According to the Associated Press, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) sent a letter to the bipartisan budget supercommittee in which he indicated he is open to cost-saving steps in military benefits.
The AP reports that McCain supports President Obama’s proposal to start charging older military retirees a $200 annual enrollment fee for TRICARE for Life. In addition, McCain urged the supercommittee to consider restricting working-age military retirees and their dependents from enrolling in TRICARE Prime. McCain pointed out that the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that such a move would save $111 billion over 10 years.
McCain also said he supports the administration’s proposal for a commission to review possible changes to the 20 year military retirement system and the current military pay and compensation model.
McCain is selling us out since this is his last term as is Coburn.
he need cut his own neck instead
HE NEEDS TO CUT HIS NECK AND HEAD ALSO
THEY ARE NOT THINKING
WE NEED OUR MONEY BACK AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF SAVING AND WORKING HARD FOR OUR NATION LOL
WE ARE GETTING OLD NOT YOUNG SO WE NEED A GOOD TREAT AFTER MANY YEARS OF WORKING HARD FOR THIS GOVERMENT LOL
Pretty soon they will want us to work for free! Due to the fact that it will save so much!
HE NEEDS TO CUT HIS NECK AND HEAD ALSO
THEY ARE NOT THINKING
WE NEED OUR MONEY BACK AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF SAVING AND WORKING HARD FOR OUR NATION LOL
WE ARE GETTING OLD NOT YOUNG SO WE NEED A GOOD TREAT AFTER MANY YEARS OF WORKING HARD FOR THIS GOVERMENT LOL
HE NEEDS TO CUT HIS NECK AND HEAD ALSO
THEY ARE NOT THINKING
WE NEED OUR MONEY BACK AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF SAVING AND WORKING HARD FOR OUR NATION LOL
WE ARE GETTING OLD NOT YOUNG SO WE NEED A GOOD TREAT AFTER MANY YEARS OF WORKING HARD FOR THIS GOVERMENT LOL
Didn't mention how much could be saved by by cutting CONGRESIONAL bbenefits!!
Why don't they cut the Illegals off of welfare, off of healthcare, make them pay taxes, quit forcing Spanish language on America.
THATS ONE OF THE SMARTEST REMARKS I’VE SEEN. NO CITIZENSHIP, NO BENEFITS, NO SOCIAL SECURITY, NO RETIREMENT, NO SCHOOLS..EITHER LIVE OFF YOUR 5.00 AN HOUR OR GET PAPERS. GOD ONLY KNOWS HOW MUCH THAT WOULD SAVE US
TOM you are so right I see it every day in arizona
Tom and Huck are both right. I see it every day in Indiana.
I wholehearted agree with soaringeagle and also jim
1. No illegal alien can collect welfare or healthcare benefits, other than emergency room treatment (which is the most expensive kind).
2. They already pay taxes, to include SS. They are forbidden by law from collection – so the excess money goes to the Government.
Amen to that! There is a lot of Congress who have never served in the military and could care less if you were being shot at while they stayed home by the pool! My husband is retired military and he needs his medical for things that happened in Viet Nam that have left him scarred forever.
I wish you had not said that, now MR. ODUMBO will make sure he cuts his medical as much as he can. Politicians could not care less about the men and women who fought and died so they could sit home by the pool in safety and kiss ass with their wealthy friends. Sorry to say it so strongly but that's the way i feel.
don’t be sorry Ronald, it is what it is. everyone here has a good point to bring to the table but those selfish greedy ******** will never allow that to happen to themselves.
Your right.. I have heard stories about how poorly he treats his lovely wife.. it if it true, what can you expect from him towards retired military.. sad..:-(
That is nothing new. McCain is not the only one. I believe that all politicians regardless of affiliation will always dip into our rights and benefits.. How about cutting their benefits and pensions?? Is anyone with me on this?
I think it is hight time and about time that "we the People should join hands and set aside our differences and focus on thing..THE SAVINGS OF OUR BENEFITS FOR ALL! Long live freedom and our pursuit of happiness….And, let's get the money completely out of POLITICS….Dump the lobbyists??
Start our own "tea party" and do it before it is too late.
Isn't that what the 99% protests are all about? We are tired of being down-trodden by the 1% that controls 40% of the money in this country. And the republican party has consistently stood in the way of any legislation that would touch the 1%. You have to ask yourself why? Believe me it isn't because they are the "job creators" unless you are talking about the jobs overseas? The rich have had a blast for the last 10 years being protected by the republicans and not paying their fair share of taxes.
Is this why the Oboma administration has been willing to pay two hundred eighty thousand dollars for each part time job? Oh yes! All the green jobs provided with our tax dollars that our President was insisting on funding with our tax dollars. This comes to the tune of 4.2 billion dollars. All those jobs are gone too. The companies took our money and promptly filed bankrupcy. Those part time jobs cost us eighty million dollars each. This President and his friends are not our friends, they are enemies, domestic. Review our oath of enlistment and vote accordingly.
I'm with you Gerry. We need to elect a complete new House and Senate. We need to elect a different president. On the State and local levels we need the same. All incumbents must go. VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
One company filed for bankruptcy-not companies. You make it sound like this was intentional. You have been listening only to fox (faux) news. Get me some REAL facts to back up your statements. Not the pablum fed stuff you get from faux news.
This whole crisis started when coporations bought the repubican party. Lock, stock and barrel.
I'm with 86th! You gotta STOP watching Fox News! Recognize that the "enemy" is the big corporations who we all have been the pawns fighting for their right to buy American elections and turn over everything we value over to the top 1%. Fox is there for the sole purpose of making you believe that the "enemy" is the one guy (the President) trying to pump the brakes on the complele corporate takeover. Once everything is gone, good luck trying to get anything back. Wise up and stop outsourcing thinking for yourself to Fox.
Let’s start saving by taking away Congress’ free Blue Cross and Blue Shield health coverage. Most of them never served in the military, but, yet they want to take away the benefits of those who earned them. While we’re at it, let’s decrease the pensions of Congressmen who only served one or two terms and then went on to become high-paid lobbyists.
Now there’s a thought! My husband is an honorably discharged ( medical) Marine. He gave an EYE in Vietnam and is a 2 time survivor (so far) of prostate cancer- a result of Agent Orange- as well as PTSD and other issues. in order to receive Tri-Care for Life, he has to pay for Medicare Part B- now they are going to charge $200 fee for TFL!!! There is strength in numbers- the military/retired military should join forces, like the groups which are spreading around the country to OCCUPY New York, Boston, etc. We should have one day where we demonstrate peacefully in front of all 50 State Houses, and Washington to get the message heard! Just a thought!
unfortunately the men and women that currently serve cannot protest or demonstrate, under the UCMJ
I'M holding your hand gerry, lets get the ball rolling. come on folks who will agree with gerry
I agree with you, like a lot others have said they all need to look at adjusting their salary and benefits at the same time they look at the military. You cannot trust a single person at our nations capital, they are all in it for their own personal power. It really stinks that they sale us out that way. Why do all our elected officials pay for their health care and adjust their retired pay.
Another socialist. No longer just the dems. We should stand up as veterans and remove any member of any house who would cut our benefits before they cut there own. I’m ashamed I voted for mccain
For as POW to do that to us is outrages!
he's already got his
I'm waiting for him to get his and it will be well deserved. He has forgotten where he came from(meaning a pow), and they(his ass kissers) call him a hero. The ones that died in Viet Nam are the heros.
This is McCain all right! He's married to a mazillionaire so what does he care about a new $200 dollar a year fee? When was the last time he ever set foot in a VA hospital after waiting 6 months for an appointment…..NEVER, I agree he's gone next year! I sure as hell won't vote for him.
What kind of benefits did he get when he was in the military, and after returning as a POW ? Not that he needed them with 5 houses and a rich wife. He has never cared about Vets. What would he have done to us as president ?
He would have bent u over the table without vasoline or the courtasy of a reach-around!
I don’t agree with reducing vet benefits. Iam a 100% disabled vet. However you cannot disrespect this mans service to our country. He was in a pow camp for 5 years, Since his father was the Admiralfor WesPac he was offered early release and he said he would wait his turn. Disagree with his politics but do not disparage his service to his country.
Flanagan, so what you are saying, just because he was a POW he now can do or,say anything? If anything he should be a voice for the vets. God knows that if there are any Americans that deserve an entitlement it US service men and women.
He should be looking at congress retirement and medical package. Leave those of us who earns our benefits with blood and sweat alone!
Retired USAF
Flanagan, so what you are saying, just because he was a POW he now can do or,say anything? If anything he should be a voice for the vets. God knows that if there are any Americans that deserve an entitlement it US service men and women.
He should be looking at congress retirement and medical package. Leave those of us who earns our benefits with blood and sweat alone!
Retired USAF
I'm sorry to disagree with you but but I have NO respect for this person at all. And as far as being offered a eary release- HE WAS NOT IN PRISON HE WAS IN A POW CAMP, HUGE DIFFERANCE– I have a BIG problem with that. He said he would wait his turn, B S , come on think about it. What, he sentened to three years in a pow camp?? They are in there for the duration. I don't know who you were talking to but somebody needs to get their facks right before they start talking.
So you’re saying, that despite the hardship this man showed in the field, the continued fortitude toward life & liberty, then to perpetuate that stick-tuitivness to finishing his enlistment/commission (sorry, I’m not interested in his complete military background given his political buffoonery) allots him him a right mandating that I’m to allow his current chain of domino decisions go without the proper amount of bellicose outrage?
Granted, I certainly won’t make light of his horrendous treatment or plight endured during that time. We have all certainly earned our stars & stripes. And it is the aforementioned that I feel I the most right to grievously & belligerently disagree with you.
Mr McCain obviously has ‘daddy’ issues that stemmed from whatever that whole endeavor was & I’m sure there were issues governing his actions that a parent involved in not only the upper echelon of command put I’m sure the political fluff of the time as well had its hands in the McCain till as well. That doesn’t mean he gets to take his revolver out and shoot the vets first & then himself as a last act of defiance.
Get help like the rest of us.
The one guy who I thought would stand fast for the Military has crumbled to the worst government the United States history. I am retired E-7 with 27 years.I was promised…… I have never been so ashamed of our country's government as I am today.no wonder the rest of the world is laughing. Until we the people can reorganize, we will continue to pay for Washington's greed and incompetence.
McCain is selling us out . It looks like he is joining the Anti Military Obama administration
That happen when you eat Vietnamese cockroaches
They keep saying that they want to change the military retirement system to be more like a corporate 401K system. Last time I looked, I didn't see anyone in a suit digging a fox hole to keep from getting shot and to sleep in. You cannot compare the two. If this thing passes, I expect to see many pissed off military personnel march on Washington to demand what has been promised to us. Shame on you McCain, with you stupid "Fight With Me Speech". No wonder you lost to a freakin' Community Organizer you fool.
Unfortunately he will be coming back here to Arizona – Wish he would stay away.. Of course we all probably know some officer who totaled his career with a boneheaded stunt. This is the first time I have seen a hero throw all he learned and believed in to the dogs. What a waste…. No Respect for that Captian – Never more
What did you expect. He is a libral Republican.
Liberal has nothing to do with it. The Republicans only care about the monied folks; millionaires over the working stiffs. The only reason they support the military is for the contracts that fill their rich friends pockets.
I totally agree wth you. Unless there is big money involved the Republicsns could careless. Money is all they want. Why do you think they don’t want the wealthy taxed at a higher rate. IRS because it affects their pockets. When the say not to tax the wealthy at a higher rate is because it will hurt all of is a bunch of CRAP. The wealth don’t create more jobs.
Not to mention a lair.
HA funny!
The government has all kinds of money to bail out not only our banks but most of Europe's as well, but when it comes down to the veterans who fought for this country they want to nickle and dime us. In the last three years my standard of living has gone south. Don't tax the big corporations who keep their profits off shore-Don't tax the millionaires, and McCain is right in with this group. What would you expect?
I can't agree with you more. This is McCain's sell-out of the United States Military! I can't believe he would do this! After all he went through while serving in Vietnam, and the damage done to him physically by the Vietnamese prison guards, it makes me wonder if that man has developed a serious mental illness!!! I used to admire his courage — now I lost any admiration/respect for him after selling us out (I'm a medically retired Vietnam vet). We all should send him an email or letter expressing our total disgust at his disregard for the military, past, present, and future!!! By the way, His medical coverage is totally free as a senator and he does receive a disability pension due to his service related disabilities. It just makes me SICK!
Tom, U.S. Navy, Retired
I served and almost lost my life for this country what they are doing in washington is horrible. So lets start taking from the military that defends this country and when the people start to revolt against the government and the military starts to take the sides of the people watch out. I hope i get to see it in my life time once my son is old enough and been raised. This next election is so important. The spending has got to stop we all need to do our part to get back on track that i get. But this problem is not our fault so why should we have to pay for it.. There are so many other options to save money. If you have been injuried or served your time and earned what you get that is one thing. If you are living off welfare and perfectly well off to work then get your butt out and do what you have to do to earn a buck and start fixing the system that way. To much welfare to many hand outs its a joke. Give give give take take take. How about work work work people are so freaking lazy today it makes me sick. They are also trying to cut back on 80 billion in benefits for compensation. This is just wrong WASHINGTON. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP.
think military needs go on strike i bet they will leave our benefits alone then we do not get paid enough as it is. We put our life online for this country and this what they do for us.
McCain's brain got fucked up when he was captured by the Viet Cong. That is why I did not vote for him as president. I retired from the service in 1974. To this day I do not understand how he got elected as a Senator. He tortured when he was caught.
Now Its the saying "I'M not FONDA of McCain and Jane and all others on his sinking Titanic!!!! Zman Blind Power
I'm not sure of what you just said. Repeat it in english?
What about the promise when veterans enlisted and were promised to be taken care of if they served our country. What a bunch of lies nothing has come to pass yet. My husband has been retired 15 years now and we are still paying for all e supposed free stuff. And now benefits being cut back. Give me a break. What was it all for? I don t see McCain asking veterans first what we think. Coward
I used to respect Sen John McCain. I too served 2 tours in Viet Nam, with out question. Now he wants to take away benefits that I earned serving this country in a time when I was needed. I spent nearly 25 years on Active Duty and the In-Active Reserves. I think Sen. McCain and those like him have gotten to old to think stright. You nevert hear them talking about cutting their benefits!!!!
Age has nothing to do with it. How many seniors lost everything when Wall Street screwed them out of their hard-earned savings? A lot of those seniors served their country as well. There are some well-heeled 30 and 40-somethings sitting on big wallets while they wheel and deal hedge funds and lobby for The Man. Is that straight thinking? If fate had dealt you another hand, how philanthropic would you be? (By the way, Teresa, I don’t recall the government promising me anything when I was sworn in). McCain didn’t sit in a s-hole in Nam planning to go into politics so he could beat up on his brothers-in-arms. But he does live in a corrupt culture, swimming with sharks and has become what he lives. Remember, it’s OUR government, WE voted for these guys, WE want OUR lobbyists to get US the big grants and contracts and we said nothing when they passed the laws and chose the Supreme Court justices who chose our moral compass. How many of you served, but never bothered to vote, or write a letter to your Congressman, or started a petition, or even read the Constitution? If you aren’t part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
You will not ever hear them talking about reducing their benefits, only ours. I think we should fire ALL politicians in this country and start over again, There has to be a common man or woman out there that cares about the people that put them in office and not afraid to show it. Until then we are screwed.
mccain, A BIG ZERO.
McCain has always sold use out. check is voting record on v.a. and military benefits. he has a rich wife to take care of him. so the only time you here him speak up for the military is at election time.
Here is a sell out who runs on his war record then screws us vets in the rear. We are watching your votes you so called veteran. While you sit on your fat retirement and 401k us vets struggle.
You have betraid us and do nor touch our benefits we worked so hard to get and what about the men and women who gave the ultimate sacfrifice. Shame in YOU John!
Delete Entitlement programs first by 03%, any and all other budgets cut 1% with one exception. congressional salary's froze for five years. Constitutional amendment as follows. All federal retirements cannot begin until age 55 for military, all other federal employees age 62. President and VP term of office one term six years, Senators one term six years, congressmen two terms 3 years each.
Jerry
That sounds smart. To bad that it will never fly. Career politicians couldn’t get another job. They don’t know how to work for a living and unemployment would skyrocket, all those politicians out of work.
WE think McCain is a traitor to the military cause. He should have to receive the same medical and pay as a retiree. We gave our time and life to the military as well as all of the others. What a turn coat McCain is.
This isn't the first time mc cain has tossed VETS under the buss. Check out what he did to the Nam P.O.W,s when he was the head of that commitiy.
IF ALL THE VETS, RETIRED MILITARY, ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY WOULD STICK TOGETHER COME ELECTION TIME WE COULD VOTE OUT ALL THESE POLITICIANS WHO ARE CHOPPING AT OUR BENEFITS. WE ALSO NEED TO REPLACE ALL OF THE SO-CALLED SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE SUPPOSEDLY LOOKING OUT FOR THE
VETS AND RETIRED, AND DISABLE VETS. THEY ARE NOT DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB. WE NEED SOMEONE ,LIKE A VETERAN,OR RETIREE
WHO HAS BEEN IN OUR SHOES AND CARES FOR HIS FELLOW VETS.
THINK ABOUT IT FELLOWS WE NEED SOMEONE TO HELP US.
RETIRED; It is very true.
Yes McCain is selling us out and what was it ab out four years ago he was tilling all of us veterans how much he was going to help the veteran back when he was running.
Remembering our leaders on election day…if it was up-to-me alone…I'll get you out McCain…Mr. Obama, You don't know what is like to be in the military. Election day is coming…Good luck!
Thats what you all get for trusting Repubs….they all are robbing America blind while we stand around and argue with each other…politicians and liars are synanomous…
My first word to McCain is to cut his benefits, start charging him double whatever he pays for his medical on retirement (if anything!) and see what he thinks then. He has been in the service and knows what these soldiers go through, what they are promised and yet he does or says this. We all know that if it starts at $200, it will only go up from there. I say throw everyone of them out!
McCain has always been two-faced so this is not a surprise, remember he is also a millionaire and does not need Tricare/Soc Sec/Medicare/Medicaid. I believe he and many of the Social Elite look down on everyone and consider them "Sheeple" . There is a moment in History happening around the world right now called "Protests" and it is the Human Nature in those that are out there that no amount of double talk from Politicians, or News Media or Wall Street and Banks can change. Those feelings being expressed belong the individual protesters.
McCain goes home at the end of the day. He has his congressional great salary plus excellent retirement benefits. Why not cut the retirement of our soldiers and those who have already served. The curent active duty personnel do not get ovettime, they are on duty 24/7/365, they are separated from their families for months resulting in broken families, children with one or no parent at home broken health, SO CUT THE BENEFITS OF BOTH THE ACTIVE MEMBERTS ANDF THE RETIRED PERSONNEL.
You are joking right?
McCain has always sold us out, even in vietnam he was not a hero, he helped the vietcong by making their propaganda films. he was a traitor and still is
I just cannot believe McCain would sell out his own. I will say it this way. these people continue to keep padding their pockets for themselves as well as their own families. I say enough is enough. Were the hell are the people in this country? They keep allowing these idiots to continue to take away from everyone but themselves. McCain your no different than female who stuck it to her own also. The name Fonda ring a bell.
Let me see. Enter Afghanistan to destroy the den of terrorism. Pull troops out of Afghanistan to invade Iraq which has WMD; or which we were told. Halibuton gets non-competitive contract for Iraq (let me see, wasn't Dick Cheney the former CEO of that company). Multiple deployments to Afghanistan and Iraq for troops. Financial and investment companies almost wreck the world economy, then get government bailouts that create huge bonuses for executives. The middle class wage has stagnated since the 1970s along with the burden of the military on the their backs. Let me see how many congressional children or grand children serve? Come to think of it how many Congress members are now veterans? Well we cannot make the upper class pay, after all, where would the politicians get their campaign donations from. So lets keep taking from the middle and the people who put their lives on the line so the rich job creators are not bothered. We all see how many jobs they are creating; veterans who fought and gave up their health are unable to find jobs after returning home. So why would expect John McCain, who recently tied up Congress to complain about Obama traveling around in a bus made in Canada, but outfitted in Tennessee knowing full well that when running for the Presidency his bus was made in Canada, protect Tricare or pensions.
Man, I could not agree more with almost all the comments. I am a retired Korea/Vietnam vet and like all vets, we and our loved ones do not deserve this slap in the face. The only jobs the GOOP (Grand Old Obstructionist Party)party have created are those of congresspersons in exchange for handouts, subsidies and tax loopholes for the so called “job Creators”. And since Reagan, they have been doing it on the backs of the unemployed, underemployed, laboring middleclass who’s sweat made them rich and in control of congress. We should all be out there with the 99%. What happened to Democratic Capitalism? Why are our men and women dying for American freedoms when government and society of USA is just more business as usual, not the tightening of belts or sacrifice in support of our foreign country building (think big oil) adventures while ours is fast sinking under the weight of congressional overspending . McCain and all like minded can go to ****!
I agree, but only if he takes ALL OF D.C. to hell with him. I wouldn't want him to get lonely. I believe no one in hell already would want anything to do with him. I will gladly hold the door open for them. I'll make sure the door does not hit them when i close and lock it.
I am totally disapointed in McCain, I worked directly for his father, and I can tell you his fathers views were totally different than his son. His father was a great American and a great admiral. But unfortunately his son is nothing but a liberal, I voted for McCain and Palin in the last election, if he were running today, I would not vote for him. I am happy I found out what he really supports. Himself only.
Hopefully, everyone who comments on mccains BS on this site will take the time to email him and let him know what we think-I did. Shame on him!
True brother. He should be shamed for his stance on Military benefits. He's a traitor to his brother and sister Military members.
We never learned from our mistakes, these are the same persons who promised the military and the rest of the people that they will be taken care off as soon as elected. But what happened next, they cut all of our benefits our pays and so on….and got what they have always wanted big SALARIES and BENEFITS.
I BELIEVE HIS TRUE COLORS HAS COME OUT THE CONGRESS NEEDS TO CUT THEIR ON IN HALF AND ONLY BE ELECTED TO TWO FOUR YEAR TERMS AND NO RETIREMENT.
All the elected officals do is try to screw the people who vote them into office. The military has earned the right to the health care. It is bad enough that most of government officals never served in the military. They are good at sending our kids to war, why did they not serve? FOR ONCE, LEAVE THE MILITARY BENIFITS THE WAY THEY ARE. If you want to save money, take a cut in pay instead of voting to give yourselves raises.
WHEN LAW MAKERS START PAYING INTO sOCIAL sECURITY AND PAY FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE, THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL THERE BE ANYTHING AS FAIR PLAY.
CAN EVERYONE SEE IT YET? OUR MILITARY IS SPREAD SO THIN, OUR FORCES ARE TIRED. WHERE IS THE INCENTIVE TO SERVE ANYMORE. I CAN SEE UNCLE SAM INSTITUTING A DRAFT IN THE FUTURE. WHEN THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS SEE WHAT OUR GOV'T HAS DONE TO PAY TRIBUTE TO IT'S VETERANS, THEY WILL SEE THE LACK OF INCENTIVE TO SERVE. ON THE BACKS OF OUR NATIONS VETERANS IS VERY SAD FOR ALL OF US…
McCain may be ret mil, but he is a traitor to his fellow retirees, he does not need TriCare or any other bennies from the military, he's suckin it up from the congress's welfare pot., and his millionaire spouse.
When you have money and are born with a silver spoon in your mouth you don't really need the benefits. Had the traitor been some poor Joe in the Hanoi Hilton and suffered illnesses, or injuries where he depends on a benefit then his story would be different. I didn' t vote for him or O. I am not a proffet, but I saw this coming.
Shame on him. He ought to know better than that. How quickly we forget.
I agree ith you soaringeagle. Senator McCain has forgotten where he came from. He retired as a Navy Captain. He gets a good pension. It is easy for him to pay more. I will say one thing he did earn Captain. I will not take that away from him.
I have lost any and all respect for this senile old fool. he will continue to draw his va,his mil benifits his congressional helth benifits and yet it is fine for him to suggest cutting those of us he served with.. You have a very short memory senator!!!!!
Dear Honorable Navy retiree McCain,
After you have drawn your benefits and married into money, lost your bid to the White House, it is only reasonable to expect shit out of a tired old washed up fart as yourself. FO forever.
It is a shame…I paid the premiums on this over my entire career. Lived by their rules and served faithfully. Being 'sold-out' as a political tactic is just not right. OK for Sen McCain, hefty benefits from USN O-6 retirement, hefty US Senator salary (for life) and benefits, spouse with incredible wealth. Guess he just doesn't get it. The rest of us are just not rolling in dough.
I Agree, and I can't believe he's being a traitor to us disabled veterans too, that are using Tricare for life, that we earned the hard way.
McCAIN is like ALL the politicians in D.C., A LAIR, A FAKE AND A THIEF. When I say a thief I mean they take a payheck they do not earn. To me , taking something that is not yours is stealing, and that makes them a thief.
Copy of email sent to McCain's offical email address;
I can forgive anything you may have said or done in the past in Congress, but to go along with the Socialist, aka Progressives, on the changes to our retirement and healthcare is one more time of turning on your brothers in arms probably to further line your pockets like so many in Congress and will be seen as unforgivable. This is why the People have so little respect for you people in Congress.
I did my 20 years and feel betrayed as do others. Check out this link. I have done my part by forwarding this to everyone in my email account.
Why don't they cut the benefits of Congress and all their Staff?
Until Sen McCain and the rest of Congress start to make cuts to their own heafty benefits, they need to keep their hands off of ours.
I agree. We need term limits (2) in one or one in each and the Congress needs to have their retirement/ healthcare system revised so it is not collectable until age 65 like social security.
Yes, we do need term limits, but that does nothing to stop this particular situation . We all know that if it goes into effect, it will never go away!
I agree one thousand percent. Sen McCain has enough money he does not need his retirement or benefits that the rest of us need to live and have health care.
Absolutely! Why is it they cry foul when someone even mentions touching their benefits, but ours are all fair game?! What a crock!
I also agree. with your statement.
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i need peeps like u 2 + blogs. Totally agree as well as defund NATO and UN before they even think about disrespecting us. Hey Washington you're welcome
C Ski
100% service connected disdabled veteran
Roger that.
Sen McCain and his peers should start with their benefits.
Yes I agree don't mess with ours till you cut your own!
Amen
Thats a Big Amen
Sen McCain is a Three time draft dodger he shouldn't be able to have a say on this subject.
I have a good idea lets cut his pay and see who will cry their eyes out
I thought he was a POW?
Draft dodger? He was a Vietnam POW; wheere do you get your information.
He thinks like a draft dodger!
I agree 100% PJ! This was a promise and commitment the country made to use when we joined the military services and it does not bode well for a countrythat weasles out of its commitments…especially to it's own military members!
Mark
you're absolutely right, when my husband joined the Air Force he was promised life long medical care for him and his spouse (as long as we are married). He signed on the dotted line and kept his commitment for 25 years and little by little the government is picking away at our benefits..SHAME on Sen McCain and SHAME on Washington!
Totally agree with that. Why did we serve 20+ years and then get stiffed, when they get BETTER medical and don't even have to rissk theeir lives!
I agree with you however, cuts from their staff would help alsoand I also agree with all the comments on this subject
I agree with you, our wonderful government can have unjustified benefits just for being in a office type of possession and there familes as well, bt us as veterans get the shaft, I am a disabled retired Iraq Vet and frankly I thinks it's total BS that we continually get knocked down.
And also another note is I don't think that our President should be allowed to be Commander and Cheif if your not a Veteran, I think its a disrespectful act for a service member to have to salute the President if he has never served. Politics need to get the hell out of our Military.
This is so true. If you have never served, you don't deserve to be saluted!
@ OIF, I agree with you 100% . How can someone that has never fought for their country be in charge of actively serving military men and women..It should not be!!!
He has a rich wife. He does not need his retirement or pay as a congressman
Senator not Congressman! Get it right.
AMEN TO THAT!!!!
I agree that those in office give themselves hefty raises but ignore the fact that there have been no COLA raises the last two years for military and social security retirees. Those in office need to tie their own raises to the COLA also.
And this is what we get for him being a POW. God Bless America he did not get the chance to run the United States of America. He does not know which side of his bread is buttered._
Excuse my language but how in the hell can you cut a measly 10% and I can't get whats coming to me on my heart problems . He makes more in one hour than I make all month, Lets strip him him down to his scivies and see how he likes getting the SHi%$#@&^ end of the deal.
that is so true
I agree He is just selling out the vets.
A POW selling out his own. Time for him to retire!
He sold out his fellow servicemen when he was a POW so why should he stop now.
Amen, it's time for the lawmakers to take the cuts in their health insurance and other government benefits.
AMEN! If anyone should take a cut it's the politicians! One term in office gets them lifetime benefits and pensions! I don't hear them saying they will take a cut in pay or benefits. McCain is sleeping with the enemy!
Not surprised. For being a vet and POW, he sure does not act like one. What an a$$.
He just doesn't get it, as a VET like the rest of us he should know not to mess with the benefits. I guess all that time in the BIG HOUSE on the hill has really gone to his head. We all put our rear on the line for God and country. VOTE FOR YOUR OWN CUTS IF YOU HAVE THE GUTS AND LEAVE OURS ALONE.
Right on! Hands off ours until you end your benefits — Glad McCain is leaving — he knows his time is over. Lousy Senator!!!!!!!!!
I completely agree but until the majority of our representatives actually put on the uniform/fight that mile in our shoes they'll continue to have no real clue.
Core Values, do our representatives have any?
*Integrity? NO!
*Service Before Self? NOT!
*Excellence? Surely you must be joking!
Retired, Gulf War/OEF,OIF,OND Veteran
I agree. The first cuts should be in Congress!!!
McCain and the rest of congress need to trim there retirement from a million dollars to thirty thousand a year and take away there tri care and see if they want to be away from there family . They need to stop voting in a pay raise every six months of 20% because they don.t need it they military does.
As a thirty year Air Force veeran it is a shame that the Obama and congress tax plan that was supposed to reduce our benefiet is costing myself and My wife (retired civil service) $60.00 additional taxes each month. That's $120 from a limited household income. I guess they needed money to fund thier pay raises. I think it is time we all clean house in DC– starting from the top down.
@ pjmarshake: My sentiments exactly!!! Who are they to sell us out? How many of them have put their lives on the line for our country? Congress wants a pay raise because they feel that they don't get paid enough for what they do, what about us? We have to fight tooth and nail for what little benefits we're able to get, after having to jump through hoops to get them. About him urging the supercommittee to restrict working-age military retirees & their dependents from enrolling in TRICARE and agreeing to charge our older military retirees $200 enrollment fee in TRICARE for life, he's an arrogant SOB. Shame on him!!!
Amen
Exactly! I wonder how much these reps and senators in Congress pay for their health insurance? Maybe Uncle Sam pays all for them. I am sure that they are well taken care of. I am a veteran and have not signed up for Tricare For Life, but am doing so starting in 1 Jan 12. Now, I am not so sure if I will seeing that an annual enrolllment fee might be tagged on.
If they want to save money? Their is not one Senator worth a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year. This is a joke, Let them work for minimum wage like I did for twenty one years in the Navy. I earned every damn penny I get and no elected official should be allowed to take it away. If they are worry about fiscal responsibility let them make cut's somewhere else!
Amen! I just do not understand how a former Naval aviator/POW/veteran can come up with this stuff. Most of us other veterans/retirees do not have the financial prowess (Mrs McCain's business income) nor the HUGE benefit package from federal service (his). I am not bemoaning his service and the benefits it has bestowed. I AM saying that like other veterans, he should retire NOW, leave our simple benefits alone and go enjoy his!
Amen! Let them try to live on OUR retirement! Why is it that they receive full pay for the rest of their lives, along with free healthcare, while we receive a pittance after serving 20 years! Until this inequity is resolved, we are going to continue to have issues in our country. They can't be leaders until they have walked in our shoes for awhile. Let them live on our military pay!!! And let them have to deal with Tricare! Although it will never happen, it's fun to think about it!!!!
Yea they need to cut their pay making 770 thousand a year that would save some money and make them do their job!
I agree!!
Don't cut benifits on the little guy who protects your way of life and the freedom you have. For God sakes we sacrifice our lives for the elected officials that sit in their nice luxury home and office while the veterns suffer from the injuries and can't make ends meet for their famliy!!
WHERE THE HELL IS THE BRAINS ON THE ELECTED OFFICIALS????
SO SICK OF THEM CUTTING EVERYTHING FROM THE ONES THAT SACRIFICE EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If I had more than half a dozen homes and a millionaire wife, I would not dpend on Tricare either. McCain forgot what it means to not have enough.
I agree it's time that the senate and congressman start looking at the pay they receive when they retire.
My first thought exactly
Just the way I think, From the president to the congress they need to pay for their insurance themselves and take cuts in their pay and reitrements and see if they can make it.
I agree. All Congress can talk about is cutting everyone's benefits except theirs. It gets more frustrating every day. None of them ever had to put in 20+ years to get all their benefits.
I agree. Senator McCain you are a Veteran. Why are you not supporting us combat Vets anymore?When was the last time you took a stroll and dropped a twenty dollar bill in a veherans cup. Surely you know where they are. In case you don't ,take a walk near Capitol Hill.Cuts due to budget problems? Why don't you donate some of your money to defer expenses and urge your White House Buds to do the same. Sorry. Guuess you don't know how to give back.
RIGHT ON !!! Just because Sen. McCain's wife is worth millions and he doesn't need Tricare due to a better health plan as senator is not reason for him to reduce or alter the retirement benefits of those of us who served & failed to marry financially well. 33 years served and promises of retirement money with a COLA and Tricare for Life with low deductibles for myself and family. Now, since congress has spent money from every pot they have—-where money was paid in with the promise of it being there in our years of retirement and the very country we willingly fought and many died for;
turns its back on us. We are starting the slide, just like social security and medicare—-we all paid in for this too and congress stole money from all these pots. Do you suppose if their departments that spent 1.5 million for refreshments for 8 meetings out of the year stopped this kind of spending we could save money? Just imagine, couple kinds of coffee, juice, muffins, maybe some fruit costing 1.5 million. Folks, we have a problem.
Yes, I agree!!!! Congress and Sen McCain need to cut their own benefits. They need to having the same benefits as retirees and military veterans have now.
I AGREE 100%
I definitely agree. Have you seen what their benefits are? More than likely not. CHECK THEM OUT!
OUR MILITARY BENEFITS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM… THEY HAVE TO HAVE THIER OWN! WHY? ARE THEY BETTER THAN THOSE THEY SEND INTO HARMS WAY? EVIDENTLY THEY THINK THEY ARE!
When I was a commander and as I was being taugh to be a commander, the 1st rule was don't ask or tell you soldiers to do something you have not, would not, and have or not done! This goes one more step… aside from the pay differences… my benefits were the same as a PVT.
So…. may the "FLY" Party marching on/against Wall Street have something going for them and we need to think about doing the same. That is we need to rally and consider "Marching on Washington" to demand they leave our benefits alone and change theirs 1st!
I recommend and hope that all that read this fire off their letters of concer to all their elected officials to get the ball rolling. Or… we will get what we deserve for doing nothing!
you are right when the president and congress start to cut there pay then we could talk, but they are crazy for even bringing this up. they keep this up and they will n ot be able to get anyone into the military
He of all people should not institute tghis policy. Clinton gave us that benefit to make up for the promises of past administrations which were never given to veterans and it is a benefit that should be honored for those sserved and defended this country's freedom.
I totally agree with you on this. Once Congress personnel retire they get to keep their full pay and benefits. No one is saying cut their retiree pay. No one is looking at the fact that military retirees are living off only 40 to 50 percent of their pay. They need to stop this and put themselves our the military retiree shoes.
Cuts to earned health and retirement benefits should not be made.
Furthermore, Congress should adjust all military retired pay including military personnel's Social Security since the 1980's based on actual inflation rather than the phony CPI. Failure to do so constitutes leaving in place the equivalent of significant unfair tax increases. ~ richard allbritton, Miami
Wow, I lost 13 Great Men/Marines overseas many years ago. I was with my unit a tour and was due to come home. It saddens me to hear this. McCain must have forgotten his military time and President Obama i voted for as a veteran who was promised positive change. Why? Can anyone tell me Why? Haven't we given what our country has asked of us? So Tired.
We all have to remember that Obama did not give any specifics on what kind of change he wanted. We now know he wants America to become divided so we can fall. REMEMBER "United we Stand, divided we fall'
We have to spread the word and vote all these kiss ups out of office. Hang in there "disabled Veteran" because the fights not over yet!
It looks more to me that its McCain and the Republicans that are dividing this country. They are against anything Obama tries to do—just for the sake of opposing him. And they are putting out a lof of propaganda to try to defeat him. That's the only goal they have. They care only for themselves and their own paychecks–nothing for the rest of us.
I thank you for your service and honor those Marines that were lost.
Every President and every Congress since the mid 1980’s has participated in what has in effect been a special tax on military retirees. The tax has only gotten bigger with time. For example, if you retired after about 1986, because of the phony CPI, your purchasing power has steadily eroded because the CPI purposely and significantly underestimates inflation. In effect, it is like a special tax increase on military personnel. I seriously doubt that President Obama is even aware of this, but Senator McCain, as well as any long-time serving member of the Senate and House, knows.
This is not the first time an Administration or a Congress has pursued policy adverse to the interest of the men and women serving in the military, while declaring their heartfelt support.
If you want to address this issue, the place to direct your attention is your Senators and Congressperson. I have already written to mine.
Looking back in history, there have been many Presidents and Congresses that have done their duty by the men and women of the military. Unfortunately, beginning in 2007, we have experienced the worst financial disaster in history. Congress is deadlocked in partisan bickering. It will be very easy for individual members of Congress not to do their duty when it comes to military compensation and benefits. Again, emails, letters, and phone calls make a difference.
It sounds like you are not military related. I have served in the military for 24 years. I am not too happy that I and all the other military retirees are losing our benefits. I am on a fixed income and live pay check to pay check.
Also they are talking up a new "chained index". That will not bode well for any working class or retired American. Senator MCcain just proved the point that all factions in congress are cut out of the same cloth. Next year and beyond it would behoove everyone to grow their own vittles and go BIG.
Amazing as Michelle Obama is going to the Worlds Series along with Biden to pay tribute to our troops as they CUT AND GUT the military. Look, this is a Panetta/Obama move to make the cuts…McCain should never support it but the blame belongs with OBAMA AND PANETTA
Katie, Every President and every Congress since the mid 1980’s has participated in what has in effect been a special tax on military retirees. The tax has only gotten bigger with time. For example, if you retired after about 1986, because of the phony CPI, your purchasing power has steadily eroded because the CPI purposely and significantly underestimates inflation. In effect, it is like a special tax increase on military personnel. I seriously doubt that President Obama is even aware of this, but Senator McCain, as well as any long-time serving member of the Senate and House, knows.
This is not the first time an Administration or a Congress has pursued policy adverse to the interest of the men and women serving in the military, while declaring their heartfelt support.
If you want to address this issue, the place to direct your attention is your Senators and Congressperson. I have already written to mine.
VERY TRUE
I agree, McCain and all of Congress have their own Insurance programs. Some of our old retirees cannot afford to pay any money these fees. As it is now they have changed things around so people on SSN and retirement benefits haven't received any raises for two years
Thank you Walter for your response.
The same Richard Allbritton I sailed with back on DISCO in '71-'72?
I am that same Richard Allbritton. Unfortunately, we cannot leave phone numbers or email addresses here. However, I'm in Miami and you can easily find my contact information.
I wonder if he would have recommended a reduction of Military benifits when he was a POW.
I think NOT
Maybe that would have been a good time to cut back the military.
Hey, senator! That cut should be aimed at O-6s and above, not the lower grades. Put in that stipulation and I could support the plan.
As a retired AF E-7 I could not support the reduction of any of our members regardless of rank. Cannot let it get started.
When McCain & all other members of congress adjust their incomes and health benefits equal to us retirees then and only then can we have an honest discussion about what is to be increased or further cut.
I cannot disagree.
Amen Clean your own house first Mc Cain. Always thought you cared aboutn the Military. What changed?
He's been sitting fat on the government hog for too many years.
I absolutely agree that congress needs to overhaul
Their benefits before they start messing in the benefits
Of those that have served their country faithfully.. We
Are the ones that have time and time again left our loved
Ones to defend this country…
you know it is ashame mccain is giving up on the retirees no why dont he give up his pay and his benefits…i have been fighting for 13 years to get my dic from my husband who died ..and he was in vietnam and in blue water they tell me just hold on well i am 61 they have put me off long enough now want to charge me 200 for tricare life were am i going to get it …give me my husbands retireement check and i can pay for it…he retired after 30 years
i AGREE 1000% Brother.
if any cuts are to be done let them START IN CONGRESS WITH THEIR PAY AND RETIREMENT WHICH THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO ANY WAY and put their ass's on SOCIAL SECURITY like the rest of us.
Semper Fi.
jim.
McCain and his wife are worth over $136 Million. Do you think he gives a crap about his salary or more about his political influence to further Hensley & Co or Koch Industries.
most of the politians should give at least 30%. they want cut our benifits ,well what about cutting them, we keep getting cut and the keep getting raises.
Yes!
I'm in total aggrement
I agree 100% instead of taking away from many to save their own asses. Let the people decide on what benefits they will all get. Jackass's like Charlie Rangle should get nothing. Why hasnt anyone brought up he hasnt paid his taxes and why is he still in congress? McCain has sold out the military. Yes he was a POW and yes he served his country but it seems he serves himself more than anything
The Congress will never have an honest discussion about pay and entitlements if it requires them to reveal what theirs are. They will continue to rape the military so long as the voters allow it.
It isn't so much their incomesand health benefits WHILE serving in congress that I am opposed as it is the pension and benefits they receive upon leaving office. EVEN IF THEY ARE VOTED OUT! No one should receive the compensation these so called patriots receive for a part time job. They receive more after serving 8 years in congress than I receive after 20+ years in the military. And they think military retirees are the problem? And McCain of all people. But then again, he is already set for life between his military pension as a Vietnam POW AND his pension from congress, so why should he care? Congress needs to take a long hard look in the mirror to see where the real problem lies.
Instead of cutting the "promised" benefits to those who fight and die for our country. How about we make the top 1% sacrifice like the other 99% of us do?
We could easily have them pay their fair share without it even coming remotely close to affecting their standard of living, and use all that extra money to pay our troops, and give them the right benefits and healthcare that they so rightly deserve. Cutting these things shouldn't even be an option. IF we absolutely need to cut anything, make it be one of these many weapons programs.
You do know that the "top 1%" already pay 50% of the taxes correct? The answer is to make the bottom 47% pay something
Stop drinking the Fat Cats’ Kool-Aid. I can’t necessarily agree that they pay 50% off the taxes, just because they say so and you swallow their propaganda. What is much more certain is that the top 20% control as much of the national income as the rest of us combined, and they seem to never have enough. What is also certain is that the wealthy have been relentlessly pushing for the ENTIRE tax burden to be shifted to wage and salary earners (which most of them are not, and if they are, they and their bought-and-paid-for congressmen -and women- will find ways to make their income totally tax-exempt). That’s the REAL “class warfare” that has been going on in this country for the last 30 years. As Warren Buffet has said many times, the wealthy are winning the class war–big time!
Ex-Navy, think of it this way, you have to raise funds, does it make sense to take 35-40% of the money from 100 people, or 20% from 100,000? Why do you have to pay twice the percentage because you are successful?
Well ken, think of it this way, about, let's call it half of the people do not earn enough to currently pay taxes. This means that society has determined that there earnings are not sufficient to allow them to pay taxes and have the minimums we as a society consider acceptable for a decent quality of life.
Let's ignore the cheats and other ner-do-wells, there has and always will be fraud, corruption and deciet.
The top wealthy folks are able to have that wealth because of the society they live in. The same society those who have the means to do so could put out a bit more to help support.
I won't go into the need for tax reform, etc but I would like to make note that the wealthy have their wealth from the sweat on my brow just as much as from any wise actions on thier part. I just want a fair cut of the wealth created from my labors.
None of this has naught to do with the topic though.
What we have here is the proposal that retirees take a bit more burden on themselves, seems not only health care but retirement pay. I'd oppose any attempt to mess with the retirement pay. They'd just dump it into a 401k type scheme. Didn't pay out to well during the latest Wall Street fiasco.
Oh, by the by, retired Army here, VA bnenefits as well as TRICARE for Life.
TRICARE hasn't had a rate hike in like never. So, I guess it would be 'fair', yup in quotes, to tie fee increases to pay increases. CPI rates or whatever new and exciting method they devise. But if my base pay goes up 2%, then so should my TRICARE fees. If my pay stays the same during a given year, then no increase in my fees.
Absolutely Frost…I am tired of "fair" being you don't have skin in the game unless you have gotten off your butt and done something with your life.
Us hard working Americans, do all the work and get paid little to nothing, these CEO's have done nothing, but collect the checks for the work we did.
That's fair tho right? Let the hard working American struggle to keep their home, and feed their family. (Which goes for the troops aswell). But let the CEO's who go around the world in their private jets play golf, and get waited on in one of their 30 mansions. And then they lecture us on the news on how we need to "sacrifice more". Where's their sacrifice?
"Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies". – Thomas Jefferson
Exactly
Exactly… Why tax more those that went out and built a business, making their money honestly, BUT not tax those that didn't or those that continue to reap benefits they have earned. I have no problem with some one going out starting a good honest business, making good money and living like it. What I do have a problem with is when they haven't earn an honest dollar in their lives… Look at what portion of the budget true social programs eats up. We pay for people that have never worked an honest day in their lives to live better than some Vets do. THAT is an entitlement program. The other entitlement program is the politicians. Just giving us our SS back and no longer taking it out would make a huge difference to many people's lives.
80+% of the income pays 50% of the taxes….Thank you. You've made our point
Ditto
Just wondering what their "fair share" is in your eyes – 40%, 50%, 60%?
Percentage wise, we get taxed more then they do if you look at how much money we have, and how much the government takes.
And then the 1% loves to hide their money in different countries. So instead of reinvesting all that money into the country that allowed them to collect that much in the first place, they keep it in foreign banks, collecting dust. Glad they care soo much about our country.
And I love how they call themselves the "job creators". But who are they creating jobs for? It obviously isn't for Americans. Oh yea, it's for the Chinese. Glad they selling our country out to make a profit. (As if they even need more money)
The top 1% has been paying over 60% of the tax to support you libs. I call that more than their share.
I'd love to know where people keep getting these hugely inflated (and inaccurate) numbers from.
And I'm not a liberal.. I actually support our military (and country).
Just cuz someon's liberal doesn't mean they ain't patriotic, damn, political parties do not have a monopoly on patriotism.
and here, 2002 tax by status, http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/…
and for the wealth distributation I like this one. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec1…
So, it kinda runs like this, if you have X% of the wealth, then you should shoulder X% of the burden
IN MY HUMBLE OPIN, NO ONE SHOULD GET MEDICAID UNTIL EVERY MILITARY MBR HAS TOP NOTCH HEALTH CARE. THE MILITARY COMES FIRST IN MY MIND VS SOME WELFARE TYPES THAT MAY WORK AND EARN THE MINIMUM TO STAY JUST UNDER THE RADAR SO THEY CAN COLLECT MEDICAID BENNIES. MILITARY FIRST, THEY EARNED IT, THE MEDICAID DERELICTS ARE BOTTOM FEEDERS WHO DID NOTHING TO EARN A BENEFIT, EXCEPT REMAIN, UNDER EDUCATED AND PRODUCE MUCHO WELFARE TYPE PRODIGY.
Well, with out screaming, every member of the military deserves the best health care, as do our veterans regardless of injury or illness concurrent with service. The VA should open to all retirees and their families as well as currently serving. Non-service connected vets and thier families should be allowed a buy in health plan.
ok, I'm a socialist but it burns my buns to see those who served this country struggling just because they or a family member got sick or injured.
Are you advocating socialism? Veterans served and fought to defend and protect our Constitution. No where in this sacred document does it mention the right of the government to take someone else's money and redistribute it elsewhere, even if it is to help those who sacrificed so much.
it's nice to see how the Republicans choose the millionaires over the troops. It sure doesn't come as any surprise. The support the military only because the contract fill their millionaire buddies pockets.
Way to buy into the ignorant class warfare. The many comments about the benefits that Congressmen receive are much more relevant to this situation. It is a FACT that the military is a Constitutionally appropriate activity for the Federal Government. It is also a fact that, including the "two unfunded wars" military spending is at historically low levels as a percent of GDP, the only meaningful measurement. If we hope to continue to field a sufficient military with volunteers, we better not start cutting the pay and benefits; especially when over 50% of the federal budget is spent on extra-Constitutional areas.
OK let me guess, Nope I won't. Because I know.
47 percent to do not pay federal taxes. 1% paying their suposed fair share world not cover anything. So lets steal from the rich that make over 250.000 $. about 10% of the top. It still does not cover anything. The rest off us WILL pay taxes. How do I know this, Well there was a a credit to my bank account from retired pay. $15.00 an $ 1.50 in taxes out of for the IRS.
You need to understandd that those figures re from the Georg Soris/Obama crowed. Lets just deal with facts, not fiction
I don't think that will ever happen due to someone (maybe congress or associates) getting heavy pockets. Congress should look at what they waste and set the example by cutting back first.
Top 1% PAY 40%. How much is their "fair share". Divide and conquer. That is the plan and it looks as if you bought into it. You need to look at what the Laffer curve says. I think if we raise the rates, we will get less revenue. I pay 52% of my next dollar as a adjunct faculty member when you take into account Social Security and state taxes. How much more do you want me to pay? I guess you want me to pay 100%. Areyou sure you are not a member of Obama's staff?
What is the "fair share" for the top 1% who pay 30% of all taxes paid?
