank you, each & everyone of you, for your service!!!
I think the above comment about the congress loosing some of its benefits is intresting . I don't know if their benfits or future benefits were impacted by the sequester? I hope in goodfaith it was on the table. I don't think the congresssional, millionaire's club would be impacted in any significant way , regardless, but the jester would be honorable and certianly appropriate. Does anyone have that answer?
There was no prethought to the sequester, no surgical excisions , just blunt extractions. I believe congress will ultimately make the corrective appropriations, they like their jobs, and the american population like the american soldiers. Denying benefits is tantamount to a breach in contract. It won't go well for them. Future recruits are the ones at risk.
My response was in reference to your last words Charles. AF guys?
Why not suggest to our leaders in Washington that we cut a percentage out of ALL tuition assistance – that includes the pell grant, tuition assistance for federal employees, and all scholarships and grants. Why not? Florida was forced to reduce (i.e. cut by a percentage) their Bright Futures scholarship, but by doing so, they were able to avoid cutting it entirely. We can suggest/demand reasonable budget decisions from this administration. I know that some items are exempt…but everything else (including all college funding programs) should be cut by a percentage. THAT would minimize the negative impact and most people wouldn't care.
May I ask a stupid question? What is the difference between the GI Bill and Tuition Assistance?
So, putting your life on the line for your country means…squat? But sitting on the Senate or Congressional seat is worthy of LIFE TIME BENEFITS? The math is just WRONG!
A. Hartwig,
"But sitting on the Senate or Congressional seat is worthy of LIFE TIME BENEFITS?"
I see you've been reading those emails that say "read and then forward to everyone you know". Just to let you know, those emails that say that, are almost every single time not true. In this case, it isn't true.
Just a note, those in the Senate and House have the same Health Care and Retirement Benefits as all other Federal Workers. Below are some sources you may wish to take a look at.
Sources:
Health Benefits for Members of Congress
Ada S. Cornell
Information Research Specialist
May 3, 2012
http://waxman.house.gov/sites/waxman.house.gov/fi…
Retirement Benefits for Members of Congress
Katelin P. Isaacs
Analyst in Income Security
November 30, 2012
http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs-publish.cfm?…
There is alot of soldiers who do not use TA. The government should create a system where if you do not apply for TA within a certain amount of time then you cannot recieve TA till the next fiscal year. Soldiers who actually use the TA will not be affected and soldiers who do not use TA is helping the cuts…..
Wow!!! Stuff just keeps getting worse for us servicemembers. Tutition Assistance – GONE! And yet, the USFSPA still allows civilian courts, lawyers and cheating ex-wife's to steal our money. Plus to top it all off…..spouses (MyCAA) still get to keep using their TA! Stupid country! 20 years of service for NOTHING!!!
As an active duty navy wife who also works full time in programs that serve the military and their families, I can tell you this is a very low blow. My husband uses his TA to go to school online full time at OU AND still earned #1 EP at his command this year. We pay out of our pocket for books and what TA does not cover because you DO have to have some sort of degree or certificate when you leave the military if you want a good job. The GI Bill is built for FT students who are out of the military, and reduces the amount of money available much quicker for part time students. We are saving it if should something happen that creates a situation in which he needs to finish up quickly. I would have cut the MyCAA benefit before TA. TA is used for both undergrad and grad degrees. MyCAA is used for certs and AS degrees for mobile careers for spouses. Someone needs to take a good hard look at if these certs and AS degrees are even being completed and/or used by spouses. Not all spouses have access to MyCAA, which makes it unfair.
If you don't want a generation of dependent veterans 30 years from now, you may want to reconsider cutting funding to these programs for AD service members. THEY deserve it. THEY fight. THEY protect your way of life, and for that as a spouse, I'd chunk MyCAA in the can. TA is a better investment and a more deserved benefit. I can say that because I AM a milspouse. Spouses have access to FAFSA and state grants and would probably go to school virtually free anyway. Think about that.
Facts guy lmao