Is there a "fair share" for the almost 50% of the country that pay not income tax? They use a lot of benefits, but pay nothing. What is their "fair share"?
McCain, does not need VA or military benifits, so of course he does not care about us. He doesn't even know how much his homes are worth not home, homes.
Dont take from the miltary at all. Take it from welfare!
99% do not contribute. Only 53% of top earners pay. The other 47% just take.
CUT military tri-care while increasing post 911- BENIFIT? This I do not understand? Med-care for government official is the best in the US, why is this not being cut????????
My husband and I gave 20 plus years to the military. How many people in the house and Senate can say the same. Ignorance is what is leading our country on how to deal with active duty and veterans. They need to know that we are always the first ones in for a battle, and you never show up!! I also feel that a person running for office should not be allowed to spend on ads more than what that office will pay them per year. I remember my recruiter telling me that if I stayed and retire, that I would never have to worry about medical care again. I guess this is another thing that he lied about!!
THIS IS VERY SAD BATTLE, CONGRESS NEEDS TO MAKE OTHER CHANGES OTHER THAN MESSING WITH THE MILITARY…
ditto,ditto
Yeah, I was told the same thing. I remember sitting in the Whitehall street military induction center in NYC. Right before we were sworn in a chief addressed us. He told us that three percent of you will retire form the navy and those who do will never have to worry about medical for themselves and their family. This was April 1964
I was told the say thing in Aug 1974 when I was signing up for the delayed enlistment program. In Aug 1994 a few months I was having to brief a retired MSgt that he was going to have to pay for his health care in the future. I was a Medical Administrative Spec at the time. It was a very hard pill to take because I was about to retire and was heart broken having to tell him. I know we as retirees, we are blessed with the amount we have to pay, compared to others that are struggling with having to pay for insurance. The problem is that we were told we would not have to pay anything for the rest of our lives if we stayed in. I stayed in not only for the benefits but to do my duty and did it with pride. I fulfilled my obligation, what about our government do the same.
Congress is filled with cowards and draft-dodgers anxious to get us into wars to enrich their defense contractor contributors. They should be the first to go into combat as well as have their ill-gotten benefits trimmed to the bone. We have all been had!
I agree totally. My husband spent 23 years in the service. Why are the cutters in DC doing anything about their horribles expenses and med plans as well as full retirement benefits after only one term in any office. Their employess get the same.
They did tell a lot of lies. We see now that most what they said was a lie..
It won't be a lie unless we allow it to become a lie. We need to fight for our rights and benefits we earned. McCain was born with a silver spoon i his mouth and was a lousy pilot (he crashed 3 planes-lets take it out of his pay), husband and politician.
agreed those fat cats on the hill keep getting fatter while we vets slowly end up in the poor house and before you know it with no medical or benefits at all.
The greedy SOB's should start with their own wallets
How is this an issue of your recruiter lying to you about benefits? You said you served 20 right? Well how in the hell did your recruiter 20 years ago know what would be happening today. For serving 20 years you sure are stuck on stoopid.
I enlisted in the Air Force in July of 1951. I was told by my recruiter that if I remained in service 20 years and retired with an honorable discharge, I would receive a lifetime of FREE medical care. I spent the last two years on my military service making the same promise to the enlistees I recruited. I had all the promises outlined in directives published by the US Government. It was only after I retired that I learned that the government lied to us. I trusted our government at that time!!! I have very little faith in those running our government now!
Your recruiter didn't lie to you. He/She believed what the government told them they could promise.
You shouldn't blame military recruiters, unit NCO's and officers for lying to the troops that served 20+ years about military health benefits that were promised to them. Many of those who made the promise have been betrayed just as much as those that they encouraged to Re-up. We all believed we could trust our government, and we were all wrong. Nothing has changed where trust is concerned in Washington.
Sister another lie told by those great liers. (Politians) If we could only have a goverment truly for the people and the country, then and only then would we not need all these different parties.
i was a Army Recruiter for 11 years. Promising free medical and dental was one of the benefits that i presented numerous times. I did not realize that this was a lie until i was separating from the army. This had been one of my reasons for wanting to retire from the military. This administration has done enough to erode our military yet they continue to prove that they can do more!
The recruiter didn't lie, congress did!
My husband and I gave our youth for this country . How many men would like to give up the ability to have normal bodily functions at age 24? Not to mention to give up a normal married life!!! My husband was awarded compensation for his injuries…. how dare our President or anyone else consider reducing his compensation or all other disabled veterans.
the recruiter way back then could only tell you what it was then. Times are changin. I remember in the mid 90's about the high 3 retirement, and just found out then there was a high 1 passed years before that…………didn't even know the knuckle heads passed that.
Dear Capitol Hill Personnel you draw wonderful pay checks monthly and you financial future appears very bright for you and your college kids. Some of you have never seen an accident nor experienced combat. You are reaping rewards that you actually don't deserve. When was the last time you say a homless person and asked them if they served their country and after receiving a positive reply such as "Yes I have" did you put a $100.00 bill in their cup or invite them to your luxurious home(s) for a cup of coffee? Don't think so!!! Sorry if your ego affects your being embarrassed to be seen with a person who made it possible for you to live comfortably while he risks their lives on our dangerous streets. Enjoy your wonderful holiday meals while our veterans eat what they can afford. I hope you choke on every piece you attempt to swollow!!!I
I could not agree with you more, I am a veteran of 20 years in the USN and I am apalled at the rate in which the cowardly politicians are taking away our benefits. And at the risk of sounding unpatriotic(however I am)I actively talk young people out of joining the military because of all the things us reitrees go through and how much we have to fight to keep the very same benefits that we were promised. I came in in 1977 and was also told that my medical would be taken care of the rest of my life if I did 20 years-Well that is the gov't for you-remember you can always trust the government-Just ask any native American.
Any and all cuts to retired military pay and benefits should be tied directly to cuts in our government officials pay and benefits. We were promised healthcare for life. Now they are talking about paying $200 per year for Tricare for life. Restructuring retirement pay. Restricting working age tricare benefits. Let them restructure their retirement also. Serve 20 years in government before they are eligable. Pay for their medical benefit when they leave. Also, earn their leave like the rest of us. Military 30 days per year or civil serivce 4,6 or 8 hours every 2 weeks depending on how long they serve. Forget about the summer, fall, Christmas and, spring break. We pay them to work for us, not to be on vacation as much as they are
Amen to that! Often times we sit back and allow for our congress and other political genre's tell society what should and should not be done to better improve our economy. Well, as it stands, who are they to make any type of decision that will have a major impact on benefits received by those who have served a good majority of their young years to serve our country. Bullshit! In my opinion, if our government can continue to spend unnecessary dollars trying to improve the quality of life for other countries, perhaps they should consider using those tax dollars as a means to cut cost and not bother with the benefits of those who have served our country and have sacrificed so much for us.
I am speaking as a wife of a retired military member. Yes, my husband served in three wars during his 22 years of service and has medical issues that I, as his wife, have to attend to. This is absolutely ridiculous and this topic should not have made it for discussion in the white house. How about cutting the salary and benefits of congress after they've served their terms in office. Oh, yes, let's talk about how these people still receive healthy benefits far after they've served in office. Our problem is, we need to revisit our constitution and make SOME SERIOUS CHANGES. Take more from the wealthy and leave the poor and middle class ALONE!
AKing, GA
Amen, my husband served 20 years and recently passed away from lung cancer due to Agent Orange exposure in Vietnam. I'm having a battle with the VA to get his benefits which they told him he wasn't eligible for. We filed a month before he passed away after he was told he was. Now they want to make us pay for Tri-care, I already have to pay $150 deductible up front and 20-25% of all the medical bills I incur. I have one way to cut the budget, ground Air Force One, Marine One and the support staff and equipment that goes with them and allow only one trip every other month. Does anyone have an idea of how much money has been spent on traveling by Mr. Obama in the last 3 years?
Right on!!! As a military wife of a 24-yr retired veteran, you are so right!
Amen to that !!!!!!! How does a Congressman rate retirement and other "PERKS" after only a few years of service?
I agree with everything being said, but understand that congress and the senate are subject to the same retirement system as all federal employees. This changed several years ago. I think McCain is tricking the administration. There are too many military organizations that will slam any proposals to modify the current retirement system.
You are correct the US Government are Liars. We gave our lives our time to defend America from Communism and this is what we get., " VAIN PROMISES FILLED WITH LIES." Now we are old and need medical care and we are being Denied the promiseds that was made to when we enlisted to serve this country. John mcCain has never been for the Veterans and to the best of my knowledge has never supported anything for Veterans. It's a shame that he was continually elected to cut our throats. The politicians need to take cuts and give up their lavious medical care, retirement benefits and take cuts on their salary like we have to do.
And we all know that it starts at $200, but the next year it will be $300 & then up from there-then we will be paying over $1000/yr for a Supplemental Policy that was NEVER going to cost the veteran a dime!
Those who work in government are no better than those bankers who give themselves millions in bonuses every chance they get. Those of us who served in the military and the elderly who depends on their Social Security should never be in fear of our benefits being tampered with at any time, and if this is what Obama's proposing, he most assuredly will not get my vote.
I agree. They have no idea what a member of the military and thier family go through to serve this great country. My family and I served over 20 years and are proud to have served. Retired USAF
Back in 1984 when I joined, I was told healthcare would be free if I stuck it out for 20 years also. I've been paying $460.00 a year, and it just went up to $500.00 a year next enrollment. I'll trade you enrollment fees, or would you prefer they triple my fee so yours can still be free? I'll trade you my right leg for your right leg also. Mine is made out of carbon fiber and titanium. Good deal.
The problem is not that they take vacation but that they return.
For those of us seriously concerned for the national security and the current "ship of state" so off course, it is devastating to recognize that the values served so long by so many has seemed to fade with time. Hprouty makes reference to $200 … only? That is what we see today, and the GOP chieftans are leading the rout. It is unlikely that $200 is more than "chump change" for Senator McCain, given his personal wealth and that of his spouse. Almost as if he doesn't appreciate the challenge for everyone else, those caught in the economic tsunami. It is likely that many of the Veterans are within the assembled 1,000 people sleeping out overnight to vie for medical and dental care at such a "medical center" in the streets of Los Angeles. $200 a food budget?
Class warfare emerges in punitive perceptions of proposed revisions of Cost of Living Allowances, the "chain" garbage presumes that as "costs" increase, beneficiaries of EARNED ENTITLEMENTS can "eat cake." Consider people that UNION DUES are funding political action; 2.5 Million federal employees more likely to die than be fired or laid off, regular raises.
Time for political banter has closed in with leadership qualities for candidates for election to the Presidency of this nation with the level of intelligence, integrity and ethical pursuit essential to our standing throughout the world, and critically management of our national security not in sight. At this historical junction where respect of the long honed wisdom and seasoned experience of the military leadership and that of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is critical; to wit, the Libya adventure?
McCain has forgotten where he came from and who put him where he is. It is time for him to resign. He no longer represents the wishes of those who elected him. This is just another example of the Federal Government deciding that they will cut true entitlements, that were promised to those who served, so that they can continue to give more benefits to those who have done nothing but suck on the government teat pleading poverty after a life of doing nothing. Apparently McCain favors this course of action. He cheapens himself disgracefully.
Hi Charles, I have to take an exception to entitlements, maybe I have a different view of the benefits the retired military have but we earned what we have, not by falling into a category that gives people things they didnt' earn, but by the sacrifices we made in our prime years of life.
McCain needs to go, on that point we fully agree. It's a case of "he got his" and doesn't give a rip about the rest of us.
He has always been with the democrats on every issue.
I agree. Furthermore, Senator Levin, democrat, who has supported military retirees in the past , seems to have joined McCain. Shame on them. I read in the paper that their rational for the tricare for life annual $200 charge to the over 65 retirees is due to increase in military medical costs. HEY STUPID READ THE PAPER. WE HAVE BEEN AT WAR IN AFGANISTAN. INSTEAD OF GRIPING ABOUT INCREASED MILITARY MEDICAL COSTS, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME
My take is the proposed cuts will slightly offset the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and or subsidies for the oil and gas industry. And there are many other handout programs that are receiving enourmous bundles of our tax dollars.
Why is it that some people gripe about abolishing benefits to the needy. Why, because they are a very easy target, with no mouthpiece to plead their case. Wake up people and start smelling the foul aroma of what is being shoveled in your direction.
Stop with the democrap taking points. 50% of the people in America do not pay any income tax at all. The top 1% pay 40% of the taxes. As for the "subsidies" for oil companies you are really talking about their abiltity ro write off costs against income…something EVERY business gets to do. Obama attacks those with private jets yet he never mentions how much the DoD is forced to spend on their "private jets" abused by government officials and their families (I have several friends who flew DV support missions and took a lot of Congressmen and Senators to prime vacation spots for their "fact finding" missions).
50% of us are POOR – on the poverty line or treading water to stay inches above it! If you friends flew missions which were suspect to fraud waste and abuse they and you had your chance to report that. BUT YOU DIDNT apparrently. Hardly any of this GWB sickening residue is Obama's fault, it's mostly raw AMERICAN GREED!! The oil companies RULE! That's where the Bush family made most of their money – GWB made his FIRST $11-MILLION in oil. I just wanna know why Honda made the CRX in 1985 that got 52, YES 52 MILES PER GALLON yet today's hybrids are struggling for 40!!! And let's not forget that in the mid-90's the Air Force for sure was looking into building compressed natural gas stations to support a fleeet of base assigned vehicles. Now it's news on tv that the gas companies are back to promoting it as an alternative fuel for civilian vehicles. The oil companies have all the top dogs in their pound and ostracize those who don't wnna play by thier rules. McCain is a DIRTY WORD to me and I have lost any respect for him I managed to eak out at all. Palin?????? Ha ha!!!!!!
Jack
McCain should give up all his VA and retirement Benf. I feel that all of those in the Govement That Did Not Service in the Military. Should be Kicked out of office after with only half of the pay as well as half of there Med
I thank this is a kick in the but by John McCain.
McCain can't even remember how many houses he owns. But you can be sure he won't cut any of his military or senate retirement pay.
McShame was never about the avg Joe. he wanted to run for any ofc and never do anything else. all he has ever done is to wave the red white and blue til we were all blue in the face. his most important decision was selecting that lame brain Palin—and you think that was good judgment?? say what??!! he has millions and he did not remember how many homes he had in the last pres election. McShame is for McCain, end of story.
Seems to me his time as a POW are long forgotten. I'm not 100 percent disabled like he is by virtue of his time as a POW so I don't even have dental care when I need it the most. BUT I do remember my recruiter and subsequent reenlistment advisors telling me that not only me, but my family had free health & dental. McCain & comany took that away. We should take his dental and skin cancer treatment away and everyone else who craps on our support when they needed us! I have an easy one that will pay for Vets: DO NOT PAY Social Security to those who are already millionaires or receive sufficient income to suppport their luxurious lifestyles and other wise don't need that pitennce except to pad their bank accounts in foreign countries & investments no less!
This needs to be sent directly to McCain, then ask him to resign and get in the rear of the 9.2 % with no benefits afforded or brought with him! Please send this to him.
You can grouse all you want in this forum; but, the only solution is for the voters to take these guys out of office and demand a referendum to adjust Congressional pay and benefits.
I Voted for McCain thinking he would be a good Pres, esp.with his military exp.
On other issues he has disappointed me. I gave 20 years for our country and
was promised health ins. McCain should withdraw his support for this action. Our government is no longer for the people, but it seems to be against
the people. Let's VOTE all the lyers out of office.
He grew up as the son of a USN Flag Officer. Had full College ride @ USNA, military flight training. Was a warrior just like us…did he forget. He has always been on the silver end of the spoon. Yes I acknowledge his time as a POW. He should not sell us out. I am shocked at these reports of his alleged support pf these cuts. I was a doc with the 173d Abn in the Central highlands.
The retirees are always first to get cuts. I agree that they could start with cuts of their own benefits and retirement package. We were told when in active duty that it wasn't retirement, bu deferred compenstion. Now our retirement is said to be a not earned benefit, even though it has been promised to us. THe same with medicar care. In the 60s/70s we were told if we stayed to retirement, we would never have to pay a dime for medical care for us and our family. NOw they charge annual premiums and want to raise those. I understand that those who have not serve don't understand the rigors of military service and that there are getting to be more and more of those in congress and the white house each election time. But for one who served and was promised the same, it is unthinkable that McCain would leave his comrads behind like this. I guess he has his through congressional service. Oh well, more of the same – we shouldn't be so surprised.
Thoroughly Agree- Make all who wish to serve in the House or Congress or run for office do a 3-4 stint in the Military.
Your right on target. I am elated that McCain (wife is a billionaire or multi millionaire) was not elected President. Shame on him being a military member for a number of years. Shame, shame, hurting or trying to make lifr so hard to survive, especially TFL retirees.
Why would I expect anything less from McCain? He is but one of many ex
POW,s and now he turns tail on the vets. He is violating the very sacred rule of all: "NEVER LEAVE ONE OF YOUR OWN BEHIND".
Retired military Vietnam vet!
Do not vote for anyone for any office if he or she has not served in the military.
Ron Paul served in the military.
looks like there trying to give the military the shaft again My husband spent 22 years in the army and died from agent orange on july 24 2010. I was thnkful for the benifit tricare for life I only live and can't afford to pay for benefits that was promised to all military people
looks like there trying to give the military the shaft again My husband spent 22 years in the army and died from agent orange on july 24 2010. I was thnkful for the benifit tricare for life I only live on social security andcan't afford to pay for benefits that was promised to all military people
My deepest sympathy for your loss, it is never easy and there is always an empty spot in the heart. I have had cancer caused by Agent Orange and I understand.
You say you are living on Social Security only, have you talked to the Disabled American Veterans abut what you might be eligible for from the VA? There are benefits that you may qualify for and the DAV is the best place to start. VA Councilors are not the best sources for benefits, they might miss one or two.
I don't know why McCain's asshole actions surprise anyone. He tried to foist that lamebrain from Alaska on America just to win an election. He no longer cares for anyone but himself. He has forgotten us veterans because he has great healthcare and retirement. So screw us.
I wewnt volunteer to the army. I spent 18 nonth n Vietnam and after35 year
I work at private industry as a manufacturing manager.but since 2000 I could not not work due to varius complication from Agent Orange and now
Mr.Mc Cain that he is a looser and allways will be a looser. Since he was a prisioner of war he was lucky because after he was lock at Hanoi Hilton he did no has to be in war . I now understand why he can become Presiden of The United State. of America. he does not have the capacity,personality and a Moron, I feel shame that Mc Cain is a Vietnam Veteran.
Put down the bottle man.
I understand that Mr. McCain did the samething to his follow POW's. Sentor McCain is a disgrace to the uniform he wore and He should never again refer to himself as a Memeber of the Armed Forces Military Retired.
Im a Viet nam Vet i spent 2 1/2 yrs there where the hell were they.yhey were giving themselveves rasies and better benefits. Maybe we need a Military run govt. Who will cut there benefits for a change. Bob
Bob Byrne
My husband was in VIETNAM, so was my 2 brothers, my husband was in the Navy 20 yrs and died last year, he rotted away like a dead animal out in the woods, I am trying to get my NEHMER befits but I guess that will be another fight. HEY MR. McCAIN send me some of your money, I can not make it on the little bit you send me,
I agree with my fellow Vietnam Vet. I think it's interesting that all this is happening at a time our generation is looking for the same promised benefits that were so generously given to WWll vets. For some reason I've never trusted McCain…now I know why. I'm sure before he leaves his comfortable congressional seat, he'll reveal more reasons why.
If the government continues in its efforts to destroy the volunteer military, they will have to rely on the draft for any military at all. Good luck with that!
If they draft the first on the list should be the congressional relatives. Let their sons, daughters, grandchildern, neices and nephews. How quick would they be to go to war–cut benefits and walk away from veterans needs. I am not a retiree but I know the toll 20 or more years in the service takes on service men and women. Any time spent in the service is the highest form of public service. Isn't that what the pol's always brag about–their public service.
by then the USA will be a communist country so it wont matter
They should have never ended the draft
All I have to say is WAKE FELLOW military members! Fight back on this injustice against us! Let us run for congress and the senate.. oh we do not have corporate backing
Many of the Senators are out of touch with the military. We are such a small minority collecting a retirement check. All of us retirees have given this country 20 years or more of service. I depend on my Tri-care. It makes me furious when millions of so called Americans can receive welfare and other benefits without doing nothing but sitting on their butts. They continue to have kids they cannot afford and the government gives them more money, unbelievable!
Michael,
Should I say high five to your comment? Our country is so ass backwards when it comes to making the correct decisions for the best interest of our country. We're so far behind in education, we're standing in front of scrutiny, we're not far off from cutting off our financial interest with our allies and we still have not begin to explain to citizens why we are continue to slip on a downward spiral (recession); yet, we are continuing to focus our primary issues on helping other countries get out of debt or revive their countries.
I so agree with you Michael…..and on top of all the freebies….now they get "FREE" cell phones and minutes. Go figure!!!!!!
I agree, the Senators and Congressman need to take cuts in their pay & retirement pay. They should also have to serve 20 yrs + to receive retirement pay. McCain have you lost your mind?
"McCain have you lost your mind?"
Yes he has, years ago.
I agree that the military should take care of its retirees. I do have a little say so about the welfare. I did 4 years of active duty. Was married to an active duty Sailor and then we divorced. I turned down my rights to everything that that point so he could take care of his children. I am unable to work due to a disability and because my Ex who recently retired has CUT my child support with no court order, simply because he is choosing NOT to work after retirement, I am required to go and get on welfare. Kudos to those of you that continue to work after retirement.
Was married to the active duty Sailor for 13 years
From a Viet Nam Vet Retired MSG – All retirees stayed in the military not only for the love of our country and a career to serve but, also for the promise our country would assist our lives when our active service ended. I was retired in 1988 and was subject to recall to AD in the first Gulf War – My
benefits were earned by deidicating 2o years of my life (and my family's) to service of our country. I kept my promise, now it's time for the government to keep theirs.
i definitely concur with you on this mike!
McCain is a RINO just as well all have known for years. He threw the election to Obama and is now throwing military retirees under the Obama bus. Shame on him.
What makes it the Obama bus? Obama has said nothing about penalizing the military for anything. It is obvious to any objective observer that cuts must be made. I suggest they might want to stop building those Christmas tree weapons systems that become obsolete before ever being used.
You are correcg to bad the vets could not see this prior to the lase election.Jim Alberts
I voted for Barack and will vote for him again, Semper Fi he is not the prob its the greedy repubs who only care about greenbacks not green fatigues.
You are a dumb ass
your obumble is why we were not given COLA for the last 2 years, and it looks like we won't be getting it again this year, now he is trying to cut other benefits, people like you are the problem
It's not Obama's fault. Everything he tries to do gets shot down by the Republicans and people like McCain. Obama is FOR us poor folks. It's the Republicans who are messing us over. Some people need to stop listening to the propaganda!!!
I will vote for him too. Name calling by the republicans just shows you they do not have anything to bring to the table to help bring back our country's economy. Saying "NO" does not represent a jobs plan.
Obama is a bigger friend to vets than McCain ever was. All McCain and his Republicon friends know is obstructionism. They would rather see Obama fail than the country succeed.
I agree, but also he is getting ready to retire so he has his and is not worried about anybody else. I quess he forgot who got him out of that war camp? I am sorry he done it all by himself!!!!! McCain needs to remember when all this debt started? Was not 3 years ago!!!!
Military retirees should NOT be thrown under the Obama bus! When Congress starts getting the same cuts to balance the budget and the
top 1% get cut, maybe we'll have a balanced budget. Congress should
be the first to contribute some of their salaries and benefits – NOT the
military – they fought for our freedom!!!!!
I believe you've been listening to Rush Limbaugh's propaganda. Obama isn't trying to take anything away from the military. That would be the Republicans!!!
It is time to make a simple statement with your votes. Everyone needs to make their voices heard in the simplest terms by voting out those memeber who forget what we vets, our families and those currently serving sacrifice each and every day.
For too long Congress has not had oversight, it is the responsibilty of every American citizen to watch dog our government not the other way around. People should not fear government, government should fear the people. Congress should take note of what is happening here in the US on Wall Street and around the world. If you think it can't happen here Congress/Senate, think again.
Maybe it is time for the military take over and cut down to size Congress and their benefits!
Yes, it is time to vote all of them out. Unfortunately, this will be passed before their terms are up, so we are stuck with it. It's time to make a stand with your senators, representatives & the President & tell the President that he said he would not put this on the backs of our military people, but that is just what is happening. We need to stand up to them now-not in more than a year at the next election.
I concur. And you can definitely rest assured Sen. McCain isn't going to lose any of HIS benefits. And even if he does, there's the very wealthy wife to fall back on. Not too many of us 'working retirees' has such a luxury. That's why I held my nose when I voted for this RINO back in 2008. Seems he would have been no better than the current White House occupant.
I CAN’T BELIVE THAT MCCAIN IS DOING THIS TO THE MEN & WOMEN WHO HAS SERVED THIS COUNTRY, LIKE THIS. I WONDER WHAT WILL THEY TRY TO CUT NEXT? THIS JOB SERVING THE COUNTRY IS TOUGH ENOUGH. BUT TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OUR FUTURE IS A BIT MUCH. ALL THE DECIDES OUR FUTURES NEED TO GO FIGHT FOR THEIR OWN FREEDOM, & LET’S SEE HOW MUCH THEY CONQUER….
How about cutting ALL welfare payments and freebies for illegal aliens first? That would be too easy.
Well, I guess they just found McCain's price tag. He is as much a bold faced liar as the rest of those vipers. And what is really really sad about that is that they are actually proud of themselves. They are all "lower than dirt" and they were it with pride.
This isn't the first time McCain has tried to stab the Soldier and Veteran in the back. Just check his record.
That shriveled ass dick of a human is a POS and does us veterans a diservice everytime he opens his stinken piehole and he needs to just STFU.He was a worthless aviator and he his a POS senator. Just my 3 cents worth
In order for military to get their benefits you have to serve 20 or more years. All the benefits are in writing and verbal promises, hold them up to it and maybe all military vets should go protest the white house. Tell them they work for what? 4 yrs? and get benefits for the rest of their lives and they are rick prior to office. So stop paying these officials and the presidents and their families after they get out of office then this country could get back on it's feet.. How many are we paying for right now since they left office and we take care of their families and pay bodyguards for what?? Don't see any bodyguards for the people who fought for this land just a bunch of money grubbing politicians..
I CAN, AND I KNEW THIS YEARS AGO, THATS WHY I NEVER LIKED HIM OR VOTED FOR HIM.
What ever happen to the Grandfather clause? We were sold a bill of goods when we served our time for our country and now they want to change the rules after we've completed our service? How will that look to those individuals still in the military? Don't trust politicians. Politicians have a retirement package ten times better than ours and they don't have to serve their country for 20 + years – they just have to serve one term and they get much more. No they should look first at themselves.
I spent 20 years defending this great country, I for one can not believe how it has turned against the one who protected them. McCain has his health care and pension from the being elected by a lot of military personal. He served, now he has a better insurance plan and pension so he could care less about ours. We need to cut their insurance out and let them have medicare and no pension unless they serve 20 years. Maybe we need term limits and no benefits for all politicians, I have 2 grandsons in the Army now, I have advised both of them to get out when their time is up. one is up and is getting out and the other is in Afghanistan, will be coming home in Dec. When his time is up he will be getting out as well. There is no future in the military any longer. Retired USAF and very angry with our government.
I recruited for the AF for 12yrs and felt that I always told the truth! Now I wonder. I still believe the service is a good place for many not all, but the bill of goods they are selling now don't think I could or would do it again. The military gave them the security to do the things they wanted school a stable life and to be home with their families. If they want to make laws or change benefits let them walk in the shoes of a military man or women before doing so.
I second the motion on all that. I proudly served my country while being told I would never need to worry about health cost for me or my family. Now I am just turing 65 and may be paying for TFL as well as MEDICARE. All which were promised at no cost. And to add salt to the wound there has been no cot of living alliance for two years. Never did I expect McCain of all people to support this. Shame on McCain. I too will be sure to suggest to our young soldiers get out while you can.
To all Veterans: My 1st husband was US Army (late 30s), then enlisted in the Marines WWII, and now my 2nd husband is also a WWII Army Veteran. So my point? Damned if I didn't buy John McCain's POW "torturous" stint in his Viet Nam 5 yr. cell making him a hero and rooting for him as a Senator and a Pres.Candidate over this phony POTUS he handed the office too. Ever since, McCain has not been an American Hero but has milked the system for all it's worth as a Senator for so many years. We don't have any "heroes" in our government today…they're all phonies and very left-wing progressives.
So I'm asking all in the military to make sure they get their ballots in time for the count and make sure their families also vote…We've got to get rid of the entire bunch starting with the WH, House of Reps, the Senate and the entire Judicial Branch (DOJ). Hubby and I are very old now and may not be around for the 2012 vote (I'm in Hospice Care as I speak) and hubby is starting to lose memory. But just so you all know, I'm very disgusted with John McCain…he and his cronies should have been booted out of Congress after their 2nd term…We need to make sure those bozos don't go any longer than 4 years and stop their perks and pensions when they leave office..make that retroactive for all those who are sitting on top of the world with those extraordinary pensions and health benefits. Sheesh…I just fought another battle and I'm exhausted…seems I can't reach enough Americans to make a difference. Love you all my Heroes..young and old alike.
I back this up, every american works for 20 plus yrs and never get ahead, yet you have politicians and presidents that help screw up this country spending monies like cotton candy on vacations and such and big houses. They get huge benefits for the rest of their lives for a 4 yr term and we stand by while they get paid huge amts sitting on their assets?? Average american works 40-50 yrs, military has to put in 20 plus along with all the stress of war and death for this country.. LEAVE THE MILITARY ALONE OR ARE THEY OPENING THE DOORS FOR MORE 9-11 DAYS? WITHOUT THE MILITARY THIS COUNTRY IS NOT PROTECTED!!
I think it way past the time for members of congress to start to cut some of there benefits. They dont have to serve 20 years to reap money for the rest of there life for not doing nothing,except bickering and cutting benifits of those who have served 20 yrs.Why are the laws different for members of congress and others???
Congress and the Senate have the same retirement system as all federal employees. That changed several years ago.
Though some 'adjustments need to be made, the true adjustments should be.
1.ALL government employees and elected personnel be in Social Security.
2.STOP using SS funds for other than which they were originaly 'promised'.
3. TERM LIMITS ~ 12 years max with NO retirement NOR medical 'benefits while servin
4. Make TRUE cost of living adjustments to retired pay.
5.Adjust the 'retirement' age for SS ~ as the life expectancy has risen.
6.Cut these dumb programs which pay 'persons' to have children. Limit of 2 per family would seem reasonable.
You were doing alright until you jumped into playing God. Telling a Family how many children they can have is imposing on basic Human Rights. It is another story if we as Tax payors are paying for the care of those children. As for Senator McCain, he needs to step back and put himself in the shoes of his comrad's. Cutting the benefits of our Military should never be considered unless every other stone has been turned.
I too was for you until number 6. I really hope you are meaning the payments to the people who get pregnant out of wedlock and want the government to pay for them.
I have 8 children and love everyone of them. We do not expect the government to pay for them. We work hard and do our best to not take "charities" espectially from the government.
I believe he was refering to those that have children so that they will receive a check
1. Already true for the Federal Government, has been since 1984. For states, please contact your state Legislature.
2. That means cutting spending by about 50%. Feel free to specify programs you will cut.
3. Not certain what you mean. Right now their health care and retirement are the same as the Civil Service.
4. Define true COLA. What numbers to you base it on? Right now (and since the mid-70's) it's been based on CPI-W, which includes food, energy, housing, medical.
5. More than they have? Right now it's 67 for most of us. Remember, that means that plumber or steel-worker doesn't get it until then.
6. Right. Done back in the mid-90's under Clinton.
Item # 3 – Congress has padded their retirement under the Civil Service System. They are paid retirement as for Federal Marshals, Air Traffic Controllers & other high stress/dangerous jobs – 2%/year – verse what normal Civil Service employees retire – 1%/year after minimum 5 years of service collectable at age 62.
I CAN AGREE MORE WITH YOUR ARTICLE. ONGRESS AND SENATORS DO NOT PAY FOR MEDICAL SERVICES FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES, THEY DONT HAVE TO PAY BACK ANY STUDENTS LOANS ON THEIR FAMILIES AND WHEN RETIRE THEY RECEIVED 100% OF THE SALARY…….ABOUT THAT…MR. McCAIN BETTER WAKE UP……
Amen brother, only adding max. medical after serving should be no more than the number of years they served and they have to pay for them. Your 6 points are all common sense points so why would the idiot politicians ever implement them.
I aqgree with George Dean. I would also add one more statement, that all illegal aliens, and their families, be sent back to their own country.
I agree with all the comments here, what we all should do is write all these comments to McCain and all the other members of the house and congress and let them know how American's feel about what they are doing..I mean the comments about the cuts to their perks and retirements and everything else that they get free or for very little cost that the tax payers have to foot the bill..Let's all write these so called leaders and let them know what we think and how they shoudl act with OUR money
I tell them that every time I write them about everything.
all they will do isw round file the letters, they don't care, as long as they get there money.
I think MC Cain is an idiot. My husband did twenty years but came out with mental issues and unable to work. Our family can not afford civilian insurance. The government just does not care about the military once they are done serving.their duty. All military has earned their benefits.
It's hard enough for us to find good paying jobs, and most of us get by with the health care that the military provide. It's just shameful, for someone like McCain to suggest something like this. Well, time for McCain and all the other Representatives to be One Termer's. Don't want to listen to The People, Or The Great Service Men and Women who gave their lives for this Great Nation. You're Fired, We'll find some else who can, and if they make the same mistake too, they will be Fired on the Term.
one termers with no retirement benefits for the little bit that they do
Navy Vet 1952 1974
My main reason to stay was the promised benefits. I can't belleive McCain with his service can really support this move.
He can because it doesn't affect him. He's set for life with his congressional benefits.
Yes and so were many of us. We can complain here all we like but I doubt anyone like McCain will be reading it. We need to all call or write to our Congressmen and women and our senators and tell them how we feel. I would demand an accounting of what they are giving in this mess. Tell them fine, you list what you are doing to me and then list what you are cutting from your benefits. Not one of them should let this happen without knowing how we all feel about them and the mess they created and now say we have to pay for it at a time we have no choices in life.
Be leave it!!!
McCain been attempting to cut from vets for a long time now. People just do not pay much attention to what he says, just look up McCain speeches
McCain is no "Hero"…He was never tortured while a POW…He was sent to a special hospital for "repairs" when he agreed to talk to his
captors..a few of his fellow POWs wanted to bring charges against him on their release but it was covered up because his daddy & granddaddy had 4 stars on their sholders….Look up his record on voting for veterans issues and he comes up short almost every time.
Annnnddd he's on homeland security advisers…unbelievable! Guess they struck out the word loyalty under his contract with the military.
I'm a 20 yr AF retiree E-7. I've followed McCain since he was first elected. IMHO, he's still a piece of ….excrement, for a better choice of words.
Believe it Navy vet, I have never really seen a time when this guy did support the retired vet. I will never respect people like him until he puts his own pay on the line. Until then, he is just another person talking the DC talk, he does not know how to walk his talk.
McCain is abandoning ship and leaving us to go down with the ship to the depths! Retired Army officer and military analyst, Andrew J. Bacevich, wrote in the Washington Post that the DBB’s proposed solution “would be to transform profession into trade, reducing long-serving officers and noncommissioned officers to the status of employees, valued as long as they are needed, expendable when they are not, forgotten the day they leave.”
Sorry, Ken…it always was the way you described. Fact of life. Every soldier in every military system in every century fit your description. We are only important while we serve….and not really important as individuals to civilians and politicians. Boo-hooing serves no purpose (no one sees these comments but we who read these blogs). Harping that Congresspersons should cut their pay/benefits is a waste of electrons (won't happen). Only by using our votes judiciously has any benefit (and really not all that much as we're only a tiny percentage of voters in each state since the Electoral College actually elects the President). If we had One Vote One Person with a simple majority voting in Congresspersons and the President, we might (maybe, sorta, but not likely) actually have some clout. But if boo-hooing makes you and the other bloggers here feel better, press on!
Of course McCain has no problem with benefit cuts. His benifits, i.e. healthcare, retirement, salary, etc. in Congress are safe. There is not one instance of Congress cutting their benifits, ever.
Intead of the 99 percenters protesting Wall Street, they ought to be protesting against the real problem, the Congress of the United States.
VOTE, VOTE, VOTE! Re-elect no one!!!!!
Rgr that! But just getting them out of office is not enough. We need to clean up the entire system which is totally corrupt. Imprison those who deserve it and hang the traitors. That will be a good start.
I agree 100%, we need to stand up. Its time to clean house!
I totally agree and McCain should be the first to go….He has done nothing for the state of Arizona…As SCPO says., Vote them all out and include all the members of congress..All a bunch of do nothing people…
Although I agree, we are somewhat stuck with McCain since he just got re-elected. I would hope that the people of AZ do not forget this issue down the road. What really gets me is how Congressmen can come to an agreement on spending OUR money on wasteful ventures and when the heat is turned up against them… well we'll just make some cuts in the military! This kind of bullsh..t has to stop and only WE THE PEOPLE can do it. VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!!
Good Post. I wholeheartly agree with everything you stated. Politicians are taxpayers and citizens of the United States like the rest of us. We hired them, we pay their wages. How is it that they have set different standards for themselves. They get richer and fatter while we the average American get poorer.
If they were to cut their wages and benefits, we could save in the millions yearly.
McCain doesn't need any benefits from his service time or congressional and senatorial careers…he's married to a woman with millions of dollars! Her family runs one of the largest Anhueser Busch distributorships in the US. It appears McCain has become out of touch with the military members that have supported him over the years.
AMEN SCPO!
it's a rotten shame, that the politician can serve one term, never risk their lives, and receive full retirement with benefits that are above and beyond our soldiers.
I served 20 years in the military and am a disabled veteran and still have to pay for medical. I have Tricare Prime and the system is a joke. Always having to pay until the system is caught up or input correctly we are billed.
The cuts are always made to to working men and women of this country instead of the politicians. They should be the first to be cut then set the example for the citizens.
I have admired Senator McCain for years as a fellow veteran of Vietnam. I don't know that I could find the courage and forgivenness that he has in relation to his prison years. I have assumed that he would be the first to understand and defend miitary benefits, and the last to condone fewer benefits. Military life cannot be compared to any form of civilian life. I can't even imagine life as a POW in Vietnam. Just what is freedom worth? Can you compare public dollars to freedom and the cost of military lives and limbs? How much are your arms, legs, eyesight, or even your life, worth? Senator, please realize there are millions of citizens who would love to chop military pay and benefits. We need heroes llike you to stand on our side. Maybe you have been in Washington too long. Please smell the flowers of freedom.
Check your facts at snopes.com You are a bit off on congressional retirement.
It is not a matter of "who served what" to get any retirement or benefit, it is about integrity.
I signed a contract…, a contract created by the government. The contract states that the agreement is bound by rules and regulations, and among those are rules and regulations regarding retirement benefits. I upheld my requirements under the contract, the government did not, and now the ones who run the government have mismanaged the system and bled away the money needed to uphold the governments end of the contract. Therefore, they are now taking the tactic of cutting benefits and using the excuse that there is not enough money.
I did a bit of research and discovered that the Solyndra loans that went bust, was enough to fund the retirement pensions for 31,588 retired E-8 veterans for a year. This is not a case of "not having the money" it is a case of politicians incompetence and lack of desire by the politicians to uphold the government's promises, in short it is a deficiency of integrity on the part of the DC insiders.
welp – he's losing my support… such a dumb move
he NEVER had my support.
Senator McCain:
You ought to be ashamed of yourself. As a former naval officer and POW, you should have the sensitivity and compassion expected of a Vietnam Vet. It seems your priorities are tainted by some motivation I am unable to identify. I hope the tradeoff associated with the cuts you propose are worth it and do not keep you up at night. Sec. Def. McNamara who did not tell the truth about the Gulf of Tonkin which got us into an unwinnable war, and perhaps Kissinger whose only mission was to pull us out, sold out the Vietnam veteran. Now it looks like you join the group that are looking for an answer that is expedient but not necessarily right.
I pray your proposal fails. Fortunately, you were defeated for the Presidency run in 2008. Frankly, I would not want you as my Commander-in-Chief and I could never vote for you as President.
I wouldn't vote for the prick as dog catcher. I would vote for a dog that grabbed him by the throat though.
McCain is a complet as——- he forgets who put him office and that goes for all the rest of the jerks, we should vote them all out and put new people in and if they don"t do the job vote them out etc.
10-4 batman, keep voting them out until they get someone that don't act like a spoiled child. Problem is, corruption breads corruption. If we could end that, the problems would be over. These people need to know and realize who it is that put them where they are. We need to terminate the likes of the Pelosi's, Reids, Kerrys, and the rest of the socialist progressives in there. They are all a bunch of alpha hotels.
10-4
THANKS GOD HE DINT WIN LAST PAST ELECTION, IT IS FULLY DEMOCRAT, I REMEMBER McAIN HANGING AROUND WITH TED KENNEDY McAIN SHOULD BE NEGOTIATED HIS RETIREMENT BENEFITS ALSO INCLUDING ALL WHO SERVED TWO YEARS AND TAKE A BIG CHUNCK OF MONEY (PENSION) FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE WHY HE DONT TALK ABOUT THAT, I AM A REPUBLICAN AND I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM LAST PAST ELECTION,SORRY FOR ALL YOUR READING MY MEASSAGE BUT IS TRUE, macain is fully democrat,
As a long time military retiree(1976) I have observed the system for several years. In the military as well as in the private sector the hierarchic always looks to the ones who have sacrificed the most to get what they have, to sacrifice more for the good of us all. I wonder when they will commit to a sacrifice. The answer is never! Lets make them sacrifice at the poles in November 2012. We still have no republican candidate who has a military background and understands our plight. USAF – 1 Wayne C
McCain is finally comming out of the closet and revealing what he truely is, a RINO! (Republican in Name Only) If there is any question as to why the Conservative base distrusted him in 08 it should be perfectly clear now. He's seems to have become like so many of his colleges, being more self serving than public serving. Whatever it takes to save their own hides and get re-elected.
Well, I am a die hard LIBERAL and Democrat and we sure don't want him near us! He smells.
WAIT A god DAMN MINUTE!!! YOU CUT MY RETIREMENT BENEFITS, THE YOU NEED TO BACK PAY ME THE GENERAL PREVAILING WAGE FOR THE 20 YEARS I SERVED AND THOSE FAT CATS IN WASHINGTON AND THOSE NO LONGER CURRENTLY SERVING IN THE SENATE AND CONGRESS DO NOT NEED NO DAMN BENEFITS AT ALL. THEY CAN PAY FOR THEIR OWN HEATHCARE
They already did, along with their retirement and SS. And in 1995 they put themselves under the same laws as the rest of us.
Please folks, if you're going to whine, at least whine with the facts.
Well that figures !! First it was Schroder now McCain. Sure, I'll go along with that – as long as those politicians completely disolve thier whole health care program. After all, they have the best salary and retirement program on God's green Earth. They can afford it. My unemployment check can't put a dent in their system. Oh!!! Almost forgot – I have to pay income tax on that unemployment too.. Ain't I the luck one.
If I were a millionare like McCain and most of his cronies I would probably feel the same way he does. Let the little guy pay. I wonder if he thought and felt that way during his vacation in Hanoi. I doubt it. How does he feel about those of us who carried on the fight, and were there and cheered when he and the others got out. How soon they forget. As a former Recruiter I am ashamed to say that I along with others made the false promise of free medical upon retirement.
Hey, Old Retiree, don't fault yourself for making the promise. You don't make policy like congress. How could you have known that things would have changed? There should be a protest agnaist congress like the Occupy
Wallstreet Protest ! Such a protest would embarrass congress.
I have always maintained that a "VELVET" demonstration is required
to be initiated that delineates that "WE THE PEOPLE," do not work
for Congress: Congress works for the American people.
You made those promises in good faith based on trust in the government. We've all learned the hard way that we can't trust them any more whether democrat or republican.
sell out. cut your own benefits feel the hardships of the veterens out here. Politicians need to come down to earth and remember who they represent. Fire them all. what a bunch of losers
you all ought to be ashamed of yourselves cut our benefits is totally ludicris we the veterans that gave our lives for 20 years and more were guaranteed these benefits and now they talk about taking them away you senators and congressman all need to look in the mirror and see if the person in it is someone with integrity how can you honestly feel this is fair but i know the bottom line you got yours and the hell with anyone else ….and mccain your an pompous ass im sure when you sorry butt was laying in that prison and your family was getting their benefits you werent concerned about losing them and how can you in good conscience do that to us
f course McCain has no problem with benefit cuts. His benifits, i.e. healthcare, retirement, salary, etc. in Congress are safe. There is not one instance of Congress cutting their benifits, ever. I spent 21 years in the military in Veitnam and now i'm over 70 and McCain wants me to pay for my Tricare for Life, its no wonder this country is in such mess. Vote him out…
IMcCain has lost his mind and its time for him to leave office,aren't we glad he isn't president of course the one we now have is crazy.
VOTE, VOTE, VOTE! Re-elect no one!!!!!
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Senator McCain, you have my utmost respect for your service and sacrifice while serving in the U.S. Military. I was there when you arrived and visited your last places in Vietnam back in Apr 2000…you were above reproach in dealing with those memories and prior captors. However, I know this is not what you want! Please, with utmost respect, don't break down what is one of the most important things in America…our Veterans!
He now has my utmost disrespect and I was serving in the Navy on the rivers of Vietnam hoping we were fighting for his release. He should have been overlooked on the list of captives to be released.
McCain is no different than Jane Fonda!!! May they both burn in hell.
I cannot believe what I am reading. Senator McCain, NO WAY! Well, that is what happens when you are a millionaire and have a half dozen houses and filty rich.
Arizona voters and veterans better wake up and retire that guy before we all go down the tube!
GOD, I can't believe what I am reading!!!
Let some good come out of this experience. Open your eyes and see. Its not just McCain, its all of them. Doesn't matter which party, they are ALL just as bad as this backstabber. Next time you find yourself listening to the bum's you support, snap out of it and realize you're being lied to. Why do you think both parties spend all their time making their followers seething mad at the other party? While you're concentrating on the party you hate, the party you support is screwing you.
McCain Shame on you…………………….how soon you forget!!!!
I am as shocked as the rest of the world, when I read what McCain
is contemplating concerning having retirees pay $200.00 for their
Tri-Care medical. Of all the individuals, why McCain? It is a maneuver
that Obama is capable of, if you follow, not a war hero.
I do agree that the proposed cuts to the military retirement system are bogus.
I have to argue one point to all of you that are making a statement about cutting Gov benefits though. Apparently you do not know how the Federal retirement system works. If they are under CSRS, they get 50% pay if they have the right years of service/age computation. If they are FERS, it is based off of number of years with a crazy calculation that was put into effect around 1982 to get rid of the CSRS retirement system. Neither of these retirement systems are considered “hefty” or even a great retirement…they are just decent and will let you get by in your retirement years.
Members of the House, Senate, and Congress have far more money in personal bank accounts than any retirement from either of these systems will ever pay out to them. They didnt go into government service to get rich…they got into it for the contacts…
I am feeling as many that our elected officials are not looking out for our best interests “as usual”. We retirees and active duty personell are being punished for our service. We are an easy target for them as we do not have the numbers required to fight yet another battle. This one on our homefront with our own “elected officials”. Shame on them, and especially Senator McCain. What a waste. Is there anyone who who supports our elected officials and their benefits package. Maybe we need a new approach.
McCain is not a republican, he's a liberal who calls himself a republican so he can get re-elected in his home state. Facts are, only 17% of those that serve stay long enough to collect a pension. McCain needs to remember that it's not 20 years at a desk, it's 20 years of sacrifice in the form of deployments, constant moves, spouses unable to advance their careers, plus bullets flying in our general direction and bombs going off. What other job requires you to endure this enviroment? Remember, you get what you pay for.
We're in this sorry state because we listen to these liars and give them our support. We spend so much time angry at the party we don't support that we fail to pay attention to the true nature of the people we do support. These guys play American voters off against each other so we don't take the time to look at them too closely. They encourage us to be angry and hateful to whoever supports the other party. Sad fact is that the people who support the other party aren't who we need to worry about. It's our so called leaders. Party doesn't matter, they're both rotten to the core.
The Senator will feel no financial pain. He is a retired Navy Captain with service connected disability, which he earned thee hard way. He also has a spouse that who was or still is the Budweiser Distributor for the the state of Arizona. He has likely never experienced financial hardship. His dad was a Fleet Admiral. His action is causing me to lose total respect for him. I now see him as a greedy maverick with little or no concern for the military retiree. Perhaps the first thing he should do is relinquish his entire military pay and government insurance; secondly he might consider retiring from the US Senate and donate his retirement pay to the O'Bama cause; that might earn him some respect.
hahahaha
iT SHOULD SHOW YOU SOMETHING THAT NONE OF THE ABOVE COMMENTS IS IN FAVOR OF MCCAIN'S POSITION. WHAT A TRAITOR TO THE MILITARY! AND DON'T YOU FEEL SORRY FOR THE POOR UNION FOLKS WITH THEIR CUSHY RETIREMENT PROGRAMS, NOT TO MENTION CONGRESS. WE IN THE MILITARTY ARE CONSIDERED LOWER THAN DIRT, BUT WHO DOES THE NATION TURN TO WHEN OUR COUNTRY'S BUTT IS IN A SLING? THE POOR OLD UNDER-APPRECIATED AND UNDER-COMPENSATED GI. ROT IN HELL, MCCAIN!!
Any support I may have offered McCain in the past has been sorely place and won't happen again. We sacrafice our lives for our country and this is the thanks we get. Go figure.
Trouble with McCain is one day he's a democrat the next a republican and the following day an independent. I'm not suprised by his actions, just truely disappointed.
More important than should they or shouldn't they touch our benefits – should they or shouldn't they be able to in the first place.
Men and women who served the prescribed time at their date of enlistment should be left alone – period! They fulfilled their part of the agreement… and considering the wars fought by previous generations – they did so at considerable risk. They shouldn't be able to change the rules of the game when the game is over. That is no different than me buying your house and after closing I tell you I am only going to pay you half your price.
How will this affect 20 year retired, deceased military widows. Never
thought I would see the day McCain would do this.
The way it will affect me as a widow:
An increase in Mdicare also an increase in C0-Payments for meds.
Looks like I will have to pay $200.00 annually for Tri-Care For Life and to top it all of a decrease in (DIC) payments.
Cut McCains benefits and Congress, why always the Military? He should be ashamed of himself, Traitor
This is just typical John McCain being himself,here is a good read for more examples of this "great Hero" http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/mccain/ Him and His buddy Kyle just voted against the jobs bill in a time when returning Vets can't find jobs,I guess He thinks constant deployments amounts to job creation.
I started an online petition to ask the President not to gut the retirement pay. If you'd like to add your signature, you can find it by using the search box at Change.org. If enough of us respond, maybe we can keep that from happening.
If you print out all the names of those whom join your petition, at the end of the petition drive, I'm sure O'bamma will put it to good use, hanging it in the restrooms in congress & the senate!
INSTEAD OF PAPER WORK WHICH HAS NEVER WORKED,ORGANIZED A MARCH ON WASHINGTON.
It's already happened, I've been given notice and the increase is effective now! Additionally, when obamee jerk face came in he was going to lower taxes, well my pay check increased $11.00 per month for two years. Then I was told that this was only temporary to give you more money in your pocket. This year my retired pay reduced by $50.00 per month. The reason stated was a change in the tax tables. There was nothing I did to change my deduction, damn sure didn't get a COLA, don't know? I no longer have any respect for RINO mccain. I don't know what he was trying to prove by this move, but it's going to cost him with military retirees.
HOW ABOUT OUR DO NOTHING HOUSE AND SENATE GIVING UP THEIR BENEFITS AND TAKING A PAY CUT. THEY RECEIVE ENOUGH FROM THE LOBBYIST'S
Shame on McCain. I was proud (and still am) to have served 20 years in the USAF. I'm now retired and depend on Tricare for Life. I agree with all the others, it's high time people in Washington start cutting some of their benefits. I haven't heard anything about that and probably won't. Obama, who is a millionaire over, why should he worry? Did he serve 20 years? Let's stop sending billions overseas and take care of our own. I can't believe Washington, McCain, suggesting a charge of $200 or any amount for something that was PROMISED to retired service members. What a slap in the face! SHAME ON MCCAN, SHAME ON OBAMA, SHAME ON OUR GOVERNMENT.
Tonight I wrote to ALL my represenatives voicing my thoughts on Paying 200.00 annually for Tricare for Life and decreasing my veterans benefits.
"The promise of Free Mdical for life for serving twenty years and a retirement income" The promise is not broken, it's shattered! I made it known to all in Washington that I will be EXTREMELY SELECTIVE in whom I vote for. The Sun don't shine on the same dog's hiney all the time.
If Congress would take a close look at our contracts we are promised free medical, dental, and prescription for LIFE if we retire but now they are trying to charge us for it.
This could very possibly constitute a breach of contract.
It's true McCain has nothing to worry about since his senator pension and benefits are protected by laws Congress made. They always take care of themselves
Check your factrs retiredAF…I don't think we ever had contracts that promised dental for life in retirement. Agree Congress should step front and center and cut their benefits before dipping into military retiree's benefits.
s/Ted Leber
We may not have had dental but medical is definately there. We had Champus and then they wanted to change it to Tricare, and then later on they made further changes. The thing is this, us older retired vets (either by years or due to disability) were promised these things. Its like being in a regular govt job where they have CSRS or FERS. If you were under CSRS you were told you would get X and then they got wise and figured out they needed to change it to FERS. The fact is, this is different!!
Sorry to burst your and everyone elses bubble but a few years back when congress tried to do this some retired took it to court. The court said that the only thing promised was the money. They further said that if a recruiter promised this it was in their realm to promise anything other than retirement pay.
recruiters recruit people, cannot make promises they are incapable of keeping.
Wonder if you could sue the bums?
nothing is free
Hey!! Senator McCain, start cutting your benefits, money, and other ammennities that you get, along with congress and other senators!! We in the military, retirees, and vets worked hard to get our benefits. Keep your GREEDY "HANDS OFF" what little benefits we have for giving our country and military 20+ years of service. Well, John McCain you have lost the support of me and my family!! I others will not support Senator John McCain any longer. This is just so wrong what he wants to do.
Something is seriously wrong with this situation, just who do these congressmen and Senators work for, who pays their wages, we the people need to cut their salary and benefits seeing we are the ones paying the bill, I getting tired of them telling us what to do and pay, they work for us, not we for them, they had better stop and smell the roses or they could part of the unemployed
McCain has deserted his Brothers for a fat job and a pension from Washington. He needs to be sent to the glue factory along with the other dirt bags in Congress.
Why is it those criminals can only think of ways to TAKE money from We the People? I think it is past time that we remind them that WE are the bosses, and they serve US! If they don't like it, then they can get on the next plane to Afghanistan and see if they can get the Taliban to listen to them.
This is just another in a long line of betrayals by our government. It is past time that we restore our Constitutional Republic which includes imprisoning all who have violated their oath to defend the Constitution. after we do that, we can work on the rest. Sending a few dozen to prison or to the gallows might get their attention. We can start with the usurper in thief and work our way down.
For God & Country.
This is just “one more time” that the powers to be in Washington continue to erode our hard earned benefits. Maybe we should all contact an ACTIVE DUTY member and tell them to COME ON Home!! We will tell them that our service to our country doesn’t mean a thing to those in the white house, congress or senate, and it won’t mean a thing to those serving now. We now know that that our governments word isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. Let us see what washington’s response would be to that.
You want to ruin their day? No need to waste good hemp rope on such a sorry bunch of rodents. Get a third party that has nothing at all to do with democrat or republican and elect its candidates to run the place. Imagine a world where these parasites are sent home, then cut their benefits and cancel their retirement pay. All nice and legal. Spend what we save investigating them and when found guilty of betraying our trust, seize all their assets like they do with the rest of the criminals.
So Obamas plan is to give universal healthcare to everyone who hasn’t joined the military and take it away from everyone who has retired from the military? How does that make sense?
His plan was to appear to give universal healthcare. What it really does is guarantee that there will never be reform no matter how badly its needed. He joined with republicans who insisted that the insurance companies be let alone to operate the way they have done. Screwing us harder every year.
The BEST investment in our country's future is our military…retired, active, Guard, and reserve. Screwing around with what we were promised is a low blow (BOHICA comes to mind). Those of us close to retirement or on active duty better be grandfathered in to what we were promised! Not to forget the benefits for those who came before us! I am sick of this budget mess and our countries problems…but, those of us in uniform always seem to get the shyt stick.
WHy are the hurting the people over 65 that were promised these benefits when they retired ? None of the senators and congressmen have any idea how hard it is today with groceries higher each week and all costs going up. Also no raises in 2 years. WHen they have to use the same insurance and have the same percentages of raises, ( AND TAKE AWAY THEIR PERKS) and have to work 20-30 years without a super pension like they get, maybe they might understand how to represent their constituents!!!
I'm disappointed with Senator McCain in his recommendations, especially for the retirees in TRICARE for Life. These retirees are up in age now with whatever military-related complaints they may have acquired. Most of those in the 'for Life' program were promised medical care for the rest of their lives for free. It is not right that the veteran has benefits taken away that he was promised. This is wrong. The $200 fee may seem minimal, but to these veterans it is an added 'cost' of life for something that was supposed to be free. The costs for prescribed medications has already risen, and now they want to add another charge. This is ridiculous. For the length of time my husband was in the service, 23 years, it has always been how can we take back what we promised, and if it wasn't for the veteran's groups, we wouldn't have been able to hang on as lo ng as we have to what we have. I feel like we need to open Sen. McCain's, a verteran and POW, head to see if he is getting too old for the job.
I find it hard to believe that a former military commander would send a message to agree to military retirement cuts. He has been there and done that! But then his entitlements are not effected. So maybe cutting our throats will enhance his political chances with someone. But certainly not with those who have earned their retirements. Let's show him the door on his next attempt at an election…..
I agree with everyone her. I just fired an email and I can't wait to see what cock and bull answer I get. As for a military, the volunteer force is probably not going to be around. And the DRAFT; wow, I guess we will have to wait and see on that one. . . . .
Bring back the draft tomorrow morning.
It is imperative that the DRAFT be re-implemented in order to give
everyone a chance to serve their country, both male and female,
similar to the Israeli forces. The military teaches character and
patriotism, two entities that have been long absent from American civiians.
Everyone needs to pay their taxes, in the same manner that each
eligible citizen needs to serve in the military; not in the Red Cross or
other such agencies, if you follow. In addition, McCain is a disgrace to
his uniform, to himself, and to the United States of America by advocating
his stance of having older retirees pay an annual fee of $200.00 for
their Tri-Care, if you follow.
What is wrong with these people? Maybe McCain is losing his marbles? Has he forgotten all the benefits he received as a POW? AS a Senator he has become a fat cat like so many others. Men and Women have served and died for this country. Many have served overseas more than they have lived in the U.S. No jobs, everyone wanting to cut SS, Military Benefits and Pay while they keep their own. Time for term limits to one only and the right to impeach Senators, Congressmen and the like. Where would they and America be without the Military? Or does anyone really care.
For Abqaiq:
Nobody in Congress really cares, and our hero from his vacation
in the Hanoi Hilton, similar to Obama, has shown his true colors.
His and his ilk are a disgrace. We retirees need to understand
McCain's rationale for him implementing such a plan, therefore,
he should be forced to impart an explanation so that we are all on the
same page. Obama has the same bad habit: he never talks to the
American people, similar to FDR during World War Two, therefore,
McCain needs to explain his mismatched intentions to increase a
retiree's Tri-Care For Life rates. McCain is following in the footsteps
of the misguided Obama, whom has never worn the uniform, but he
is called our Commander-in-Chief none-the-less.
My son is a disabled vet. He holds down a full time job on a phone in order to make ends meet. My husband is a retired military personnel. They have earned their disability and retirement pays. Which contrary to what most civilans think we get is really pretty sad. If it wasn't for the military men and women and the families that support them during tours in places like Korea, Viet Nam, World War I and II and now over in Irag they wouldn't be sitting as pretty as they are. Unbelievable that they want to attack the benefits that they worked hard for. I never was in the service but as a wife and mother of two, I really think Congress and the Senate should start looking at their incomes and leave the military benefits alone.
We saw this when he was running for President. What is new? He is so "wishy-washy". I dont think that he would have been a good choice for President. He might have been worse than what we have now.
For Susan Lantz:
Nobody, acting as President of the United States, is worse than what we
have now. Obama and his ilk, are worthless Progressives and have no
place in United States politics.
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAct… information:
give him a piece of your mind
What is the man thinkiong of…..Like the others commenting …You first cut yours then maybe mine…He probabl;y will not even notice his cut but I depend on mine…..Good think he lost the last election….
I always supported McCain. Not anymore. I hope that I don't forget where I came from when I am McCain's age.
No worry. Honorable behavior isn't age related. Most people behave better as they get older. You never know about that Judgement Day thing. McCain hasn't changed. It took this to let you see him for who he really is. Most of us would be smart to take a second hard look at whoever else we support in politics.
You know what gets me about military folks, both active duty AND retirees; no matter how much you get, u want more! What you have is never enough. I joined the military in 1986, and i remain on active duty to this day so i feel I am qualified to speak on the matter.
look around you…this country is hurting. Millions unemployed and ur ******** about a $200 A YEAR fee for TRICARE. If u retired 20 years ago ur retirement check has DOUBLED off the backs of the active duty folks yet u complain its not enough. this sense of entitlement is part of the problem with folks in this country. U swore an oath the day u joined the military…u agreed to SACRIFICE…swallow ur greed and stop sitting there with ur hands out demanding more. While u worry about ur posh retirements, ur vacation homes and free medical care…many in this country cant feed their kids! U should he ashamed of urselves!!
While those that have retired over 20 years ago may have seen their retirement checks double over that time, what exactly has the cost of living done? Perhaps you've forgotten too, that they now pay for medical care, that while promised implicitly (as it was never in writing), none the less was reaffirmed by the inclusion of retirees in Tricare to begin with.
I'd suggest you get off your soap box, do a little research, and support those who are trying to preserve what little we have left so that you might find some security in your retirement years.
Hey there slick, posh retirement? Apparently you haven't retired yet. That post retirement is roughly 1200 bux a month. From that Posh retirement check comes taxes, you remember those. Also from that Posh retirement check come tricare and delta dental, those slick aren't free. Also from that posh retirement you need to pay your co-pays, which might not sound like much at 12 -25 bux a visit, but you toss in your co-pay for prescriptions at 3, 6, 9, or 12 bux per prescription and it adds up. Now you tell me chief just how do you pay a mortgage, food, and the other daily living expenses on 1200 a month. See unlike you, still serving, we don't get a food stipend, a rent stipend, free medical for our families, free dental for our families, a clothing allowance, an annual COLA pay increase (which the retirees have NOT had in the past 3 yrs) or anything of that nature.
You also seem to forget their buddy that retirees get paid 1 time a month, not twice a month, like you. Your ignorance in how the VA processes disability claims also suggests how it takes them between 18 and 36 months currently for service connected disability ailments. You also don't seem to realize that some of these POSH RETIREMENT VETS as you call them, are living under bridges, eating out of dumpsters, and don't have the simple things in life, like clothes or a place to shower, or even that really cool thing you call heat in the winter. GREED chief, is the last thing alot of these VETS are suffering from.
Hey numbnuts!! Get bthis strait- I spent three years in RVN. 3/67-6/69, 3/72-12/72. 9 1/2 yrs USMC, 10 1/2 yrs USMCR. Retired 12/1985. I pay $460.00 yr for TRICARE, not $200. When I first went to RVN, HFP was $65 per month, my basic pay was about $165 per mo. I now collect $1006 per mo CRSC payment, and $1429.00 VA Comp with a 70% disability rating. I am a 63 yr old Type II diabetic as a result of exposure to Agent Orange. And you think I have it easy?? Easier than the current crop of vets on active duty?? Where in the hell do youy get off on criticizing those of us who came before you?? Shame on you!!!
SSgt USMC Ret.
WOW! If you truly are military I can not believe that you would actually say that having your benefits messed with is OK! As you should know the military is not a bunch of rich folks like you must think. If you want to be rich DO NOT join the military! Since you are not yet retired I would be careful to defend the idiotic decisions of our government. You must know that they may be grandfathering YOUR retirement. Meaning that they want to make sure it sucks! So when and if that time comes don't come crying to us about it. You sound like a politician!
I AM CWO DONALD GRIZZARD AND NOT AFRAID TO SAY MY NAME. I HAVE BEEN RETIRED 28 YEARS, YEARS I AM VERY PROUD OF. 26 YEARS ACTIVE DUTY. 3 TOURS IN VIETNAM. I AM NOW A DISABLE VET WITH 3 COMBAT RELATED INJURIES BUT I AM NOT COMPLAINING. I THINK I HAVE EARNED EVERY PENNY I NOW RECEIVE. DON'T I WISH I COULD AFFORD A VACATION HOME OR JUST AFFORD A NICE HOME THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO.
I LIVED UP TO MY OATH, HAVE YOU? I JUST THINK THERE COMES A TIME WHEN SOMEONE CAN SACRIFICE NO LONGER.
BY THE WAY I TAKE NOTHING FROM THE BACKS OF ACTIVE DUTY MEMBER BUT I DO GIVE THEM MY GREATEST RESPECT.
Listen Sad Sack!! Why in hell are you in the military? I would like to be able to track your career to see where some DoDo bird like you originated. Don't tell me that you plan to retire and take all those undeserved benefits you speak of. By the way, there are a lot of retired military that don't possess the "Hands" to reach out with to demand more.
Sir,
With what you have stated and not knowing anything else about you or your career…I must assume you are a current reflection of what is wrong with past and present military, political policy and leadership. You should know better…
I have served on the enlisted side and now serve as an officer…Therefore, I have the experience to relay several things:
1. Don't screw with benefits promised.
2. Don't screw with benefits of those families who served, died/still serving or dying to date.
I assume you have lost buddies in war, taken care of their parents/kids, and have a 90% disabled vet as you spouse? If not, you contact me and, I'll give you a pair of shoes to walk in.
Till that time comes, I would appreciate you refrain from embarrassing yourself in front of vets.
Hey Einstein:
It has nothing to do with the $200.00 fee, but rather it has everything
to do with doing the right thing, especially when there is "NEVER" any
mention of cutting Congress' pay and benefits as an equalizer, if
you follow. McCain has now entered the class of morons that Obama
and his ilk reigns supreme.
It's times like this that make people regret that the military is under control of civilians who have never done anything for their country except sit on their collective butts and take kickbacks from the lobbyists.If Obama goes through with these stupid plans the Democratic party will not recover. I guarantee that the first candidate after Obama leaves that promises to reinstate the benefits will get elected with no problem
Personally, I have never advocated our military being run by civilians.
In the 19th century Prussia, for example, the king reigned supreme,
but during times of war, he gave his generals full authority to
prosecute a war, and in ancient Rome, the Senate gave the overall
military commander in the field, full-authority to wage war because most
senators were not military commanders. Many years ago, when the
Founding Fathers awarded the President of the United States the
additional title as the Commander-in-Chief, that title had a purpose,
but today, and for many years in the past, this ward has outlive its
purpose because there is little doubt that the military would entertain
the thought of maintaining a complete takeover, and, therefore I see this
move as a inclusive measure to thwart martial law, because the
military can at all times take over whether the President of the United
States has been awarded the title of Commander-in-Chief, if you
follow.
JOHN McLAME !!
WAY TO GO, SEA BUDDY !!
WHERE ARE THE CLASS ACTION PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT ON BEHALF OF THE MILITATY MEN AND WOMAN?
Now I know (1) how McCain lost the election and (2)
How the other guy who is now president won it.
Hey McCain, we didn't elect you to stab us in the back
How can you as a senator deny us ours while you and
all the rest of the phonies in Congress have yours ?
DO AS I SAY. . . AND NOT AS I DO should be your motto !
Sounds to me like he did not spend enough time as a POW and needs to go back. All of the elected officals want to do is take, take, take. maybe they need to take some of there perks and give it to the Active, and Retired Military for keeping them safe.
We should take care of those who take care of us…that's the 1 percent of the population our men and women in uniform.. Cut the politicians pensions instead…they only take care of themselves..
Its time to STOP paying Taxes! Then see how the "Gov' can operate,its own country "WE the people".
Admiral McCain would turn over in his grave if he knew his son did this. He married into money and he could care less!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They have all lost my support. How disgusting of an idea. When they needed us to fight, bleed and our brothers died they were all for that as long as they didn't get their hands dirtied. This is outrageous and they may as well institute the draft again because for poverty level wages why on earth would anyone join. I went in as a PVT E-1 and retired a Major so I know both ends of the military better than most. I can't believe that this country could have the nerve to continue to ask men and women to do the fighting and dieing so they can live like the they do. For the first time I may have a little sypathy for the groups doing the occupying across the country.
Since when was John McCain ever with the "Cojones" to stand up for anything? I didnt expect him to say anything in regards to military retired healthcare. He should have kept his D*** Mouth Shut. Of course hisold lady is a multi-millionaire, I sure wouldnt be worried about any Tricare for Life Benefits either. So he can spout off his mouth all he wants to. You know, You would think anyone who spent time in the Hanoi Hilton, would be for every service man retired or active duty. But not old RINO.
Just another Vet here that served 21.5 LONG years, serving in both Africa and SW Asia combat operations. I was told I would receive 1-2-3 if I served at least 20 years. I did my part…now it's time for this great country to stand up and protect that which I and my battle buddies sacrificed oh so much so that we could retire or move on to a new career before we were too old to do so. Don't bitch about it now, about 99% of our citizens could have served…so many chose not to or considered Military service to be beneath them. That's fine, I got their back!
Please America, each one of us has a responsibility to do everything we can to help the Veterans of our great Armed Forces at least receive those benefits they were promised over so many years of service. Thanks.
Notice their is no mentioning of cutting congress's pay and benefits, or the President's and his Cabinet, let's start there our great leaders!
What the heck is wrong with McCain? If they want to save money put all the congress, both houses, on Social Security. They make enough to make there own pensions. Let them enjoy Medicare and life under social security. They serve one term and get a pension that would keep me afloat for ever.
They get away with this and every rotten thing like it because they keep the voters divided and fighting with each other. A house divided cannot stand. They stir up people's hatred and anger in a liberal vs. conservative never ending fight. They get their followers so mad at the other side that they don't notice what's really happening. Since there's ALWAYS some issue that people are angry and arguing about, you never take the time to notice that the side you trust is your worst enemy.
As usual, McCain has his head where the sun doesn't shine.
But do not worry, he will say something different tomorrow or the next day.
His mind is still a prisoner or war!
Why can't we all get along with each other. Work together, talk together, pray together, be for each other instead of being against one another. Why? Until we start acting as one we will not go very far in life. In God I Trust. What about you.
EI am a retired Gysgtnter text right here!
WHY DONT SOME OF THESE WELL FUNDED FOOLS, AND YES I SAID FOOLS, GIVE UP SOME OF THERE BENIFITS? LORD HAVE MERCY WE SHALL HAVE NONE OF THAT. GIVE UP THERE HEALTH CARE AND START PAYING FOR IT, HAVE THERE RETIREMENT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF YEARS IN SERVICE, NO NONE OF THAT EITHER. MABY IF YOU DONT DO AS YOU PROMICED AND ARE NOT RE-ELECTED, WELL THERE GOES THE RETIREMENT PLAN!
I never would have thought that a many like McCain who gave so much for this country could turn is back on his brothers and sisters this way.
The congress has always been this way. It was designed tah way. There is actually a book that is required reading of all West Point cadets during their 2 year. It's about time we the PEOPLE WOKE UP!!!!!
tHIS BOOK ACTUALLY EXISTS AS "subversion AND ESPINOUGE DIRECTED AGAINT THE MILITARY.
FIND IT AND READ IT.
While changes are needed, it shouldn't be all on the backs of those who have "contracted services" with the government. We basically are losing our benifits that were part of a contract.
It is past time to overhaul the salaries and benifits of government. How many Billions would be saved if that happened. Just voting them out wouldn't solve the problem. They won't bring up a change like that for vote because it would never get enough votes to pass.
We vote them in an they crap right on our heads while they are walking all over the seniors and military retirees. The youngsters can't get a job that's not there so the answer is take from the seniors and retirees and create jobs for the youngsters.
What a SOCIALISTIC, one way bunch we have voted in!
This is for navig8tor who wrote the following: You know what gets me about military folks, both active duty AND retirees; no matter how much you get, u want more! What you have is never enough. I joined the military in 1986, and i remain on active duty to this day so i feel I am qualified to speak on the matter.
I joined in 1971 and feel that I too am qualifed on this matter. I don't understand your point. We're not asking for more. We just don't want to lose what we have. I haven't seen a cost of living allowance increase in two years. What was yours?
Things and times change. The government has overspent and now's the time we all have to pay up. Two hundred dollars a year for health care is reasonable. The promise of free lifetime healthcare was a promise based on past history – it was never in writing as part of a contract or statute. As for McCain, he has his opinion and I respect it, may not agree with it, but I'm not going to start calling him names.
I would like to see exactly what Sen McCain receive as VA compensation and medical military retirement for his 6 year POW time during the Vietnam war. Then add that to his possible future retirement pay from being a senator……
Time for Senator McCain to retire.
Congress do what your heart tells you do, You keep on messing with the military people, soon you will not have a military to protect you and your family, I can't wait until election time, we are goling to get rid of all you, (Rep & Dem) We have suffer for you and your family, Now you want to take away our benefits from us little at a time. I have no respect for our Rep's.
McCain needs to go home and play with his self. He is past his usefullness and to think I once voted for him. He is out of touch. Agree with others him and the rest need to clean their house before cleaning their neighbours.
Obama, McCain and all the other members of Congress are just looking out for themselves. They could care less about the middle class and blue collar people. They have theirs, and now they want ours. It's a crying shame WE have no real representation anymore. Its all about greed and power. Comments from a retired vet.
I wonder what McCain would recommend if he were on Tricare Prime? Also, what fool in his right mind would serve 20 plus years risking life and limb on the hopes that he or she will have anything left in their thrift savings account once the thieves on Wall Street have had their way with it. McCain has lost it. He should just move back to Vietnam.
WE THE RETIRED are the expendable group, and have always been. All the concern is the NOW military and their dependents
ITS TIME WE CUT BENIFITS AND PAY FROM OUR GOVERNMENT, I DON"T GET IT. WAKE UP AMERICA, IF I ACTED THE WAY THESE PEOPLE DO I WOULD BE FIRED. YET WE REWARD THEM. HMMMMMM I COULD"NT THINK OF A BETTER WAY TOO SAVE THIS COUNTRY SOME MONEY.
Sen Mccain, you have sold us out. All you thieves need to be voted out of office. I cannot believe what you are proposing. Why don't you first look to the cost of providing health care to illegals and take care of us VETS first. I cannot wait to vote every one of you out of office, including you mccain. I have lsot respect for you….
Sen. McCain is a idot!!!!!
Thank god McCain is retiring, he's totally out of touch w/the "little" people. This is the reason I vote and I research BEFORE I vote. There are many more losers in congress that are willing to stick it to us. We need to vote them out! This goes across party lines. Whenever the spenders(congress) need to save money they take it from those who can least afford it, people like me trying to live on service connected income.
McCain has always bragged about being a POW, how many others have had & have what this guy was given. he has never cared about the military everytime he gets the chance to shaft us he has and will.
Ret. SMSGT/USAF What is the matter with this guy? Doesn't he realize that the Military retired over age 65 all ready has the cost of Medicare B withheld from their Social Security payment each month just to be eligible for Tricare for Life? This far exceeds the monthly premiums that Military Retirees under 65 are expected to pay. To add an additional $200 a year charge is an insult to those who were promised medical care for life, not to mention the finiancial hardship it presents to their livelyhood.
Talk about a turn coat
There once was a time when I would encourage a young person to join the military. Not any more. I hope these changes create mass exodus from all branches. Then let the politicians be the ones that bleed
And if anyone should be ashamed, it very well should be you. Apparently you seem to forget that MANY of these vets DID NOT have the "transition assistance" type programs YOU take for granted these days. THESE same VETS you are bad mouthing are the same vets that belong to vet organizations that lobby congress to make YOUR RETIREMENT benefits much better than what THEY have or have not got in most cases. These same vets, with their greedy hands held out, are the same vets that pushed for your NEW GI BILL. They are the same vets that help put together care packages for the deployed troops serving today. You know those really nice FREE TO DEPLOYED MEMBERS CALLING CARDS, where the hell do you think those come from? Yep those greedy retired vets.
There should be a protest simular to the Occopy Wallstreet Protest to bring attention to the excesses of Congressional Benifits and perks. I believe this would truly make CNN, Fox, etc., and embarrass Congress and bring a laser focus on what is not widely publically talked about—the need and demand for changes in congressional benifits. If they consider themselves leaders, then they truly should lead by example or be forced to. How can they truly spout off comments about the national debt, cut programs and benifits for others and yet make no adjustments to the spending that supports their own interest ? Email your congressman / woman and just threaten to protest. This might help to evoke some changes in our favor.
WHY THREATEN? LETS MARCH ON D.C.
I retired in 2007. I have been on both sides of the fence. My service connected injuries have landed me 16 surgeries in 7 years. Posh is not something I would say MOST of these "greedy vets" as you spew, is the life style they live. MANY of them are NOT as well off as you seem to think.
And that 200 Dollars for Tricare is currently 460. That 200 bux is for tricare for life, which if you were not aware IS MANDATORY if you hope to draw your social security/medicare benefit. and keep your family insured. THAT chief is one of those little, bend you over, caviats THEY DON'T TELL YOU. You see bud, if you are Medicare Eligible, YOU MUST TAKE THAT as well as your TRICARE, because TRICARE is always 2ndary. IF YOU DONT pay for medicare, then you LOOSE YOUR TRICARE BENEFIT. So guess what, now you are paying twice. POSH is far from what I would call it.
Nice to be in charge….ain't it!
I am a widow for almost 15 years. My husband retired from the US Navy after putting 20 years in. I was told that I would be able to have continual medical benefits and Tricare Standard is my only medical insurance. I work full time just to pay bills and take care of my Mother in Law. I just barely get by and this person wants me to pay for my medical? Where will I get the money to do this? I am 57 yoa and cannot get my husbands retirement money until I am 65 yoa. When my Husband died I never remarried. Everything keeps going up in price except my paycheck. Obviously this person has not looked at the full picture of how this will effect all retirees, their families, and the widows that survived their husbands staying in for the full 20 years and dieing just 5 years after they retired. Just looking at the General Picture does not show all the results on how this would effect the military personal and their families during and after putting their 20 years of service in.
thats it; iaam on my way to n.y. to join in the protests on corp. greed; these people have no clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Senator McCain is a shell. He made himself look all that good over the border problem, got himself re-elected and now that he has it all, wants to cut benefits for the Tricare for Life people, who in no way can afford $200 a year to enroll in Tricare for Life. They have already raised the co-pay of prescriptions, and as they put it, "a slight raise in the co-pay." If a co-pay was $3, how is $5 slight? This government is strangling the elderly. The people who contributed the most to their wages, and benefits. What the hell is wrong with McCain? He is supposed to be such an authority on military. He is a loser, and should have never been re-elected. He is a shell. He kisses BO's AZZ all the time. All of these idealogs will have to stand before God one day and explain the things they did to hurt people, and don't plan on being saved from hell.
Shame on you John McCain. Can we charge you 200.00 enrollment fee also.Will you cut your Medical also. What happened to those promises? SHAME, SHAME
GENTLEMEN AND LADIES OF THE RETIRED MILITARY, OUR COUNTRY IS FULL OF CANCER, JUST LIKE THE THE SIDE OF JOHN MCCAINS FACE ONCE WAS. WE ALL TOOK AND OATH TO DEFEND THE NATION AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FORGIEN AND DOMESTIC. YOU PEOPLE HAVE ELECTED THE ENEMY… UNTIL OUR MILLITARY TAKES CONTROL OF THE BUNCH.. THIS IS WHAT YOUR GOING TO GET FROM NOW ON… SO DEAL WITH IT.
I would like to see these cutters live on $27000 a for 1 year as I do then see what they would want to cut or raise the price of.
These people make me so sick,they go about their days living the good life talking about how much can be saved by cutting and raiseing things on the poor as if they are doing something great.I wish it was a way that I could dislike people that that think way more than I do.
Who cares whether he is okay with it or not. He is not God. Get over yourself McCain.
I AM A REPUBLICAN IN ARIZONA AND RETIRED MILITARY. I KICK MY SELF IN THE BUTT FOR VOTING FOR MC CAIN. THAT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
McCain is nothing but a LIAR!!!!! He promised to support us IF he had been elected President! I knew it! Never had I ever heard a former POW suggest such nonsense. I am a 20 year retired permanently disabled vet and worked until I was carried off a job while fighting for my disablity. The shame of it is that the Army doctor UNDERLINED my disablity – and it still took FOUR YEARS! I lost my home and was on the street with my family. Thank You to all you dirty politicians! I still believe in GOD, but not in this COUNTRY; who can do these things to 20 year vets.
McCain has sold us out. Evidently he now owes his allegiance to a foreign power (Wall Street). Also I find the concept of having a person who has never spent a day in uniform making proposals as "commander-in-chief" that affect those of us who have served or are serving is a sick joke. That would include Clinton and W (who didn't live up to his rerserve obligations).
McCain should have never been reelected by his constituents, these people that put this senile POS back in office should be happy with what they now have!!!
We are the largest voting bloc in existence, unified, we can control whom governs our affairs….that's from the President down to the newest representatives. Let's put our act(s) together, and help to determine our own future. Remember, McClain was never one of us!
Senator McCain, Have you loss your mind ? Needless to say I thank God you were not elected Commander and Chief. Please note that if you new what I think of our present Commander and Chief you would understand my very low respect I have for you. < Retired USAF>
Why doesn't he try living on a budget like most of us vets do. He has sold us down the river. He has become a disgrace.
How about all Active Duty and Reserves stand down, see what will happen to the precious freedom these men and women fight and die for, only then will the protected ever realize what the meaning of Freedom really is, and the cost of lives it causes. McCain is a communist anyway, he was the only one that signed the North Vietnamese papers denounsing the The United States during the WAR in Vietnam, and another thing he has a great pension, what does he care about Veteran Benefits. We need to put him and Jane Fonda together, they make a great pair of American Communist.
McCain has been a closet democrat all along!
For a vet and former POW what has gotten into him. I agree. All of congress should be on Social Security, have the same medical we all have and cut their pay down to what normal people get. They are overpaid for the job we elect them to do. They only think of their own pocket and what BIG BUSINESS gives them. It is just all for them and screw us as we have just seen with the jobs bill.
McCain, I never thought you would turn on us. How about overhauling the House and Senate's pay and benefits before you start reaching for ours. What a slap in the face…unbelievable.
Here we are, the 1% that protect the 99% getting fked over again.
I am at a loss for words on this one. We set our lives, though we did it freely, aside for our country and then to have him (as a vet) turn on us without saying those in congress should pay for their own and then some as a cost cutting measure, it is total BS!!! He may be a POW and a VET but he has totally lost touch with anyone. We enlisted with the promise of the benefits we have and then to have them stripped away because it costs too much….I am pissed!! We get F'ed everytime cause the high and mighty feel we arent due. I will say this again, this government would not be in place if it were not for us and I would be willing to bet that if former (and god forbid current) vets were to stand against it they would change their tune. R
Another striking example of the greed, self-serving, self-ENTITLED quizlings we have placed in office."The congress will enact no provision for the citizen which does not affect the congress equally" Perhaps not an exact quote but close enough to indicate what the founding fathers of this country forsaw as good and lawful government. After 28 years of service and two years "on retainer" I actually recieved a retirement. I saw action in Viet Nam, "Desert Shield, Desert Storm, Iraqi Freedom and a couple other fiasco's our good polititions decided were good for us. (Broken service for you who are counting the years in the timespan I cover. Now some snotty nosed senator who never placed him(her) self in more hazzardous or arduous situations than crossing Pensylvania ave. or using the correct tableware at a fundraiser (usually to beg money for another term, who gets BETTER careaand retirement after only TWO YEARS tells me My benefits need to be cut. GO FIGURE
McCain, I served 4 years active and 29 years reserve time and in the middle of all that I served 30 years on the Philadelphia Police department and you say its ok to take our benefits away, all I have to say to you Mr McCain is shame on you.
After reading many of the responses, I support the idea that if and when the politicians restructure their benefits and retirement, then and only then should they have a say for our benefits. I understand McCain was a POW and I respect that more than most can feel, but right now, he appears to be doing what most polictians do best, that is take away everything that we were promised as military veterans/retirees, but he is making sure he gets his lifelong benefits for sitting in a public office to respresent the American citizen, which appears lately to be the last item on their agenda. Senators and congressmen seem to have an untouchable list of benefits. Maybe they should put their benefits on the ballot and see how the American people feel and vote on that.
Senator McCain and all the Policitians need to take a 39% pay cut plus cutting their benefits and other perks they get. When they do this and stop the huge corporations from stealing the hard earned money of those who make the money for these corporations and allow the Military who serve for 20+ years to earn what they get then I will listen to him cutting my medical benefits and changing our retirement. I served 24 years and along with my fellow retirees are entitled to what we earned when we retired nothing less. Those serving never know if they will be sent on a mission of war and if so whether they will return to their families and friends. Where does the real pay cuts need to start? In WASHINGTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I for one spent my twenty-four years doing a good job.For things that I was promised once it was completed. The paper I signed and agreed upon I still have. It will be my duty to see you will abide your promise, it is time all veterans start our march to D.C. and stop this from happen anymore.
Dumb, Stupid, Ignorant, and any other words you can think of. The problem is folks, McCain ain't gonna read these comments. If I understand things right, we can't vote him out cause he is gonna quit. (Some would call that being chicken-shit). We are a captive audience when it comes to government policy changes and decisions. We blindly put them in there, thinking they would take care of those that need when the only damn thing they're taking care of is there own butts and pocketbooks. Bottom line, we ain't gonna have a government "For The People" until we can elect someone from the street that has been there. The ones in office now sure as hell don't know what is gong on outside their little protected offices. I am beginning to understand why there is so much security around Washington and our elected officials. They need all the protection they can get because of their stupid thoughts.
Why is it when we need to make budget cuts the first place they come is to the military. Don’t see anyone talking about how a service member has to serve their country for 20 years before they can recieve a pension and the high ranking officails in congress only have to serve one term and recieve their entire salary for the rest of there life. Why is the president better than a serve member sacrificing there life for are freedom the firsts we take away from or ack mpore from. How about we make this fair. Someone else in the government take cuts to their entitlements.
Senator McCain is a disgrace to his record and should be ignored when a vote for his idea comes up. He is hurting a whole group of deserving vets and widows who can not afford to lose what was promised them as they are already
on very fixed incomes and these increases will put many many in a position where they will be unable to buy food ord have medical care. Do we need to add to the welfare rolls? Let us see some common sense ,better budgeting by the big
spenders in DC. TAKE CARE OF OUR VETS AND THEIR FAMILIES AS PROMISED!
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!!!!! MCCAIN IS NOTHING BUT YOUR TYPICAL POLITICAN…HE COULD CARELESS ABOUT THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED AND STILL SERVE TODAY. HAS HE FORGOTTEN WHAT HIS VIET NAM BROTHERS AND SISTER WENT THROUGH AND STILL SUFFER FROM TO THIS DAY…HE IS A TURNCOAT TRIED AND TRUE!!!!!!!!! FILTHY POLOTICIAN!!!!!
I did 26 years in the Air Force. At 65 my wife and I had to subscribe to Medicare or loose tricare. That was a $2400.00 hit. Our Tricare prime was $320.00. for both of us. That went away at 65 and saved part of the Medicare
payment. Now it seems the powers that be want have us pay what we
paid for tricare prime but add an addition $80.00 for the privilege of using them as a supplemental insurance to medicare. Not as a primary. All of a sudden our medical went from $320.00 a year to $2800.00 a year. When you live on SSI and a military retirement $3000.00 is a major hit, Bottom line I have had to go back to work to pay for our insurance. How many more are out there just like me. 70 years old and force to go back to work.
This makes me sick…my husband and I gave 20 yrs of our lives to this country. Yes, He was the one in the military, but I was the one home waiting, taking care of his children and abiding by all the rules and regulations of the military along with my husband. He was promised that if he served 20 yrs he and his spouse would be taken care of by way of medical coverage for life. I consider this to be breach of contract…..my husband died four years ago believing that if anything happened to him I would at least have medical care. I agree with all who suggest those in office serve this country for 20 yrs before receiving ANY BENEFITS AT ALL! Cut their pays and benefits first, then come talk to me about cutting medical care or requiring me to pay for care. Shame on the fool and his cohorts who are running this government…SHAME!!!
As a retiree I could hold my nose and live with changes to the system affecting NEW enlistees, but where the hell is Obama lite coming from wanting to change the rules for those of us who have been retired 15+ years! Oh, that's right – he IS Obama lite! Surprised he didn't become the Obamunist's SecDef. Congress could save a sh**load of money by cutting their staffs, putting themselves on 401K programs while in office – NO lifetime pensions – put themselves on SS and the same kind of medical they expect us to live with…in short – become "one of the people"!
He don’t care and any others Reppresentative or senators.they just
Care that we put then in those positions. Making emptie promises.
They don’t care about us. They sleep real good. When we gave our
Live for our country. And the little that we get,they want to take away.
McCain is the first one to be against us.HE JUST DON’T CARE.
Write Sen McCain and let him know how you feel about his decision to reverse his viewpoints on this!
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAct…
McCain feels good about calling himself a Captain??? Now he is a Senator and has all the benefits of a Congress Politician – he doesn't need the military benefits – NOR does he need the title Captain USN Ret..
I guess he forgot what is taught in the USNA much less what he learned in the squadron and subsequent stay in Hanoi Hilton. He should stay a senator in DC because I'd puke on his shoes if I see him here in Arizona.
All references to John McCain posted at the USNA should be shrouded in black as the man we once knew is definitely no more… He will never get a salute from me anymore.
HE is also a retired 4(count em, 1, 2, 3, 4)star Admiral, currently sucking the life blood out of the system that he supported while being a prisoner of war…..its hard to believe that after Viet Nam, everyone talked about what a hero this individual was for enduring captivity for an extended period of time……do we need to put you back into a prisoner of war status to make you realize that the military has and will always be the forefront of what freedoms this country now celebrate……being a POW is not fun……..but it teaches humility………….remember that John or Admiral or SIR……..whatever your true status is now
No, that was his father. He is a retired O-6 (Navy Captain).
GIVE ME A BREAK! Or maybe I should say US!! ALL or almost all politicians want to constantly take away from the Military. Why is that? We were ALL promised a retirement after the 20 yrs that we have served our great nation. Also we were promised healthcare for the rest of ours and our spouses lives! Why is there constantly threats to that? Like someone said above before you think about taking from us why dont you think about taking some from yourself! No more high wages, no more big raises, no more expensive vacations on tax payer money, no more great medical, and no more life retirement for you and your spouses. Since you all think we in the military have it so damn great why dont you come and join our club!!! Oh and like us in the military if our spouse dies the living spouse no longer receives their retirement unless we pay 100 dollars a month for most of our life and then that just to get 50% of it! So how about we leave the Military benefits alone and quite taking from the men and women who have fought so hard to protect you all and everyone else in this great land. Not only does it affect the Military member but also their spouse and in some cases their children too.
Any young person that is thinking about joining any of the military services need to have a thorough psych exam. Whenever the politicians want to cut costs on anythin, the first people that they look to screw is the military. Our service members are willing to go to a foreign country, because the United States can't keep their nose out of other peoples business, and give their lives and this is how our country repays that loyalty, by screwing them out of their benefits and pay When are the citizens of the United States going to wake up and stop going to the polls and voting these money hungry clowns into office. If we would stop voting we would quickly get the attention of these, so called, public servants!!!
I will agree with Sen. McCain as soon as he and Bernanke and Barney Frank and Chris Dod can tell the citizens of this country where $700 Billion went in the bailout of the Banks [that now want $5 for every ATM transaction] and the Bond Houses.
In the first week after the bailout, Bernanke was asked to name the banks where the $700 beillion went. He said,"I don't know." Then he added, "It's complicated."
I am flabbergasted that a decorated POW would offer up the pension and disability money of Veterans before he would chase down and recover all the missing money. McCain apparently has a higher loyalty to preserving the oligopoly that runs DC and Our Economy than he does to those of us who bled so that they could get wealthy. Disappointing. Out of Character.
P*ss Poor.
Of course McCain doesn't care . . . he's got everything he needs and has married a rich woman. Thanks for your support Joh,.
Politicians SUCK, they should have to abide by the same time lines we retired military do. 20 years gets you basic medical. These idiots are breaking the bank with their retirement benefits………WHY?????????????
We can all sit here and talk all we want on these blogs. But until we all get together and let our selfs be seen and heard in Washington DC, it is not going to do any good. We all need to go to Washington and damand the benefits that have been promised to us. Do you think for one min that congress cares about what we write here on this blog, they proble dont even read this. No one but us vets know what we went thru for 20 years. NO ONE IS GOING TO FIGHT FOR US BUT US. It is time we stand up for our selfs.
I used to admire McCain. I even voted for him for President. That was my big mistake. I no longer have any respect for him.
i like sen mccain recomending we get cut and charged more. Maybe he thinks we all have the same benfits that he gets in cingress or maybe we are all married to a woman with money. What fantacy world does he live in
Mcain wants to do what? When I enlisted the retirement benefits and pay were the promise made to us for 20 years faithful service, PERIOD. So now the govt. and mcain want to modify it and try to renege on an agreement that we honored with our lives and sacrifices? HE DEFINITELY AND OTHERS THAT THINK LIKE HIM NEED TO GO!!!
Well, I just emailed him.
I sure hope he understands how outrageous this is.
Shame Shame
I don-t under stand where McCaine is comming from , altho it want hurt him like it will the rest of us that is retired. So go aheat cut us retires throught.
I see that McCain has reverted back to his liberal self now that he has been elected again. We voters in Arizona just never learn that he is a liberal not a conservative. It wasn't for no reason that Ted Kennedy caleed McCain his goof friend.
All I say about this mess is I knew from day one what would happen if Obama was ever our president. He totally ignors the will of the majority of the people. Why Americans allow this is beyond me. As fare as I am concerned Nixon did nothing compared to this presdent. This is just the beginning of what coming. Retired Marine 25 years of service. Never like McCain anyway being a POW dosent make anyone a hero in Marine beliefs.
Don't understand the coments that McCain is a RINO. Contrary to what Rush and all the FOX flag wavers say, the Republicans duty is to cut taxes for the wealthy and reduce benefis for the rest of us so the budget is balanced. From Rush on down none have served a day in the military. They all think Social Security, medicare and Tricare should all be cut too. Y'all remind me of the teabaggers who want the government to go away, but "keep your hands off my Social Security and Medicare." You can't have it both ways. If you vote to have the Republicans in office you will have cuts in all these programs and even military pension cuts too. So when you vote, there are consequences. They will thank you for your service but when it comes to pay you for your service they have taken a tax pledge that overrides any logic.
It is a sad day when a "military hero" sells out his military followers. I even voted for him in last election. I have spent my entire adult life dedicated to the military. I think it is shame that these people "in charge" want to take away more of our rights and benefits. When are they going to start cutting back on their own benefits? Everyone should take the time to send a letter to their congressmen. It seem the military professional is a dying breed. By this I mean that the politicians are slowing killing us off through their budget cuts. What happened to a promise meaning something? I stayed on active duty for 21 years looking forward to the benefits I had earned. I really hate being made a fool and have things given to me only to have them taken away.
Our country is lost, just give it up, soon our politicians , who have done NOTHING for HUGE amounts of money and retirement benefits, will break the bank. I hope, I see in my day, the end of all politicians benefits. You need to EARN WHAT YOU GET, LIKE WE DID…..f-ing LOSERS.
Why doesnt he propose cutting the benefits for current & former members of Congress? Last I checked, very few of them get shipped to war zones. They keep trying to compare civilian pay to military, but fail to compare the job descriptions.
McCain needs to give up his retired benifits before cutting ours.For most of us retired Enlisted, this is all we have, and most of us are unemployed. I am a disabled vet with three children under 11 years old. I have been out of work for seven years. I am well educated, over 50 and madd as hell with Washington.
I think Mcain has spent to much time out in the sun.
Why doesn't our govt start taking some of the benefits away from those that live on welfare and food stamps? My ex wife gets $330 each month for food stamps and she buys nice meals and entertains her friends. lol. She also receives 100% free healthcare with medicaid. No copay no nothing. The whole system is a damn joke…and folks wonder why these people never get a job or get off the govt system.
McCain did you sever in the Military ? And were you injured ?And do you carry a disabltiy from serving in the Military IF YES Then what the HELL are you thinking,
Iv'e served over 20 good years for this country, and I would do it again if I could. Because I love this country, and I think all these Retired and Vets fill the same as I do.
I think all these Politicians should sever 10 years in the armed forces before they take a Office . they will have more respect for all the Vets, and Retired for what they have done for there COUNTRY. McCain please don't give in.You are the back bone to helping the Military You where their, don't get into some one back pocket because they need you, Do it for your COUNTRY and all the retired and military Vets
Mccain was in Hanoi Hilton for a number of years (shot down) – retired Navy Captain – O6 – went to the Naval Academy
The rich run the country… the poor take it in the ass…
The rich run for office and win because they have money to throw away on a position that does not pay anywhere near what they spend to get the position… go figure… (corporate corrupt money passed from open hand to open hand)
Maybe if we require that anyone who wants to run for public office must have done their time in the military… to understand the sacrifices we and our families make.
I never thought I would see the day that our country shit on it's military so much, all at once, and by men and women who supposedly served proudly… (I for one think that McCain is a traitorous, commie ass kissing SON OF A B…. that should be tried for treason under the UCMJ… for colaborating with the enemy in a time of war…
For most of us, the pension is barley enough to make a mortgage payment, without the medical coverage and base privileges… what do we have except our pride and self respect, for our service…
They serve on term (2 years) and get full med and pension for life… and it is a damn sight better than ours…
RMC, USCG (Ret)
Just where are elderly retirees to find this money … this guy is out of touch with reality … Does he think, retirees are wealthy? Cut his income or make him pay for the free stuff he get now and I bet he'll change his mind real quick.
We worked for and earned our retirement … now they want to put the screws to us… USAF/USCG RET.
You idiots deserve everything you get…as a veteran I have watched you iodiots keep voting this sissy McCain in to office over and over….now its time to reap what you sow. The fact that you deemed him a hero for getting shot down because he was a daddys boy and couldn't fly. He is and has been a homo all his life hence the Navy (that goes for you jarheads too)….Thats the militarys gay dumping ground. Thanks again Navy for another sissy punk like John Ferry…im mean Kerry. Keep voting idiots you will end up with the government you deserve. Go Air Force!!!
If I had a Senator's retirement I would agree with Senator McTurncoat. But since I don't I would recommend he impose a cut on the Senators benifits. Then they would only be breaking a promise to themselves.
I think it's time that Mcain should be thrown to the wolves & all of his benefits be taken away.This just showes that he is a coward & only thinking about selfish self.
Again Uncle Sam put it to the vet's that some gave and some of them gave there all! Should we have a MARCH on Wasington as the WW I vet had to do to some of our rights back? When I joined in 1968 they said if you stay for 20 all will be payed, retirement pay and medical for life and we won't have to pay. Now they want to fork us again.
The Senator from Arizona has lost is ever loving mind. Why do the retiree's/military men and woman get thrown under every cut that comes down the pipe, but the 1% who have every person in Congress standing up for them and defending their right to keep what they earned, but I can't keep what I earned, what I was promised, and what I and my family sacrificed for. We have some Senator's coming through Missouri in the next few days, I want to see what they have to say to my face, when I ask them if they support this.
Cut retiree bennies my a–. Lets begin cuts with congressional salaries & benefits; cut the National Endowment for the Arts; cut National Endowment for the Humanities; cut the State Dept., monies that are helping Egypt redo the sewer system in Cairo. There is a myriad of wastful spending those boobs in Washington can cut before getting to military benefits.
It saddens me, to know that they are thinking about cutting military spending. I am a veteran and wife of an army retiree who gave over 20 years in the military and you want to strip him of his benefits. McCain sit up there with his rich wife and big paycheck. Never forget where you come from and how your bread is buttered…Cut the services of congress and the senate first… You have young men dying and losing Limbs and getting paid peanuts ,you divided what they make a month with the hours they work and they are under paid and over worked and unappreciated…
we signed a contract w/the govt.(armed forces)we were guarnteed lifetime
healthcare,if they breach the contract we should get a battery of lawyers and sue the u.s. govt.and throw out of office the jerks who support this assinine
bill to change things.and while we are at it throw obama out of office as well..
All I can say is that November 2012 is not far away. Watch how you vote. The people that have been in the same office for years are the ones selling us down the tubes and we keep electing them. Time for a CHANGE. Imagine what it would be like if 75% of the incumbent wlost their seats to new 1st termers. Remember, Obama said It's time for change, he just failed to mention which way the changes would be.
Remember The Gray Panthers? Most of us military retirees are now the Gray Panthers of yesteryear. If the veterans and military retirees would unite WE could control the next election. It is time WE organize and get what belongs to us. Chief USN (Ret)
McCain grew a pair and cut all the benefits that you are to give to the illegals.
Sure Senator John McCain is OK with cuts to military benefits, after all, his father, Admiral John McCain was one of the Admirals who allowed the slaughter of the 34 U.S. Navy sailors on board the USS Liberty back in June 1967, when the Israelis launched an unprovoked attack by sea and air on the Liberty which nearly had her sunk. The Liberty was an unarmed intelligence gathering ship which was in International waters when Israel was involved in their seven day war against Egypt. They also wounded over 140 other sailors on board the Liberty. Just another of many False Flag attacks in hopes of getting the U.S. Military involved in their wars, just like 9/11. Senator McCain is a fraud!
Only after Congress trims their benefits—IT IS TIME FOR THE MILITARY TO UNIONIZE. If they want to create a mess lets take it to them. Washington cannot be trusted–Time to screw with them and their prtected status
Armed services members have and still sacrafice life and limb for the citizens of this country. It's a puzzel that they are unwilling to sacrafice a few dollars for them. The truth is our work force is to small to support all benefits. It is only fair that all citizens contribute someway in reducing the national debt. Think of it as priming the pump for a better tomorrow. I am a reciever of benefits too.
Maybe we should start a grassroots protest, We could maybe camp out on the Pentagons lawn………..
McCain has sold out we who have served with our blood ad sweat to protect this country. I think McCain needs to look at what his benefits are costing us first.
McCain looks like the picture of a sleeze ball that is in the dictionary, shiftless and can't look you in the face. Who are the idiots who keep voting this garbage into office….????
Mc Cain supporting Obama on this; that is just too much….
well…, whatelse would you expect from McLame? There should be a whole lot of people in congress & the senate that certainly should have theri pay & bennies cut immediately.
Time for the senile RINO to go. Arizonians, and Veterans, let's move the centrist into retirement.
Than, once he is moved into retirement, let propose cuts to his federal health care and other benefits.
Bet he wouldnt like that, would he.
OK guys.. I am a DIE HARD Independant Republician. That means I generally vote Republician but do not like all the rhetoric or nasty bs both sides put out. I did 26.5 years active. am 100% disabled vet. I live by a base I use the Military Hospital as my primary care. I pay NOTHING for Tricare for life and under $100/month for Medicare. IF I gotta pay an additional $200/YEAR to maintain the quality of my health care. OUTSTANDING I am all for it. Rather that than reduce my access!
A good friend of mine is disabled with MS she has NO retirement or VA benefits and CAN NOT GET HER MEDS AT all. over $100/month for meds so all you VETS SHUT it a bit and support our country a bit more and suck it up!
Wow; he must be on drugs!!! Always knew he was a reformed liberal.
HER MEDS are over $1000 a month TYPO
We must make sure that we tell our children how the Military retirees are treated. We don't want them to make the same mistakes we made. All I heard when I was in Military is that we live by a Code of Honor and Integrity. What a joke! Where is the Honor and Integrity in Lying to people to get them to commit and then cheat them out of their benefits. I kept my side of the bargain.
I voted for McCain and now I'm ashamed. Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate theat issued a letter to Obama opposing any cuts to Veterans' benefits that can be seen at his website or if you search for it. His new budget proposal makes zero cuts to Veterans' benefits or actual defense only foreign militarism and nation building in the middle east.
McCain…… do NOT change your mind about running again! You will LOSE! In fact, I recommend that you move to another state….. like Illinois so you can live next to that thing in the whitehouse you just sloppily kissed!
McCain is a progressive, Just like most of the other politicians. He'd throw his Mother under the bus for the "cause". I have always honored McCain for what he endured during his POW days, now not so much. What a sorry state this country is in, when troops that offered the supreme sacrafice, are now being taken to the Government cleaners. We've all been through worse, just be ready to serve again if necessary "Lock and Load".
Part I.
As a country we've done far too many things in the past that we couldn't sustain. Now, when times are tough we need to undo some of the excesses and reckless spending of the past. This does not include military retirement, social security and the associated medical benefits. It does however include the ridiculous retirement programs of the politicians as well as other "pork" spending practices.
I am an army veteran of 39 years of service and worked my but off to maintain
wheels,tracks,radiio,trailers in tip top shape to make sure that all equipment
was ready for full operation.
Developed hypertension, alot of precriptions prescribed and at present I am on a dialysis program awaiting for a kidney transplant.Senator McCain should know better than put us in a bind.Polititions should suffer also.
Part II.
When it gets right down to it I'm more than willing to do my share but, I have earned every penny of my military retirement and the minuscule benefit package that is now under attack. Somehow we've got to get together and make it loud and clear that we won't tolerate these power hungry politicians that obviously only care about themselves.
I can't readily think of a single politician that really needs a retirement and/or a benefit package for political service. Most of these people are independently wealthy, have businesses and/or other holdings that provide an abundance of wealth.
Recommend we take "all" their benefits away. This would separate the real patriots from the pretenders and we would finally get the people in office that really care about our country instead of themselves!
I FEEL IT IS TIME TO TAKE MY MILITARY RETIREMENT PAY WHICH IS NOT ENOUGH TO SURVIVE IN THE STATES AND MOVE TO SOME ANOTHER COUNTRY WHERE THIS SMALL AMOUNT OF PAY WILL ALLOW ME TO LIVE A GOOD LIFE…
I HAVE A FRIEND WHO MOVED TO THE PHILIPPINES AND HE LIVES LIKE A KING WITH A HOUSE, GOOD FOOD, GREAT WEATHER, CHEAP MEDICAL COVERAGE AND HE RETURNS TO THE USA ONCE A YEAR FOR 24 -48
HOURS TO FILE INCOME TAXES AND KEEP HIS CITIZENSHIP.
(IMPACT OF ME MOVING )
WHEN I LEAVE THE STATES I TAKE WITH ME MONEY I NORMALLY SPEND HERE FOR SALES TAX, FUEL TAX, PROPERTY TAX, PHONE TAX, TV TAX,. AND MONEY THAT I WOULD HAVE SPENT ON CLOTHES, FOOD, VEHICLE PLATES AND INSURANCE, ECT.. I CAN LIVE IN THE PHILIPPINES FOR LESS THAN $900.00 PER MONTH AND HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER… IF I STAY IN THE STATES SOON INFLATION .. RISE IN TAXES AND THE COST OF THINGS LIKE UTILITIES WILL TAKE ALL MY PAY AND MORE.. I AM A PROUD AMERICAN BUT MY FIRST DUTY IS TO MYSELF AND TO SURVIVE
McCain……try to live on what ordinary vets and people live on. If he did he'd increase pensions and comp for all war heroes. McCain and all the other politians haven't a clue……….they're millionares. We have to all pull together the backbone of America the 99% hit the streets…………they will not stop, because they do not care. We are the true patriots the givers not the takers. It is about time the takers give something to America.
What a great venue to express our feelings on McCain's latest back door effort. It's a shame that he will not read any of our comments. If were looking for a legislator with a heart I think it is a lost cause. Once a second class citizen always a second class citizen. The proverbial crap rolling downhill.
As a Retired Korean War Veteran, I have been told that the Grandfather Law will cover us that are already Retired, but like all Government Programs, only time will tell.
It would appear that the Honorable Sen. has forgotten his military roots if this information is correct. He should remember that military members are legal residents of this nation, who made a choice to stand and defend this nation and accepted the risks to life, limb and family in doing so. His personal history and POW status sould be more than enough to disuade him from even considering such actions.
Besides the promises we were promised for services rendered for protecting our country being broken, AGAIN, the way things are going, picking AGAIN on the military men and women and retirees at such a difficult, potentially inflammatory and chaotic time in America's history, is probably not a good idea.
There are hundreds of free federal handouts programs in this country that should be cut before earned and promised pay and benefits are stolen away. I can think of one, the billions of dollars of benfits spent nationally for illegal aliens, just to name one large drain hole.
Nevertheless, If I were in charge, or a wise senator or congressman, the last people's benefits I would want to cut is our trained warriors. But that is just me thinking.
Is this all that McCain has to offer up to the budget committee to be cut? Being retired military and for the love of my country I am willing to take a cut in benefits BUT NOT BEFORE Congress take a cut in pay and benefits first and absolutely no monies in aid to other countries and no monies of any kind to benefit illegal immigrants. When Congress offers that I'm sure there would be millions of retirees willing to accept some cuts. I pray that our big military "hero" has no plans for re-election.
I can't believe that Mc Cain would pull this underhanded stunt!!! If he wants to cut some Medical expenses…try his own and the other politicians before he chops ours! Looks like we Vets have to stay together and get these kind of back-water snipes out of office!!
McCain does not have a problem cutting from the regular too lower middle class but I never see going after his rich buddies.
I hope they figure this out before January 2013. That is when I am due to re enlist. At that time I will have 12 years of service completed. I'll be damned if I will serve another day for this country if this happens. I am so dis heartened by the people that are running our government. They are destroying our country. They call McCain a RINO? I got a new one for him and all of these other incompetent people that are destroying our nation, AINO (American In Name Only). These fools can't even balance a checkbook like every other American household has to do.
Un-Freakin-Believable.
McCain never had a clue… born with a silver shovel in his mouth, his only constituents are the rich fat cats and corporations that he and his ilk hobnob with. Don't look for any support from him… check out his record on the MIA and POW issues.
The documentary "Missing, Presumed Dead the Search for America's POWs" focuses on Senator John McCain successfully blocking the release of classified POW/MIA documents.
See also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g
A Vietnam Veteran against McCain.
EVERY THING IN THIS COUNTRY IS GOING BACK NOT FORWARD. I THINK THEY SHOULD GO HOME AND STAY.
give the service men/weman they benfits they was promis. they are the one who made it safe for the all of us who didn,t servre.wake up you a.h. lol
I’ve got one more thing to add to my previous comment. It seems HE, being a vet himself, do not serve 20 years plus just for benefits and a pension. We served because we believed in and cherished our country and way of life , giving our lives if necessary for those beliefs. Maybe he needs to take a walk around Arlington and look at the headstones of all of our fallen comrades who would be just as outraged as we are about his recommendation. We were part of the 1% of the population that defended this country and our way of life and HE of all people should remember that fact! Lord knows he had plenty of time to think about it when he was a POW.
McCain, boy I am sure glad now that he wasn't elected as president. Retire McCain and enjoy all those bennies, also I bet he is rated 100% disable by the VA.
You shouldn't get so mad at mcCain he must have beginning alziemers. He could care less about us he has his already and his wife is filthy rich. Just another of the rich getting richer off the backs of the peop;le who have nothing. I have never demonstrated before but I am putting my fatigues on and am ready for war . Why not if they take the little bit that I worked so hard for what the hell do I have to lose?
bill clinton started this whole mess when his administration started this tricare bullst. those of us who served 20+years of our lives in the military because we were promised that our government would take care of us for the rest of our lives. and why does obama and the back stabing mccain won’t to screw with retirees and the rest of the military. you all see it,there is noone out there for the veteran or active duty. the government officials and obamaaaaaa need to cut their benefits. they’re the ones making the big bucks.
I voted for the man. The result is the same regardless of the elected president. He has his military, congressional and any prisoner of war benefits assured. That is if he makes sure the military does not skim any of that. At one time I respected the man.
My husband susrved his country proudly and willingly for 33 years. He has now passed away and I am a military widow and a very proud one! It is shameful what Congress and McCain are trying to do to these brave men and women! Let them start by cutting out all of their perks and lifetime benefits athat they really have not earned!! Have they faced war? Seen the horrors that our couragous men and women have seen and still see today?? How dare they put the military retirees down the tubes to save their own benefits!! How dare they think they deserve all the perks for life when they have not been seperated from their families during wartime, but take away the well earned, and I must say, meager retired pay and medical benefits!! What happened to the promises that were made to the military when they signed up? Let's get real–we have our military scattered all over the world, spread out everywhere and even in places where we are not wanted. This is just so unfair that it reeks of greed and pure selfishness on the part of Congress. And Mc Cain–once a military man– this is a true beatrayal and stab in the back to the entire military community and you shoud be very ashamed.
Proud Military Widow
mccain sold us out. i would never have thought he would do that to us. obama said he would never let this happen to us, he said that on september 5th 2011, i have the quote. again, he lied. and mccain, well, he must be getting scenile and so old he can't think straight anymore. it's a good thing this is his last term. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS AND AMERICA!!!!!!!!!
Shame on you, Senator….shame on you.
I can't believe our congressmen are considering cutting retired military benefits once again. We served our 20 years or more for this great country with the promise that ourselves and our families would be medically taken care of for the rest of our life. We spent many months away from our families in combat and supporting roles when others did not want anything to do with the military. Many of my friends said they wished they had our retirement benefits, when the fact is they couldn't hack the military life and got out early. We served proudly and with no regret. At least let us keep our benefits we earned.
Never liked McCain and now I really dislike him. I just hope that they start cutting his pay first.
I am truly sorry that i ever voted for John Mc cain , i will never support him in any way ever again. the sooner he is gone the better. just another breason
why i have switched from republican to independent
As I write this I no longer respect senator McCain for he has sold the military men and women down the drain, he really doesn’t care about what kind of medical care we get in our older years or the people returning from the war we are fighting now; because he has all him medical bill paid for by the same people he’s trying to shaft and screw. Well, senator McCain I will say this to you some day in the future you will have to answer for what your are doing now. I voted for this clown in the last election now I’m sorry I done that. This dinosaur is part of the problem that plagues this country. I hate to say this about a person what was a POW during the Vietnam was, but he seems to have forgot what we were fighting for in those days. I hope he lives long enough to see this country go down the drain because of him and his fellow idiots in Washington. I used to respect this man, but that has gone by the way side like a lot of other things in t his country in the last few years
Republican and Democrat alike are using the military. Your just all fools enough to think 50 Senators and a few hundred Congressmen really give a flying flip about you. They will use you up and spit you out. How many of your sissy generals are standing up for you? None because they are weak little sissy boyswho are using the soldiers also. Your leadership sold you out decades ago. Ever since Korean War, they military leadership and elected officilas are nothing but fakes and thieves. You career military people are pathetic, you never worked to make a profit, but you think you deserve everything.
I forgot to mention most of them were draft dodgers Cheney and all the Vietnam era silver spooned cowards who have all the money. They sent our Young heroes to die for no reason…….just like Vietnam
McCain is the new Jane Fonda to those who served in the Military. I agree that he should burn in hell for what he wants to do to us retired service members.
I sure regret voting for him here in AZ.
George Couts US ARMY Retire,
It's easy for McCain to say with all his money, I guess he has forgotten where he came from and who put him where he is. It is time for him to back off. He no longer represents the wishes of those who elected him. This is just another example of the Federal Government deciding that they will cut true entitlements, that were promised to those who served, so that they can continue to give more benefits to those who have done nothing but suck on the government teat pleading poverty after a life of doing nothing. Apparently McCain favors this course of action. He cheapens himself disgracefully.
Mr McCain, take another look.!!!
I don't concur with the majority of the comments I have read. I am a 100% Army disabled Vet. My contention is that if we overload ourselves with debt then we should be willing to help what we can. However, before the pages start flaming let me finish my opinion. I think if one person is willing to right the debt that has been bestowed upon us the entire rank and file of every government employee should be given the same treatment. We didn't incur the debt but I think as an honorable american we should think about a few things that got us where we are.
No one complained when tax rebates werre distributed. No one complained when the income taxes were lowered. No one complained about the deficit for Iraq and afghanistan when it wasn't affecting them directly. I have always said all for one and one for all. Now it is time to implement that old slogan and get ourselves out of ths mess. A consolidated effort by all, not by branch or department.
How can McCain have forgotten the torture the gooks dealt out to him? I guess when you go from operator to Senator the old rose colored glasses come out since you're taken care of for life and the hell with your shipmates, especially the enlisted pukes who survived on virtually no money at all when they were active. I remember the year he came home: I was a second class MM over 4 with wife and kid, sea pay, and love rats, and I took home $478.00 a month. I depend on Tricare. If I have to pay $200.00 a month, I guess I will do it, since I'm used to being screwed. It just isn't right. BOHICA.
Let's cut the benefits for Congress. They should have NO retirement. Congress is not supposed to be a career.
Why not stop waging undeclared wars around the world? That would save a trillion or two. Oh I forgot, a lot of money is being made on those wars.
Once these criminals start charging us for our earned benefits like TRICARE, it will go up every years. We need to stop this right now.
Military personnel are the greatest asset this nation has. Politicians are the biggest asses.
RON PAUL in 2012!
This is the third time of trying to put my opinion here and I keep getting deleted before I can finish. I have to wonder how much the goverment is controlling this also. My husband gave up 24yrs. of his life to protect this country. Once again we are getting screwed! It disgusts me to see this travesty happen to our vets that gave their life to their country. My husband has suffered from PTSD and has been battling stage 4 throat cancer and was denied 100% unemploybility because they say his cancer is not service related even though he was exposed to agent orange and many other chemicals while he was in the service. He is 57 yrs. old and has been told he will never swallow again, he has a permanent trach and feeding tube.He never smoked and hardly ever drank so they can't blame it on that. But they won't see the obvious. I'm am so saddened to
see this happen to our service members and their families. I think congress and senators need to give some of their pay and benefits up to help the country's budget. And oh yeah what about President Obama! If we keep this up retirees will have no benefits left.
they must be getting to do pay cuts for the head shed, another in side trader,i donot expect anything less, after all we put someone in the head shed with no experience,,based on his race and what a fine job he has done, i believe we should do this again, but this time lets put a real rag head in the head shed, not a fake one that changed his name from berry to barak obama.yes his mother is a white or so she clames. they fail to lay clame to that side of mr o rag head, can,t say i blame them.true to his race hes pointing the finger for all the great things he,s done ,not for this nation ,but to it, YES WE CAN he sure showed us LOL him and then that are now hiding the fact they voted for him.
And who do we suppose are the 279 or so people one FaceBook that "Like" soon to be Mr. McCain.s proposal that they cut our beniftis?
Left wingers, anti-war, anti-military, class-warfare socialists I would imagine.
Or perhaps, cowards who were either afriad to, or never served, 20+ years in defense of our country in the military? Probably all the above.
I am divorced from the person I was married to during 2/3s of my military career and even though I have been retired fo 20 years and divorced for 26 years, my understanding is that she still gets Tricare Prime because she never remarried. She has been living with a guy for over 20 years. Seems like ex-spouses should get the axe. Did I mention she gets 1/3 if my retired pay and commissary/px privileges? Confused.
McCain has never been supportive of the average military man. Since he retired from the Navy as an O6 and married into millions he has lost touch with GI Joe even more. I do not trust McCain and had he become president the military would have suffered even more. He will retire from the Senate with full pay and benefits ,collect his Navy retainer,and will not be subjected to the Tricare for Life premium that he readily supports. The federal civilian retirement system needs to be abolished and everyone enrolled in the Social Security system. If they want a retirement plan they can pay into a 401K or IRA like everyone else. There should only be a federal retirement system for the military, who already pay into Social Security, and subject to deployment to war zones with short notice. As for McCain, he will be with us for a few more years so we will have to depend on the more reasonable voices in the Senate to hold him in check.
These people that love to take things from vets are not human,they look like humans they even try to act like family men.They talk about how they love their wives and kids and grand kids,but kick vets and other people in the face that are haveing a hard time.
I think they have familys for show,to help at election time.People that talk about the good things they love,love only their low down dirty selfs.
Well, Mr. John McCain, why should you worry about your retired military people? You have your benefits sown up thru your tenure in Congress. You were more than likely one of the Congressmen or Women who voted in those very benefits. I am 59 years old, spent 21 years in 1200 psi superheated steam plants, very hazardous duty, and do not appreciate your stance on this issue at all.
I now am being treated for Small Cell Lung Cancer thru Tri-Care Prime, and, from what I have heard, I would not be able to afford the patient cost share of this treatment, especially since I would not be able to remain employed during this treatment. What do you think of that? As a retired Navy Veteran I would be allowed to die without treatment.
Well, Mr. McCain, (Notice the moniker Mr.), welcome to the growing Congressonal Ranks of corporate lackeys. As far as I am concerned, you have outlived your Congressional Usefulness. Good-By
Gerald W. Leavell, geraldleavell@yahoo.com
Typical POW turncoat. Sent here to ruin the morale of the retired He must be very proud of himself.
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Let's see since the government is ready to go back on its promise to provide a defined set of benefits to carer military people does that mean we can go back on our promise to protect and defend the constitution? Let's hope active duty members are asking this same question.
I have never thought that McCain is a war hero. There is no honor in flying planes and dropping bombs. No Sir, McCain is not a war hero. Honor is having to be a grunt and sacrificing your S for your country. After the war is over, comes the hardest thing to see. Having our rights violated by people like McCain.
I served in the Nam, and I met a young Marine from Mrs. McCain’s hometown. I would talk to him and he would ignore me and walk away. Guess who saved his life when he got pinned down by enemy gun fire? You got that right!! That brave Mexican with big cajones. Bullets were flying every which way that sounded like wasps. Nobody helped the kid, not even his Anglo friends. Nobody moved to save him. Yuuuuuuuuuuup!! The Mexican stand up and ran about 40 feet and I picked up the racist Anglo. I was told to apply for a SILVER STAR, but I refused like the proud MESKIN GREASER that I am. That’s what we are called in Texas and probably Arizona. I would have refused that SILVER STAR, if I had been awarded the medal. Why? Because I saved an racist anglo, and that was my worst experience in the NAM. That was a fairly brave experience, not flying a jet and bombing people. McCain you are not a hero in my eyes. Now, McCain, you have the nerve to strip us of our rights.
Can a U.S. Senator be recalled?? McCain will have a lifetime Senate retirement and with a multi-millionaire wife he hasn't much to worry about.
Why are we paying for what the banks and wall street cause, now lets cut the warriors that lay their life on the line to keep us safe and they already receive the lowest pay while they served, so lets see them lay their families, medical, retirement pay on the line to help what wall street cause. YOU ARE LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACE, LOOK AT WALL STREET, WHEN WILL THEY SERVE THEIR TIME IN JAIL AND BAIL OUT THIS MESS THEY CAUSED……
Isn't this just dandy. Senator John McCain of Arizona, Captain, U.S. Navy retired, has sent forth a letter in support of the cuts to Retiree TriCare, and Cuts, and or, Changes to the Military Retirement Pay System. This is No bloody surprise to this retired U.S. Marine, that my home state Senator would foster support, in order to gain the trust and admiration of those guys and gals on the hill in Washington. What a turn coat my home state Senator is! So now
that our the So Called Leaders within our country's government, want to wrench some more bloody money from those of us who have paid the price for maintaining the Freedom and Liberty, which every American enjoys, to include these Lame Duck Elected Officials. This is NOT a Democratic process by any means people. It is our country's So Called Elected Leaders, going about doing whjat most all of them do best, and that is screwing the American population for their own pewrsonal gain. Sincerely, Ironhand, U.S. Marine Corps "SEMPER FIDELIS" To God, Country and Corps "Do Not Tread On Me, EVER!"
Isn't this just dandy. Senator John McCain of Arizona, Captain, U.S. Navy retired, has sent forth a letter in support of the cuts to Retiree TriCare, and Cuts, and or, Changes to the Military Retirement Pay System. This is No bloody surprise to this retired U.S. Marine, that my home state Senator would foster support, in order to gain the trust and admiration of those guys and gals on the hill in Washington. What a turn coat my home state Senator is!
So now that our the So Called Leaders within our country's government, want to wrench some more bloody money, out of those of us who have paid the price for maintaining the Freedom and Liberty ofr our nation, and for each and every to American enjoy, to include these Lame Duck Elected Officials. This whole Nasty process, in of a NOT a Democratic nature by any means for the people of this here United States Of America, Republic Of. It is our country's So Called Elected Leaders going about doing, what most all of them do best, on a daily basis, and that is Screwing the American population for their own pewrsonal gain. Sincerely, Ironhand, U.S. Marine Corps "SEMPER FIDELIS" To God, Country and Corps "Do Not Tread On Me, EVER!"
Nothing like a stab in the back. Spend 25+ years in the service and look what happens. Its pretty evident they no longer want lifers in the service. It's time to vote them out of office and put someone in that cares about service men and women who want to serve their country to protect the freedom all of us enjoys. How many politicians do you know that are jumping at an opportunity to reduce their benefits? RIGHT!! NONE!! It's time the politicians cut their pay and benefits that they feel is rightfully theirs. Everyone knows that won't happen unless we the voters make a stand at the ballot. MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT!!
I think congress should have their benefits cut, lets start charging them for their health care and tell them they cant use Walter Reed or any other Military Hospital
now go a head and play that race card, only problem you,ll get from me is i spent 24 years in the USARMY, i am a 100% disabled COMBAT vet, and never even new this card game tell you bros showed me how to play it, and i must say some by no means not all played it will. the best man i ever worked in my life was SFC D YES A BLACK MAN AND A GREAT ALL AROUND PERSON, AN OUSTANDING LEADER, he found him self in shame of his own peeps.yep i have mex, blacks, all walks in my family,the the only thing i would say, is a good days work brings a good days pay, pride starts at home,your not born with it you have to learn it.
I am very disappointed in Mc Cain. Tri-care already cost the if on Medacare is all ready costing us $132.00 per month plus $475.00 a year Tri-Care annual enrollment. I do not think the man realizes that. We are not getting medical services for free. One of the major benefits why I stayed in t he service was because of the Medical ,retirement pension, PX, and Commissary. I earned these benefits and they should not be taken away or put our of reach.
To think I voted for this guy, he above all should support the military retirees and stop sticking a knife in our backs. I agree he and all other politicians should be made to exist on social security and medicare and for military folks the tricare. It seems like our politicians think of themselves as above everyone else they should be treated so much better than the rest of us.
Question: Why aren't the members of the US House and Senate offering to cut their salaries and retirement packages. Since they are so willing to offer up military benefits to balance the budget.. Which were so hard fought for and and deserved. It seems that it is always easier for the Congress to cut military funding when it suits them and they never look to their own pockets and take the lead in budget cuts. Especially since the current financial state of the nation is the sole responsibility of the Congress. Their lack of stewardship and deregulation are the foundation of the "Wall Street" bailout. The fault is theirs and theirs alone. The Congress controls all the government purse strings. Until they take the lead on offering up their perks and benefits, I say leave our moneys alone.
I am an Air Force retiree and while I don’t like the idea of this, I do think someone has to reach out and cross the aisle in the senate and congress. If Sen McCain is that someone, I applaud him. Our country is really struggling right now and we don’t seem to be going anywhere.
They could save $111 billion in three years?
How about we *end* "foreign aid" and we can save $300 billion in three years?
How about we cut the State Dept in half? We don't "need" embassies in third world countries! We need to be closing embassies not opening anymore!
How about we get rid of *all* the illegal aliens in the country who cost us $114 B last year alone?
Plenty of things can and should be cut before cutting into bone on our military!
Is it just me or is anyone else thinking that "Washington" is our enemy?
All Vets should start a movement to show to the American people the true benefits the elected people receive after only one term in office, much less 20 years!!!! VOTE in the upcoming elections!!!!!
Grandfather Clause! Hell yes, McCain, his daddy and his granddaddy ALL lived their life on the government dole. Now he has the audacity to want to cut others while he and his do-nothing minions in Congress live as Royalty on the taxpayers dime.
WE CAN STOP THIS FOLKS. WE CAN BAND TOGETHER FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ELIMINATING ALL PENSIONS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS, ALL JUDGES, AND ALL APPOINTEES. WE SHOULD! WILL WE?
What it takes is a petition drive to get the Matter of Gov't Pay on the ballot in the individual states. A similar drive to give 18 year olds the right to vote took less than 3 months. LET'S DO IT — GIT-R-DONE!
first of all Senator McCain has his benefit set for life, second he is not a war hero he got shot down on his first mission in vietnam most of his military time was spend in hanoy hilton as a POW. No disrespect intended, he need to make up his mind he is with us veterans OR HE is with those Idiot at Capitol hill & the White house. shame on them.
SSG E6M
why is it that everyone targets the retirees… why not cut pork programs, cut silly junk and start to spend as it should be spent, on the people and not the stupidity. as it is on jan 1st i have to now pay more for my drugs, i went tothe express scrips now for 99% of our medication because its free rather than supporting my local pharmacy, so we can now make them go out of business, and have even more people out of work, in a time when a job is not easy to find and harder to keep, you talk about making it even harder to get by. ok the "working age" retirees, is anyone under 65 according to them, but do you know how hard it is to find a job when people 1/2 your age are also looking, they say you cant discriminate because of age, but when 500 people are applying for 1 job because of this piss poor economy tell me honestly if they are not looking at your age and noticing that you are over 50 years old.
How the government can change the compensation package after it has been EARNED is beyond me. And the politicians wonder why the American public mistrusts politicians!
McCain has been a R.I.N.O. for years To bad we cant get the real story about the P.O.W s left behind and McCains should know that we left people there and he was elected to help get them back. he turned on us vets and many could not see he had no interest in us. Now you have the proff, good buy to your benefits
just wondering what would happen if he had been president
cut mccain
M—– F—–! That is all I have to say!
McCain went to one war…my father went to three. WWII,Korea, and Vietnam (managed to keep good on his word to bring "his" men back in one piece) and this is the thanks he gets from one of his own??? Judas!!! Talk about friendly fire.
American Patriot Award…..GIVE IT BACK!!!!!
Thats what you get for defending this great and ungrateful country f-u country that we live in.
We all need to join groups in protest.
Good idea, maybe a million veteran march on cities around the country like the current flea-baggers on Wall Street protests would send the appropriate messege to the career politicians.
We should start in Washington, choke off the city to all traffice and commerce, and see if they get the messege about attacking veterans instead of the other billions of dollars of wasteful welfare programs to those who never even earned anything.
I need to get going and become an elected gov. official.
Well this convinced me McCain is a jerk off. Cut your own sweet benefit package first dear senator before you come after military retirees
If they want to cut they should start with telling the new recruits and start there. We were told we would have medical benefits from the start. I spent 43 years in the military and I depend on the promises they made to me when I joined. If I had any idea they would cut my benefits I would have planned another route for retirement. This is just not fair – keep your promises!!!!! I am glad now that McCain didn't become president. Just think 1/3 of the government would have been against the veterans.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT SEN MCCAIN HAS TURNED INTO SUCH A TRAITOR. HE NEEDS TO BE IMPEACHED. I GUESS THEY MUST HAVE REALLY MESSED WITH HIS BRAIN WHILE HE WAS A POW. HE DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE CALLED A VETERAN. TURNCOAT IS MORE OF A DESCRIPTIVE TITLE.
cut obama's and mccain'sl retirement and health benefits. how much retirement will mccain get…million or so each year. a bunch of PIGS! let all of them live off $1125 military retirement a year. tell them to get their damn hands out of the social seciurity pot. how many trillions has the rotten gov't taken and not paid back? go ahead and answer…no answer…no balls!
The military retiree population recently lost a advocate and voice with the recent retirement of Coast Guard Admiral Stephen Rochon who held the position of White House Chief Usher. Admiral Rochon served Presidents Bush and Obama since 2007. Admiral Rochon had the Presidents ear and as I'm told has raised the BS flag a time or two. President Obama recently named an executive from the Ritz-Carlton Hotel chain to be the new Chief Usher.
Yes if I was rich, married to a rich wife and had all his benefits from his elected office I could make claims like that too. Why doesn't he donate at least his pay to a fund to help pay for these things he wants to take away.
Like to many others here, 40 years ago I signed a piece of paper, a committment, I had to honor, buck Congress honor what you promised US.
I know one thing, I won't vote for relection of any politician, may we can get some real working class americans back into politics, that know how the rest of us work & live.
$1125 is per month not per year.
Sorry folks was trying to say Buck Up Congress, my apologies if anyone reads more into it.
So now we are getting dinged for being able to work for all of us who are able and want to work. I am so grateful for the health benefits that my family and I have, my wife has been battling cancer since I retired 11 years ago, and if not for tri care prime I might lose her more quickly since her cancer is incurable. I served because i love this country, but when can we start believing in what our country tells us. The budget does need changing, but lets look down the road and not past military veterans
Thank you Mr.mcCain I voted for you in the last election but that won't happen again . I can't beleave you threw your brother and sister service members under the bus like this. Are you taking lessons from Hanoi Jane?
I did my time ,42 years 11 mos. and 18 days. I want what I was promised.
Talk all you want, you'll get what you deserve by VOTING. Get your family,friends and all you can muster and VOTE.
Congress is about to change you life forever. Change theirs first. Those who GET, are the ones who VOTE.
Way to buy into the ignorant class warfare, Thunder350. The many comments about the benefits that Congressmen receive are much more relevant to this situation. It is a FACT that the military is a Constitutionally appropriate activity for the Federal Government. It is also a fact that, including the "two unfunded wars", military spending is at historically low levels as a percent of GDP, the only meaningful measurement. If we hope to continue to field a sufficient military with volunteers, we better not start cutting the pay and benefits; especially when over 50% of the federal budget is spent on extra-Constitutional areas. I fear that a segment of our current political class is actually working to weaken the military and this is just another policy that will do so.
McCain has his retirement so he does not care about anything else. When everyone from the president down to the lowest congressperson can live on about 20,000 or less with their wives for three years then and only then should they have the power to screw with well earned military retirement benifits. Most of the people who want to take away our benifits were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and now they want to take that same spoon and shove in up our ass. Wall street is just the beginning so our elected officals need to stop screwing with the very people who put their lives on the line and those who died so they could enjoy the lives that they have now. stop #%$^#*#@% us now. You can cut cost by cutting yourself first.
I don't know why they have to pick on those who have served their country. I served over 21 years in the Navy in both Korea and Viet Nam and am discusted with all of them. Why don't we pick on the pre TSP retired civil service retirees. They, like congress, never have been picked on let them share a little. Another thing, why are they so worried about the U.S. going broke with the that 44 quadrillion dollars (computed on current gold prices) in Fort Knox and several other places good for?
Well isn't that nice of mccain to cut OUR benefits. SCREW HIM. He got his and because of his and his criminal buddies that have ruined this country, he's ok with screwing us.
Always said McCain was the real Manchurian Candidate.
McCain and the rest of Congress needs to restructure their pay and benefits. Also, laws need to change where Congress members can't vote their own pay raises, etc… It's time they set an example for our country and leave retirees alone. As a retiree's spouse I have to depend on Tricare Prime for insurance; even though it's below grade of what congress members get.
Mccain would care he's got the congressional retirerment and hospitalisasion for life so he figures screw the rest of the service men and women who have and are still putting thier lives on the line to protect this nation. His attitude is like every other polititions I've got mine screw the rest of you.
What's new!! Were getting screwed every single day..McCain is just getting onboard…to screw us more.
McCain doesn't care about military retires, he's going to get his retirement from the senate. They should think about cutting the senate and congress's benefits and drop their retirement if they have not served for 20 years or more. He is supposed to be a hero and is nothing but a sellout.
Maybe Sen. McCain has forgotten his POW days and hopes that we retirees
in his age group are forgetting about the lack of representative governing that
is the norm in our congress today.
mcCain is closet Dem.So good luck with that.He does not care what happens to his fellow service members.He is a lier.
Ican’t believe that Obama is putting our Tricare For Life and Military Retirement on the table. Once you approve such a monster, they bleed you to death every year, just look at Part B of SS. Just think about it. After we pay our Part B and our spouse’s and then the $200.00 for Tricare for Life. We are the group of people that Obama said he wanted to help, some help. I just don’t think he has a snowball in **** chance of being reelected.
what has happened to his idea of taxing the people who makes over $250/000. Everybody needs to really look at this and see who is driving it and put their butts out in the next election and let kit be known that future politicians;can expect the same and Prsidents.i
if one looks back over the years, the very same thing can be found each time there is a federal financial crunch, who pays for it ?
Active duty and veterans.
I am so sick of toting the sack for the last sixty or more years.
And for McCain, he has never supported the troops.
It it time for a march on Washington before it it too late.
We need a senior military person with name recognition, a MOH winner, a movie star or a popular politician to lead the march to get the most public support.,
I hope that it is not too late….
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Every one ofthese comments are BS – the military pay exceeds private companies in equivalent jobs, the retirement is ridiculous in terms of the benefits paid, most that get out of the military get disability when they have absolutely nothing wrong with them – bottom line – the military needs to redine the retirement benefits.
Who ever you are . you don't know much about the service.
You ought to try and raise a family on ALL those bennies. Ever fly in an aircraft older than you grandmother ? Disability ,I had hearing before I went ,now I say, What ?A lot. I get Zero (0)
vote, vote, vote! write, write, write! call, call, call! what do ya get? more of the same. move over jane, ya got company!!!!!!!!
It is a real shame that as an ex. Mil. that a person of his caliber turns his back on his people. That turns my blood. My God have mercy on his soul.
McCain you piece of crap. You of all people to sell out the service men and woman. These poor bastards are returning to the states missing limbs, mentally scared to the point they will most likely never be a productive member of society not to mention the hardship that has been put on the family and loved ones. All the members of congress and the senate are getting pay increases while the service members are dodging the bullets. The majority of government has never spent a day behind a rifle laying in the sand but they are the millionaires setting up there giving the orders. I started with Nam and ended with Desert Shield/Storm. No thanks is needed just take care of our veterans. McCain, I used to be an avid supporter, now if I were to see you fall I would step ON you the same way you have stepped on us. Just go away you disgusting piece of crap.
Done like a true officer. Send him back to Viet Nam.
Please read the book “Perfidy”by John (Top Holland) and get a good grip on the real John McCain
it is ok for him to say cut out the programs but he doesn't pay social security and use the same medical.Harry
Another promise broken, another lie exposed. The country that forgets it's veterans will undoubtedly fall. This country is breaking faith with its veterans.As a 26 year retired veteran who loves his country but hates his government, I will vote and make my voice heard. No incumbent or career politicians will get my vote. Letters, emails and phone calls…flood their mailboxes and inboxes.
It is time that we Veterans start marching on Washington — and Veterans Day would be a great Day for it —– Enough is Enough — I agreed that the politiians should be taken the cuts — not only in their benefits but their salary and all their fringes plus reducing their staffs and operation budgets.
This totally unexceptable — These comments are right on — TIME TO TAKE A STAND.
How much would we save by cuttine congressional benefits, and put them on Social Security, Militayr retirement, and Medicare!!!!
The only difference between McCain and Obama – one is white, one is black. Otherwise, they govern like two peas in a pod.
DOD ,McCain and anyone else who likes to destroy military benefits should be in our shoes.How many of them are disabled vets,and enlisted vets that have little income. they should have my income less than $800.00 social security, only $342.18 military retirement pay. My rating was frozen for three years or more, I got out in 1993. I have to pay for my wife's medical,her prescriptions,and mine every month that alone is over $150.00. now they screwed me again I have to pay $200. a year for Tricare for life.
Sounds like me, McCain is a snake in the grass,he is like all the rest, they do not care, KISS OFF is what they are telling us,until election time again, they suck
McCain is a millionaire. He might have cared about Veterans in his earlier life, but that has been a long time ago. He is a part of the 1% and does not care about the other 99%. The only people that give a damn about the Military, are the people serving and their Families. That's the way it's always been.
I like the people that are on the streets now. How long can people like me and maybe millions more who have never protested anything on the street and thought that people who do are nuts, sit back and be good americans and cry on the 4th of July when the flag comes by while the country you love kicks you in your hungry patriotic face?
Mccain is a turncoat beening a Navy brat & a navel officer him self he should know we need all we have and could use more.Let congress cut their bennies they we'll talk.
Well why am I not Surprised this coming from a wanna be President with Democratic left wing swings and agreeing what the Dems professions that each and every time cuts to be made should start with our military. This is why the Tea Party is becoming so popular because there seems to be no difference in the way Republicans and Democrats are steering this country we need to replace these guys before they give themselves another
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I have been saying this for years, they want you in the military, but the HELL WITH YOU WHEN YOU ARE OUT
MSgt USAF (retire)
I concur with SCPO(ret.) . NOW is the time to get these politicians out of there.
Do don re-elect these people. Vote them out!!!!
congress should take a god lok at there on medical and benfits and leaves ours alone they want to make cuts cuts cut thier own and make them pay more and leave the avearage working class alone
The last time I asked a Congressman why the federal government continues to renege on benefits promised to career military, he asked me if I had gotten it in writing. Lying sacks of dung, all of them. McCain is approaching Jane Fonda status in my book.
The vast majority of us retirees have ample money laying around. I'm 45 and get $18,000 from retired pay a year, plus the $51,000 I make at my job, not to mention the near $200,000 that was saved up over 20 years of service. I'm quite embarrassed that retired senior enlisted service members are acting like PFC's, especially when it comes to free money and benefits.
How nice for you. But how did you manage to save $10,000 a year on military pay? No wife? No kids? No bills? No college tuitions to pay for? And what do you mean by free money and benefits? The entire military community gets less than half of the pay and benefits civilians make, and we’ve earned the right to a decent pension and medical coverage. I’m embarrassed for YOU, pal. You must be McCain’s campaign manager. duhhhhhhh
When you don't have to pay for housing and food for 20 years, it kind of adds up. It also doesn't hurt when your spouse works and doesn't lay around the house all day
The vast majority of us retirees have ample money laying around. I'm 45 and get $18,000 from retired pay a year, plus the $51,000 I make at my job, not to mention the near $200,000 that was saved up over 20 years of service. I'm quite embarrassed that retired senior enlisted service members are acting like PFC's, especially when it comes to free money and benefits.
The vast majority of us retirees have ample money laying around. I'm 45 and get $18,000 from retired pay a year, plus the $51,000 I make at my job, not to mention the near $200,000 that was saved up over 20 years of service. I'm quite embarrassed that retired senior enlisted service members are acting like PFC's, especially when it comes to free money and benefits.
It's not a matter of $$$'s laying around. It's about reneging on a promise made. I don't know where you served or how many PCS moves you made for the good of the service: but, most Vets are still trying to buy a home long after their peers have paid theirs off. It's not free money sarge, it's a benefit for sacrifice. Get off the Kool-Ade.
mccain we do not want you doing anything for us– get out of our live –you are so low kissing up to obama;s programs and military cuts. you know what you will go down in history for now guess leave us military alone.
Wouldn't you say this is a conflict of interest since the politicians can vote on anything for themselves…ie raises, retirement & etc. Plus they are the only ones that vote/ tell the working public & the veteransl what they can earn & the programs they qualify for. Is this equality according to what is left of our rights under the law. Even an attorney can't represent both parties in a divorce as this is a conflict of interest. So let the public vote on the politicians wages, retirement, benefits & medical program we feel they should receive. God bless our Veterans & our military.
This is so disMcusting to hear. My husband and I both served our country and My husband died for our country. The government has put many military men and women in harms way. The simple act of serving on a Navy ship has put many a person's at risk for serious health problems due to asbestos exposure. Did you know that anyone who has served in the service has a decreased life expectancy. You can't sue the government for that so the LEAST that we as former members of the services of the greatest nation in the world could take care of the retirees and families without too much addo. McCain has let the power of office cloud his vision.
How about the American people bill Bush and Bush for the nation’s debt. Hell there the ones that put us in this situation. Everything that Bush Jr. Touches turns to shit.
John Macain, The veteran in his own right, sitting in a cell in Veitnam, but know he is on his knees kissing Obama's backside what a tirn coat, and it all comes down to his being a senator with all the benfits in the world, I served 22 years and have seen ugliness through the loss of a friend in the National Guard all because are reserves are over 75% of the fighting force who never who still will never recieve the benefits that a full timer gets which is bull beause without them we have dick for a military force. Macain can kiss my backside I am sadened that I even voted for him in the last election. All i can finish with is it is time to take America back from the scum we call Government. mftnes50
Starting with the Presidency, the cabinet, staffers and the like, along with all Standind menbers of the House and Senate, and their staffer. These people in our country's governmental body, Never have to endure the Tricare Cuts, or, the cuts, and or changes to the military retiement system, because these So Called Leaders of our nation's government, do Not have to endure the Tricare health care system, nor all the hardships endured by all members of our country's Armed Services, and their family's on a daily basis, in order to maintain the Security of this great nation.
So please, you elected types, Go Flip Burgers At Burger King, Where You Can Have It Your Way. Ironhand, U..S. Marine Corps, Retired
"SEMPER FIDELIS" To God, Country and Corps "IN GOD WE TRUST ALWAYS"
the only way we can keep our benefits that we earned is to vote these
bums out there's realy no other way
as an amendment to any such legislation insure that term limits for all Senators shall be no more than one term of six years with six years of retirement to be the same as Social Security and that no Representative shall serve more that two 2 year consecutive terms with retirement benefits the same as Social Security. To effect aall current members of the Senate and House of Representatives the same as the legislation effecting current active duty military and retirees.
How come they can cut benefits of the men and women's who risked thier lives for a minimum of 20 years to get what little they get, but congress only has to serve two years to get benefits for life and the President only has to serve four????
I think congress should spend more time finding ways to put Americans back to work instead of picking at our hard earned benefits! More tax payers more revenue. Let's bring jobs back to the USA and stop outsourcing. If companies outsource, tax them higher to make up for the jobs lost! One more thought, how many congressmen & women do you see on a street corner with a sign that reads "ex-congressman, will work for food"? Now, how many veterans have you seen with the same sign, "Vet, please give"? McCain and the "supercommittee" should consider sutting the benefits and pay of all congress! After serving only 2 years they have better benefits than us vets!
MCCAIN DOING THIS? AN EX POW? I FIND THIS HARD TO TAKE. WRITING TO WASHINGTON HAS NEVER DONE ANY GOOD. SOMEONE WITH GOOD LEADERSHIP SHOULD ORGANIZE A RETIREE MARCH ON WASHINGTON AND SHOW THEM JUST HOW WE FEEL.
I AM A RETIRED CWO, DAV, WITH 26 YEARS OF FAITHFUL SERVICE AND
THREE COMBAT RELATED INJURIES.
ANY GOOD ORGANIZER OUT HERE? IF SO LETS GO TO WASHINGTON !!!
I have a suggestion for cost cutting. Senate and Congress meet twice a year for three months. During that time the Elected officials be paid based on one fourth of the National Average Income for an Individual. The time they serve counts toward retirement, NONE, NO. The job is part time, no retirement. They have the same Insurance available as the Military Members do, when they are in session. The pay for the President and others will be adjusted to reflect the wages the Citizens are earning. Any books, articles, speeches Elected Official at all levels write, or sell, or give during the in session time becomes property of the United States, any profit earned on these works also go to the Unites States Government. All such funds will go directly to pay the National Debt and very close records, open to the public to see, will be maintained. Any travel other than official, the President will be required to reimburse the Treasury for. Vacations will be two weeks the same as most Americans. All staff cars will be operated on Natural Gas, electric, or other renewable source and no fossil fuel may be used. Every building owned by the United States will be converted to solar energy and only solar. No more backup gas heat. Thermostats in all Government Buildings will be sat at 68 in the Winter and 80 in the summer.
When that is done, then and only then may you even think about cutting the retirement or healthcare of even one member of the United States Military. Period.
How would he have felt if his government abandoned him when he was in the Hanoi Hilton? I understand this doesn’t compare, but this is still government abandonment. I don’t care what his military record is, his political record just wiped it out.
I am shocked that McKain is supporting the military cuts! He has always had my utmost support and admiration for all he sacrificed as a POW. I was promised free medical, etc., and much of that promise has disintegrated. COLA increases every year? What happened to that? Our economy is terrible now and yet I dont remember when we got our last raise! Its astonishing how many veterans are homeless and its growing. Our government should be ashamed.
John Mccain I will not call you by the name of Congressman A true Congressman has honor You Have Just lost all of yours so I will say this go on and do youre dirt now and look at what you have done. when no one will go in the milt. to cover the sorry asses in office.and the ones walking up and down the street that are to dame sorry to get a job let Mccain give them more of what he will take from us the ones insuring your safety
McCain, he has his own benefits and if he was smart he should have given those up a long time ago; what a stupid bastard he turned out to me. He is not a brother in arms to may any more, but a turn coat . . . .
You know, McCain has probabily got 100% disability on top of the federal health insurance with Tricare picking up the incidentials. Sweet deal for him. Maybe we vets need to go protest with a tent city in D.C. However the last time that was done, the WW I vets were asking for their promised bonus early, they were run out of D.C. by a Major on horseback. with troups….. Major Douglas McArthur ! We vets have already done our part ! Congress and the President want even more. It needs to stop.
If McCain had little money and wasn't a millionare he wouldn't be talking like an idiot. He is typical of most wealthy politicians.
GEE THANKS GI WHAT DID YOU DO FORGET WE SERVED TOO,WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN ESPICALLY IF WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK BECAUSE OF OUR INJURIES.
right…how about congress and the president taking a pay cut…mccain gets a navy pension..plus pow benefits..and i think social security..and hes married to a billionaire..hes got alot of sand..making proposals like this..i lost all respect for the man..
We have been sold out! I should of went AWOL while I was in Vietnam.
Keep your promise to the vets, cut your own benefits first. Retired Navy man
I don't see him willing to cut his own benefits. He doesn't have to worry about how much insurance is. There are a LOT of retired military and their family members where Tricare Prime is the ONLY insurance available. Not all companies offer medical and as time goes by, those that can afford it will be hard pressed to continue.
i don't know why any one is surprised by McCains vote. Just another politician who's only concern is being reelected. Now that he is near the end of his tenure his true colors come out.
Wow, let's hit the folks w/ a fixed income!
Why does'nt someone tell McCain and Obama,to try paying for their own healthcareand get off the political free dole ride!!!!!!!!Anybody that votes these two characters back in office is either brain damaged or never gets a glimpse atany current events. George R Hackett Sr.
McCain needs to take a pay cut and health benefit and see how he feels about cuts then. Our retired & active duty deserve every benefit we can give them. They earned them the hard way. Remember our military is ALL VOLUNTARY!!!
McCai and Gates, two GOP sold out the military retirees. Increase tricare premiums and higher medication co-pay already began. Now the Pres is asking for more is nothing but total disregard for the retirees who gave so much and now they want to take back the little that they gave us.
Shame on McCain…he has lost the bubble on this one.
An American who has sacrificed his or her life in the defense of this great country is having their retirement cut, but the silver spoon senator or congressman who was elected to a 4 year cushy office job earns a permanent retirement pension that is probably more than the service member made while on active duty? What the hell did they do in 4 years that makes them so @#$%special? And since many of them were too cowardly to serve in the military, what makes them so bold as to screw with our brave soldiers?
As I said before. The ones in the service prior to Feb. 1955 are the only ones that medical free for life were promised. I spent a totasl of 29 years in the Navy and of those 10 were in recruiting and I never told applicants that medical would be free for life because I knew that it did not apply to any that were not in prior to Feb. 1955. I do not agree in changing to fees but things have to happen in order for the country to get out of the hole and $200.00 a year is not a great amount to pay.
I guess I'm screwed. I joined in 1956- $200.a year, What do you suppose it will be next year ? The year after ? I now will be paying an
additional $50. a mth.along with the wife, another $50.a mth.That's for Part B and no COLA.That s—s.
why are they doing this, because they know that they dont have much time left in the white house so let just **** **** up for the military to people that believe in god and give them a bad medical TRICARE, or any kind of health insurance that wont help them with anything, there saying let make it seems before we are getting out of the white houst that were trying to get our debt done, let do this so when we do get out of the white house that yea we did something for america… no you did not, you are MAKING THINGS WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It saddens me to see all of us comment on this subject. We all really need to make a stand and show these people in Washington who they are really dealing with. Active/Vet it doesnt matter we all need stick togther and stand up for what is right. Who do they think they are even considering putting “Cuts” and “Military” in the same sentence. We are the reason why these people even get to sleep at night we stand or have stand the watch. What we really need is for us to vote in a Rep who knows what it is to go on deployments away from our country, family, and day to day lives to protect what we believe is right. “so they say” We need our own place in Congress not Congress telling us how it is.
A proud Sailor
This is repulsive. I just retired 6 months ago and quickly found out that my junior enlisted retirement income does not get me very far and leaves me stretched thin. I can only imagine what this recommendation does to my fellow veterans. Can our Government ever be trusted…when they can't keep their end of the bargain. So much for bragging to the world about how great our military men and women are. Actions speak louder than words, no true substance in this administration.
I'm afraid idiots like this and that Obama clown is going to screw us, the veterans, so bad between now and when they get kicked out that nobody will be able to redo anything in our behalf. I really wish we had somebody that stand behind us to start forcing the nut cases and in all of their staff members in Washington to start taking a pay cut and benefits since they can't seem to leave us along.
why are they doing this, because they know that they dont have much time left in the white house so let just **** **** up for the military on their health insurance, and to people that believe in god and give them a bad medical TRICARE, or any kind of health insurance that wont help them with anything, there saying let make it seems before we are getting out of the white house that were trying to get our debt down, let do this so when we do get out of the white house that yea we did something for america… no you did not, you are MAKING THINGS WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our military deserves better treatment, not worse. What Obama and McCain are proposing is absolutely ludicrous. Why don't they offer to take cuts in their salaries and retirement benefits instead of reducing the already marginal benefits EARNED BY VETERANS WHO DEVOTED THEIR LIVES TO THEIR COUNTRY! Small wonder America is in trouble–the priorities of our government are completely screwed up!
Dear John….you have been sucking off the American Public for years sitting his butt in congress with full medical and full dental coverage all paid for by the American Public. This is also a guy that will receive more then 80% of his yearly paycheck in retirement. He should keep his wooden nickels worth of opinion. Hey John, IF IT DOESNT EFFECT YOU EITHER WAY…DONT COMMENT ON IT. CLEAN UP CONGRESS AND THIER MONEY SUCKING BENIFITS BEFORE YOU TRY TO DO IT TO SOME OTHER GROUP.
We, as Vets, need to march on Washington DC to show our disapproval with the current attitude towards cutting veterans benefits. We fraught for this country on the promise that we were entitled to these benefits. To cut out benefits and lose our entitlements is a breach of promise and just plane wrong. Originally it was free health care the rest of our life. Our leaders are lying to us over and over. Our politicians (most of them never served) are selling us out. What are we going to do about it? I say next Veterans Day we march on DC and show our dissatisfaction with the current administration!!!
What's wrong with you people… you voted for all these non-vet folks because they promised you all the lies and the bubble gum and now that you are only getting the bubble gum you bitch about it. This coming election show them what you can do not just bitch about it. Try not to vote for a football hero of yours vote for somebody who knows what military life is all about.
CANT WAIT! I'm running to the polls!!!! Get a bunch of these idiots out!
Agreed, as it should be, time to get these freeloaders out to pasture.
mcain you are a loser.23 yr. navy vet. retire an let someone else stand up for the vets.you obviously need to just go away. we fought for our country .what have our elected govt. lazy overpaid officials done!
my late husband was a POW and mccain did not give the pows any help so im not surprised he did this he married into MONEY and he is a very selfish person
I was shocked to learn McCain would support such things just shows what to long in Washington will do to a person
You can tell we are getting close to pulling our troops out of harms way. When it is time to go to the ends of the earth for God and Country, we are honored and respected. When the need for cannon fodder is no longer required, we are the first to be forgotten. Shame on you McCain….I thought I knew you.
Riiiiiiiiiight ….. MUST be true if the AP said it — They were the ones who manipulated the votes FOR the current regime!
Wonder how far he has his nose up obama's ass and what has obama offered him? Hell, if I was a millionaire, married to a rich woman,had 6 or 7 very nice homes/ranches, and knew I would be getting one helluva check for the rest of my life as well as a golden parachute medical plan, and say to hell with the citizens, guess what? He is a POS as far as I am concerned since he has chosen to align himself with obama. Just proves there are no politicians in DC worthy to be there. He is an embarrassment to all veteraans.
I' not surprise McCain would stick it to us retire'es considering that he's got FREE healthcare for life. I had the honor to serve with a Col. who spent 61/2 years in the Hanoi Hilton, most of that time with none other than John sell out the military McCain. This Col. told me he would not support McCain when he ran for president. He wouldn't elaborate why but it sure makes you wonder.
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Congresss and a couple of presidents got us into this mess and now they are tsaking the easy way out. I am 82 years old and this is not the way things were run in the America I grew up in.The man I was proud of and voted for just lost me.
My husband gave his life for this country. McCain should be ashamed of himself, why doesn't he suggest paying for his and the other congress members health insurance, they can afford it. I used to like McCain, but now, I would not vote for him to be a crossing guard.
Demand term limits for those that serve “We the People”.
Vote out all senators and representatives presently serving in Congress.
Vote in a new President; we do not need four new years of gridlock!
It will get worse for military retirees as there are few in government with a military service history; the promises so many who served this nation are being eroded by the few that haven't served …
why would he or any of them care. . get voted in do a term. . get their full bennies. . and not even serve in the military. . . . what is that saying .. what is good for the goose .. should me good for the gander. . . . .. do away with their benefits. . .. vote them out .. .make them do 20 years in office . . . .. if they raise the 20 on the military raise theirs too…. scum of the earth .. .
I agree with the thoughts that the politicians should start looking at their benefits for cutting the budget mess. Thought – since most or all of them are millionaires before they get into congress – they should only get minimum wage for their service! They have no problem taking away the benefits that us retired vets were told would be free for life. Live on that!!!!
Why make the cuts piecemeal for only the military? Why single out the military and military retirees?
Why not a commission to review ALL workers receiving compensation from the government to include pay and benefits of Civil Service (all cabinet departments), Congress, Justice Department as well as the military.
Joseph Gayton
SMSgt USAF (Retired)
Remembering our leaders on election day…If it was up to me Mr. McCain, I vote you out myself…Mr. Obama, I don't know if you know what is like to be in the military; election day is coming as well…good luck!
McCain is as pathetic as all the old Senators and congressmen. McCain was the reason other prisoners of war could not sue north vietnam. He was as pathetic then as he is now. He did his job, got shot down and paid more the price. I respect him BUT he is out of touch with reality. I was an infantry platoon commander in the Marines in Vietnam and my men and I saw horrors beyond comprehension to the average person and endured as much as he did. You regress to an animalistic state where it’s kill or be killed, day in and day out, and the man/woman on the ground can never be compensated enough. The retirement and medical compensation’s were earned through blood, sweat and tears, not entitled. I vow to file a class action suit where self serving politicians can stop stealing from the Military as they are stealing from Social Security. McCain and all his cronies in Washington need to heed the upcoming elections. I ask all veteran voters to vote out all emcombants or anyone in politics that has beeen there for 12 years or more.
John McCain was a coward and traitor when he was a POW and his true colors haven't changed one bit.
i hope they dont mess with our survivors benefits. we dont make enough to survive on as it is. i just lost my job and i can barely get by. we havent had a increase since obummer has been in office. the cost of living has increased but our benefits havent.
Sure he is all for it, since he is near the end of the road of LIFE, and HE got what he could out of the programs while he was still ticking. Milked it enough.
McCain was never a friend of the military troops. I feel he harbors resentments for his bad luck in the military . Should never been allowed to be a senator because of mental health reasons. hope not to offend but just how I feel.
I was one of the Intell Officers who brought you POW’s back from Vietnam. If this is true about your wanting to cut Military Benefits, I hope your *** gets defeated in the next election. I can see you really care about the veterans you served with.
I was one of the Intell Officers who brought you POW’s back from Vietnam. If this is true about your wanting to cut Military Benefits, I hope your *** gets defeated in the next election. I can see you really care about the veterans you served with.
I selve as most of you for 20 yrs, I agree is time for the following to follow.
1. Members of congress should only run 4 yrs
2. they want to save money, they should pay for medical, dental care like we do.
3. the same rules that apply to retirees from the military should apply to them
4. If they one adjustments they should apply the same restrictions they applied to us injured veterans.
5. For Congress and house members to get only 1/2 benefits from their salaries when they get out of office.
we need to wake up and smell the coffee they do not care about us, but only care about themselves
This is like a football game with a red team and a blue team. But both teams and the stadium are all owned by a few rich men. Not only is the game rigged, but the spectators have to pay to watch the game.
This is not about politics. It's about money. Taxpayers pay far more on interest to these guys because of the national debt than the amount for all military retirement costs and also for all military benefits. And they don't care one bit about us.
I was one of the Intell Officers who brought you POW’s back from Vietnam. If this is true about your wanting to cut Military Benefits, I hope your *** gets defeated in the next election. I can see you really care about the veterans you served with.
I was one of the Intell Officers who brought you POW’s back from Vietnam. If this is true about your wanting to cut Military Benefits, I hope your *** gets defeated in the next election. I can see you really care about the veterans you served with.
I think 'navigator' is full of sh*t…….and not in the military. He is a phoney.
Like it or not but all of us retiree's, veterans, and others vote for these idiots so should you really be surprised ? McCAIN HAS A MILLIONAIRE WIFE and a few homes/ cars therefore his retirement means nothing to him.!!!
If your rich vote tea party republican if your poor or working class vote democrat.Enough said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
100% of the funding for undocumented immigrants need to be abolished. Welfare checks and food stamps for non tax paying free loaders need to be halted. And a fair revision of politicians benefits is needed.. Before messing with our benefits.
Unfortunately people like Obama just do not understand the true patriotism military veterans feel. And its disheartening that apparently people like McCain has forgotten.
Gee folks. This McCain stand is really quite simple to understand given the rampant runaway Socialism in Washington, DC in recent years. Our illustrious Rep's and Senators can't even comprehend what a Natural Born Citizen is. The $14 Trillion Debt doesn't bother them nearly as much as a retired E7's benefits. McCain is just another on a long list of Sellouts.
McCain may not to be completely to blame. He may have been hit too many times in the head by the Viet Cong while a prisoner of war. Many never ever recover.
The gentleman from Arizona needs to be recognized as a crazy man that has lost his mind.
Next thing we will be hearing about him taking campaign contributions from Jane Fonda, and everyone knows we Vietnam vets are not Fonda Jane.
If this story is true, then SHAME on McCain and he had better find a big rock to hide under because he is selling out those of us who have retired and those looking to retire very soon or in the not so far off future. I never would have believed he would sell out his brother and sister in arms so maybe if he gets enough 'heat' from the field he will come back on line and not sell us out. Is partners in the Congress and the Senate is where the cuts need to begin and continue until they pay their dues instead of have it all pretty much tax free and handed to them on a silver platter. I guess it is time for some old fashion letter writing to those former military members who reside in the Senate & Congress and who have obviously forgotten what it was like to serve especially when the promise of the "good life" after 20 years + of service to this great nation. TOP WOOD – Army Retired
McCain must think we all have his congressional health plan and his deep pockets…
And this is why none of my kids, grandkids, nephews, nieces etc… will ever be in the military. Its a shame when they ask me why they shouldn't serve like their dad, uncle and grandfathers etc… and I have to tell them the system and country isn't worth fighting for till we get rid off all the politicians or that next civil war happens.
McCain is an idiot like the rest of those money grubbing politicians!
asked around about senator McCain and you will find out that he red coat who gave information to the North Vietnamese Miltary. He is a traitor. Asked some Vietnam Vets. McCain does not care about the military. Hey he recieves a big pension, SSI, and he could careless about vets. As long as he gets his.
HOW ABOUT MCCAIN LIVING UNDER THE SAME RULES WE HAVE TO. THE TRAITOR
McCaine have lost his ever loving mind!!!!!!Why in the HECK would you bother the ones who have fought for this country. Tricare for Life should not have a fee. Those on Tricare for life deserves not having fees. McCain, have you seen the physical shape thousand of Veterans are in. You need to give them more benefits instead of adding a fee. Whey don't you have your own BIG FAT SALARY cut. Boy, that would be a good savings considering you never served in the military. This administration is very disappointing, but you all talk such a great talk to get elected. Leave the Retirees alone. I hope when you retire Mr. MCCain someone will bother your Retirement benefits, you disgusting so call Man!!!!
HEY. IF THEY GO BACK TO THE DRAFT, WILL THEY GET THE SAME TYPE OF IDIOTS THAT ARE IN WASHINTON
McCain needs to look at where the government is spending money and stop the bleeding by stopping the free money and leave us veterans alone. clean up your own house first.
I agree that cuts in mlitary pay should be tied to those of government officials, but it's not going to happen. Who is going to do that? Them? All the money is going to the top. There will be no middle class soon, if this keeps up. Listen to the young people out there. Read their signs.
Enough of John McCain!
The self-serving miserable "lil angry man".
He wants all Viet Nam vets to kiss his ring,I think he had preferential treatment in the Hanoi Hilton,he was even offered and early out pass because of his daddy,a US Admiral.
Hey Mac,thank GOD you married a millionaire and you do not need the Tri-care you have voted to increase on we retired military and seriously wounded in ground combat .You had my respect once,now you have my disdain you disgruntled politico loser.
An ARMY Recon Infantryman 1968
A retired Navy man had to do contract work in Afghanistan while his Wife, my cousin, died of cancer to provide her healthcare coverage. Retires and their family deserve better than TRICARE not less. And I don’t believe how bad the VA pill hellcare is, is news to anyone. Millions being wasted in already broke cities on OWS protesters whom are an intricate part of Mr. Obama’s reelection campaign.
By the way there are a lot of veterans young and old at the OCW's in various cities. It's not about politics and politicians whether right or left are not asked to be there and are not even welcome. Many do not support Obama. But I am so sorry about your cousin and you're so right that the military people deserve better.
I'll bet Pres. Obama will have no problem cashing his presidential pension check for only 4 years of service! One of the reasons people join the military is for the benefits, it certainly isn't for the pay!!! Sen. McCain, you are a DISGRACE to the brave men and women of this country that don there uniform every day to provide a blanket of security for the people of this nation. Being a soldier is the most NOBLE job their is!! We provide this service out of love for this country, and should not be punished for it. All of you politicians would CRY LIKE LITTLE BITCHES if we even tried to take your benefits away,
McCain has lost the respect of many, many veterans who gave their service to this great country. He is a veteran and should understand this situtation. Cut all congressional benefits and see how they feel. One tour in office gives them a lifetime of benefits while veterans serve 20 or more years and are constantly threatened by cuts in their lifetime benefits.
Politicians should take a cut in pay, and also have to spend 20+ plus years before a retirement can be alowed. Thats what us retired military have to do. McCain should have more sense, being a former militery man.
Yes, I am a disabled veteran of the WWII & Korean era. What we now need is some able veteran with leadership ability to strat to organize veteran and retired service members to make a statement and if neccessary stand in Washington stating our needs. And get ALL of the combined veterans orginazations — VFW, American Legion, Atomic Veterans, DAV, Paralized Veterans & etc together for one cause, stand together for the service personel active and past services. there is power in numbers.
OWS is non-partisan, sorry. The Tea Party has been invited, too. Everyone is welcome and it is not a liberal movement. There are people all over the world protesting and they have similar problems. It's not just here.
If the report is true McCain consider yourself fired, and the respect you have for your military service and significant sacrafice a waste. Lets cut the entilements to the people who have never earned them first then start looking at the people that have.
McCain another one that says "I got mine, screw everyone else!" another worthless AZ congressman!
There are a couple of things that our elected representatives in Washington either cannot comprehend or cannot explain.
As they relate to the Veteran, and more specifically the Retired Veteran, the Consumer Price Index and the Cost of Living Allowance seem to have no bearing whatsoever in what we – the common man and woman – consume or realize on a daily basis as our actual "Cost" of living.
The aforementioned elected representatives wallow comfortably in the Public Sty and have their greedy snouts full time in the Public Trough. They seemingly care not a whit about how we feel about their regular and generous pay raises, glorious benefits packages, and retirement programs that bear no resemblance WHATSOEVER to ours. Are we, the taxpaying veterans supposed to sit by and watch our "Promised Benefits" either taken away or eroded to the point of Petty Cash while the entitlements for the functionally illiterate unemployable grow?. I think that I know how the Native American Indians must have felt 30 days after signing a treaty with Washington.
It seems that McCain has jump from the frying pan into the fire by jumping from the Repubilican to the Democratic party. We have entered into the darkest side of Government that can only be measured as totally Corrupt and without motive.
I thought there was a law that states that "Nobody is above the law" But the Government Embraces the fact that they make the laws so they are protected against punishment.
unfortunately McCain did not go to jail for his criminal association with Keating, he was guilty and got a "good ol boy" deal from the investigators. I am from his state and wouldn't vote for him if he was the only one in the race. Surely he doesn't need his EARNED MILITARY BENEFITS he has double dipped since retirement sucking off the public thru congress with superior medical care and retirement for life.. Let's see him offer some of that for congress, bet they will all vote for those reductions
No happy military = no more experience in the military. Good bye the true military dedication, hello to the military that does not care. No more career people to carry us in time of emergency..
Life’s tough, pilgrim, it’s even tougher when you are trying to balance the budget with politicians buying votes and democrats to feed that will not work.
He married his rich wife from Phoenix, AZ. He doesn't care about us. I'll never vote for him again. And he can take that to the bank. Why don't thoes big wigges in DC cut there benees. You can bet that want happen. They are to busy giving them selves a pay raise. It's time we vote them out. He sold us out.
Air Force retired over 27 tears
Hey, senator (lcit), how about you begin with cutting all YOUR benefits first. You know, john, your medical program, your retirement, have your family live on, say, my and other Vet's disability compensation. Give it a shot, senator. Not all of us who are retired Vet's, be they able bodied or disabled, are in the house or senate.
How about this: ONLY VETERANS ARE ALLOWED TO HOLD OFFICE AND/OR VOTE!!!
Wonder what Col Bud Day would say about this…
John McCain is a ( traitor) to all the Vets as are all who say that we the Vets should pay for you failed leadership. Why are you not reducing your benefits? Lead by example reduce yours first. How dare you!! All of you who are thinking about this. You sleep peacefully in your beds at night because rough men and woman stand ready to do evil on your behalf but this is how you thank us .
If it ain't broke, don't fix it !!!! I resent our legislators, who are OUR servants, trying to cut our benefits when they vote raises for themselves, have everything furnished to them, work part time, and have better benefits than many Americans in this country. I feel that we are not adequately represented. When these freshmen get to Washington, it takes no time at all for them to learn the ropes. If they aren't millionaires when they get there, they will be when they are out of there. We need term limits for these people. We can trust no one anymore. Even when McCain was running for president, I didn't trust him. He sounded like he was middle of the road. These people seem to want to cut the military, Social Security, and Medicare which are the three largest caches of money in the country. All I have to say is that, hopefully, we can get these people out of office next year, and hopefully, it won't be too late. God bless America and our military.
Veterans should have the finest health care available at no cost, they have paid their dues, I feel the Government is selling them out.
The government truly has turned into the American people's worst enemy.
He lost my rspect and support long ago, when he argeed to do something else like this. McCain is selfish like the others. He cares nothing about the military that he came from and if you believe he does your crazier than he is!!!!. This is totally loco….Our military time is for nothing anymore…a sad shame. This country will end up having to go back to draft….and will have problems just like dring Nam….it will be all these politicians faults…..you all need to be fired.
Lets cut politicians' pay, staff size and staff pay as well as all their benefits and freebees. Let's make them pay for their pensions and health benefits and pay an enrollment fee. Let's throw in term limits with very little paid to them in benefits once they are term limited. As far as I know, a congressman serving 1 term (2 years) gets a pension and lifetime health benefits but a Soldier, Sailor or Marine putting his life on the line serving 8 or 10 years gets nothing beyond the GI Bill unless they are injured.
From a LA Times article in April of 2008, before the last election:
"The Navy has classified him (McCain)as 100% disabled, which makes the pension taxfree. So is there a disparity and health concern in a White House candidate, who if elected would be the oldest man ever inaugurated president, also receiving a 100% disability military pension?" (He received over $58,000 in disability tax-free income that year according to the article.)
Are American servicemen really defending freedom and democracy at this point??? Really think about this question people. Or are they risking life and limb so that these thieving politicians, most of whom are draft dodgers and never served this nation a day in their lives, can live the good life, collect fat lifetime pensions, and ride their jets to 3K/head Wall Street sponsored dinners off of the sweat, blood, and tears of those in uniform. Can we really say this is still the America we all swore to defend on that fateful day at the processing center? Served 8 years in the USMC and my faith in the US and its leadership has been shaken to the core.
I heard dem sen Durbin say tonight that they can't cut funding for kids to go to college. We, the military retirees are defensless and easy picking. We didn't all retire at an O6 level, then get nearly $200 K annually for not doing a whole lot. The military is easy picking, but don't touch any social programs. We paid our dues. I remember in 1963 as an E-1 receiving $77.00 per month in $2.00 bills. I think they took out $3.00 in taxes to make the $2.00 work out even. In Nam I was promoted to E-5 and received $350 including combat pay, tax free. We didn't get to go to the 66 Bob Hope Christmas show because we were behind schedule. I voted for McCain because I didn't have a choice. I voted for a RINO versus a muslim Marxist. I have lost all respect for this RINO.
I WOULD BE GLAD TO GIVE UP WHAT HE IS AGREEING TO IF ALL RETIRED GOVERNMENT WORKERS AND CONGRESS PLUS SENATORS DO THE SAME
Sold out again as normal by a Congress and Executive branch with little to no experience in the military. Apparently the words "Duty, Honor, Country" are hollow. If these words (as well as all the other "catch phrases" used by the other branches) are only expected to apply to the worker bees and not the senior leadership (all the way up to the Congress, Senate and President) then they are meaningless.
While I am of "working age" (nicely undefined by McCain, so I guess that could imply anyone below Medicare age at which time TRICARE for Life kicks in…effectively meaning no retiree could ever get on TRICARE Prime), I am self-employed. One of the reasons I chose the self-employment route was because I HAVE access to TRICARE Prime as my health plan, having served over 25 years in the military. Congress will keep on nickle and diming retirees until retirement is meaningless.
I am a veteran, but not a retiree. McCain is further establishing his position as a RINO. This proposal is beyond belief! Those who have served 20 years deserve every benefit they've been promised. There is NO other job that requires you to be on call 24/7/365. Those serving in congress should receive no retirement benefit. They don't have jobs or serve any lasting purpose. . .
Thanks McCain, you really sold out your own kind this time. You and Jane Fonda buddies now?
sorry to tell you, McCain is a LIEberal, just like your buddy dims, for the last 2 years YOUR buddies have not given COLA to vets, thanks alot LIEberals
Yep, they keep mess with the retirees and the young people looking on won't go for it when it comes time for another war. Every wonder what would happen if EVERYONE said "hell no, we won't go"??. We elect these people to support us on these issue. We go because we are proud to serve OUR country but DAMN them slap us in the face after we give all. My dad served and retired on the same promise that I went in for, medical support was an issue. They forced the retirees off the base in his area. I was going to vote for McCain because I was sure he would support the Vets after what he had been through. I guess his comfort zone has had an effect on his memories huh?
Retired Air Force DV.
McCain's support for Obama dosen't suprize me. He calls it reaching accross the aisle, this is something he has done quite often in his career, that is one reason he was not elected president. He sides with the dems many times and he should be held accountable. Retirees and your fanilies dont forget these kinds of politians they claim to support us but when we really need them they are AWOL. We need to send them home and cut their benefits to match ours.
the scumbag son of a bitch,the same coward that caved as a POW.
The monkey has to go
go back to the hanoi hilton and getg your shit in order. how can youi recommend cuts to us retirees. cut your senate retiree pension and get with medicare for your care not the over bloared system you washingto big wigs are ubder . get real !
a few corrections bloared { bloated} ubder {under} McCain you are an idiot
This just discuses me that the government isn't just trashed the economy they want to trash anything and everything that they can. Maybe McCain should go buy a recliner and a new tv and make himself comfortable. Oh and don't forget to cut ALL his benefits and anything else that he gets. I'm sure he has 100% disability, take that away also so he can save and build that pot up a bit more while he is at it. McCain I can't believe you!
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Their bennies stay secure again, & ours are now screwed – again. Thanks Congress !
He took to many wacks to his head with a bamboo stick.
I am a retired Army SFC and I am also a disabled Vet. During my Army career, I did a tour as an Army Recruiter. I was a Gold Badge Recruiter. As a recruiter, I never lied to any of my recruits. I was always up front and tried to give the truest picture of what life would be like in the United States Army. During my tour as a recruiter, I was under the impression that I would always have "Free" medical care. What most recruiters told their perspective enlistees was what they believed at that time. Please stop calling recruiters, liars!! One of the things I valued the most was my integrity. Most of the other men and women I served with as recruiters felt the same way. We were lied to the same way you were lied to, by our so called leadership of this nation. These people will say anything to get what they want! And what they want is to line their own pocket with as much cash as they can. Most of them (congressmen and politicians in general) don't care about integrity, loyalty, sacrifice or duty. They only care about one thing, themselves! The sooner most people realize this the sooner we will stop putting and keeping these people in office. Let's hold an election in which no one votes! Let's close the polling stations and not allow anyone to vote. Let's go to the post offices and confiscate all absentee ballots. Then let's have another election in which we elect everyday citizens to every position that exists today. In other words, let's start all over again and put people in office who understand what it's like to have to go to work every day and not get paid enough to pay their bills. Not get paid enough to take a vacation every holiday. Not be able to cover their health care expenses. Not been able to find a job for 18 months. These are the people who will understand what it's like to be an American!
I wonder what Sarah Palin thinks of the Senator from Arizona now? We are waiting to hear what she has to say about him. Might be the reason she decided not to run for the top post and may wish to disassociate herself and the Tea Party from any ties with the McCain machine. Sarah recently said "My decision is based upon a review of what common sense Conservatives and Independents have accomplished, especially over the last year. I believe that at this time I can be more effective in a decisive role to help elect other true public servants to office – from the nation’s governors to Congressional seats and the Presidency. We need to continue to actively and aggressively help those who will stop the “fundamental transformation” of our nation and instead seek the restoration of our greatness, our goodness and our constitutional republic based on the rule of law." She hit the nail right on "true public servants to office." Ms. Palin we also want to hear what you think about McCain's letter to the budget supercommittee. Then too make certain the Tea Party gets the message to all active and retired military personnel and their dependents if still alive, and not lying in green fields because they died serving our country before reaching their thirties. Or still lie dead in sand dunes in Iraq and a dozen other places around the globe. Thoughts from a 27 year veteran including both enlisted and officer service. (See http://www.sarahpac.com/ for her decision not to run.)
Maybe all of is disablevets and vets should go to DC and PROTEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am a firm believer that all military Retirees after age 65 deserves Tricare For Life at no cost. No politician should get free Tricare due to huge retirement money they get. McCain, you have lost all of your respect from me.
Medicare is 110.00 a month and they aren't charging YET for Tricare For Life. But I feel after what is charged to have medicare, why should a Retiree have to pay for Tricare for life??? Makes no sense to me. Maybe we should all just start walking bent over for more screwing.
McCain is selling us down the river. McCain has outlived his value to the national defense and should have retired at the end of his last term. He was a terrible candidate for the Presidency and he more than anyone else has us stuck with Obama. Guess he forgot where he came from.
I think the government has gone to far in cutting anything concerning the military retirees,if anyone has earned their due the retirees have.
Bottom line what a loser (McCain) is, we need 2 4ward all comments 2 his office,news,family & friends 4 everyone 2c what McCain & Congress r trying 2 do 2 use. Remember not everyone has a computer or know about this web site._Will 4ward a copy 2 all.
Hay McCain, 5 years pow, who's side you on?
What does McCain care. He gets his $174,000 per year as one of those hog-at-the-trough Senator.
Everyone should write mccain and tell him that we support him…. NOT, and I am hoping that arizona elects a true conservative the next time around
I wonder what Sarah Palin thinks of the Senator from Arizona now? We are waiting to hear what she has to say about him. Might be the reason she decided not to run for the top post and may wish to disassociate herself and the Tea Party from any ties with the McCain machine. Sarah recently said "My decision is based upon a review of what common sense Conservatives and Independents have accomplished, especially over the last year. I believe that at this time I can be more effective in a decisive role to help elect other true public servants to office – from the nation’s governors to Congressional seats and the Presidency. We need to continue to actively and aggressively help those who will stop the “fundamental transformation” of our nation and instead seek the restoration of our greatness, our goodness and our constitutional republic based on the rule of law." She hit the nail right on "true public servants to office." Ms. Palin we also want to hear what you think about McCain's letter to the budget supercommittee. Then too make certain the Tea Party gets the message to all active and retired military personnel and their dependents if still alive, and not lying in green fields because they died serving our country before reaching their thirties. Or still lie dead in sand dunes in Iraq and a dozen other places around the globe. Thoughts from a 27 year veteran including both enlisted and officer service. (See http://www.sarahpac.com/ for her decision not to run.)
McCain could care less about benefits as he has the best retirement plan in the world! Forget his military service, he is now part of the ELITE society…..a retired US Senator…who receives his salary for the rest of his life, along with FREE health care, FREE dental care, complete openess to ALL military bases along with priority treatment in FRONT of all servicemen and women regardless of their ailment to include Wounded Warriors! Why should it concern him or any other member.of congress……IT'S FREE TO ALL OF THEM!
If the Federal Government wants to make changes to the military retirement and Tricare systems, let them….BUT only for new enlistees. See what that does for your all-volunteer force. The government made promises to alot of veterans and retirees and now want to renege on them. Tantmount to tellng us “we used you, got what we wanted from you and now we are kicking you to the curb”. I, for one, am not surprised with this tactic. The military has always been an easy target for cost cutting, except when it comes to new weapons systems, since the defense contractors are a major source of revenue for politicians.
I have over thirty five years of military service, US Marine Corp and the US Army three wars. I would expect nothing less from from the worthless leaders we now have in the US Congress. There interest in not the people but the money interest that lines there pockets. The new young of this nation must now step up to the plate and save us as in the wall street marchers. To old to fight a war but will support the new war front of the young.
"McCain Okay With Military Benefit Cuts" He is a traitor and should be ashamed. At one time I was very proud of and looked up to brothers in arms like him. He may have started his political career with good intentions but (just like the rest) has become nothing more than another egotistical career politician with an exaggerated sense of self-importance and intelligence. They are now taking money and benefits from those who worked for them and are giving them to those who don't or won't work and people who are in the country illegally. This must be a bad dream. How could things get turned around this bad when the most intelligent people in the country are calling the shots. I'm afraid things will never get back like they should be until everything hits bottom and starts over if you know what I mean…
Should I suggest that we back behind those kids on Wall Street. Once again the top money earners in America are being kept with low taxes and the rest of us pay the dues.
I served 26 years in the three sections of the Army (Active, Reserve and National Guard) with pride. And now we the volunteers are set aside because we are no longer needed, let see how long this volunteer force will last with those empty promises and how this country will survive with the draft, God help us, oooh I am sorry we even forget about him to, and are getting rid of him to. Our forefathers must be turning in their graves!!!!!
McCain, why in the hell aren't you going after the millionaires that do hide among Senators and other government workers? and leave these people who had worked hard for you and others to be able to take as many vacations as you all like in all the exotic countries. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK MCCAINE.
Of course McCain thinks the committee should cut military benefits; they aren't talking about cutting his. Why don't we limit what politicians get paid? How about we limit their benefits? Why do they get great retirement packages for life while in Florida teachers face getting their paycheck based on how well kids in their class learn? You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. How come when our country was getting sunk deeper into debt, the politicians in charge at that time didn't get pay cuts? These people are unbelievable, f-ing unbelievable.
All any of them care about is their damn party not the country or its citizens.
What a bunch of crap! McCain is a sellout. You just lost any respect that I have/hadfor you. Horray for you and the hell with the rest of us veterans of the United States military.
to those in Congress and to include the White House, it wasn't us enlisted that put troops in harms way, it was those of you in Washington who put troops in harms way and they are the same one who got this country in to this mess, not only do you what to make those who served honorably for 20 or more years but you still insist to put it on the back of the lower enlisted ranks who has served. Before you take away from those who has served faithfully why first stop sending troops to defend other nation, stop paying governments money while at the same time providing security. Our government is paying billions of dollars to Pakistan God know how much money we have paid into Iraqi and to the rest of the Middle east, what about bringing our troops home from Europe, and Asia and Middle East and Africa, McCain I did vote for you I will never make that mistake again and for those try and resolve the deficit on those who served honorably. Instead of asking us to give why aren't all you who are Career Politician paying back all the Pork Barrel spending, I can go on but it just another way that enlisted gets screwed.
McCain is just a senile old bastard. His mentality is why he never got to be commander- in -chief and should never have even been considered for the position. A better selection on the part of the republicans at that time might have prevented Obummer and his clan from getting in and destroying this country which all us Veterans were so proud to defend not sure that could be the same thinking of today's Veterans when they discover they were duped into believing someone cared about them.
Once again, it is time to screw the military…..I guess the brainwashing in Hanoi finally got to him……let alone pay for Medicare at 65 now they want us to pay for the supplement as well…..so much for Medical care the rest of your life as promised back in 68 for going 20 or 30 years……..maybe if they are going to charge these fees, the Officers should pay more than enlisted, I am sure an Admiral, General, etc…get more of a retirement check then us enlisted do…..but they pay the same rate as us……
all milltary and veterans of AMERICA should all get together and protest and demand congress to give up there benefits.LET ALL OF US TAKE THEM OUT.AND PUT SOME REAL VETERANS TO RUN CONGRESS. WE PUT OUR LIFE ON THE LINE FOR THIS KNOW GOOD CONGRESS!!!!!!!! I'M MAD AS HELL!!!!!!!!! YOU DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH VETERANS!!!!!
McCain should be ashamed of himself. He receives his military benefits but of course he doesn't really need it. He is a disgrace to the veterans. I guess he fell under the spell of the present administration.
Wake up people McCain has NEVER been a advocate for veterans – he married rich, was born with a silver spoon and could care less about veterans- I repeat McCain has NEVER been an advocate for veterans just look at his historical voting record.
I wonder what Sarah Palin thinks of the Senator from Arizona now? We are waiting to hear what she has to say about him. Might be the reason she decided not to run for the top post and may wish to disassociate herself and the Tea Party from any ties with the McCain machine. Sarah recently said "My decision is based upon a review of what common sense Conservatives and Independents have accomplished, especially over the last year. I believe that at this time I can be more effective in a decisive role to help elect other true public servants to office – from the nation’s governors to Congressional seats and the Presidency. We need to continue to actively and aggressively help those who will stop the “fundamental transformation” of our nation and instead seek the restoration of our greatness, our goodness and our constitutional republic based on the rule of law." She hit the nail right on "true public servants to office." Ms. Palin we also want to hear what you think about McCain's letter to the budget supercommittee. Then too make certain the Tea Party gets the message to all active and retired military personnel and their dependents if still alive, and not lying in green fields because they died serving our country before reaching their thirties. Or still lie dead in sand dunes in Iraq and a dozen other places around the globe. Thoughts from a 27 year veteran including both enlisted and officer service.
McCain is selling retires and future retires out. He must be forgetting the sacrifice our men and women who was and currently willing to give their life for this country. Adding enormous physical and mental on their mind and body. Active military and retiree let your voices be heard–flood your senators email with your concerns.
I truly unfortunate that one of only a few honorable ex-military politicians turn his back on his military supporters.
Doing that means he is not honorable. You were mistaken but of course, people like McCain spend lots of money and effort to make sure you are mistaken. A better example of an honorable veteran who served in the Senate might be Chuck Hagle who is now retired. He served as an infantry officer in RVN and when in office he supported vet's causes.
I always knew that John McCain was one of the more stupid Senators. Even being a Republican for life, I wouldn't vote for him, because I knew the public would not support him, especially after running with Sarah Palin, What a dunce!!
All these cuts to improve te economy is the wrong thing to do. The more cuts, the more people loose their jobs and the worse things get. Here is what we need to do to get this country back to where it used to be.
1. Penalize companies for moving business and production overseas.
(We used to supply the world, now the world supplies us)
2. Put an import tax on everything that comes into the U.S.
(If it is not from here it gets taxed)
3. Limit the percentage of how many foreign cars one family can own.
(There is no reason why one can't be American)
4. Stop immigration totally, we can't employ what we have now.
( There are more people in California then there is in Canada)
( U.S. 350 million- Canada 30 million)
5. Stop foreign aid totally. Cut their benefits before you cut ours.
(They don't appreciate it anyway, they hate us. We're stupid)
6. Get the monkey off our back- China. They are communist remember.
(They intend to be number one and we are buying into it big time)
We need to make some major changes to survive and prosper. Same old same old is no longer going to cut it.
Huh…I didn't think the Republicans would sell vets out so publicly; their style is more create a debt crisis by combining tax cuts with massive spending and then demand that the next sucker (guaranteed to be a Democrat, after years of Republican abuse) in the Oval Office fix it and so take the heat for cutting vet benefits.
So I'd say the truth is McCain is being unusually upfront and honest – for a Republican.
We can post messages all day long but do you think they care? NOT Lets take there care away how pays for it us?
So lets get off our dead asses and form a third party. Then we could run real decent working Americans for office and end this nightmare. As long as the two parties that got us in this mess are the only choices we've got, we're screwed. They have us right where they want us. Imagine sending enough decent people to DC that they could make the changes needed to give us back our country. Imagine America working for working class people again like it did way back in the 1960's? The saddest part of this whole screwed up mess is that we could stop these corrupt politicians dead in their tracks every 4 years but we just don't do it. Next time you get mad at whichever party you hate, don't make the mistake of looking to the party you trust. They are not your friends and they do not care about you. This is a fight that won't be easy, but it can be done. The other choice is to let the America we grew up in vanish forever and with it any decent future for us, our kids and grandkids.
seems like Mcain needs to read these posts and listen to the majority all of us cant be wrong
The republican party is always going on and on about how THEY are the real Americans. They run their mouths endlessly about how THEY support the troops. What BS. They cook up a war in Iraq based on fairy tales about WMDs when they should have been going after the people who attacked us on 9/11. Now that they've conned the troops into war and gotten what they need out of the military, they show their true face. These are the same scumbags that are after the Social Security benefits paid for in every paycheck a working American earns. Seems like the way they operate is to get what they need from soldiers, marines, working people in general and then turn around and steal what they've earned. The Bible talks about people like McCain and abuses of power like this. It says clearly in Isaiah that these scumbags will burn in Hell for this type of behavior. I pray that its true and every one of these parasites who call themselves our leaders spend eternity in a hot damn place.
You are correct Jonathan. I checked into their current retirement system. One thing that a lot of people don't know or realize is that members of Congress can legally do insider trading in the stock market on information they acquire from contacts and knowing what bills will likely pass. That's where many of them pad their bank accounts (i.e. Nancy Pelosi's husband dumped stock before the big bubble burst because he got inside information – in a bad economy Nancy Pelosi's worth grew 16% – certainly wasn't from her Congressional pay).
Revamping the military systems was tried in the 80's and recruitment went to hell in a hand.basket. Doing what is being proposed by these progressive idiots and self-serving politicians will effectively kill our Constitutionally guaranteed standing military. Mr. Obama and all the other socialist/fascist think politicians will be in hog heaven when that occurs because that one of the things they are striving to accomplish. I was shocked that Mr. McCain has completely went to their side. Although I respect his service & rank I believe he must be getting senile and if we can get someone here to run against him I will certainly vote to send Mr. McCain into retirement.
Most of these posts seem to assume cutting McCain's benefits from the Senate would actually hurt him. Uhh-remember Cindy McCain? "Upon her father's death in 2000, she inherited majority control and became chair of Hensley & Co., one of the largest Anheuser-Busch beer distributors in the United States." He is so rich that he couldn't even remember how many houses he owns (7). HE IS THE 1% ! He will protect the 1% and not you!
McCain is a traitor to the past, present, and future military servicemen. Back in 1954, I was promised free medical and dental care for my spouse and I for the
rest of our lives. What bull shit. Retirees…………..reelect that boy from Illinois
and you'll see much more corosion of our benefits. It's a damn shame that we
have to put with idiots like McCain and Ubama.
As long as we support either the democrat or republican parties we will continue to see our lives go downhill. If you are old enough to remember this country in say 1964, then you KNOW that we no longer even live in the same country. The only two groups in control since that time have been democrats and republicans. They've both had periods of time where they were strong enough to pass what laws they chose to. Neither one of them has done anything worthwhile for the bottom 99% of Americans in all that time. Both parties run this country for the benefit of the wealthiest 1%. We should all abandon these two parties and stand behind a new one that sees things like we do. If that party left divisive issues alone and concentrated ONLY on legislation that dealt with our pay and benefits we could regain what we've had stolen from us for the past decades. I'd much rather live back when working people got good pay, good benefits and job security than in what we've become. If we keep going like this what kind of world do we leave our kids?
I USED to be a John McCain supporter…..no more!!! His approach is a ripoff of retirees like myself and the federal government workers and Senators/Congressmen need a total rework of their system of benefits before they even think of us!!
What about the Earned Income Credit paid to those that don't pay taxes. The Government refunds over $60 billion a YEAR to people who don't even pay taxes. How about a $10-$12 billion cut per year in their benefits, that they didn't work for! Contact your Senator and Congressmen and ask why this free giveaway program hasn't even been brought up for any reductions. Instead they EIC has been increasing at the rate of about 3.5% each year even when the government said there was no inflation (the last two years).
why do you think he not potus right now he sells every one out
Ladies & Gentleman,
I hate to be a BUNGHOLE here, but an overwhelming majority of Americans do not relate to people who have served in the military.
Somewhere between 1% – 5% of the population has served in the military.
Military personnel do not relate to society as well.
Retired members pay $200/yr for Healthcare.
Active Duty Families pay $500/yr for Healthcare.
Average Family of 4 pays $2500/yr for Healthcare.
The Fixed benefit system of our parent's generation has been long dead & gone.
Less than 17% of all enlisted personnel who have served make it to 20+years & receive retirements.
2011 is the optimum year to initiate cuts.
Why?
Because of the current unemployment & economic situation.
The military budget will get cut "significantly" this year.
FACT.
I can constantly overwhelm you w/ stats, but you can shout til the mountaintops, It's the inevitable. If not 2011, 2012, it will be soon.
It may not be what's in your self interest but it's in the best interest for he county.
You leave out the fact that we're in this mess due to poor leadership, not some shortcoming on the part of working Americans. I fail to see how it benefits the country to unfairly screw working people out of benefits earned. Remember that while McCain is calling for benefit cuts, he is also insisting on extending the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy. If you want to do what's right for the country, return to the tax rates on the wealthy that were in effect when Reagan took office. The steady efforts of the republican party to lower wealthy people's taxes has a direct connection to attempts to cut retirement and Social Security benefits. According to you, we should all just smile and hand over what we've worked hard for so some SOB who never worked a day in his miserable rich life can have even more wealth?
The majority of the rich in this country EARNED that money .. it wasn't given to them. The issue/problem is the Country is spending far more than it takes in. Increasing the tax on the rich (who already pay more than 60 percent of all federal income tax) is short-sighted and won't even make a dent in our overall debt. Would suggest that you stop making others to be the scapegoat. We have a debt problem that will take ALL of us to fix … that means we retirees, too.
I agree with most of the prior comments. When I took the oath 47 years ago, and again 45 years ago, it was with the full knowledge that the law at that time stated that I would be entitled to full medical benefits and a certaim percentage of my pay for life. In part, it was understood that this was because I was placing myself between those at home and those who might do them harm; in part, it was because the pay I would receive during my term of service would likely be considerably less than a civilian occupation with comparable responsibility and/or authority. Deferred compensation, if you will.
Continued: I have come to believe that we should vacate the District of Columbia of all persons not employed by the Federal Government or elected to office thereof. Provide housing for elected officials from the vacated properties. Require the National Park Service to maintain and operate the rest. Accept the fact that elected officials (Representatives,
Still more: Senators, the President and Vice President, and appointed officials (the Secretaries and senior staff of the various Departments) are NOT EMPLOYEES. Therefore, they are not entitled to nor eligible for any of the perks that employees receive, such as health insurance, Social Security, or retirement programs. Limit pay for a Representative to 4 times the poverty level for a family of the appropriatet size, a Senator to 6 times the poverty level, and the President and Vice President to 8 times the poverty level.
Require, by Constitutional Amendment, that any contribution to a campaign for office must be made by a US Citizen who is entitled to vote in the election for which the campaign is run. That way, no one not a resident Citizen of the Congressional District will be allowed to contribute to the Representative's election. That takes business and out-of-state special interests out of the picture. Same for the Senate – if you are not a Citizen, resident in the State, you may not contribute to the campaign. Any Citizen of the United States could contribute to a Presidential campaign, or the the political party of their choice – with no limits. These sensible changes to our laws would have a significant impact on our elected officials, and make them more accountable to those whom they represent – the people of their home States.
Sign me up. I'm with you all the way.
I am sure that McCain is 100% disablied due to his POW years, retired military and drawing social security, plus to his Purple Heart and POW status he receivews 100% free VA Medical care. Maybe we sould start requireing a MEANS Test for our Combat Heroes. Sad for him, I spent 23 years in the Military both sate side and over sees. The military could save probally 1/3rd of their budget by getting rid of at least 1/3rd of the cililian job force that supports all branches. Their is more time spent trying to get out of work than actually preforming the job. I have been there for many years.
I no longer have any respect for this person who was once my hero. He has betrayed his comrades in arms.
He is no longer on our side its time for him to go. Elect him out of office AZ.
Why don't we all copy every reply and send it to McCain! That would get his attention now wouldn't it!
Do honestly think that HE gives a DAMN about you or what you think?
If Mcain was not in poloitics and didnt have to worry about the benifits because he is well taken care of with all the other wealth protecting politicians
,he might rethink his position on cutting the much earned and promised
military benifits that we still have to fight for after serving our country.Not to mention the thousands of service men & women who are'nt even aware of
compensation and benifits due to them. What happened to the guy that was a POW and one of us?
I am service -connected veteran who got injury would his country in Germany and can't believe what I read about McClain supporting cutting our benefits that I earned. I can't get no doctor's appointment at the VA because the folks there can't input my information right. I depend on the disability compensation check that I get each beginning of the month. All members of Congress should cut their benefits and pay and give to all to the veterans and their dependants for saving their way of life.
Hanoi Jane and Hanoi McCain, what a pair!!!
While I appreciate your sacrifice/s and service to this country, I can't help but see that you have lost your way when it comes to your brothers in arms.
As far as I can tell none of us are asking for something that we weren't already promised, or are already getting (little though it is). We have always put country first and excepted poverty for pay, separation of family, limited business/employment opportunity and the stifling of our own pursuit of happiness for the good of the citizenry.
And the reciprocity is abandonment?
Though you may have been an outstanding or maybe just an officer within the services at one time, now you have shown yourself as the sand flea that you are; a simple parasite only concerned about the host you feed upon at least until it dies.
good idea about these welfare recipiens, train them for a military job and let them serve for their benefits. every one in washington could take a pay cut. 25% each would make up for alll the raises they have had in the past. that will save billions over one year. we wouldn.t have a budget problem. good lord why not pay more taxes if you over a million a year. Desert storm veterans have been forgotten, veerry few have recived just benefits. because of cover ups.worse than vietnam,
Everyone in Washington is failing us and the rest of the American people in every way possible. If any of us during our careers had failed to get things done the way these people have failed, we would have been relieved.
This election we need to VOTE NO INCUMBENTS. Whether you'er a life long democrat or republican, vote your beliefs, but not for those who have consistently failed us for the past four years. This president and this congress needs to go. We have the government we deserve. Lets change it…..
Another commission….really! I served my country proudly in the Air Force for 20 years. I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE SENATOR McCAIN IS BACKING THIS PRESIDENTIAL MOVE. IT SURE SEEMS TO ME THAT WHEN THIS COUNTRY, OF LATE, NEEDS FUNDS TO BLOW, THEY TURN TO THE SENIORS OR RETIRED MILITARY. Maybe Congress needs to be reminded of how they received their positions and why they are in Washington…..
Third parties have been tried a few times in my memory. They always seem to fail. Right now, we need a third party and we badly need it to win. Both of the major parties are corrupt to the core and neither one of them gives a damn about working class Americans, including the military. Sure, come election time they'll both be tripping all over themselves sucking up to the military. Once safely elected though, their attitude is to hell with you. Obama promised lots of great things and lived up to none of it. The phony healthcare reform is typical of all his efforts. Promise a lot, give only a pale imitation of what you promised and then claim total success. McCain as we have seen is no better. The BEST thing we could do for ourselves and our country is to send a third party to power and send the democrats and republicans into retirement. They only screw us like they do because it never comes back to haunt them. If it did, even just once, they'd be in shocked panic. They'd even be willing to do one or two small things for the American people to buy their way back to corrupt control. So, if you hate democrats or you can't stand republicans, remember, they're in on it together. The answer is NEVER to trust one of these parties just because you hate the other. The one you trust as it turns out will screw you just as hard and just as fast as the one you hate. So DUMP THEM BOTH.
Shame on our President and all members of congress for even thinking about cutting benefits or adding payments for benefits for military retirees and their families and current active military personnel upon their retirement. We were promised these benefits and there should be no changes for those who have been promised this benefit. If change is "needed" then let it start with newly enlisted or commissioned personnel letting them know what the new "rules" are. Also, I would like to see the benefits received by congress and the President cut and/or eliminated…only having to serve one term and then being able to reap many benefits has got to STOP!!! Think of how much money that would save over the next ten years.
If a &200.00 annual fee for Tricare For Life is necessary for our government to handle its expenditures, then we are in a bigger jam than I first believed. If it means my kids and grandkids will have a better chance, I will gladly fork it over. There is definitely something flawed in a system that employs you for 20 years and is required to keep you on the payroll, with subsidized medical care for 45 years, as in my case. The military needs to revamp itself, or else we will be a nation where over one half of its citizens are dependent on government.
I currently pay 460.00 per year, goes up to 520.00 in January.
He does not care about us, he is a retired 06 and probably makes about 60k and his 185k from his congressional pay. So, sure, let's get some money from the military refugees and congress can have some more to spend. I used to think he was a good guy, but he is just like the rest of them.
How can this so called "SUPER COMITTEE", and Mr. MCain, even consider cutting the benifits of Americans that have made the greatest sacrafices of all Americans! I believe that most of these people that are on this committee and the whole Congress are amongst the 1%, are rich. They say that they are doing these things that are in the best interest of our country. What they don't say that they also doing what is in their best interest and the rest of the 1%'s. I think it is the time for the so called, "SILENT MAJORITY", to quit being silent!
My husband spent 26 yrs in the military this all nonsence. The military and the retiress and the disabled are always targeted for cut and trying to get more money out these people is heart less.they put in heir time and some never came home. I would never vote anyone in that wants to this. Large part of these people don't have anything else. This will only anger people more. We see some demonstration already. I fell if our goverment keeps up with this attitude they are going to fellthe wrath of this country and I believe it willh happen in the nest election. Let taxes people that have and make over 150,000 per year. see how they like it when there life style is compremized and pocket book is is not so fat. I bet then they will change .their atttitude.
I often feel Money talks bull S*** walks the poor jsut get poorer and the working man takes one step forward and 2 steps backward. as along as we have people in congress that is not looking in the direct of making the rich pay too. After this is their country also and they need to take cuts in their pay to get it back on tract also.BJK.
As I have always stated, I lost faith in our Government when I returned home from Nam. I distrust every one in Congress. They are only out for what they can gain for themselves. Shame on you Mr McCain.
Should be military retirees.
Before the congress cuts earned military benefits, they should cut their benefits first. Then cut a few billions of foreign aid to corrupt foreign governments especially those that don't have strategic importance to the USA.
Cut a few billions in foreign aid and use it to provide the promised/earned benetis to the active and retired military; extend the unemployment benefits to those who worked so hard but are now unemployed because of the lapses in government law enforcement. We didn't cause the financial crisis. The rich banks and irresponsible financial institutions – FANIMAE and FREDIEMAC, with the indifference of the FED and other concerned government agencies caused it. Now the government wants us to cut our benefits so that they could pay for all the debts that the politicians incurred for the nation. The politilcians/democrats love to give unearned benefits to the illegal aliens, to those who are too lazy to work, and to people who came to the USA so that they can take advantage of the welfare system.
Lets not forget the republicans. At the same time they call for cuts in your benefits and cuts to Social Security they are calling for tax cuts for the rich. They also still insist on paying billions in subsidies to Big Oil. Are you aware that the advertising done by American business in foreign countries is paid for by you and your taxes. The republicans give away more to the wealthy and big corporations in one year than the democrats hand out to the poor in a decade.
If they want to changethe bennifits fine, but make grand father them. That way the youngsters that are volunteering can make an educated decision. I spent 23 years with the understanding that when I retired that I would have medicle coverage for the rest of my life at no cost. now I pay a premium and now they want to increase it and cut the cverage. it isn't right
I share your concerns about the erosion of promised retiree benefits. My reserve slot became unfunded and I essentially have been working for the military almost for free and paying travel expenses out of pocket. On the other hand, the bad news is if we don't cut government spending none of us will be getting a paycheck at all. Government bankruptcy is a real threat!
Then Why in God's name is the republican party pushing so damned hard to extend tax cuts for the wealthy and subsidies for Big Oil? You will NEVER convince me that all this cutting is in America's interest as long as we're still talking about these tax cuts and subsidies. Do you honestly see this as right or fair?
Shame on you McCain. I served my country in the military for 20 years, knowing that I would have medical benefits for myself and my family and you are trying to take that away. Shame, Shame, Shame!!!
For the first time in my lifetime I an afraid of the United States Government. Those who sit in positions of authority and power are self impowered and we have let them do so. There needs to be much better checks and balances in our so called democratic system. I had much respect for McCain, but no longer. To save our country cut the extravagant salaries and free medical care. not to mention the congressional and senatorial retirement system. We no longer have leaders in this country, we simply have vested money grabbers.
The so called war hero. It was a joke when he ran for President and just think how the military would be screwed if he had won. He has been a disgrace for a long time, but no one wanted to say it out loud. Really his cuts are over 10 years? Let's cut the benefits for Congress immediately and in 2012, 2013, 2014 and you must serve three terms for any benefits.
McCain never did his 20 or 30 yrs. He got his retirement for being a POW. He's made his millions$$$ so he doesn't give a shit about any vet. He's a turn coat!!
I am a retired disabled veteran of 20 years Naval service. I depend on my retirement pay and Tricare for life (and Social security). That is what convinced me to serve my country for 20+ years.
Please don't take these benefits away from us.
They should go after all the military wives popping out babies as surrogates and using Tricare and the military hospitals to cover it, all the while being paid 25,000-40,000+ per pregnancy. In San Diego it is an epidemic.
When will politicians stop doing what is politically expedient and do WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO?
Please publish a list of the few supporters we have left in Congress and of veterans running for Senate and House seats for the first time….I want to support them.
This means tha mccain (yes I am using lower casing becouse he does not deserve respect) will take his cut in life time pension and medical. A 23 years VETERAN.
Perhaps this is McCain's last stand. I question if he's willing to give up his and other congressional members' instant life benefits.. I seriously feel the President and McCain consider utilization of the still existing gas pit in Dachau and put all U. S. seniors and retired military in there and let history repeat itself. Problem solved for the disposable society of U.S.seniors and military retirees. Highly suggest that it be done quickly before the next election.
BTW, even though the U.S. is cutting it's military forces, you "innocent" children who enlist and will be needed again for some "crisis", please seriously be conscious that the military perks are really a myth.
Mccain has always been a sell out when it comes to military benefits, check his record, however he has always been defended because he was a pow. If you keep voting Republician all of our benefits will be gone, because they do not care.
He was a POW hero. Now he is a POPP! Prisoner of Poisoned Politicians
You would think that after serving in the military and was even a POW, he would understand the plight of the retiree. Why must we be the ones to suffer so that you can waste more on yourselves? Cut your benefits first and continue to cut them annually, no raises, no free healthcare, no nothing. Then pay your own medical insurance while having to pay just to enroll. Once you see what you are doing to us, then you will understand why we are so against our cuts.
The man is a trader to all who have served and are now serving. If they need to cut the budget so bad then cut their own pay and benefits. However they are too greedy to cut from their own pay and benefits.
mccain my first reaction to hearing this news as a 100% Disabled Marine is you are a DISCRACE to the Military Personnel, Veterans and to the United States of America!
Leave and go some place more toward your likeing. And to think I considered you a Hero. What a waste….
Why are any of us surprised by Sen. John McCain? He is what he is- a spoiled ego maniac who used his POW status at every chance to launch and further his political career. The only time John McCain comes close to being a conservative has always been about 16-18 months before re-election time. He is what he is. Meanwhile, if we could put all US Congressmen and Senators under the Oscial Security system that we have, the same Health Care cafeteria plan that my wife and I have a government employees, and make them live under the same rules, laws and regulations that they pass and force upon the constituents, we could probably save the country. As it is, we're pass the tipping point economically.. Basically, we're screwed.
Did he spend so much time as a POW he was brain washed.
Yet another kick in the gut to thank us for our many years of service to our country. Just another broken promise about our eroding benefits. It doesn't seem to get any better but we should be getting more accustomed to this kind of shameful treatment. You can bet that I am going to voice my position well beyond the 2012 election. Please do the same thing.
Wow. Imagine that–McCain is all for cutting active and retirees benefits; however, I do not recall him stating that Congressional members retirement should be cut also. Let’s face it, we in the military served our country for 20 years to get a pension and they on the other hand, are only required to stay in office so many terms to get a pension for the rest of their lives. Humm…it just does not equate to being fair regardless of how you look at. Again, we defended this country so that they could make stupid butt laws that only benefits them.
I think you need to clean up the House and Senate retirement and medical care before you start taking money away from those that have served in the Military. How much money is spent on Senators and Congressmen each year on their retirement and health care?!
typical politician, he's got his, screw us. can you believe he was military.
Sorry, but it is time that we in the retirement community do our share in helping keep expenses down. Anyone seen the astronomical growth of military healthcare costs over the past several years? The Country (that would be us) cannot afford to have so much of our defense budget go towards these personnel costs. It's unsustainable.
So … what shall we compromise on in order to make strides toward reducing these costs? Putting our head in the sand … or digging our heels in and yelling that these guys/gals had better not touch any of our benefits, regardless of the financial impact on our defense budget/Country is not a position of strength. It's myopic, self serving and, in the long run, injurious to our cause..
I'm sure I'll catch heck for this post, but I do know the world we live in has changed … changed dramatically. We are on a sinking ship, financially, and we all need to work together to get the hole plugged, and the ship righted. Part of that will happen come next November, but we must honest enough to recognize that sacrifices will be required from all.
This asshole spent to mmuch time as a pow.
I cant believe what I just heard McCain woke up in Hanoi Janes bed last week
I think that McCain should try to find some other means of saving our deficit spending such as two wars at one time. Our life blood has been lost by wars and graft. We should speak truth to power.
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Bonus army happens once again. 100% disabled Vet read this how it happen again and again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
about the bonus army and how many time and as such I hate the group that opposed taxing the rich. Instead they want to go after the ones who gave the most and recived BOHICA repeadley. I think maybe the people protesting at Wall Street are right on the money. Each year I am poorer because of the lieing CPI index. I am eating pork and bean, I am ready to march again!
I agree with all the comments. But WHY do we not use our most precious Power–to VOTE the Rascals out and change the unfair Laws?? (Instead of drinking Beer and eating Chips when the Election rolls arround?????? Our own fault!!! If you want change use your VOTE!!!!!!
return to the 90% tax bracket for the rich. Let the rich that we protected pay for our benefits.
Well, this sounds like the same dance and song routine but the "Veterans" and the military men and women that are and have made sacrifices for this country always have to take in the shorts. How are we suppose to be able to pay for this new medical coverage, when most the jobs out there are low wage and not full time. I am a 20 year veteran I have tri-care standard this medical cover is a joke, I have no idea how we are to get better medical coverage.
Really surprised and disappointed wtih the personal attacks and pure vindictiveness I see in many of these postings. Sen McCain is a veteran … served his Country with honor and dignity. Show him respect for that.
Now, you may disagree with his assessment and his concurrence with others that the Country can longer afford the largess is gives to it military retirees. That's fine. But to vilify, name call and personally denigrate the man because of his beliefs, is below us … and should be a source of shame to all of us who call ourselves veterans. Raise the standard folks…we're better than that.
Sen McCain is not a hero and my book and never will.I just do not understand how a former Naval aviator/POW/veteran can come up with this stuff. …
McCain just like the commander in Chief is noting more then a traitor who sold his soul to the greedy corporations. Been that the "Hanoi Hilton" is close they should sent his sorry butt to Guantanamo for the rest of his days.
And as Viet Nam Veteran I don't feel a shame to call this traitor for what he is.Lets educate are self before we honor a phony.
Sen McCain is not a hero and my book and never will.I just do not understand how a former Naval aviator/POW/veteran can come up with this stuff. …
McCain just like the commander in Chief is noting more then a traitor who sold his soul to the greedy corporations. Been that the "Hanoi Hilton" is close they should sent his sorry butt to Guantanamo for the rest of his days.
And as Viet Nam Veteran I don't feel a shame to call this traitor for what he is.Lets educate are self,s before we honor a phony.
Welcome to the real world. If you only knew what my healthcare cost my entire family…
It has to start somewhere to get the 14 trillion dollars down…
Too many retirees don't have a clue as to what their civilian counterparts pay for healthcare. Our annual fee for Tricare Prime is less than most families monthly cost for insurance. Now, I think the Country needs to honor its pledge to provide our military retirees with healthcare for life, but retirees need to realize that the cost of doing so has skyrocketed and that we must pay more in order to keep what we have. A modest increase in premiums will still have us paying far less than our civilian neighbors … and receiving cadillac service.
The idoits in DC paying for anything? You must be joking…they don't have a clue as to what they're doing and I am sick to death of hearing, "the American people blah blah." Did someone tell them that or are they just assuming so they can get re-elected? I believe if you work for the government, they everyone should get the same benefits package. Oh by the way, please include a limo for life and a bodyguard in mine. US Army retiree
Is the Hanoi Hilton still open? Reserve the TRAITOR SUITE for his sorry butt!!
MAYBE Sen McCain should get in contact with Capt McCain USN RET. WTFO is all this coming from didn't we already make some sacrifice to serve our country? What was that old saying from the Brit Navy about God and Jack tar, Both cried for and praised when needed but so soon forgotten when the ctisis is over. Look at our own history and as soon as the need is viewed as over the American GI gets the boot till the politicians screw up again and the need is generated.
whoa guys-don't you see that he can save 10 billion a year with the cuts and make it sound great by saving 110 billion over 10 years! WOW.! Wonder what they will do with ALL that money? That's chump cash for the feds.
I'm ashamed of McCain, a military retiree himself. Obviously, along with his rich wife, he doesn't need to pinch pennies. McCain is mentally challenged by not understanding that Tricare for Life is only secondary insurance which ,incidentally requires Part B Medicare payment to be eligible for Tricare for Life. Now McCain supports a $200 per year enrollment fee for Tricare for Life which effectively negates the deductible paid by TFL (currently $145 for Medicare). So if you have medical care covered by TFL but not Medicare, you have to pay the TFL deductible (currently $150). Part B is forcast to be somewhere around $105 for 2012. Now taking into consideration that Medicare fiscal year starts 1 Jan and TFL starts 1 Oct , you might pay two Tricare deductibles (plus co-insurance) for non covered Medicare but covered by TFL. That's $105 + $200 + $250 + $250 + plus God knows what in co-insurance payments. I don't think McCain thought any of this thru. So much for our free medical benefits.
Willie in Puyallup
when will we see that we are our,our own grates enemy by voting these people into power. they make us all the prameses and then reneg.the hole country is going into the craper and our and our voted reps are loving us all the way to the bank.
I know of no career where a person serves facing the prospect of death or disability for 20 years or more.Yes the benifits are nice, but the threat was real. Whether we served in a war or not, the possibility of war was there, and the reality of not returning home well, or not at all was real too. John McCain and congress should realize the special circumstances that we served under and provide the very best benifits possible. In contrast, why are Congress' benefits so well protected when by the nature of their service they are not under the threat of death or harm ?
As A member of the armed forces I think it's a shame for people like senator John MCcain to forget where he came from. Many great men fought and died for this great nation, which this nation should be truly debted to the men and women that serve every day of their lives. I think every congressman, should be obligated to serve in the armed forces, and then they would definitely understand how veterans feel about these proposed cuts.
My husband spent 20+ years in the military. Now congress wants to cut retiree medical benefits. I say that their benefits should be cut right after the access to medical benefits are cutfor congress and after ensuring that all of Congress pays for their benefits. There should also be no retirement benefits or medical benefits made available to congress until/or unless they have served 20 or more years in congress.
guys you all got some positive and negative remarks ,but only us dumb asses will read it among our selves and nothing will get done, now remember the million men march on to D>C How effective will it be if we did million VET march on to D.C.. All the wouinded vets the homeless. the unemployed etc. etc… I know we can get more done by mast demo.
There are already Vets, young and old, participating in the Occupy protests. There are people from the Tea Party, people from every walk of life. It's not a Left thing at all and it's not a game. That's just the media putting that out. And it's not just young people, either.
what is it that McCain Gates and others in government dont understant about the three songs written that saids fredom isnt free.
There are a lot of very talented leaders who are retired military. Men and woman with all the talent and skills needed to run anything from a unit to a state to a country. If you're one of those people, chances are you're aware of it. Do your country this one more service. Run for office and win. Use the intelligence you possess and let your decisions be guided by the honor you subscribe to. We're past the point where we can afford to have the two major parties continue to control our country. They have both betrayed us and will continue to betray us. Save America from the worst threat it faces, control by democrats and republicans.
That's just peachy! McCain has been the beneficiary of the government ALL HIS LIFE and now he wants to cut ours?? His grandfather and father were both in the Navy…so he benefitted as a dependent from birth. Then HE joins the Navy. He is medically retired so he gets a pension and disability. He is a US Senator getting paid the government and will get full benefits and retirement from that. The people who are making these decisions are not the ones affected by them.
Hi Capt. Camera. McCain would be drawing full normal SS retirement unless he has deferred it to a later date to increase his benefit. If he is currently drawing SS, he is what is known as a triple dipper. That is three Government retirements. (1. Full VA disability, 2. Full Military Pension (concurrent reciept), and 3. Social Security retirement). When he finishes his Congressional career he will be eligible for a Civil Service retirement. I am not sure if you can recieve four Federal Government retirements. I always thought that three was the maximum Federal Government retirements you could receive.
Willie in Puyallup
Re-up? F%&k you congress.
WE SEND BILLIONS OVERSEAS TO MANY COUNTRIES THAT DO NOTHING FOR US. A LOT OF IT IS USED TO KEEP FAT CATS IN POWER. CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME AND TO THE FOLKS THAT PROTECT IT.
I see that some people seem to see Sen- McCain in a light that seems to signify that his term in Hanoi should exempt him from criticism. My take on McCain is that he is a flat liner who is all worn out,he is the epitome of the word moderate.
Senator McCain may be a hero to some, but to others he is just another politician playing the game of how to screw the Veteran. I had personal experience with this man and unless you can do him a favor you do not exist.
Its all about the money, not the veteran.
BeforeECoInter text right hereBefore they cut ours the Senate and Congress need to cut their health care for life, with the entourage of Secret Service attached to them for the rest of their lives and we, as citizens should be the ones to adjust their retirement compensation, as well as their pay while serving. They are not working that especially hard, to earn the pay and bennefits they are receiving.
Not to rain on anybodies parade, but as a Navy wife and Omsbudsman, we always knew medical, commissary, exchange…etc… were benefits not entitlements. They're great to have but, not guaranteed. The article is somewhat confusing though, Tricare Prime is currently 458 dollars a year per family, so is the 200.00 meant as an increase? or are they talking about Tricare basic which is currently free? Either way needs editing or clarification.
I can't believe McCain is in his right mind. He has to be losing it. No real military person in his right mind would support any of the presidents proposals to cut military and retires benifits, we all have sacrificed enough for the citizens of this country! It's time for the politicians and government workers to sarifice including cutting their wages and benifits first! Thjis includes the President and his staff!
Congress and Senate CUT their benefits.
He is an idiot! He looses any and all support I may or may not have given him. Don't know what else to say–he's an idiot!
I once supported the democrats. I came to realize that they were taking me for a ride. I had to face the fact that the people I trusted were liars and scumbags. Why is it so damned hard for republicans to open their eyes and see that the same is true about the people they support? We will NEVER get out of the mess we're in until people like us who are its victims stop helping the scumbags who are screwing us. Wake up. Because Obama is a liar and a bum doesn't mean that Rick Perry is a good man or that Mitt Romney gives a damn about you. It takes an almost childlike gullibility to keep sticking up for people who are so obviously out to dump on your life.
I have been reading every one’s blogs for the last hour and this is what I’ve come up with . I do not care if your republican democrat independent socialist or tea party supporter. we have all got to stop fighting with ourselves . the greatest trick the devil ever did is convincing people he did not exist and that is what we have going on here . The devil in this case is the government. It is not their fault it is ours . government, corporations, and banks did not get us into this mess . we the lonely saps at the bottom did . And that is what our politicians want us to believe and argue about . meanwhile while we argue with each other over these issues they are padding their pockets with our hard earned money . they do not care about us people they only care about their next 4 years next 2 years or whatever they have coming to them . we all want veterans to be take care of right? and we all want what is fair right? yet we are arguing with each other about who should pay more in taxes . or who should be getting tax breaks and who shouldn’t be. I am personally sick of that ! if you truly believe that your politicians are ok for you ask yourself this 1 question . when was the last time your politician called you to ask you your opinion of any topic they vote on down . now I know there are some of you who will say that is impossible to do yet they find a way to call you at all hours of the day ask you for your support during elections time. So don’t tell me it is impossible. I am sorry for any miss spelled words or the lack of punctuation or capitalization .
More crap from the one's that send us off too do what they don't have the ball's to do . They should get the same thing that we get then what it's like . WE NEED TOO CLEAN HOUSE AND GET ALL OF THE OLD ASS'S OUT .
THE NEX TIME AROUND PUT OUR MEN AND WOMEN VETERANS IN OFFICE. WE HAVE PLENTY OF THEM LEAVING MILITARY SERVICE.
All this whining about what the government allegedly promised you. Did you get that in writing? How many of you are divorced? Unless you got a bona fide pre-nup, that promise didn’t mean squat either. And that sweetheart supposedly loved you. You were never the government’s sweetheart.
Headlines should have read
"US Citizens OK With Congressional Paycuts"
Congressional personnel pay to be reduced 20%. All congressional personnel going on fact finding trips will use military flights (HOPs). They will receive 50% of their pay after 20 years and 2 1/2 percent for every year after 20 years.
I gurantee you we will save a great deal of money because at the rate they are going they won't be in office but one term.
I should have known that our politicians were lying to me. Their lips were moving. When I joined I was told that if I gave 20 years I would get medical and dental for myself and family. We lost the dental a few years after I joined. The law let my cheating wife take half of my retirement. Now I am losing the medical too. What's next? I gave my country 25 years of the best years of my life and now I am old and trying to get a job in a recession. I will be on the street soon, I still love my country but what have we done? Why are these idiots in office? Not to serve this country they are there for their own benefit.
I say enough is enough when will we be able to take this country back from the Beauricrates that are out with Big buisness to destroy our country and reap from were they did not sow. John McCain is a traitor to the military personnel that he so claimed to serve with. When are we going to make the politions be accounted to the ones they are elected to work for yes work for If you look at it this way an employeer hires a employee and if that employee does not meet up to the standards of the employer then he or she is counciled and if they still dont improved they are fired amen. Every polition is hired by the people and by what I see and read they not one has meant the expectation of the employeer (the people) They are hired by the People and for the People they all have forgotten who they work for its time we fire and re hire congress leave the military retired personnel alone if it wasnt for them you wouldnt have a job and you wouldnt have your pay think about that it all started with Bill Clinton and now its escalating
Semper Fi do or die
USMC Ret
McCain and Jane Fonda should get together because they both sold us out
A todos los vetreranos Hispamos esto no puede ser con el tiempo nos quedaremos sin beneficios Pleases why the President stop ? the fre fly to travel in F1 aroun the world and live in fre house fre gasolinefre food and pencion for life and Body guard and etc.etc Let in 2012 Stop is Check and The people Who is again in Cut the Benefits For The Veterans I am a Verant from Vietnam 37 year to get my disabilitie com. and now This people who live like King and Queen Whant to stolent The benefits whit sacrices whit Have
Everybody who voted in 2008 should pay close attention to this. During the campaign republicans kept saying that Obama was a liar and wouldn't deliver what he promised. At the same time democrats were saying that McCain was not to be trusted and had poor judgement in choosing a running mate. Both sides were made as hell at the other for saying these things. Looks like both sides owe each other an apology. Obama turned out to be a backstabbing bum and so did McCain. Too bad we had to get stuck with either one of them. We ought to be able to do better.
And to add salt to the wound he is demanding greater medical assistance for wounded Libyans!!
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAct…
My earlier comment which had an example of $105 + $200 + $250 + $250 ——— should have read $105 + $200 + $150 + $150 plus whatever co-insurance.
Willie in Puyallup
I say we organize and picket every recruiting office and every military base and do like there doing on wall street every vet, every retiree join together and put a stop to this maddness that the politions have created no military how long will they have a job in Washington infact how long will Washington even be Washington Im not one to rock the boat but I have been watching our bennifits be taken away one by one and it really started with Bill Clinton when he said that there was nothing in writing about medical bennifits for life everyone who ever put on that uniform knows that that is what was told us and from every General down to the last private understood that why does some draft jogger coming into to office and turn things around we need to band together its time to stand up and take back what rightfully belongs to us retirees
McCain, you were my hero. You didn't sell out in Hanoi, but here you are, giving away something that kept me hanging on, both as an active duty airman, and Air Guardsman. Cold War, Gulf War, Northern Watch, Southern Watch, Enduring Freedom, War on Terror. Turkey, Kuwait, Afghanistan. Volunteered for every one. Now I serve in the latest battle; War on retirees. When I volunteered after 911, I took a cut in pay to be activated; to serve my country. Thought I might, some day, be compensated. Knowing in my heart and soul that I was doing something to avenge those who were slaughtered on that fateful day, I sacrificed my family. My son dropped out of school. My daughter attempted suicide. My wife struggled with parents with cancer, all in a few short months. With all that, I still would have volunteered all over again. I know the economy is not in great shape, but let's find a way to not punish those who gave a hell of a lot more than me.
Maybe it's time to move to Iran. At least I would know that I'm not appreciated.
I believe Senator McCain is suffering some of the ills of his captivity and may not remember reality while he was in the military. As a Senator, I respect him for his time in the Vietnam prison. The men and women in the military today serve beyond call of duty, in my opinion. They are always on the move, whether on deployment or in training preparing for deployment. I believe it is a harder time for a lot of these military members and especially their families. They get the better salary than the $86 a month prior to taxes in 1970 timeframe but they also sacrifice for their country as volunteers. Many in the 1960 – 1973 were drafted and not volunteers, directly. Today, it is a job for a lot of those in the military. Even though it is a job, it is not the same type of job, no matter what the specialty is, as a civil servant or even a straight civilian doing a similar job. Military members are the force that keeps the rest of us free. They move on a second's notice to places that they may or may not be prepared to go.
The Senator may have some military experience but he and his wife need to wear the boots and carry the weapons of these troops and spend many months on end in the kitchen and car taking care of everything on her own, hoping the budget gets approved to pay the bills. I believe in December 2007, when Mitt Romney said the economy was going to be the main issue at election time and Senator McCain blew him off with his rhetoric, that was the beginning of his slide down the logic category. These cuts are not logical and not beneficial for the military recruitment or longevity of those who sacrifice their all.
what all veterans nedd to do is start a military of our own. and declare war on washington and all the millionaires in congress. for mccain he is a discrace to the military. no respect for that traitor
disable nam vet.
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I hope that the veterans and retirees from his state see what he is saying and that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) medical benefits should be cut and he pay out his pocket after his retirement be cut to save money so he can spend on things that are wasted in the country's budget. Take away all that he gets (benefits) from this country and see if he can maintain his life style the way he expects some Americans to live. He is living off the people of America, so why is he not supporting the Americans that gave their sweat and time away from this country to preserve the freedom for the few that chose follow other ways to help our country. Within 10 years this country will save more then what he wants to take from those that given so much. Keep in mind that those old retires have less than those young retires. Mr. McCain must not know the pay charts or how the retirees get paid for their retirement to be asking or saying to cut the old retirees benefits. They don't get much, compared to what he gets and his pay check. If he wants for us to sacrifice he should lead by example.
Mr. McCain, lest we forget, the old “bait and switch” gave used car salesmen a very unsavory reputation! Although times have changed, they haven’t changed enough to make those getting shafted to lie down and be quiet!
Estoy muy agradecito a todos lo que se preocuparon por Mi LES Amos Que Dios Me losBendigas a Todos
Starting today : we have to stop and listen, before we make a decision. We have to be aware,of those who tell us what we want to hear and then they do the opposite. We have to decide who our friends are, but also we can't change our priorities every hour, when in the morning we decide that Vet benefits, Social Security, Tri-care or Medicare are our most important issues and then change to something else later on we are doing just what the politicians/lobbiest want, they are leading you down the path they want you on, keeping us confused and fighting helps our opponents not US…..
Who has voted to help us out the most. To the day I die I will believe that we were put in this position on purpose, nothing was done, so drastic measures have to be taken. That way they can say "Don' t Blame Me " .
1 Ask yourselves the question who has decried Social Security since it's beginning
2 All these years, who has been a advocate against any form of Medicare or fighting Vet benefits, who either under-funded or blocked larger Vet budgets, who eliminated COMBAT Vets that are Class 8 and now on the table is elimination of Class 6 & 7 COMBAT VETS
3 Who made drastic changes in the G.I. Vet bill to reduce cost
4 Who support base closings only if not in their district
5 Who get the most $ $ $ from our benevolent military contractors
Just because we don't like the guy 5 States away don't paint your guy with the same brush. Both political parties have elected officials that at times are our friends, our job is to make them and others our friends all the times and you can't do that with fire in your belly and blinders on.
We trusted our Officers and Sarges telling us what to do, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna put that same trust in talking heads or media specialist who have their agenda as their guiding principles, and not Vets, Seniors and our kids
I live by the principles taught to me by my FAMILY
A. God
B. Country
C. Family
And that helps me thru my thought process, it keeps me honest and fair and stops me from making irrational decisions. Yes at times I've made mistakes but I learn and keep believing this is the BEST COUNTRY in the World
Thanks to GOD and our VETS
We can't always blame others all the time for our problems
We get pissed when others don't take responsibility for their actions but do we put that same ethical responsibilities on OURSELVES.
I do not approve of the cuts in the military retiree benefits. They have to be in the military for 20 years or more or be disabled in the military in order to get those benefits. This is how we treat the defenders of our country who put themselves on the line for us.
It's NOT going to happen….Unless we chose to allow this to happen.
There are a great number of retirees. The impact we all can have is underestimated, None of us ever quit when things were tough, Why would we allow a bunch of lawyers in office as congressmen and senators mis-represent us now.
THROW THE BUMS OUT!!!!!!!!
No wonder McCain is OK with this. He has a Navy Capt pension, a Senate pension and benefits and his wife is a millionaire. I'd be OK with it myself. Let the grunts pay, we got ours.
WaltH USAF ret
Remember this. Senator McCain says military benefits have to be cut. He also wants to cut Social Security which is money held out of every paycheck we ever earned. He also says that the Bush Tax Cuts that benefit the richest 1% of Americans have to be extended. He also supports paying billions of dollars in subsidies to Big Oil. You can't claim to be too broke to pay the workers pensions and at the same time insist on big tax breaks for your rich buddies.
You would think a veteran would support his brother in arms. Something sounds fishy to me and I wouldn't be surprised if there was some type of trade off in exchange for his vote.
I have been writing our elected representatives for years and all I get back is a form letter response that never address what I wrote about. They don't read anything unless it comes with a hefty campaign donation.
I just wrote my representative last night. just like I have many times before . just like you said you always get a generic response in return . what last night was enough for me . I told my representative if I receive 1 more generic response I will send that onto the newspaper . They work for us the majority yet listen to the minority . How can any of are representatives vote on anything so important yet not find out what the people want. They can find the time to call during election season but not when some many people will be affected .
What is there for you to gain Senator Mccain?? If your one of us lowly retired military personnel, what have you to say??????
McCain, you just lost my vote. All others reading this… do as I just did. Copy and paste the statement below on Senator McCain's "Contact Form" at
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAct…
YOU JUST LOST MY VOTE!!! For your traitorous actions and your willingness to abandon the retirees of the United States Military with your support of President Obama’s proposal to start charging military retirees for TRICARE.
As a retired service member and Arizona voter John McCain has just lost my reelection vote and the votes of the members of my household. Best I can say of this man now is that he has taken the mantle of Benidict Arnold. I hope I never hear him say "Thank you for your service" again. Adios to you HANOI JOHN!
I NEVER trust Mc Cain! He was shady in the 1980's! They call for us when they want the military members to invade another country and fight and kill in the name of FREEDOM! But when they have us on the chess board to cut benefits and deny veterans on the disability payments, and when we do get what deserve we're dead or close too it! I know a couple of vets that fought for these benefits for retirement and they arrogance, greed,vanity hurt not only the military family but the country as well! What young person will join the military after they chopped it up!
Retired military 20+ yrs. Retired Fed. worker 20 yrs. Just a poor boy from Altoona Pa. who served because father died and sick mother and a young brother and send home my PFC pay to help mom. Marine 1 hitch 1955, USAF 9 yrs E4 and worked hard for the BA degree and not to mention numerious deployments during military actions i.e. Vietnam, panama, lebanon, Desert Storm. Then 11 yrs Captain /CWO3 US Army Special Forces. Many promises thru these yrs from the big wigs in DC. Now that Im retired, they cut my social security pay because I was dedicated enough to serve and work for my SSI. Have Medicare and Tricare and was told "You worked hard for your medical and retirement" They will never be cut from what I worked hard for..YEA RITE.. Now at 73yrs old they want it all back….Because of military injuries I can never walk again without a support. Need the medicare/Tricare to help my wife and I survive. My income compared to those in DC,,doesnt even come close to the millions they make. Why pick on us the promised aged and lame. Where is the honor and the SpreDecore/DE Oppresso Liber. Like one Ol Soldier once said.."Old soldiers never die they just fade away" without any thought of their and their families suffering protecting our country.We should hold dear to us all the old soldiers, living and dead, and not take away our rights now that we are feeble and lame. One thing they cant take away is our unshakable Love of our God and Country…………..AMEN TO ALL WHO SERVED AND DIED (hank)
John McCain has spoken out of both sides of his face on many an occasion in his political life time. Yes, he spent 6 years in the Hanoi Hiton, after he was shot down during the very beginning of his Naval Air career in Viet Nam. With his dad being a high ranking Naval Officer at the time when John McCain was shot down, is the only reason I see, that John was not put to death alomost immediately. Having said all that. John McCain needs to fish or cut bait, with regard to whether he is a Loyal Veteran, or just a Liberalized member of the Republican party. John McCain desires to regain total popularity with all the Liberal minded guys and gals on the hill in Washington. He might as well drop out of the Republican party all together, and join the Democratic party. Either way folks, he has Lost my vote for ever! The political minded types within America, now there is a Communistic, Socialistic group if I ever saw one.
Sincerely, Ironhand U.S. Marine Corps, Retired "SEMPER FIDELIS"
Wow! I was joking to my soon to be retired husband with 20 yrs of service that we might qualify for welfare after he separates. Unbelievably this could be true for some folks as everything is CUT,CUT,CUT and we have to PAY,PAY,PAY. Well, my husband didn't die in Iraq, so maybe if he catches a bad disease, he could just be kicked out to pasture to die there. I know about McCain's service record. How could he say this? Serving in Congress seems to cause diseased minds. Good thing he'll have his own doctor paid for by the US taxpayers to remove the tumor that seems to have eaten into his entire brain. Then again, he may already be a cyborg using Artificial Intelligence, with the emphasis on "Artificial". AI seems like an oxymoron anyway, with emphasis on the "moron".
The comment I have just written and submitted, must be approved by this site's admin section, before my comment shall actually be published. How dandy is that. Censorship of everything which speaks to the truth of the matter, when it comes to our country's "So Called Leadership", from the Presidency, right down to the members of the House and Senate. These political types within our country, have done a fine job of screwing up America as a whole. It is high time that the status quo elected officials, Not be Re-Elected this coming November, in favor for some new freshman Combat Veterans, who are running for office. Out with the Old, and in with the new I say. Sincerely, Ironhand U.S. Marine Corps, Retired "SEMPER FIDELIS" "IN GOD WE TRUST ALWAYS"
Here we go again. Just wait until the shooting stops and then see how much our elected officials love the military. If you can't pay the bills don't start the shooting. Just once I would love to see out elected officials do by the military what's right. Not only McCain is wrong but the rest of congress that just sets by and let it happen is just as guilty. Remember the way Rome went?
I can hear the voice of the old poet once again ringing in my ears:
God and the soldier we adore,
In times of trouble and not before,
When the danger past and all things righted,
God is forgotten and the old soldier slighted.
He (mccain) is nothing more than a Benedict Arnold! He is a traitor to his country and all the services. Let him live on our retirement and TRICARE with cuts! Maybe he was a traitor all along. We just didn't know it! God help those retired soldiers who are in poor shape due to the economy. mccain just put you in the 99%, and many more in the below middle class status while he lives a comfortable life. TRAITOR!!
The Elected Representatives did something like this back in 1933 when they passed the Economy Act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_Act
The veterans responded and raised up a “Bonus Army” led by a lowly Army Sergeant, that sent congress members scrambling out of Washington DC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
Different times, the Veterans wanted payments for their promise for payment vouchers, but read the Economy Act. Not much different than taking away promised retirement and medical benefits that hardly remunerate veterans of the past and present for the numerous sacrifices we servicemen make today in life serving the nation to support this democracy. Clinton said the promise of to retirees about lifetime health care and retainer pay was not in writing…that’s when this began, OBUMA is finishing the agenda that was started…and we are standing by quietly like good little warriors allowing this to occur???? This is illegal…Reprehensible and Bullsh*t
What are we Retirees and Active duty members going to do? We never accept defeat and will not leave our fallen comrades behind that serve in the next war.. Nor can we forget those that served in the past that made it possible for us to serve today to have the benefits we are outraged to lose or be lessened by bean counters.
We swore an oath and in part we swore/affirmed that we would defend the nation against all enemies both Foreign and Domestic.
Rise Up, VOTE and THROW THE BUMS OUT.. Especially Turncoat John McCain
I think the first thing that needs to happen is for all retirees and active duty, as well as their family members, to speak with their votes! Vote out the people that are stepping on our meager benefits in favor of giving away benefits, money, and even citizenship to illegal immigrants. That alone would pay for our projected losses as well as fund a huge reduction in the federal debt. Then if we bring out military back from Iraq and Afghanistan, the money saved from being wasted on protecting people that don't want us, would further aid our economic problems. But, first, vote out the offensive people, no matter their political affiliations.
McCain never should have received any medals for heroics, since all the piece of s–t did was sit in jail in Hanoi. He needs to be removed, without any pay, retirement, etc. from office. And so should the rest of the pieces of s–t that say they are serving in political office. IT IS TIME FOR A TEA PARTY!
How will historians view us? BROKE!
Stop crying you get all free if you served you also served to protect your family too too many phonies drawing disability from supposed service connected injuries which is not the case in alot of claims
Senator McCain was knocked out of contention for four star flag rank by spending years in the Hanoi Hilton. He grew up as a prince of the Navy being the son of a four star and grandson of a fourstar living like royalty on Navy bases. He is so out of touch with the majority of enlisted, Non-commissioned, company grade and field grade officers that he has no feelings for them. I would pity the man were it not for the disasterous effects of his ill considered words. He is vengful and quite lacking in empathy. Some years ago he had it really in for the Window Rock Indian Tribe blocking legislation granting forgiveness for a late grant funds submission. His actions were, in my opinion, petty and vindictive to the extreme. In essence he is much too small a man to wield the great power he has as a senator. He either doesn't realize how badly he is hurting his former comrads in arms or he just doesn't care. It is time for him to go.
I have not heard any proposal or any volunteer from the US Senate and US congressman to lessen their fat salaries and pension. In doing so, McCain can be called as the most hipocrit of them all, proposing cut in vets medical benefits and their family. He have served the country but, hey you, the country has pay you more than any smart accountant can count. You have been overpaid many, many years ago. Why not chop your salaries and perks and pension down, it will bemore than what you can save cutting chopping vets medical. Think about it Mc Cain. I am a surviving spouse of a veteran and if I have to pay more in medical bills, oh well, i have lose my husband and my house, my four dogs and a cat, what else i care about, i am just a number to you. Can you not think of anything better while you are still alive? Oh well, you will not die, you have an excellent healtcare, I forgot..
Now I know what that stabbing pain between my shoulderblades is.
I believe McCain and his rich pals would screw the retired military at any chance given them, as long as their super rich supporters did not have to pay.
This is the very reason I did not allow my family members to join the military.
There should be drug tests before anyone gets any kind of Government Aid or Food Stamps, and they should all take a cut in all Government elected positions or their aids before they touch any of the Veterans….if they get away with this the next step will be to take SS away from disabled vets!
I agree with the post that stated "McCain is no different than Jane Fonda!!! May they both burn in hell."
What I don't understand is why is it blamed on the President. If you check the President of the USA doesn't make laws this is done by the House & Sen ate. I served 23 years and have a grandson with 12 years in the USMC with a family. I think McCain was brainwashed in Nam look at his VP running mate in 08
I agree it is time to consider the good lawmakers compensation. What we have here is the fox guarding the hen house. No other job in the world allows the employees to vote to set their own pay and benefits. I think that they should be given a 401 like the rest of us maybe we can give them a .04% match after taxes on a per year basis. And yes there should be term limits some of those old farts like McCain are too old and feeble to be making
decisions that affect so many people.
When I think about McCain I remember the movie The Manchurian Candidate. I wonder if he McCain was a prisoner of war
two long, that it affected his thinking, if you look back it sure looks to me
as if he threw the election for president.
MILITARY RETIRED PAY IS WHAT MY WIFE LIVE ON .DID McCAIN DO OVER 20 YEARS IN THE MILITARY ? HE WOULD NOT SURVIVE . I AM A VIETNAM VETERAN AND AM 100 % DISABLED .IF I LOST MY MILITARY PAY , MY WIFE AND I WOULD NOT SURVIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't like McCain, but you should not comment if you don't know what you are talking about. He did serve and was in a Hanoi prison camp during Vietnam war. Give credit where it is due.
This is one of the main reasons I did not vote for this douche bag. He has no appreciation for the men and women of our military. Leaders should lead by example right? Then our leaders "politicians" need to take a cut first. Lets talk about their benefits package on retirement and also all the benefits there siblings inherit and the savings that would occur if they took a cut. Such a douche move McCain.
welcome to the land of opportunity for everyone, but those that have giving 20+ years to keep this great nation safe. our politicans will only do what's best for themselfs. all vets and this great nation we built are only secondary to their cause. as a vietnam and desert storm vet it is a rotten shame to throw us under that on comming train. look at what you have. start your cuts there.
`h`e needs to wake up and see the light at the end of the tunnel
cut congress pay and senate to half of what they make.that would save a bunch of money.
All the politicans need to take the cuts or reductions and not the military or veterans. At the most, they work a four day workweek and get over $175,000 and all the benefits that the military don't get. McCain screwed up and needs to go now.
Ron Paul will not cut our military benefits but he will get us out of these endless wars.
When I called Sen. Bill Nelson to voice my opposition ,his staff told me that we should not complain because it was such a small amount of cuts they were proposing. This attitude makes me send my campaign donations elsewhere!
Now I realize why that I always felt that there was something about McCain that kept me from supporting his runs for president. He is a damn traitor to his comrades. Good riddance, if he actually retires.
Delta forces and Special Forces, need to get together toplan a mission to erase McCain from this planet.
Like Eisenhower, who divorced the retiree from the active service, McCain is following in these same footsteps. We continue to degrade and hollow out the military both active and retired. Our government never learns that a strong military is the source of our freedom – then again perhaps some in charge want the country degraded to 3rd world status – or so it seems with some of the policies being incepted!
HEY MCCAIN! AS CLOSE AS YOU ARE TO BEING ABLE TO SAVE AMERICA A REAL TON ON MONEY, WHY DON'T YOU ATTACK THAT?
WHAT DO I MEAN? WELL JUST LOOK OUT YOUR OWN FRONT AND BACK DOORS TO SEE ALL THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT YOU ARE TURNING A BLIND EYE ON. WHY DON'T YOU START ENFORCEING THE LAWS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE AND DEPORT THESE ILLEGALS.. THAT ALONE WOULD COST A LOT LESS THAN WHAT WE ARE PAYING RIGHT NOW TO SUPPORT THEM.
I, TOO, AM A DAV AND SURELY LOSING MY RESPECT FOR YOU.
YOU ARE ACTING LIKE HANOI JANE RIGHT NOW.
What is it with these senile politicians? Go fight my dirty little war – and when you come home, Screw You!! (U.S.Army retired)
I do hope that Military.com will send all of the great comments to Sen. McCain. Shame on him!!!!!!!
What is it that happens to veterans once they get out of service? We've been betrayed by our own kind, and it hurts. John Glenn is another example. He went totally liberal. My, how quickly some people forget where they came from. McCain should be ashamed, but I'm sure he's isn't, and his benefits won't be cut one bit. You can count on that!!
You must all keep in mind that McCain doesn't need Tricare. He has the inflated package that all of the rest of the elected freeloaders have.
As the wife of a military retiree, I say McCain has his nerve trying to mess over all of the men and women who sacrificed at least 20 years of their time and the time of their families. That time wasn't easy for any of us. The constant uprooting—the separations–and the dangers; we stuck it out assuming that the promises that were made to us would be kept. But then—he has it made!! Why should he care—this man who was glorified for being a POW during the Vietnam War. Seems like I remember seeing footage of him laying on a cot in his Yuppie clothes, smoking a cigarette. Didn't look to me like he was suffering much while in that prison. How did he manage that??? He has no business trying to determine what the rest of us need or don't need. He's RICH!!!
I have just read all the comments regarding increased fees for Tricare and am disgusted by Sen.McCains idea of a $200 fee. As a senior widow on a
fixed income this would hurt, as everything else in the bad economy is also
going up in cost. The politians need to start living like the rest of us and only until that happens will they have some idea of how a lot of have to struggle to make ends meet each month.
Has McCain been brain-washed by the VC's? Long delayed drugs? Maybe just corrupted by the sorry-lot of politicians he has associated with for to-long!!
It's time for you to resign Mac..you are no longer one of us!
It isn't any wonder that this ishappening. McCain and his ilke are all alike. Once they are elected they forget who put them there. But we must all realize they meke the laws, but they don't have to follow them. They are the untouchables. Sad but true. I believe the time Senator McCain spent in the Hanoi Hilton finally has caught up with him. He should retire. His service to this country was commendable but his roll as a Senator has not been the greatest. Once a politician always a politician. It must be the indoctrination, brainwashing, or the water in DC that effects all the politicians when they are sowrn in, because they all seem to forget who put them there. This where term limits comes into play. Our congress today is a joke, they are all out of touch with reality.
McCain was not thinking about budget cuts when he was in the military
and when he was a POW, He need to remember where he came from
and what it took for him to get where he is today.
Semper Fi
New spelling for Democrat. McCain!!
I agree with Brenda, but i think that it should be taken one step further and vote out all of those that are coming up for reelection. We should vote for those that have had at least some time in the military. It could not hurt and it might do some good, for a change, to the country. I spent over 20 years in the military, including Vietnam in combat. It could go back to what we were promised shen we first entered the service.
OH!!! Another thought about charging $200.00 a year for Tricare. We already HAVE to pay for Medicare Part B to even participate in the Tricare!!! So–does that mean we should pay for both now??? And like Medicare—will it keep going up every year??? There are some of us out here who haven't even had a need to use any of that yet—though we have to keep paying out the nose for something we may never get to use. And then you try to find a doctor that accepts Medicare, and it's almost impossible. It's for sure that something needs to be done all right. But it needs to be done in OUR favor—-not in the politicians favor (who are already rich).
Until we all realize that the Washington politicians of both parties see themselves as above the voters who elected them, and we toss the bums out we will never get anywhere straightening out this country. If you haven't seen what your Medicare Part B premiums increase to under ObamaCare, you ought to take a look. It is a staggering amount by 2014.
Cuts in benefits are made by the 1's that put there life on the line, not by the 1's that pass all the new laws and get the best medical for life, I think they are the 1's that need the cuts first. They are the 1's that need it first and a cut in pay. No raises for them before anyone else. Taking raises and cutting benefits from people who protect our country is crazy why they sit and get richer.
What is the matter with Sen. McCain, my husband and I are retired and still have one child at home. Take away our tricare health and we won't be able to a doctor or get meds. Sen. McCain, were you ever in the military for 20 years. I don't think so or you wouldn't want to cut the health care for retirees. These families earned that right for health care after Twenty years.
while i understand the need to save some money, this isn't the way to do it. Let's look at govt waste, benefits for people who never earned any and start spending in a way that doesn't increase the debt. If they have no choice then to cut our benefits I support small adjustments but only if all other govt employees, politicians, etc make the same sacrifices.
McCain is a puppet Maverick. He flows where ever the wind blows him. Or I should say his big bag of hot air blows to suit himself. He ditched his first wife….. no stay power…….why should he care about anything else.
I just wish I had their health care plan over Tricare, and now you want to charge me more and give me less
Senator McCain – have you forgotten. You were one of us and we supported you. Now that you no longer need our support – you have withdrawn yours?
I guess I should not be surprised but I am very disappointed.
Brothers No More
Mc Cain is an asshole. He has never done anything for the military. They need to cut their benefits for a change and not the militarys. Why does this country keep taking from the people who serve and keep giving to people that don't contibute anything to this country
McCain should be replaced DA VET.
Nothing new The poltician's will cut or benefits but not theirs
Korea & Viet Nam Vet,
What the hey does McCain care what they cut from Active duty and Vet Pay compensation or Tri-Care benefits; his wife is a millionaire many times over and he does'nt have to worry about health care or any thing else, when the congress and the rest of all the beaurcats have to live by the same rules and Pay rules as everyone else does then MABY they can talk about cutting military pay or benefits!!!
Sorry!!! I just thought of another way that the military could save money without messing over the ones that have already earned what they were promised. Even when I was still a military wife—it never made sense to me that the military transferred people (the families) all over hell and half of Georgia. Stop that and you could save billions!!!. And those great big bonuses that were paid out to keep certain rates (or whatever) from leaving the military seems to be a waste also. Sorry—but I'm MAD!!!
Sure, If we all had his retirement and a wife who is supose to be worth over 125,000,000.00 yet thats right. Then we could be a turn coat like him. I know John McCain the great senator from AZ. He has done nothing but feather his own cap. Thanks you back staber.
I agree with all the comments that have been made and yes everyone is correct and we gave 20 or more years of our life to protect and serve our country. Now all they want to do is take away ALL the benefits that we where promised to have for LIFE. Maybe all of retired military and all Vets that receive BENEFITS need to march on Washington and both the house of congress and its time for Obama to go and put someone in there that will take of the Military and KEEP OUR BENEFITS AND NOT TAKE THEM AWAY………
The object of serving in Congress and the Senate is to voluntarily serve the people without extravagent compensation. In these days of being 'lean,' I strongly support cutting congressmen and senator retirement to NILL. Reduce serving terms to a minimum. NO career politicians. It should be an outrage for any politician like McCain to even suggest cutting military benefits without cutting his first. He has discredited himself and should resign immediately. He is such an embarrassment to our country. Where are the leaders of this country that support its people? They have to be precious commodities indeed..maybe Ron Paul can be counted on to do his duty as a patriot of his people.
McCain??? I guess you have enough congress blood in you that you can't see the the real blood that has been shed by our military and veterans. The very ones that served to give you the freedom that you have from day to day is not important in your life anymore. Well as I see it, you and your congressional comrades are not important to us anymore either. Good buy after this election. OUT WITH THE OLD AND IN WITH THE NEW!!!!!
I believe McCain is getting senile. It's time for him to leave.
McCain is selling the military out. why not, he's rich, it doesn't affect him. Congress needs to have to follow the same guides with regard to pay raises, health care and retirement that the rest of us do. If they did, they would not be "sooo" fast to want to make all these cuts. tHE "FAT CATS", need to have a reality check. If the proposals come to fruition, our country will need to go back to the "draft" system. Good luck with that one with the caliber of young people I see out there now. Retirement is earned by every person who spends 20 years or more in the military. 24/7 is the duty schedule – not 9 to 5. That 20 years is a lot longer than working for a civilian company any 20 years and earning their retirement.
Stand up, Contact your congressmen, Let them know they can be elected out of their jobs which, thay are not doing very well for the public as a whole. stop this president's unendless ability to put the US deeper in debt.
Where are the spokespersons from the American Legion, VFW, Disabled Veterans of America, Wounded Warriors, The Society of the Purple Heart, etc.? Not until the hue and cry is heard from those from whom we have taken a full measure of service will the sycophants in congress sit up and take notice. Churchill stated that in a democracy you get the government you deserve, so we are to blame for allowing our representatives to kidnap our government. We put these charlatans in office, now it is time to revoke their "licenses" and place them on the roles of the unemployed.
And just think what else would have happened if McCain had been elected president. He said the economy was in fine shape and now he back stabs us veterans. I knew all along he was a looser. He is destroying our country with this action. The CMH should be taken away from him, what he is doing is cowardice.
It is quite simple – stop supportiing illegal immigrants.(medical, money,housing and schools) Set a limit on how long a legal immigrant can receive government assistance. Return to the original policy of a sponser(churches etc.) be responsible for them before allowed to immigrate to the United States. Why put the burden on our serviceman and women.
I want to see them go and get a regular job and tell me that this is fair. When they need have a second job to have health benefits even after serving our country. Without the military there would be no country.
We earned it ,leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!!!11
this relic should resign,period
They get to change the game after it is over? We upheld our end of the bargain, we gave them our children’s first steps, birthdays, Christmas with families, even the funerals of family members, now they change the deal? I'm calling BS. I considered it an investment in my country and my family’s future, now they start stripping away the paltry retirement benefits we do have. I think America would be shocked to see what we really get for 20 years of dedication and sacrifice. Meanwhile, no one threatens the benefits of those that sit on their asses and do nothing? Bad form America, bad form…
That just goes to show you can never trust a politician. Thanks john just wondering who is pulling your strings.
Why should the veterans always be the ones to suffer,we gave it all for our country and never ask why. take away from all the politicians we served, that has never done anything except take what they want.
if they want to save money how about they stop payday for 6 months on the president and all politicains for 6 months.bet that would save billions..my husband is in the army and health care payment went up but it is so freaking hard to get in to see a doctor the same day.my dad gave the army 24 years of his life for what? so they can take it all away,charge so much for not much? stop paying mccain and the rest of them so that retirees can keep their benefits..
ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ESTABLISH THEIR OWN PAY AND RETIREMENT BENEFITS WTHOUT THE APPROVAL OF AN IMPARTIAL BODY OF THE GOVERNMENT. THAT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN A DICTATORSHIP. DOES ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND EXPECT THEM TO SAY NO TO THEIR OWN PAY AND BENEFIT INCREASES. THEY ALONE ARE THE ONES WHO GOT US INTO THIS FINANCIAL CRISIS. MOST OF THEM NEVER EXPERIENCED BEING IN HARMS WAY.
Since the republicans have taken over the house, the promised made
to us,(retired service members) the changed have been flowing
fast and furios. If they hold they house next Nov we will need to get
a job. or live on family.
Don't be so narrow minded.. it isn't just the Republicans that are hurting the military, it's a mix of all of the idiots in Congress. Remember, this all is because that idiot we have as a Democratic president submitted the idea to cut military benefits but he didn't want his benefits cut.
Are you kidding me? WE earned our benefits. And he wants to cut them so they can continue to support crack heads , losers, and corrupt businesses while they get their act together?
Based on McCain's multiple dumb decisions, as well as those of others in Congress my advice to all young people is, it you do want to serve, do a single tour then get out and jump on every short term benefit you can grab, don't trust the government to follow through on ANY of their promises, and while serving don't do anything that might place you in any danger that you do not absolutely have to face. This administration is demonstrating more clearly than any before that they have no intention of taking care of veterans, nor do they have any intention of keeping any promises they make, since dollars and political ideology, not integrity, are what drive this train.
Thanks for supporting the idiot we have as POTUS, John. Sucking up for a job? You are selling us out.
I'm in my 60s, and I was in 11th grade when I began to realize that my country does not exactly tell the truth, about most things. And I wasn't exactly the brightest kid on the block. So from your recruiter (how long did it take you to find out your recruiter had lied to you — not very long, right?) to all the hype about how all these wars, from Vietnam on, have been about 'protecting our country' and about 'freedom' — you really thought you might have been told the truth about retirement? The only people our government has cared about for more decades than I've been alive are the very rich and the very powerful. And our government cares about us only to the extent that we can keep the very rich rich and the very powerful powerful. We little worker bees.
Let the government publish the congressman and senators actual pay scale in its entirity plus all the purks and other goodies including retirement package and health care then divide it by the days they actualy work not fact finding mission that are shoping trips.
It's time for change, plain and simple. I for one am sick and tired of sticking my neck out for this country only to hear shit like this. No more! I'm dedicating myself to make a difference. We the American service members and people have put up with this corruption for too long. Its time for our voice to be heard!
I thought that McCain was pro military, boy what a liar!!!!!!
Hope the AP reads this….military retirees support cutting all free medical care at Bethesda and Walter Reed medical facilities for non service members…especially Presidential Administrations, Cabinet Members, Senators and Congressmen……Let them pay their own health insurance…also a major benefit to the budget committee….no more one term retirement pay for congress….or anyother official…..lets see how much we save there….LEAVE THE MILITARY BENEFITS ALONE……
Ret Army
As with the other comments I have read I agree that the The Senators and congress need to look at there own pay and benefit packages first. McCain dosen,t care becuse he is getting his thru his job not thru military. You ask some one to put there life on the line day in and day out for over twenty years and the slaap them in the face. juist some more political bull shit that we always see. As a Vietnam vetern it is the same thing we saw when we came home no change, except that we are older now. How about the Sec of Defence giving up something and the 1% richest let them live on 1900.00 a month.
It is interesting that Senator McCain is OK with taking money from retirees. But then, he is a retired Navy Captain (O-6) married to a beer baron heiress and a member of the Senate with sufficient time to draw full retirement from that generous system. He is eligible for full Social Security, Medicare and Tricare for life, but obviously has no need for them, I wonder how much he collects in benefits that he earned. I am a retired E-7 and need every penny to keep beans on the menu and gas in the pickup.
Did anyone else notice that nearly every time a democrat talks about saving money it is always over a period of "10 years"? Perhaps these morons need to go back to school to study the basics of government? If they did they would know that any program sold to the public, that takes ten years is merely a bunch bovine excrement, since no budget plan survives beyond the next Congress. That means any plan that any politician puts forth is no safer for full effect than the 2 years it takes for a turnover in Congress. The plan set forth in the article says savings of "$111 billion over 10 years", but anyone who has examined the actions of Congress, knows that anything that is passed today will be obsolete and void immediately following the next election.
The middle class is now the new lower class! They don't really care about us!
He can kiss my A%& on Main Street.
You would think what McCain went through that he would be able to relate to the military, but guess congress has rubbed off on him. Why we need simple folk for contgress instead of the millionaires. These people float around in money and either could care less or cannot relate to the poor.
We should get the benefits that the Senate and Congress get!
We are simply pawns, and fodder, used by politicians to gain power and support for the huge industrial war machines. Our only recourse is to reduce their benefits, restrict their terms to a maximum of 4 years and vote them out!
B.H.J. RETIRED AF.
IT'S EASY TO CUT OTHER PEOPLES BENEFITS, BUT NOT YOUR OWN.
We get into wars that we do not want to pay for with money. We send our young men off to these wars and want to renege on the payments of the cost by not giving them what they were earned. There would be no military to defend this nation if we refuse to keep them paid and their heal care. I am ashamed of this country and the men and women who run things. While they have super benefit's they dare suggest we not provide the same or better support to our fighting men and women. They have the nerve to want to cut the benefits and promise of those who in many instances give their lives or are physically or mentally named for life not to mention the pain and suffering of the wives and children of those same men and women. Simple solutation don't order and pay for steak and feed them hot dogs.
McCain has obviously lost touch with the men and women who serve our country in military service. As a 100% service connected disabled veteran the thought of losing benefits I desperately need to get by every day make me sick t o my stomach. Vote for McCain ? I think not !
Yes,
If you are so serious in saving money, then start from the Top (President) and work your way down. How about all of you giving up some (1/3) of your medical and retirement bennies first and then maybe we might think about it. If Government continues to give them selves raises when ever they want to, I don’t see us saving anymony! If you change this retirement system then look out for a big lack of participation from our young. You might as well just go out and start doing what Isreal is doing with a mandatory three year serving and include women in all areas of battle.
McCain has been bitter ever since his devastating loss to Obama and he has been punishing the Republication voters ever since, since it their fault not his. Of course, I am sure all of you know that McCain is not a Republication…he is only a liberal. He loves it when the press glorifies him so how to get on their side? Agree with Obama!
how about we start drug testing people that are on wel fare and if they dont pass then they should be cut! why are we paying so many people that can just sit at home and collect a check and never have to work! it is always the military or vets that for some reason it is allways the topic of cuts! never about cutting pay in the senate! How about cutting their pay! i am sure that would be great to make the budget go away!
Write McCain, Coburn and the others and ask them why they have deicided to become traitors to the US military. I am wring to them. The President and his wife doing ads and speeches to show how much they support the military, what a bad joke that is!
I'm fine with redefining the military retirement system as long as Congress uses the same sytem and rules. Wait! That's right! Less than 10 members of the entire U. S. Congress served. It's clear for all to see! The burecrates know better! Democracy is what has been thrown under the bus. I'm sure retired E-5s would gladly give up their benefits if they had McCain's pay and privileges.
McCain you turncoat
I get less then $1,000 a month to live on and they want to take some of it back. that well put me out in the street.no wonder we have so many homeless vets.
VIETNAM VET.
As a kid of seventeen I in listed in the Coast Guard to serve my country. I retired after serving 20+years.I am 73 years old and Tricare for life is so imporant to me more now then ever.My respect for Mccane has changed. How he can disprespect the members of the military by undercuting benifits that have been earned in lives lost and time served by our brothers and sisters is just another color of his turncoat.
McCain is a leftwing POS, his slow onset of dementia is allowing us to see his real true colors. It's always easy for the rich congress and senate members to rape our benefits while boosting their own. Two years with no COLA increase and yet the prices of everything went up. I am so tired of the government sticking it up our asses every chance they get. We need to give our congress and senate a good enema to clear their minds!
McCain should try living on widows of vetrans get and see how he would like to struggle just to get by the sorry S.O.B, he can rot in hell
McCann is a trader. Tri-Care is the only way I can afford health care. Besides I served this country for 20 years. Small price to pay for service to this country. It makes me made as hell when I hear he and others want to cut one of the few benefits we have left. Make him cut his bennies and see how he likes it. WHAT A TURNCOAT.
Save 111 billion over 10 years by cutting military retirement and tricare benefits is rediculous, even ludicrous. Our current administration has squandered 10, 20,30 times that in 3 years. The politicians have emptied the till and are now looking to literally rob military retirees of what little they have. McCain who always professed to have the retirees backs is knuckling under to Obama and his cronies in DC. Fellow retirees we must make a stand and clean out the pestulence of our current administration. We can and will do that at the polls of the next election!
John McANUS
I GUESS MCCAIN FORGOT HANOI.
I can't believe McCain would do this to his fellow service members. I've lost all respect for the now SOB. I hopre the military retirees in Arizon will remember this and will treat him accordingly.
This government is no different than any other. How about we stop meddling in other countries business and mind our own. We could save some money there easily. Everyone should be prepared for another war as always accept this time it will be with our own people. Let me just say you bite the hand that feeds you and you get taken down. The last thing this country needs right now is for the government to turn on it's military forces. I'm tired of hearing people say we live in a free country because that is just the biggest lie. Congress needs to start with their pay before they begin to dig in to ours. As far as I'm concerned congress is like that stuff you step on that the neighbors dog leaves in your yard…..continued
Screw you McCain…….thats exactly why your not president!!!!!!!
I agree congress should cut their benefits first and only be able to serve to terms. The Men and Women that serve this country should get the best of care. Most times they were not home with family but protecting this country. I say vote any one out if they cut the Military benefits. I sure the hel will vote against them.
As far as the president, he is no different than any other we have ever had and seems to be the worst we have had in a while. He is starting to make Bush look great. We (Military Soldiers) need to stick together on this and fight for our rights and especially what we signed up for. Not for the changes they want to make because they feel they can. How can they break a contract and nothing happens but if we do it comes with either getting kicked out with no benefits or prison time? The standards should be the same across the board. Another thing, fix the damn gas prices and stop putting extra money in your pockets where it don't belong.
All Congressional office holders, the Presidency, the Legal System in our country is geared towards one thing. The Old Boys Club and its protection. The common American will never be anything but fodder in this endeavor.
Not only am I a wife of a service member, but I am also the daughter, daughter-in-law, sister, and sister-in-law of service members. Being part of the military community is a great pride and joy that my family shares.
It makes me sick to my stomach to know that there are people in our government who want to cut benefits and pay of the very people that protect the government and people. Our government officials have taken a sworn oath to represent our service members, families, and all Americans and yet all they want to do is cut benefits, cut pay, and keep us separated for larger and larger amounts of time.
It is also absolutely asinine that people who don't work can get more help from the government than the very people sworn to protect it.
Our government is headed in the wrong direction. If we are not careful of the people who are elected we may very well soon find ourselves in another depression and find our men in another draft situation (because people are not going to want to join voluntarily).
the next draft will be ALL Males and all FEMALES now that women r fighting and getting CIB or CARs depending on service! it will come down to a draft again as no one will want to serve w the ideas floating around about retirement tied to the wall street how much has been loss by many even since that idea has been floating around!!
I agree with every comment made. McCain should have our back as the voice of the veteran. We served our time. When I enlisted I was told, if you stay for 20 years, you'll be taken care of for life. Now Congress wants to take that away. It's time for our voices to be heard this election season. Vote your congressman out of office and elect new congressman's who are willing to support the military veterans who have served and died for our country. There are plenty of other ways to cut cost and veteran benefits are not the answer. Try cutting the salaries of the Democrats, Republicans and Senators. Take away medical and retirement after the first term, reduce the number of secret servicemen they are allowed. LET OUT VOICES BE HEARD IN THE ELECTION, SEND A MESSAGE TO CONGRESS, GO HOME.
Our benefits started on their downward plunge when Johnson created his Medicare. Prior to that, (for about 100 years), if you were retired from the service, A L L your medical needs were "free". Free if you don't count getting your ass shot or shot at. We just set back and allowed it to happen!!! Now nearly all the benefits once enjoyed AND EARNED are history. We have set back and allowed one thing after another, (I'm afraid to say what) to rip the constitution right straight into Hell. Now, it's too late and we get what we get :(
I'm native american and served this country's Military for 20+ years, I'd say my country but that was taken away from us. Promises, Promises nothing new everyone, same old shit different day.
Here's my thought:
McCain Okay With Military Benefit Cuts
It includes cuts in health care.
McCain is a Navy Veteran.
What's he thinking?
I suppose he doesn't care about the effects it would have on our military and veterans who served and had certain guarantees promised to them!
Perhaps his promise to America is just as cold as his heart apparently is!
Mr. McCain, did it not mean anything to you?
Anxiously awaiting your response; and so are the American people you took an oath to serve!
dont forget McCain has his Military retired pay, POW Disable Veteran pay, his wife Budweiser fortunes, his lobby friends for benefits and oh yeah dont forget congress is legal to do insider trading on Wall Street …. but it is totally illegal per SEC for any one else to do insider trading! no wonder congress and senators get rich even if only 2 years inside!!!
"McCain Okay With Military Benefit Cuts" He is a traitor and should be ashamed. At one time I was very proud of and looked up to brothers in arms like him. He may have started his political career with good intentions but (just like the rest) has become nothing more than another egotistical career politician with an exaggerated sense of self-importance and intelligence. They are now taking money and benefits from those who worked for them and are giving them to those who don't or won't work and people who are in the country illegally. This must be a bad dream. How could things get turned around this bad when the most intelligent people in the country are calling the shots. I'm afraid things will never get back like they should be until everything hits bottom and starts over if you know what I mean…
I do not think congress or senators are intelligent I think after 6 months in DC their minds go to slush! :( reason to get rid of all of them!
That rat ba$tard was hard luck when he was stationed on any carrier. Then he shot himself down (no the enemy didn't hit him) and now he is screwing us. I wnat HIS healthcare plan!
I am no longer selling the military or service as an option for young people… SEN McCain is just the tip of the iceberg as to how bad the leadership in this country treats it's Veterans! For all those who serve thank you from a true American and with any luck those in power will some day catch on to the meaning "In Defense of a Nation"…
What does MaCain mean by restricting Tri-Care Prime to working aged Veterans. What if a Veteran is not working. Does this mean to bad so sad your out, so money can be saved. At the same time Obama talks about his jobs bill that has no veterans preference. Ask how many news reporters are talking to veterans about this situation. Tell me how an illegal immigrant can get work but a veteran can't , you call this America. I will be happy when GOD returns now thats rightousness.
Even though the "government" has increased the number of TriCare Doctors, RN's, counselors etc. but, it does not help when facility will not let the doctors practice what is required for them to do their jobs to help us veterans and family members who have TriCare and the VA cannot and does not have qualified medical to do some of the procedures! I have tried the congress and senators more a waste of time totally! nothing no good has happened period!!!
And what if a veteran can't work—or loses his job. Even with a job, and with insurance, the insurance only covers a certain percentage of any medical bills. Then you are stuck with the rest. If you had a $100,000 hospital bill—you'd be stuck with $20,000 to pay out of your pocket. The millionaire politician needs to be voted out.
Actually Obama's Jobs Plan gives a tax break to anyone hiring a veteran which should help us vets get jobs…..
I have lost al respect for McCain. He and the rest of the politicians should cut their retirment in half and see how that feels. They should not even get any pension if they don't serve 20 yrs. I have paid my dues and am close to retirement, I believe the contract I signed was for all the benifits. McCain cut your retirement and give the very few % of the military that make it to retirement 100% of their pay and benifits. This counrty is going down hill fast and the military is paying for it.
they should not be allowed to serve 20 yrs their minds turn to mush max is 10 years!! or 12 yrs for the 4 yr termers but no more than that need new fresh ideas more often revolving
McCain ought to change parties again because he sounds like a democrat wannabe. This ex-POW is selling us retirees down the river and needs to go back to hanoi!!!!!!!!
They put us under the bus for life. Thank U.S. Congress for life.
I can only agree with everything that has been said. I spent 29 years in the Marine Corps and served in Vietnam. I was also a Career Planner for a while and had to talk to everyone near the end of their contract about all the benefits of staying in. Included in this was medical care for life at no charge. I had ti sign paper work stating I had told the individual about this. It turned out to be a lie on the governments part. I am sorry fot that.
McCain = McCass
SALARIES – Keep this one going….
Salary of retired US Presidents ………….$180,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of House / Senate Members……..$174,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of Speaker of the House ………….$223,500 FOR LIFE
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders…..$193,400 FOR LIFE
Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN $38,000
I think we found where the cuts should be made!
If you agree…RE-POST!!!.
I served from 61 to 81, my pay started at $78.00 per month. After more than 20 years I was making $1231.00 a month as an E-7 I draw $1453 per month for retirement. A friend of mine worked for FORD and now get $4500.00per month.Just think about that.
Thats been said over &over. The only way to change things is to use your vote and send the free loaders packing. I vote this way and most people who complain the most do not vote .God bless our soldiers .
I suggest people write their two Senators and Congressperson. I did that about the pay + benefits issues and only got one semi-serious response. If more people realized some of these members of the House and Senate are not really looking out for them and voted, these members would behave very differently.
i totally agree. They should look at their own retirement benefits first. Free health care, unreal pension plan. get with the real world and stop giving it all to yourself you bums. We should not re-elect any of them.
I so much agree with those #
I agree,it's a real shame that the only way to save money is cuts to the military and their families. Seems to me if you make these cuts you may have to go back to the draft to get people to serve. Shame on you McCain, you'll never get a vote from our family again
Any fees for TFL must be tied to ones income. Lower income retirees should
pay much less and any fees must be phased in over 3 or 4 yrs. This fee will
likely come about so opposition to it should limit it's impact on those with fixed
incomes.
Ithink that the Presentent and Congress should look inhouse and cut there first. I spent 21 yeas in the military and have had to fight to get most of my beifits. I don,t think it right to take from the retired and disabled vets first. The same goes for the retired people. We have all fought and worked for the little we get. Leave our retirement and medical that we were promissed ALONE.
James E. Stogner USAF (RET)
It's time all politicians share is the cut in benefits the 99% of americans are facing every year, no cost of living for disabled veterans, social security for the elderly for the past 3-4 years. Oh, but you can bet your ass Congress kept on voting their pay raises every year, it's time to cut the FAT from all the polliticians, you'll hear their sorry ass's cry all around the world.
I am a Vietnam veteran and i server to Mc Cain. And i am DAV Vet who depend on the money i get. How would you like for someone to take your money from you? That you depend on to keep yourself going. You should be a shame of yourself. You call yourself a conrad in arms how can you sleep at nights
I served 1961 to 1981, retired as an E7. Was told for 20 years I would receive free medial care, and a decent retirement. Now I know exactly how Native Americans feel.
We fought the politicians wars, we cleaned up the politicians messes and they get the good life.
I agree!!!
Larry N.
McCain = McCass
SALARIES – Keep this one going….
Salary of retired US Presidents ………….$180,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of House / Senate Members……..$174,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of Speaker of the House ………….$223,500 FOR LIFE
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders…..$193,400 FOR LIFE
Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN $38,000
I think we found where the cuts should be made!
If you agree…RE-POST!!!.
Read more: http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2011/10/mcc…
MilitaryAdvantage.Military.com
HOW CAN CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN SAY THEY REPRESENT THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY MAKE SO MUCH MONEY AND THEIR MEDICAL AND RETIREMENT SYSTEMS ARE SO DIFFERENT THAN OURS.THEY REPRESENT THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS AND NOT THE PEOPLE,LETS START A WAVE TO GET THEIR SALARY DOWN AND THEIR RETIREMENT AND MEDICAL THE SAME A S THE PEOPLE.WHERE IS THE WASTE OF MONEY,YOU KNOW IT IS THE WASHINGTON ELITE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT, NOT ROB THE PEOPLE.
Salary of retired Salior with 20 years active duty……… $17,450.00 No Longer For Life?
Folks keep posting these. Reality:
1. Presidential retirement salary (for being Commander in Chief) – the rate of a Cabinet Secretary, currently $193,000/year.
2. Congressional Retirement: 1.7%/year of their top 3 years, payable at age 62. If they serve 20 years, they can collect at age 50. Max payout of 80% of their top 3, which would require them serving at least until age 74.
Number of Presidents: 1
Number of Congressmen: 453
Number of Senators: 100
Number of troops in Afghanistan: approximately 100,000.
Start doing the math. Cutting troops will save more money than cutting Congressional pay. Here's another hint: The entire budget for Congress is $98 million. The cost of military personnel – over $100 billion.
Yes you are right im a 20 yr vet and its a sad day that when our young men come back from war broken down and hurt and wore out and the salary that they and we recive its a shame and a crime that you would cut the men and women pay that has done the job for all you rich people that sit back and watch on TV what we do and have done for our country and you
want to cut our pay and our benifits, THIS IS A SAD DAY FROM THE TOP AND TO THE BOTTOM OF PEOPLE WHO IS IN CHARGE !!!!!!!
i most certainly agree
I agree with this why don't they cut there salaries that would save a even more than cutting the military. Most of them have never served in the military. Senator John McCain is an idiot and so is Obama. They make me sick. I feel sorry for the men and women in uniform serving under such mindless idiots. Screw them all.
Not only that, free medical benefits for life even if they were only a one term Senator or a Representative (misnomer as they do not represent us)
No, they don't get the opportunity to pay for medical after they leave office until they collect retirement. For that they must serve 5 years (minimum) to be eligible to collect at age 62. After 20 years, they can collect (and start paying for their medical care under FEHBP) at age 50.
Please learn the facts before posting.
McCain is either on drugs or being bought off by somebody. The man is a complete jerk.. He should give up his retirement from the senate as he does not deserve it.
I have often thought it did not make sense for a man/woman to serve in congress for just one term and then collect hugh amounts for life.
I'm not using Tricare for Life at present but thought I might suspend my present insurance and try it out. As a widow I think it is unfair to make promises and then break them.
"I have often thought it did not make sense for a man/woman to serve in congress for just one term and then collect hugh amounts for life."
It doesn't make sense because they can't. Haven't been able to since at least 1946, when they put themselves under the Civil Service Retirement System.
It has been said, " Man is evil only with another man."
So how do you separate the two?
You can't………….. there will always be evil.
Define evil: GREED
POWER
MONEY, etc. etc. etc.
It is long known that Congress gets our soldiers to fight their wars while they collect huge benefits. There is no reason for Congress to propose changes to any veterans benefits. They need to make cuts in their own salaries with our country being in a financial crisis. Further, it is a total shame that Congress will not work out a deal with the President's job plan for political purposes. Professional soldiers work 24/7 to keep our country safe while Congress will not even consider putting any unemployed American back to work. This is the worst Congress ever in our history, and I hope they all get voted out of office this next election. And yes Republicans! I have my ID card, birth certificate, passport, and any other document needed to vote! So bring it on! And you John Boehner, Speaker of the House. You couldn't lead your way out of a wet paper bag! Thumbs down always to the do-nothing Congress!
I am not opposed to cost of living increases to help fund tricare, but I would like to find a way to put all Federal government employee’s (Senate/Congress/Executive branch) under the same benefits and retirement plan that the US military personnel are under. I am retired from the Navy and was promised life time healthcare for me and my family – I understand that this is costly and that we need to restructure benefits, this should be reviewed for future new employees that will know what they are signing up for and have current retiree’s have only cost of living adjustments… There needs to be a national referendum to change how the future senators/congressman get retirement benefits…
I never liked this guy, never voted for him, he was always phony and two faced, privileged and the vietnam bit was also a cover up to the fact he was protected there(by Daddy) as well. Remeber all things are controlled with pay-off's and money.He could care less about the vets and the retirees problems and concerns, just look how his new rich trophy wife acts and daughter, they are no repulicans, and no, he will not take a cut in pay or beniees. But we will. Big time shame on you.
Of course he'd be ok with it. He doesn't have to live with it. When the congress starts taking a cut in their ludicrous retirement package then they can start looking at someone else.
I would like to see the 'Tea Party' take to task the present PAY AND BENEFITS that the Members of Congress get once elected. They only have to serve one term and become endowed for life with Full Pay and Free paid Medical Benefits. They need to be on the same page as the rest of the American Public and receive the same Retirement Benefits that we receive – and not a penny more. THEN WE WOULD SEE A COMPLETE ABOUT FACE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF PAY AND BENEFITS CUTS OR ADDITIONAL FEES ARE UP FOR DISCUSSION AND ENACTMENT!
If the 'Tea Party' took this to task and made it a solid part of their Platform, I would vote for them.
I wrote all of those up on the hill,and not one of them cares enough to write back. The only way to correct this is vote all of them out.We need term limits on everyone of them. Remember the health care you were promised if you served 2o plus years. Clinton took that away in 1993, and then started taxing the social security that you get. They just can't stop screwing the military. i have contacted the tea party and not one person has contacted me back. Maybe we need to get it satrted on our own. All of you on this site let me know. United we stand.
To contact me send to visitingclubie@att.net. We can do something together. UNITED WE STAND> Devided we fall. Thats what they want, to keep us devided.
You are wrong in cutting the benifits for the military. You will see alots of guys ,not signing up,or staying in. By the the way, the congress or senators, should not get any retirement or life time medical neither. You need to remember that. The american people will fight this battle. You know you were in the miltary, don't do this. You are a old man, you don't care about what these guys do. They are over there in the war zone and you have the balls , to cut the military. My husband got 28 years, and we sign a paper and we will get our benifits for life. John, you know you are wrong and I hope these young men, stay out of the miltary, if congress gets retiement for life and medical, so the rest of the miltary. You won't win on this. the people will fight congress on thisand the president. If you think people is going to set back and let you guys do this, think twice.
For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform… in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.
I cant beleive McCain is doing this ..,,.,.definately forgot where he came from…why is it our government always wants to cut military and education….they need to look on Capital Hill for any cuts that need to be made….,
What, we're supposed to be surprised? This clown campaigned as hard as anyone for Obama in '08. John, thanks for your service in Nam. Now just go away!
Hey Mc-insane shut your pie hole you low life pos.Why don't you grab your ba((z and take a very good look into your own backtard first dipweed.Term limits for memebers of congress cut bennies for congress and cut their pay.This would be a start and the true meaning of leadership. Lead by example you over paid hogs. Congress needs a big time trimming they get to much and burden the poor who put it on the line for them. Mc- Insane wouldn't be talking like this if he depended on military bennies alone. Like many have said he has lost my support a long time ago. It's amazing they hold troops up so high when they need you to die yet when it comes money cutting time they cut the very ones who saved their azzez.These lame protestors are going after the wrong folks they need to go to the capital and stand in front of congress and the white house. But i guess Soros won't pay them then if they did.
This is just sad and a real disappointment coming from Mr. McCain. I used to have great admiration for him, but now it is completely gone. This is coming from a bunch of politicians who get an ANNUAL pay raise UNLESS they Vote Against It! What a bunch of hypocrites! VN Vet
Obama is an unreconstructed social activist. As such his goals do not match up well with the typical veteran. He never held a goods or product producing job. His work as a social activist was to help financially strapped citizens get their share of benefits offered by the Government, whether they ever worked or not. Help for those who genuinlly need it is admirable and I support it. But until he starts cracking down on Welfare Queens and other cheats I am suspicious of his "transfer from those who have to those who don't". Beware, he is expert at pitting one group of citizens against another and then blaming the group that is losing benefits as being the enemy for not wanting to give up those thimngs they've earned and paid for. He and all the Dems are real pips.
For the first time,I have to say that I am actually ashamed of McCain. As a Vietnam Vet and a retiree, I would think that, he of all people would stand up for all of the veterans of present and past wars. I am sick of what our politicians are doing and have done to this great country that we and our fathers and grandfathers have fought for. So, one thing that we can do is VOTE out of office all of these politicians and start anew. And the next time a war is started, go to the rich and spoiled and ask them to put their lives on the line! We cannot sit back and complain but let's vote and let the politicians see that they are in office to serve the people and not the people to serve them!!!!
So McCain sits there and makes these recommendations while he is receiving his full military benefits including for POW plus all his perks while in Congress.
So he recommends to cut and increase TRICARE benefits for all who are retired.
What a GOOD GUY HE IS. Sure glad he isn't President, bad enough with what we got.
We really ought to change the entire system…… SERVE in the Military or Federal Service for the right to vote. Too many stupid people out there.
Mccain is a rotten so&so i will drop to his level. but he is lower then a snakes belly to even think of doing this. all this time i saw him as an american hero, but i now know that he nothing but another jerk
It's funny we allow the goverment to spend our money but we do not get to spend theirs. McCain needs to go . I thought he was a joke when he tried to get a woman for vice president because there was a black man running. Our new president has to fight with both parties bacause they are so busy covering all those promises they made to the people in there state who gave them money. My husband and I were told the same thing we would NOt have to pay for medical when we retired. Now here we are paying. I do not agree our benefits need to be cut . we are the first to cover the goverments butts when we go to war. I believe you should first give up your big bucks and live like the rest of us who are making it pay check to pay check , Seeing how you have manage to screw up the everything else up now. Try living like the rest us. You want homeless off the streets and want us to pay big bucks for medical , give us a loan so we can pay for medical. Guess what we wont be able to pay the loan back , why because we dont have the money. LEAVE THE RETIREES AND ALL MILITARY PEOPLE ALONE. WE ARE THE ONES WHO PROTECT YOUR BUTTS WHILE YOU SIT UP THERE AND SCREW US .
Having lost a husband for our country ,now they want us to loose our health beefits!!!What more do they want to do to us? Having a Grandson in the military,what will they do to the people that are protecting our country?
McCain… Shame on you! I am disgusted to call you my state's senator. Retirement benefits MUST be grandfathered in. Any changes to future retire benefits must start after a set future date for any one new to the military. Current/retired military members cannot be affected by these proposed changes. Period!!
Congress needs to look at their benefits and cut them first.
mc cain sucks
He abandoned the POW's when he came back from Vietnam, why wouldn't he abandon the current vets.
McCain, I hope when you meet your father and grandfather in the hereafter I hope they knock the living daylights out of you for screwing fellow comrades. You are a pathetic individual and you disgrace your old uniform. With guys like this in office suppose to be for us we sure don't need to worry about any enemies. God Please save us from these morons!!!!
I am ashamed at Senator McCain for doing what he is doing to the retirees. Of all the Senators and Represenatives, he would have been the last one that I thought would wash us down the drain. Shame on you!
McCain is a POS. I wonder who's side he is on. I remember back in the 90"s McCain was against looking for MIA's. In fact, when some big shot NVA officer testified, MCCain went up and hugged the SOB. McCain is a first class asshole.
Nexk go round , you will see the $200. jump to $400 then to a $1000 and then who knows. This is not fair to us who faithfully served all those years then retired. You can bet SC Sen Linsey Graham will follow and support McCain . I say cut their benifits and any other congress member by voting these rascals out nexk election.
Disable US Army Viet Nam Vet – Senator McCain is a multi-millionaire and a bit out of touch with the real world. I am gratified to hear and see the response of the general population with our Iraq & Afghan vets. This is a big difference from the Viet Nam era when we returned home. We were treated as disposable assets by the politicians then and that does not seem to have changed at the politician level. Each war has its signature wounds and Afghan is no different. If you lose a leg there is a $50K benefit, it you lose two, its $100K. Because of the IED and bad roads there are lots of boots on the ground so lost limbs is the signature wound and because of the way the IED works they lose their limbs and in a majority of cases their testicles and penis. Compensation for those body parts zero, that’s $0 dollars. Read More in next comment
Continued Comment – The politicians have got around to looking at that because Harry Reid’s Cowboy Poetry Festival takes priority to name just one on the pork barrel activities the politicians fight for, certain more important that taking care of the wounded coming back from the war they approved. We have issues and cutting our benefits to Tricare is just one. They promised to take care of the vets that lost body parts but only certain body parts and now we’re seeing them place a clock on the benefits. We’ll soon be on our own but we can take satisfaction that the Fed’s will pay for the Cowboy Poetry Festival in the State of Nevada. – End
Here's how this should happen! We have an election coming up in months. Why not vote each and every incumbent out of office and only vote of the individual who has time spent in the military or is a military retiree! It is very clear that those currently in office do not care about those that put them there! Lets start a new moverment, vote out the incumbent and give a military retiree your vote. We need to stand together as a unit just like we did when we were on active duty. You screw with one of us, you screw with all of us! Lets not take it any longer! I don't have a fancy name but I'll bet we can come up with something!!!
My Husband served in Viet Nam and Desert Storm(1990-1991) , died on May 10,1997 from lung cancer. He was 55 years old,left 3 sons(ages 24,23,and 16). I was 53. It has been a long 17 years without him,he now has 3 grandsons he did' not live to enjoy. senator mccain(lower case deserved) shame You do not need your benefits since your pockets are full from the generous benefits from Congress service.
How about working age congressmen they only have to serve one term as a congressman and they get a full retirement what do they risk a paper cut or cold coffee or get busted by their wives with their girlfriend wtf
congress pensions are fully vested in 5 years,but they have to be 62 to get it.If they want to receive a pension when they are 50 they have to be fully vested for about 20-25 years,but its still a fantistic deal plus the medical setup is super.
He is a politician now and like the rest of them as long as there Cadillac type benefits are not cut they don't give a dam for any one else.They live in there own world,and i hope him and others that think like him,get voted out.
See, I knew we should have elected McCain/Palin.
I so agree with everyone. They want to cut our military benefits after all the veterans put their lives on the line, whichever war you fought in. They need to give us some of their money out of their pockets or cut some of their benefits. See how they will like that. Shame on Mr. McCain
CANT BELIEVE A VETERAN WOULD EVER APPROVE OF SUCH A PLAN. HOWEVER HE HAS PLENTY OF MONEY. IT WONT AFFECT HIM !!!
This is why you should vote these people out of office. Unless we vote, we have nothing to say!
Evidently they got to McCain while imprisoned in Nam. I have never trusted him and I do not think he is a "hero". He lost a multi-million dollar plane and was captured by the enemy. How does that make one a "hero".
Wow I guess when you don't need the benefits you earned while serving in uniform any longer because those that you get now from the tax payers for serving as a congressman far exceed them you can easily turn your back! It is so darn crazy how they always look at cutting benefits from the minority (less than 1% ever serve), even though the benefits we earned were promised to us, heck when many of us came in we were told we would get our retirement and FREE medical for the rest of of our life's if we gave our country 20 years of faithful and honorable service. Now after giving these years to our country, our government, the one we served for in time of WAR is going back on their word! If they keep screwing with the military we will end up having a draft again, and we all know the type of military units we get when we have folks serving that were drafted!
McCain doesn't need the money, so why should he care? He's earned plenty, inherited most and has a great retirement plan as a member of the Senate. Why don't we start cutting their benefits; they have the best plan $$$ can buy. I guess he (McCain) has joined forces with hope and change. We can change the direction of this country but, we'll have to decide next November. "Real" change is coming soon, I hope you're ready!
If Senator McCain was half the Man he projects to and a True Repersentative of our Natiouns heros, his focus should be on benefits for all military families. He should shoulder his support for all veterans and see to it that his and others in congress cut their benefits to the maximum and be on the same as ALL VETS !!!. Many of hoom should not get their benefits until they retire and at the same level of all HUMANS.
He calls himself one of us! This band of brothers and sisters should let him know about the ones he left behind in The Hilton and let him know he has betrayed them and us. HE HAS BECOME ONE OF THE TRAIDORS ON THE HILL.
I am calling on all Retirees to unite and vote people like this out of Office. And for you that want to continue to support this double talking individual you get what you deserve when he cuts your benefits. I respect the man who spent all those years as a POW. But, i do not respect him for what he has become an elitest of the highest caliber.
Has McCain lost his mind!!! My husband and family have given our lives for this country and now is disabled due to fighting for this country they are wanting to take was promised and earned. Another thing has anyone ever considered those elderly retirees already pay for their Medicare benefits all Tricare sometimes picks up is the difference. Also, what about the spouse who has given their time and life up to follow their solider, airman, sailor, marine around this world holding down the home front. Are we going to take away their benefits. Seems this government is not using wisdom. On one hand they want to force feed Obama Care then they want to take that same health care from those who have earned it. This is a case of double talk. Those in government need to start paying for all their coverage, as they do earn the most money, while retiree's live on fixed incomes. Guess McCain has all he needs, made his mark secured his future, guess he has sold his fellow soldiers out to the enemy. Like they say everyone has a price! All the enemy has to do is name it!
I'm getting disgusted with the way our goverment proposes to treat the very ones that sucure the freedoms that we all enjoy. Now, one of our own (Mcain) wants to adjust one of the hard earned benefits. Have you no pride John McCain? Two hundred more dollars taken out of this 85 year old vet wil be the proverbial camel that will breaks the back.
McCAIN is like the rest, he is an actor, he played his role and got to be very rich, dont you people out there know this by now, there is only one thing to do. stop going in the military, let the rich kids go, the big shots promise you all the world and you all believe it.its election time again dont vote,it doesnt count, they just laugh at you all at their big parties, McCaim is low and getting lower each day. to take away from the men who served for 20 yrs or more is a disgrace my husband died SEPT 05, 2010 , he spent 20 yrs in the Navy and he died of AGENT ORANGE, he rotted away, One time our country was great and it still could be but you all must fight kick McCain to the curb, stop believing the lies, until you all do, the WHITE HOUSE and every one in there will walk away with their benfits and pensions while we end up with nothing
McCain Sucks. thats all I have to say.
What in the hell is wrong with this old fool? ok since he wants to cut our benifits lets see if he is included in the cuts, cut his benifits, senate pension and all the fringe perks he gets, while we are cutting lets cut the congress and senate pension plan, medical plan and benifts afforded their dependents, that in itself is costing us tax payers a fortune each year, if they want it let them pay into it.
I have been saying the same for a while. Retirees have not had a COLA increase in three years,and now you want to adjust my medical benefits just because I have to work to make ends meet.
Our government officials have everything paid for, can raise their pay at the drop of a hat and have retirement benefits for the rest of their lives that no one can touch. But they can take our benefits away when ever they get in a bind. It would be nice if they paid attention to the PEOPLE like they say they do, but they only worry about getting re-elected.
We are not the ones who caused this mess, why do we have to pay to fix it.
There are many ways to cut the deficit rather than punishing the military yet again. Stop earmarks, stop foreign aid, make congress work 40 hours week, cut staff who does the work for them and many, many more.
Senator McCain was the only alternative to Barrack Obama in the 2008 Prresidential election. Notably he has enjoyed the priveleges of his service albeit much of it having been a prisoner of war, and automatic promotions rewarding valor. That said, his campaign was pathetic; his willingness to throw the men and women having served real careers at risk of blood, limb, and lives, is hardly a epitah most would be proud to script.
11 billion/year. This amount has NO IMPACT on DoD's budget; so why treat retired military like second class citizens? I agree – let's drastically cut congressional pay/benefits first, then we'll talk. With congressional cuts, we'll return to the concept of 'service to our country', not lifetime employment for people who can't hold a job in the private sector.
It is time for the American people to get off their asses and take control of our country. In any way we can…………………………………………………………………………..
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!!
You can bet that McCain is not going to give up his retirement plan. Lets start by looking at the retirement and medical plans of Congress, and starting cutting there.
AMEN!!!
Senator McCain is a has been, and since he is getting millions for
doing nothing, because that is just what he is doing nothing, but
running his mouth, he wants to throw in his two cents worth.
Lets see how gutsy these has beens are by they themselves give
them a pay cut, and enroll into tricare and pay the premimums
and put themselves in our shoes, then lets just see how much
they have to say about cuts. As soon as we retired we got a cut
as our military pay was cut, our benefits were cut, and the only
thing that was raised was the red tape, when it comes time to
get our just dues.
am really suprised thaa McCain would do that. Why don't they stop hte Sen's and Congress pay for several years and also get rid of the CZARS that we really do not need. That would probably save a Billion or two. And while you are at it get there idiots to stop sending all out money to Obamas friend who hate us and would like to wipe us out. Get our troops home and put most of them on our Southern and Northern boarders to keep some of the Fiff-raf and Illeagals out of out fountry.
The Congress And Senate, and all the politicins that allege to work for the bettement of our country and its military, have abanded the support of the nations citizens, and it's active, and retired personel. Eventually you will find
disruption in our cities and a lack of willingness to join the military. Who among our congress and senate will bare arms to protect the people of our nation. The govenment of the United State has made a comitment to each member of our military and now they want take it away after we have completed our commitment. WHAT SAY YOU, LEADERS OF OUR COUNTRY
Once again you face us the few in our nation who sacrificed so much for the promise of these benefits in the end. This cannot stand. You as leaders jeopardize the morale and welfare of currently serving and retired soldiers.
The current Executive and legislative branches are attacking those without a strong voice and yet you are making it as if 53 billion is some burdensome sum of money. I can think of many other programs that should be cut such as no job creating loans, like Solyndra (pays for 10 years) and any other politically motivated failed programs.
We veterans are not hemorrhaging the nation as The Honorable Mr. Chambliss views these benefits. We the Soldiers, Sailors and Marines stopped the United States from Hemorrhaging with our own Lives, Blood and Sweat. Shame on all of the supporters of this legislation.
I challenge you to put Congresses benefits and soldiers as a nation referendum and let the people decide whose benefits should be cut, I believe yours would be first.
Just think this one loan to Solyndra would have made every American a millonaire and still have some left over.
So whats new?They got theirs and the hell with those of us who did our thing. I am so P O with smug lawmakers that don't care for the people kept themselves safe while we gave our all. Get it together and shut the hell up . I,m a 100% diable vet with 20 years in service.
Well is it time to vote all of them out .8 yrs Look we the pepole have the power but not the nerve vote them out
McCain is also a millionair and does not have to live off his retirement pay, social and anything else one might have coming to them as a source of income.As one who gave so much for his country, it is a shame to see him take this stand but he has fallen into the same BS as the rest of the people in Congress!!
So you did not post my comment on McCain? My husband served in Vietnam and Desert Storm,died because of lung cancer in 1997. His sons were 24,23,and 16. I was 53,it has been 17 years of being alone. We now have 3 grandsons who will never know their Grandfather. Maybe McCain would like to give his benefits to them,at least he lived to see his grandchildren. We gave up a lot of family time to the armed forces(Navy and Army),we should get something in return.
I guess John McCain has forgotten were he came from and that he once was a military man. When did it become OK to cut any of our benefits when we go out their and die for our country.USA. How about cutting some of the Congress's benefits and keeping them from taking vacations all the time. A President needs to have served his country so they will know what its all about "Sacrafice" "Dieing for your Country" "Fighting for your Country".
To paraphrase General George Washington,
“The ability of a nation to call it’s young to service today will be judged on how they view how veterans of prior wars have been treated.”
Just keep cutting and reneging on those who have sacrificed the most and watch the volunteer military suffer!
What volunteer military? If military pay/entitlements, retiree benefits, disabled entitlements, etc. are cut, what young man/woman in their right mind would ever volunteer and join the service…knowing that they may come home in a casket or mammed (mentally or physically). With basically no benefits, drastically reduced entitlements, there will be no volunteers. Without volunteers, who's going to defend our Country?
My husband are both Navy Retirees my husband a Vietnam Veteran. The government officials need to take a close look in the mirror. If it were not for the veterans who served when called upon or those of us who gave freely we would not be celebrating the freedom we have today. Families and lives changed by military service. If you think it is so easy go suit up and go into battle then see if you think cuts should be made. I am very suprised when I saw this message about Sen . McCain. I guess the government can corrupt anyone and now he is just one of them. If cuts are to be made start with the government officials and let that be the role model for the rest of us. They think it is a battle in Congress try Afghanastan.
We all didn't marry a woman that had millions. He saying to hellwith the Vets, Ihave mine made.
He needs to CUT his NECK—McCain are you SICK???????
Has McCain thought about how much it cost to sujpport the ilegals in tjhe Us?They are living here against the law, whch the current administration won't inforce. I had 5 brothers and 4 of us servied in the military with 2 of us serving 20 or more years. The world would be speaking German if wasn's for those who fought and died for our freedom and way of live. All the other comments hit the nail on the head.
I schutter at the though that this guy McCain could have been our Commander In Chief. I agree with Chares he CHEAPENS HIMSELF Disgracefully!!!
Why do people defend the top "1" % and worry about them paying more taxes. I don't get it at all. Military members deserve all of their benefits without question . The next time I hear of a CEO down behind enemy lines fighting the Taliban I might have a little more concern for the top "1%" until then I say pay your fair share !!!
McCain is so willing to decrease our benefits–but, is he willing to recommend that members of the House and Senate pay for their own health insurance? Is he willing to eliminate Congress' free health care benefit? What other perks is he willing to eliminate–as a good will gesture of course.
Please leave your thoughts on Senator McCain's web site: http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAct…
McCain…you embarrass me and a lot of other retirees and Republican voters.. You are more senile than Goldwater ever was!!! Obama is not going to take you on his ticket….so get you nose out of his rear end….and get a life you POS
John McCain Sucks and has Never had his Brother Veterans in his Heart !
I'm sure none of his Vietnam/POW Disability Benefits will Eer Be Touched , much less ever Cut !!!!!!! He Has been Spoon Fed with a Silver Spoon His Entire Life . Yeah he got shot down over North Vietnam, Hey so did a lot of other Better Pilots !. He's Rode that POW Band Wagon ever since his Realease ! Dumped his Firts wife for Cindy's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I from Arizona , and I know many a Vet that have asked for his help and never got it !!
Time for" Ole John" to Ride Off into the Sunset. It's just to Sad that he will get to keep All his Benefits , "For Life" !
"Arizona Nam Vet "
Every time I check into the "military" blog it gets worse and worse. I am a wife of an active duty husband. The hours put in, with no such thing as bonuses or a boost in pay is also something no one looks at. You get paid the same for YEARS whether you work 10 hours or 16. I thought that was illegal. Even AAFES Burger King gets double time and time and a half !!! How many congress or senate pals miss Christmas, Birthdays, anniversaries, even the birth of your first born? I am furious at what Mcain is proposing. They have medical for life and pay nothing. While they decide what day to go to work. When your in a war you don't get time-off. People volunteer to go to war to make extra money for combat pay, they may never come home.
I stayed in the Military for my country plus the benifits but evey time you turn around they want to take more away from us. I don't think anyone in congress understands what they are doing!.All that congressman want is a free ride and a large paycheck. they can not even stay in office to try and do there job they want extra money to stay and do there job, well that is one of there jobs is to stay there untill it is finished and not extra money they get paid way to much as it is.
let's all get hold of McCain, and tell him to cut his benefits, pay, etc. then and only then does he have the right to start hammering on the little guy.
Obama, until you and Michelle can live off of my retirement without the two of you getting a job and try to make ends meet, you will never know the hard work and dedication we Veterans have made to this country and this is the way you and Congress and it is safe to say the majority have never served either, decide to start looking at cutting your paycheck, medical care and retirement, then leave ours alone. McCain, over the years you have come to be a great disappointment, you're loosing my respect, not all of us can marry a rich woman and don't have to worry about taking care of our family.
Just like always is the Military Veterans to make the Sacrifice . First we put our life on the line and now they want our Benefits too. Look at yourselves Congress when are you going to cut YOUR BENEFITS which I might add FAR FAR out weigh any benefit I or other reitrees get.
How about cutting out all the benefits to illegals – especially those drawing social security that never pay or have paid into it. That would free untold billions!
This seems like a strange way to keep an "all volunteer" military into the future. Unless they are trying to get a really dumb all volunteer military. Just saying.
McCain like all the others in DC is a multi-millionaire, all acquired after he was elected to congress. He still votes 'aye' to give himself a raise every year and if you recall, a candidate for president in 2008 who could not even remember how many homes he owns. So this old man could are less if the rest of us go under – he has his!
I guess having a multi millionaire wife puts the importance of retirement pay and promised health benefits in a different light, doesn't it Senator? It's incomprehensible that such a high profile veteran and former POW could make statements like this.
The former POW is no longer able to reason, elderly and it's a blessing that he wasn't elected and we got a young president. We need to get older (for life) politician replaced thru votes.
Lets look at it like this , if they take away working age and working dependents Tri-care, they should do the same to the people in Congress. Yes, I guess being married to a multi millionaire as a wife it would not matter would it Sentor. Stop taking from those who have serverd this country faithfully.
He's in the BIG POLITICAL Game now. It's a whole new ballgame with different rules..bottom line..he sold out! Now, he's going to sell us out!
So disappointing!
My husband retired with 20 years.we have tricare prime we pay 460 now plus our co pays last years we had over 2000.00 in copayand meds.we thought everything was going to free
If the senator wants to make cuts, he should start with Foreign Aid! For example, the United States has given Egypt over $5 billion a year for over 30 years, with little to no accountability and we get WHAT in return, that's $150 BILLION. He could also cut the operating budget for the State Department by at least 25%, because this agency is soo bloated. You can go on-line and cannot find out how much their budget is, what are their salaries, what are their benefits and who pays for them, what are the rates at their credit union. Who determines how much each country gets and how long do they get it. Is there no cut-off for foreign aid, or does the state department just write a blank check. Senator, you need to do some hard work by checking out the state department and cutting some money from them, instead of picking on the veterans, of which you are one, and being from Arizona as I am, you should be more understanding of your fellow veterans.
As a WWII and Korean War vet, I was promised that if I shipped over I, as well as any dependents would get free medical for life. Then as soon as my wife was eligible for S.S.and Medicare, I was required to go on with her. Consequently, for years we had to pay for supplement inisurance until Pres. Clinton passed the "Keep Our Promises Act" prior to leaving office. That saved us about $400 per month for supplemental insurance….so now they are breaking their promise again? We should all flood the nearest military hospital facility and demand the free care promised!
Both I And Mccain fought in the same war.I am a retired Air Force M/Sgt and also a 100% disabled Vet. As a POW he reseves a pension form the military and also one from VA,this also includs ,as a Sen. his free haircuts and a compklete set of law book which he recieves each year. Befor the touch our pay the Congress should see how much they can save by gettingh rid of some of thier bennys LEAVE OUR BENIFITS ALONG
To get our tricare we must enroll inMedicare A & B So we allready pay for Tricare
Bottom line: McCAIN, you are a lair and a traitor to your fellow veterains. I hope nothing but the worst for you.
There's a few words I want to say, but the comment policy is preventing me from doing so. You all can fill in the blanks: He's nothing but a ___ ______ ___ __ _ _____. For all my husband did to serve in desert storm, and to be kicked to the curb like that? Military support is the ONLY thing that will chose for whom my vote gets cast. Period.
My husband served 21 years and has now been retired for almost 40 years. He worked after retirement and I also worked and both have retirments, plus Social Security; however, mine is so minimal that I would not miss it if they forgot to send it! Before the government finally did provide health care for retirees, I had healthcare with my employer and my husband was insured under my insurance, then we took Tricare when that was available to us. I truly don't mind paying a small yearly cost for healthcare – $200 is minimal as to what I used to pay. On the other hand, if I am paying for the healthcare, I certainly do not want my benefits cut at the same time. Those retirees who have limited income should not have to pay anything.
Some of us can't afford to lose another $200. My measly Social Security check is already so small after taxes and Medicare Part B that it's almost laughable.
But the point is that promises were made, and now someone wants to go back on their word. That's unforgiveable!!!
As I have stated in the past START IN YOUR OWN PAYCHECK AND ALL THE GIVING TO FORIEGN AID.Feed YOUR OWN FAMILY BEFORE YOU START FEEDING SOMEONE ELSES. I stated once before I'LL TAKE A 10% CUT IF ALL YOU WISE GUYS IN WASHINGTON WOULD STARTING WITH THE PRESIDENT ON DOWN.ALSO DO AWAY WITH YOUR MEDICAL/DENTAL COVERAGE BEING FREE.WEwho have put our s–t on the line and family seperation ETC. HAVE HAD TO FIGHT SINCE DAY ONE TO KEEP WHAT WE WERE PROMISED.GIVE US A BREAK GUYS.
I couldn't agree more!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I retired in 2009 and my net pay is getting smaller and smaller and yet my retiired pay is still the same,, my taxes keep going up,,,my child support is getting higher as well,,,I think that before you get us to pay for our health plan and reconstrut the pay system ,,,YOU SHOULD ALSO DO THE SAME FOR YOUR BUDDIES IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO INCLUDE SEN McCAIN
I guess old man McCain has forgotten that he is part of the Military Retirement System.I guess he just forgot .Maybe he's getting seenile .
He has his congressional free medical, he doesn't need the Tricare or his retired pay.
Leo, he's a millionaire. He doesn't even miss or notice his measly retirement check.
Why does the congress get FREE MEDICAL anyway. Most do not even understand what the military is all about. The only thing they understand is how to SCR–W the VETS. who have served under trying conditions, while having to move all over the world defending what they are stealing from the VETS!!! I think its time to fire all of the law makers?? and start all over! I am retired US ArMY GREEN BERET and spent 22 yrs., 7 months 3 days and 45 mins. in the military deployed all over the world. Could never hold on to a house that I bought or even my savings, as travel pay was never enough to cover the expenses of relocating. How many of our law makers have had to do the same, NONE as they are millionares and everything is paid for them. WHAT A RIP OFF!! PAUL Ret CSM US Army.
Robin Hood is dead. Leave the rich alone and raise the charges that the middle and lower classes shell out for the things that they have earned. Way to go Mr McCain. But then what would I expect of someone who has big business running you and our country.
Do the banks and car companies need more money or can they support their mismanagement without digging into our pockets?
Let's all pay a fair share and remember and honor the promises that were made when we were earning our delayed compensation package.
Our lawmakers and budget people in Washington need to serve this country for this country, not for their own benefit.
They need to do the time to earn a delayed benefit package or at least wait till they are 66 to receive any benefits for government work that they preformed. Unless they have served their country for 30 years. Then they should receive their deferred payments starting at age 62. I am sure that this would save the taxpayers a bundle. This should also be applied to any member of the congress or senate currently receiving benefits prior to age 62 or 66 and no longer serving the nation.
Remember freedom is not free. Take care of those that take care of this great nation or no one will take care of it for our children, grand children and future generations.
I retired from active duty with 30 years of Army service. Senator McCain's comments lend credence to government legislators who have never served a day in the military. All of these comments on this blog are great, but I urge you to call, email, or fax your disgust to Senator McCain as I have just done. These are his numbers. Main: (202) 224-2235, Fax: (202) 228-2862. Also, let your congressman and senators know how you feel. We are sure to be the bill payer if we keep silent. Let those phones ring off the hook in Washington, otherwise, we will lose the benefits we have earned. Blogs alone will not help!
What we all should do is quit! And see how great and free this nation will be when there are no men and women protecting it.
No surprise here, McCain road through the Navy on his Grandfather & Father's shirt-tails. How many other Navy Aviators do you know of that wrecked three (3) airplanes in flight school and yet still got thier wings? This guy is a Liberal, NeoCon, career politician who has done more harm than good over the course of his life in "Public Service" (sic). He doesn't give a rats a$$ about anyone in the Military or the country for that matter. As rich as he is, (like all of our career politicians) why should he care?! Vote 'em all out and have the new ones vote in term limits of 2-4 years apiece X2 and then back home with exactly what you came in with. No more lifetime perks and no exemptions from the laws the pass for the rest of us as is the current policy.
You're right McCain is a " TURNCOAT LIBERAL" loser, and should have been drummed out of the NAVY anyway. He'll never get my vote for anything he represents. I hope all other real AMERICANS feel the same. Drum him and the rest of OBAMA's cronies out of politics.
WELL, NOW WE KNOW ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN. HE IS A DISGRACE TO ALL OF US WHO RETIRED. WE WERE PROMISED FREE MEDICAL CARE FOR LIFE AND OUR WIFE. SHAME ON CONGRESS FOR THE WAY THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN US MILITARY RETIREES. WE GAVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY NOW HAVE AND NOW THEY GIVE US A SLAP IN THE FACE. WHAT A SHAME SENATOR MCCAIN.
When congress starts cutting their bennifits that go into effect on day one and continue for life no mater how long they serve in office, then they can start looking at military retirement bennifits.Untill then keep our nations word and take care of the retired military, they earned it.
I remember when McCain entered the polical arena. All veterans including myself felt we finally had a respected veteran to protect our continuing targeted benifits. I also remenber how you said that you won't fall into the yes trap of politics, boy did we get a surprise. Shame on you Mr. McCain for becoming or always was a YES man to whoever is in your best interest. As stated from other veterans, take away from your double dippin self, because I know as a Senator, your benifits for life are 100% better than that of a Military veteran. I am sure that you have forgotten that when we are involved in a conflict, most veterans always say, I wish they (POLITICANS) would stay out of the conflict and let the Military take care of the business at hand ( the conflict the politicans put us in in the first place). Now you have come full circle and your actions now show all veterans who you really are, Veteran, Politican, and LIAR……..
RON – McCain, Shame on you. You had my vote but you lost it with this kind of proposal. As a retired military person i ask you. Have you lost your mind ? We served our country and deserve the health care this country gives to us. So please wake up and support us. When you were running for Presadent you needed our vote what do you need now ? I say again WAKE UP.
Come On Seth…How much of the $200,000 savings came from your military retirement? I don't know what you did in your service life or if you ever served in combat but you have it wrong. You sound like McCain. $68,000 is nothing to brag about if you have a family to support. That is almost the poverty line in California. You can refuse your retirement and healthcare and live on the $51,000. What say you dodo bird?
Do distraught that I voted for him, can hardly believe it. Add one more disappointment to the list.
Retired Military wife and decendant of Arizona pioneers.
Ret Old Salt
Shame on you Mc Cain. Give your retirement payup and your Healthcare up.You should leave Congress you are not helping our Military Retires in any way or you people in your state
Write and call him and tell him to go under the same recommendation and also just let him live on his military retirement salary!!! Then he can see and feel what he is doing to all of us Fighting and serving to let him get to make decisions and get pay for life than we will get our entire life form our military retirement pay,
If I could express what I thinking now, this sailor's language would melt the monitor. Al C, . Senior Chief Corpsman, US Navy, Retired.
i just heard that MONEY is being provided (GIVEN…not loaned) to the citizens of Libia to help them start their country in a new government. Gee, thats great! But, I didn't hear or see anything about payback. I didn't hear or see anything about guarantees that Libia would become a permanent friend to the USA. So, on the one hand we give money away, but on the other hand, in order to get more, they want us (retired military) to pay for our benefits. I hear often how much our contributions are appreciated and that we should be honored. GREAT!! Give us each and medal and see what you can hock that for? Medals don't pay the bills…money does. Yes…I remember that good soldiers, sailors and airmen don't bitch and moan, they just do their jobs.
I haven't heard one word from any direction about the "benefits" that senators and congress representatives get and no mention of lessening their benefits or making them pay more. Hmmm….seems like a one-sided conversation and since we have no say so, their benefits are not at risk. Maybe we need to put this crap on the election ballets and see what the public think and who should pay for what!
This is all Bull S—t, My brothers he has sent us down with a holely boat with no paddel's. I had a feel this was going to happen. Michael C. Thompson, Semper Fi !
Who would lend credence to this overblown "Hero"? He appears to know everything that will work for our military (active and retired). Do you suppose he learned it while in captivity? I certainly wouldn't classify him as an expert on military affairs. My 21+ years would qualify me, more than him. McCain, go home to Arizona and stay there.
I cant belive this backstabbing sob, HEY congress and senate How much would the people save if your benefits were cut medical,trips,postal,and pay raises. Its time for you to start putting your benefits on the line. Maybe our elected leaders should put 20+ years in government service before they can draw medical/retirement pay.
Please let McCain (the ignorant) know that many of us on TRICARE for Life are among those who won the law suit in Florida regarding the broken promise…e.g. those of us who entered the Navy before Jun 1956 were promised medical, dental for ourselves and dependents for life….After 1956 it was a privilege not a right…. In order to cover their rear ends DoD/Congress decided to put us on Medicare which ain't cheap..So let me get this straight…not only do we not get our free medical,dental we pay both Medicare and TRICARE for Life. What is the benefit, I could get Medicare based on my eligibility for Social Security… God what a bunch of crap…..
I am a retired CWO and I do agree thAT EVERYONE HAS TO PITCH IN to get this nation back on its feet. I really don't mind paying $200 a piece for my wife and I, but, I do worry about the present active duty personnel and the future military personnel. If we don't make the retirement attractive enough, we won't have a volunteer military. Something to think about.
you mean to tell me that it's okay for military to go out every day and put thair life on the line we have men and woman putting thair lives on the line family members having to put thair love ones in the ground 24/7 the military has lost far to much mccain what are you thinking why would you want to do this much more think it you might want to pump on your brakes because this is some bull what you are thinking of do because if it was'nt for these men and woman you would'nt have the freedom that you and yours got right now today in sted of taking from the military you need to give back you could never begin to repaire the hurt and pain that military members and tair familys you can't give them back what thay lost i'm sorry does not cutt it so mccain git up off your ass and make life better fro the military and the family see if you can get that right for once in dam life i am a military wife and from what i can see this is some bss right here MAKE THIS RIGHT FOR OUR SOLDIERS AND THAIR FAMILY MILITARY HAS LOST FAR TO MUCH STOP THE HEART ACH AND PAIN MCCAIN.
You need to brush up on your spelling.
RETIRED ARMY. DON'T COMPLAIN USE YOUR VOTE TO CORRECT THE PROMBLEM
Rene you need to understand a few things. a) I do not agree with McCain nor anyone else who would suggest cutting pay or benefits for our military and b) John McCain is a Navy viet nam veteran. He is also a former POW. He's got as many rights to his opinion as just about anyone else.
McCain…,McCain…,McCain, What do we do with you. This is someone who above all should know what it means to be retired military. Oh wait, that's right he's a millionaire in his own right and why should he care, that's because he doesn't. What should all of us military retirees in his constituency do, VOTE HIM OUT! He is passed his time and new blood is needed now. This appears to be the sentiment throughout both houses of Congress in respect to military retiree benefits, and it is no longer a sacred cow but a target to reduce the deficit at our expense and their glory.
Now we know why the establishment backed this fraud in 2008. He thinks the way it does. He has done very little in protecting the benefits of our military personnel over his many years as a Senator. We are stucked with this dead weight until 2014 when his @s is up for re-election. The people of Arizona get what they deserve especially if you voted for him and are retired or coming up on retiring.
I'm military of 22+yrs. Serving in the Koren War and rhe Vietnam war, what a shame senator McCain has gotten so high and mity that he just wan;t to make sure he get;s coverage in full plus no cut;s in pay or benefits,Shame on you Senator McCain. You,re the last person in the world I expected to let us down.
If a GOP wins the 2012 election them we military should demand that McCain should show us the way by having congress strip him of all pay and allowance and cut his congress pay by 99.9 % and send the war monger who has got a lot of GI 's killed for his Iraq and Afghan Lobby. Demand congress send McCain and his rich wife unless she divorces him to Afghan ASAP
I spent 30yrs in the U. S. Army , McCain you “sucks”, again it’s about the haves and the have-nots, $200 dollars to McCain and the other filthy rich politicians it’s no biggie. Hell he can’t even keep up with how many houses they own. The American people need to get their heads in the game and see what these “Fat cats” politicians are doing to the work class and our seniors. I say Vote the bastards out.
WHAT ?????? You got to be kidding me. This is A SELL OUT! luckydog1
i am surely happy he wasn't elected president.he is a back kisser to obama.the people should throw him out now before his term is up. he is really a disappointment to all military personnel and all the American people.
My,y, my! Now we have some bi-partisan haters.
I, have be.en down river before But, That was Viet Nam.
Seems a shame that McCain,as a former military person, feels compelled to express his seemingly unsolicited and rather pathetic views regarding military retiree entitlements. While I absolutely respect his behavior and leadership while a prisoner of the North Vietnamese barbarians, I find this latest behavior unnecessary support for an administration that has yet to display leadership or respect for the military at any level.
I guess the dems will only be happy when their military-hating, gun-banning, and socially/politically-correct rantings are thrust down the throat of every real American. Is it 1/1/2012 yet?
I agree. I am the widow of a retired naval officer and I agree with you.
You need to do your history. He was the only POW to cave in to the NV.
so true, in fact I expected better participation on his behalf being military n prisioner of war
what would you expect from the only POW to claim hero status.
i served in korea and the fat cats served in washington making more in a month
than i made in a year with my life on the line every day and it the same as usual
the rich gets richer and the working stiff pays for it…
What ever happen to, If you serve 20 years or more you get free mendical care for life? That's what I was told when I enlisted in 1954.
like all the fat cats in wash. they all take care of them self.there is no compson for all the hardships the familys indure. hav all the politicans covered by the same retirement rulles and other benefits
It seems normal for Obama to start pushing more and more to cut out the Members of the Military's Quality of Life living. It never fails that the first thing to be cut from spending is the military benefits as well as social security benefits.
Now that members of the government want to start increasing our payments for medical coverages, where is the extra money coming to cover these costs. We sure are not getting any COLA's for them to be able to do this. I am in the same boat as many of you out there, as a Tricare for Life and Social Security recipient, I don't have any way to obtain extra income. How does the government expect us to live? We can only be squeezed so far, before we completely stop paying for any of our other obligations. Us of a IRA/Retirement account, simple there is not one any more. They went several years ago. I really hope, that the 2012 elections reflect our countries needs and elect our government that will do something for the people.
I like that comment,since it resemblels my status today
How unfair can this be.
Many courageous men gave their best for this country and were told they would have a retirement and medical.
$ 200.00 is a lot for seniors on a fixed income.
If the people apppreciate my husbands 26 years of service and many others
who gave the best years of their lives, then tell the President and the Congress they should be ashamed, to ask more, after they gave their best
for this country.
A PROUD AIR FORCE WIFE
Ditto from me
I SUPPORT MC CAIN'S IMMEDIATE RETIREMENT, WITHOUT MILITAY BENEFITS.
FURTHER, I AM ALL FOR A 90% TAX ON CONGRESSIONAL PENSIONS.
THEIR ALL MILLIONAIRES AND DON'T NEED THAT PENSION.
I do not agree that there should be any type of changes to the Military Benefits currently in place. If a Man or Woman chooses to serve 20 years or more in our Military it should be appreciated and gratitute shown in the form of Full Retirement.
I feel that changing the system could drastically affect retention rates as well as new enlistments. This is the wrong answer. I agree with Al1 lets cut congresses pay. The have never earned the Salaries they have.
we spent our sweat, guts and blood,and a "War Hero" wants to cut our benifits. MR Mc Cain you are a descrace to the militry people before you and after you. i pray to GOD you DONOT run for president again. i a sure you i will bring this up to voters again if you do. i will show you what ONE MAN/ONE VET can do to screw your election bid. in fact i would not vote for you if i lived in az. again . you are a discrase to your country and the uniform you must have forgotten you wore///////////
Senator???? McCain?????
Every time one of these smarter than us reps. visit a veterens group of any kind and cannot answer a question with an honest answer without all the political talk around nonanswers they are so well known for and THEN open their PIE WHOLE to thank us for our service and the great job we do, LET’S answer them by turning our backs to them as they do to us. Their ACTIONS againest us speak much louder than the so called PATS on the BACK or was that a STAB IN THE BACK I FELT and MY POCKET BEING PICKED
Thats what I get for 20. 1964-1984 Thanks for the promises being KEPT.
You never said we would have to pay for our own FREE HEALTH CARE, What about our continuing retainer (RET.) pay never loosing value?????? Wasn’t that the money and free medical we were promised for accepting a lesser pay for our service and long hours, a lot of those work days were 12 to 24 hours long, sometimes streaching to 48-36 at the time of our country’s need. Do You all remember some of those streaches.
NUFF SAID, GOING TO THE POLLS AND CASTING MY VOTE. HOPE I can find an HONEST person to apply that vote to, I only have one.
When we went into the military, Uncle Sam made up promises about giving him 20 years plus and he would give retired pay, medical, base privileges, etc. for life. Now they are thinking of ways to take those privileges away and not have to honor their commitment to our military personnel who gave so freely. Did anyone notice the price of medications has gone up – High end is now $12.00 vice $9.00. I could go on and on about how our military benefits have slowly been eroded but I think you all know. Lets hope the next time we vote for our elected officials we really get to know them and make them come clean as to why they want to be our spokeman and what they plan to accomplish.
Do you have a contract or anything in writing that promises you these benefits? I would think not because they would say it verbally but not give it in writing because then it would be a contract that is binding. So as for many of us there is not way to state a claim to promised benefits. Legal Eagle
another option would be for McCain's plan to afect only new retirees….That's right make new retirees pay for their medical….cut the pay of new enlistees …cut the retirement pay of new retirees….IN FACT WHY NOT JUST CUT OUT THE MILITARY AND ALL RETIREES…..THEN CUT OUT THE GOVERNMENT AND LET IRAN TAKE OVER……OR BETTER YET JUST FIRE MCCAIN AT THE PLOLLS!!!!!!
I wonder what else that endorsement by McCain cost us. I can not stand any more of these raises.
Cut pay and benefits for every politician in Washington. maybe they should carry a rifle and an 80 pound ruck. let them serve in the dark and dangerous places around the world. You think John McCain would have a little compassion for his "Brothers in Arms" what will happen if we continue to erode benefits for the people who step up and defend this country and its people.Maybe John McCain can't remember the horror he spent in a vietnamese prison camp.I respect his service ,but not the politician he turned into. Do you remenber what the Spartans said…."Remember Us"
The people on the hill always want to cut spendinding in all areas except the ones that affect them. I am so tired of cuts coming from the the retired military, medicare, social security and so on and so on. I think it's time to get some cuts from their butts and cut their pay to the working man's wage and take their no cost insurance away that has no deductible and no out of pocket expenses and put it in the wind. Just think how much money would be saved and just maybe the people that need what little bit they get would be left alone.
I was drafted in 1969 and completed two years active duty. Had a 13 year break in service and entered the reserves in 1986. Mobilized for 18 months from 2003 thru 2004. Retired five years ago and am still working my civilian job. Turned 65 in July and signed up for Midicare. My employer medical coverage was costing $120.00 per month for my wife and I. Tri-Care forces me to pick up Medicare part B to keep Tricare. Medicare part B (mandated to keep Tricare) is costing $161.50 for me and an additional $161.50 for my wife (65) monthly. Now McCain wants to initiate and additional $200 annulal fee for Tricare for Life. I agree, how can we force elected officials to be subject ot the same retirement,(Social Sec. & Medicare) and see how fast it straightens out.
When my husband joined there was many promises made and broken every year almost we saw changes to our benefits and they are still changing….Served 26 years and now they kick us to the curb…because they don't need us any more…well well well..doesn't surprise me any …As long as they are receiving their benefits and living high off the hog why the heck should they care about the ones who served and are still serving…SHAME on YOU MCCAIN you call yourself a patriot…what a JOKE
Thanks for nothing McCain
Do away with obama, mcain is no friend two the milatary, he dont give a dam about the serves membersk, lets do away with all medical and retirment for all sentors and congress men.
McCain, Go to a place where the sun never shines and rot in HELL. Arizona: Wake the hell up and smell the coffee! You are sending your trash to Washington, DC to represent you.
As a retired military person with 28 years of active service it seems like all of my benefits will be cut on the reccomended advice of a few officials in Congress. Now Sen McCain would have me to pay for TRICARE for life now that I have reached the age that I can get this benefit. As I see it we are already paying for this benefit since we have to have part B of Medicare ($96 dollars a month) before we can have TRICARE for life. Anybody can figure out that I have to pay $1152 a year to have TRICARE for life.
Now on another subject, I would like to address pay raises. In the past 3 years the retired persons have not gotten any pay raises on retired pay but I hve had to pay more taxes out of my retired pay. Not only that but my Social Security pay has stayed the same for the past 2 years. Pay for disabled military has not jncreased in the past 2 years. But on the other hand Crongressmen gets a pay raise whether anyone else does or not. They voted their pay increase would be automatic every year. I would like to have a job where I could vote for my own pay raises. Why should they continue to be paid for life after 1 term in office?
that's why i never voted for you.
Its sad the military has to fight 2 wars all the time, the one overseas and the one at home. While defending the free world back in the states politican strike behind their back by taking promise back while padding themselves
I am a working age retiree who is unable to work… I am currently fighting (had to hire a lawyer to take 25+% of winnings) for disability. I gave the best 20 years of my life to our great (but quickly deteriorating) country so that my kids might be able to enjoy some freedom. As I see it, we are quickly becoming more and more socialist and less and less democratic. No matter who we put in office, they are pressured to join the status quo and not listen to their constituents request to stop cutting the little guy!! If these A$$holes actually had our best interest at heart, they would not accept half of the hundreds of thousands of dollars that they get paid to sit on their butt and tell us what is best for us and our country. Personally, I say fire the whole lot of them and vote in NON professional politicians and once again make this a country for the people, by the people. Right now I see it as for the Professional politician, by the professional politician and to HELL with everybody else!!
Biily continues on comment.
Why should Congress be allowed to vote to have their childrens student loans forgiven while my child and everyone else's child has to struggle to repay their loans which can amount to so much money that they will never be able to repay? I have instructed my child to stop repaying until children of Congressmen start paying !!
THE COST OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD BE QUESTIONED NOT THE COST OF THE PEOPLE WHO SACREFICE TO PROTECT THEM. eNOUGH THERE PAY SHOLD BE CUT SEEING HOW THE PRODUCE NOTHEING ANDTHEY SHPOULD HAVE TO UTILIZE THE SAME MEDICAL CARE WE DO..I SERVED 28YRS FOR MINE THEY GET TO DO IT ONCE AND THERE SET ….EXSCUSE ME TIME FOR A CHANGE…..SMSGT C.HOLMES USAF RET
Let those politicians put on the uniforms and fight for our country to earn their keep, let them experience the hardship and sacrifice, we put our lives on the line and voted for the right person to fight for us, but felt betrayed. If they need more people to augment the personnel to fight for our country? draft those worthless politicians who at a drop of the hat will pull the funding for our hard working troops, I served my time in the military with so little to support my family, I have finished honorably, serve my country with blood and tears and sacrifice, how about you Mr Liberal Politician?
I am an 81 year old retired veteran who greatly needs the free medical care that I was promised. My wife is a stroke victim and life is extremely difficult for us. I guess we need another McAuther to appear to sweep myself and other needy veterans into the garbage heap now that our services are no longer needed or appreciated.
I agree with most of these comments. I thought McCain was a friend to servicemen. Congress should have to have the same health and retirement benefits at the average person. (No wonder people are seeking offices in Congress. You get great benefits for doing nothing!) Also, how many people in Congress have served in the military in some form???
with everyone in the whitehouse trying to ballance the budget and talking about all the cuts that need to be made they first need to look at the gov'erments salery and cut there retirement.this would help us all a bunch
How about adding the US military services, their retirees and wounded warriors to the list of those whom in the past have seen fit to bail out and they do not put their lives on the line for their country! More seriously, those of us who do and have served are extremely disappointed in how easily some in Congress and the White House look at us as an easy target for budget cuts. I suspect that all of you seem to overlook that we make also happen to make up a significant voting block and can very seriously impact YOUR future service to the country. From his comments, it is probably time for John McCain to try something else as he not longer seems to represent US anymore. Don’t cut our benefits or raise fee now when we are on fixed incomes. We earned them though our sacrifices.
McCain – you should be ashamed of yourself!. My husband (veteran of WW2, Korea and Vietnam) was promised health care for both he and I for the rest of our lives. We didn't realize we'd be switched over to Medicare when we reached 65 and lose important health care benefits (hearing aids, eye glasses, dental care). We didn't expect to have to pay for anything but, of course, Part B fees are taken from our SS checks before we get them. The Government tried to make it right when they offered us Tricare for Life a few years ago and even indicated they MIGHT give us back all the Part B fees we'd paid plus any supplementary insurance fees we may have sustained since retiring from the Navy/Air Force. BIG JOKE! Instead of keeping that promise you are looking for ways to get out of even more obligations. If we have to take cuts CONGRESS SHOULD HAVE TO TAKE PERSONAL CUTS TOO!
McCain- you just loss my vote!
and we wonder…just why SENIORS, unable to get a job, using up all their savings for the welfare of their children, ( cause the costs of living have substancially increased- beyond common sense and logic), are STRESSED to a MIND SITE of SUICIDE…. AFTER all the years of hard work and surviving the tolls of GOVERNMENT LIES and DECEIT, along wih BIG BUSINESS..PRESSURING…HIGHER PRICES for THEIR GOODS MADE OVERSEAS.. and the SAME PARTIES…CHANGING LAWS and STANDARDS mid stream… """NO WONDER WE FEELS LIKE WE'RE FALLING OFF THE CLIFF OF TRUTHFULLNESS, ETHICS< MORALITY, and NORMARCY?????
Why would anyone be surprised that our government leaders would want to take away our benefits? I was drafted into the army and from day one I was beset with attempts to get me to reenlist and make a career in the military. I was promised many things, among them FREE medical care for me and my dependants for the rest of my life and annual COLA so that my retirement would not be destroyed by inflation. We all know what has become of these promises made by our wonderful politicians, most of whom did'nt serve in the military. In my 21 years of active duty, I spent a lot of time living in sub-standard housing and eating sub-standard food. My pay was always sub-standard. Why can't they just wait until I die before they screw me any farther?
Anyone have Sen Mc Cains E-Mail address? Viet Nam didn't kill him but the Beltway did! Retired USN.. $174,000 FOR LIFE Give me a break!
Sen McCain's contact web form is down on his .gov site. Figures…
http://www.mccain.senate.gov
241 Russell Senate office bldg
Washington, DC 20510
202-228-2235 FAX 202-228-2862
I WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANY INCUMBENT regardless what party PERIOD. Little by little they cut and reduce OUR benefits while increasing their own benefits. I am begining to believe McCain suffered more mental disorder while at th Hilton than has been recognized till now, that said with all due respect. MSgt USAF Ret RVN 65 & 68
The government always will cut and run from their promises and responsibility. They look to cut the military benefits but never would consider cutting government departments, downsize their own beurocracy, or cut their own salaries. Do you see how much they project they will save screwing the military: $111 billion over 10 years! They spend that much on their pet-projects everyday! WTF?
I deeply love Arizona, but can you please fire mccain?? Damn RINO!!!
we all have to watch who we put in office,look at McCain when he was running for office the vet's that were talking about mccain would not be a good president,looks like they were right good thing he did not make to the white house,i have talk to some from Air Force about mccain not good
We the Military of the United States are losing benefits
United States Goverment has never kept a peace treaty
United States Goverment speaks with forked tongue
it's we the Goverment for our benefits not our Military or working folks
I joined the military and was promised to be taken care of even after I got out as a vet. The promise was even better it was said that if I contracted a disease or a sickness while in the military I would be forever taken care of (no charge). this was SS. I am a Vietnam Veteran and have 3 diseases from Vietnam because of Agent Orange. I cannot be compensated for these diseases because I didn't set foot in Vietnam. I am getting medicine for these diseases but I can't work. Now I hear they are going o cut medicare and social security. Will a .03 per cent raise take care of what I will lose?
mccain you are anavocate for these wars,but don' give a damn about a soldier when he retires.
Don't forget that Mc..was in the military too, but was smart enough to get himself in congress. Maybe he should have stayed as a prisoner in Vietnam instead. Government keeps looking for more cuts, but no one is talking about how to grow our economy and bring more income to our GDP. Are congressman in need of going back to college and earn a degree in business..??? Is the Corp's fault by giving our jobs overseas…Shame for them for taking on the military – retires and the active duties that will suffer even worse in the future…
Hey McCain, you should be ashamed of yourself, the military has been through hell for this country with back to backs to the sand box, improper helmit gear and poor armor plate and you, along with Obama and the Democrats want to cut the benefits. Let's mention the higher than civilian divorce rate and suicide, limbs lost, head injuries, post tramic stress. Shame on you Loser and all who support this outrageous selfish tactic.
I wonder how much the government would save if they would have to pay for their insurance. They have the best insurance that you can get, and doen't pay a penny for it, we pay for it. Thegovernment keep giving themselves pay raises, while they cut our benifits
http://www.mccain.senate.gov
241 Russell Senate office bldg
Washington, DC 20510
202-228-2235 FAX 202-228-2862
Get rid of the foriegn aid and you can balance the budget without stealing from the veteran. You are supporting the bastards that are killing innocent people.
Ned Vigil, TN
Why is it that the DC douche bags get to make decisions aboput our lives when they can't make decisions about their own lives. The US Gov. is the most corrupt gov in the entire world. They lie, cheat, steal, murder, while sacrificing the lives of others and then want to take from Vets. Vets are the only gov employees that deserve "any" benefits.
McCain is a phoney whose father was/is a big deal (Admiral) in DC. McCain who received notarity after having broke down after being tortured in Viet Nam. I am not faulting him for breaking down, but many others received the same treatment and worse and never once did what McCain did. Who are they and what are their names?
Thanks for our service Washington; you BA_ _ _ _ _ _
Retired Air Force and Vietnam Veteran twice. Also cancer survivor thanks to Agent Orange. So much hope for the young troops today.
How about we start looking at making CUTS to the Congressional retirement and all of the rich corrupt pigs in the political system? OH WAIT that will effect THEM and not EVERYONE ELSE. F–K this I am glad I am not staying in for 20 now just to be back stabbed when I retire
whats the deal? McCain, above all people should realize and what the Veterans are going through, and be on the side of all Veterans, what a turn Coat? Theres is no way he will get my vote if and when he decides to run for prez! Is he any relation to obama?
Now that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan seems to be coming to an end or at least scaling back, our esteemed leaders seem to go the usual route of forgetting those who were blessed to remain alive. I am a retiree and a veteran of the Viet Nam conflict. My advice to any aspiring young person is to avoid the military and seek a career with the Congress so that he/she can determine his/her own fate. Maybe, then our esteemed leaders can decide who will protect this country.
Congress cut your pay and benefits down to the military retirement of an E-7 and this includes all aspects,medical same as all of the retired military.McCain please get your donkey off your shoulders and get it back where it belongs,in your pants.Guess we need our benefits cut so you and the other congressmen/women can can get their retirement.Can someone please tell me who designed the current system for the congress,bet it was a greedy ba—-d.
Again McCain is confused—his father would be disappointed in his son—
VOTE MCCAIN OUT!!!
Express you opinions to him!!! His phone number is supposedly (202) 224-2235, and his fax number is supposedly (202) 228-2862.
His website is supposed to be: http://mccain.senator.gov/public/index.cfm>
Bombard him with your concerns and opinions!!!
I think it is high time that all ex-service members start protesting in Washington DC, we are always the ones that take it in the shorts. Call your senator and congressman and tell them you oppose the oreo's plan and also vote McCain out.
I said it before, I'll say it again…If one hasn't served in the Military, especially in combat… I don't want him or her as my leader…If They haven't fought for this country willingly then I DO question their love of their fellow Americans…..and by the way I have the right to Free speech and my own beliefs… This old Sarge Earned them………….. Semper Fi
Sure……..he's got his military retirement along with his guaranteed retirement package from the Senate. What does he care about the rest of us. I'm retired from the military and all we hear lately is less benefits and more taxes. McCain along with the rest of the Washington elites should return most of their Congressional salaries and leave us alone for once. They are overpaid and underworked anyway. I'm from Arizona and also a Republican……….but McCain makes me sick when he does things like this.
McCain was the worse choice the republican party has made for a presidentail candidate. The ticket should have read Palen/McCain.
So its ok for congress to put themselves in for a automatic raise every year, while the military retired members have not seen a raise in 3 yrs? Whats wrong with this picture? Oh wait I know. We are talking about people that get to make big decisions and do not care about the little people. As long as their fat pockets are lined who gives a crap about us! For one year I would like to see ALL of congress live with their GREAT decisions that they have put on all of us. Our medical, our wages, our raises and retirement, oh and they have to serve in the military for that year also. Do as we do and then lets see how comfy they think it is! WHAT A JOKE!
McCain is a turn coat,did he forget what happen in Viet Nam? What the blank
is wrong with this so called veteran, I put in 23 plus years in the Air Force and
I still do not get my full retirement pay.I served my time in Nam and I was one of the lucky ones that came back with only agent orange and Diabetes.
I don't know how McCain can turn his back on us and hurt us like this.
he did the same to get early release while a Prisoner of war
He can because he is a lair and a turncoat. I wish McCAIN and OBAMA would get on that fancy bus Obama had build for him so he could travel around the country begging for his job and take a fast one way trip to hell
Vote for more Republicans, they are on our side—N O T !!!
Sure, He don't use Medicare or Tricare so why does he care about the little retired military person. He should have to depend as we do for awhile. _CPO retired USN
: He is a Jackass not an Republican.
They will need to reinstate the draft or get blackwater to fight their wars.
Well like i have always said our goverment hates the vets. We serve our country and this is how they repay us. Well someone voted him back in office i know for a fact i voted against him. MACAIN U BETTER NOT SHOW YOUR FACE IN ARIZONA BECAUSE US VETS HAVE A BONE TO PICK WITH YOUR OLD SINAL ASS.
Bro, I'm glad I don't live in Az because Mr. M would not receive my vote. He's forgotten what it means to be a proud Vet. and a true Republican.
JW ('Nam '68-'69 – Desert Storm '91)
sfc kelly i do not believe that the government have the nerve to cut our benefits, after all that we have been through. day after day we put our life on the line. when we retire after 20 years we only get half or 50% of our base pay why can't we atleast recieve our full base pay which is a lot less than what congress gets, after 4 years of offices.i am sick and tired of the government always cutting our benefits. why they won't pay us 350,000 a year.
How about cutting your own retirenent benefits. From the President on down
We need everyone to tell DC to take a pay cut. AND tell them NO when they vote for their own pay raise.
They need to cut the Vet Benifits so that they can continue to pay unemployment to the lazy for two years, and feed the crack heads via food stamps. It is just about time to try and succeed from the union again.
SAD!!
Well, here we go again Brother and Sister veteran, our so call leaders (Dems and Rinos) screwing us as usual. We they screw up and get us into war they want us but as soon as we are done fighting they throw us out with the dirty water. (I'm trying to be civilized and now us language that is unbecoming a gentleman. I wonder how long they would have their jobs if there was no military. I think a few of them would be stood up against a wall and ………….. (You know what I mean!). GOD BLESS THE USA! and ALL OUR VETERANS PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE AND MAY HE PROTECT THEM ALL!
In 2012 Beat Washington With A Cain…..
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO MCCAIN? HE IS SET FOR LIFE WHY MUST HE TRY AND DEPRIVE US NOW WHEN TIMES ARE SO BAD AND PRICES ARE SO HIGH FOR EVERY ONE AND NONE OF US GET THE BENEFITS WE WERE PROMISED WHEN WE RE-UPED TIME AFTER TIME, AND LEFT OUR FAMILIES TO SERVE OUR COUNTRY WITH PRIDE.
He has always thrown the vets under the bus. Do some research on him over the years….Can you spell RINO!!!!
Typical Senator. If they had to live the same lives we live, he wouldn't fell like that. Anyone that would agree with Obama on anything is an IDIOT!!!! We need to vote out all the current Congress and put some people in there that are willing to make some laws that do apply to everyone including them. How much money would it save if the Congress or President ddn't get their full salaries after they left office and they were put on the same health care systems as us??????? I bet they would think before they voted/spoke then.
Sen. McCain: I believe that in addition to your pay as a Senator, for which you will be richly rewarded when you retire, you also receive retirement from the military and benefits you receive since you were a POW. How can you deny veterans their due, both in retirement benefits and medical considerations, such as tricare and tricare for life. This is the time of life when they can lease afford, cuts or losotwrightses.
Somehow the end of my comment was garbled. It should ene with the word "losses"
Lets march on DC this coming Veterans Day!!
OK SENATOR, YOU MUST MAKE THE SAME CUTS TO YOUR INCOME AND ALL OF CONGRESS FOR THAT MATTER TO INCLUDE YOUR HEALTH CARE AND RETIREMENT. IF ITS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE MILITARY ITS GOOD ENOUGH FOR CONGRESS!!
Please remember what our elected officials including the pres when it comes time to vote. We have earned everything we served for and now the non vets and some vets what to take them away. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE "VOTE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think senility may be setting in on Senator McCain. Apparently he's forgotten about the "contract" which was in force when he was in the military, which promised "free" medical benefits for military retirees and their dependents for life. Too bad he can't remember his days in uniform. Maybe if we had a Senator's retirement benefits to fall back on we'd forget too! He should be ashamed of himself!
Gee, go figure that Senator McCain would turn his back on veterans. The old codger should hang up his spurs and go back to AZ to retire. He's no friend of the military if he makes this kind of proposal. I'm a working-age person with a severe service-connected back condition that makes it impossible to work. Where do I fit in if he says I can't get prime? Another broken promise from our government. They got us into this mess and now McCain wants to put this on the backs of veterans? No way!
Salary of retired US Presidents ………….$180,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of House / Senate Members……..$174,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of Speaker of the House ………….$223,500 FOR LIFE
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders…..$193,400 FOR LIFE
Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN $38,000
I think we found where the cuts should be made!
If you agree…RE-POST!!!.
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AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!! REMEBER YOU HEARD IT FROM ME FIRST,
AT ELECTION TIME WATCH THE FLIP FLOPS.
I believe we should get every incumbent out of office and vote in the people in that will actually do what the people want. They should have to use the same medical we do and receive the same retirement that we get. Personally I wouldn’t pour water in any of their ears if their lame brains were on fire!!!
McCain needs to get his nose out of Obama’s a_ _ and fight for the many vets that helped get him in office.
SALARIES – Keep this one going….
Salary of retired US Presidents ………….$180,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of House / Senate Members……..$174,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of Speaker of the House ………….$223,500 FOR LIFE
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders…..$193,400 FOR LIFE
Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN $38,000
I think we found where the cuts should be made!
If you agree…RE-POST!!!.
Amen, brother! Is it not ironic those who are supposed to be representing the people only represent those who lobby them and their own self interest.
Here's a thought; term limits for all public servants, e.g. Congress, Judges, appointees, especially Supreme Court Judges. I'm all for flat taxes without loopholes, no lobbyist allowed in the halls of Congress.
Here is a novel idea, all Congressmen/women must use the Federal Civil Service retirement plan and health plans like all civil servants below the rank of Congress.
Silly me I forget they are Princes and Princesses.
I AGREE WITH STEVE S. WE SERVED UNDER UNDESIREABLE CONDITONS. THE CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN AND SENATORS SERVE WITH PLEASURE. I DEFINETLY AGREE WITH STEVE S.
I like this Dan you are right the politicians still get paid and retired military only get half of our pay. SMH
Earl retired army.
I realize that senators, Congressmen and woman are better people than us. At least they think so but we feel our military pensions should be brought closer together. I think we can save plenty of money for our deficits by increasing the amount of time served for senators and congress before they can retire. And let us scrutinize the amounts a little bit. No harms meant to our good leaders but I think all pensions should be evaluated and meaningful rules be adopted.
Please stop reposting this falsehood. Posting false information again and again does NOT make it real. That's the Gohring Big Lie – say a lie often enough and it will be real.
Falsehood…what do you mean??
The retirement plan for congressmen is the same as any other federal employee. This post about them getting paid their full salary for life is false. Ignorance is not going to help anyone if they plan to complain to their representative with false info.
Unfortunately, you are wrong. The 535 receive the same amount for life even if they only serve one term in office. Congress has provided for itself programs in retirement, healthcare, security and so on that the general public will never enjoy.
I agree 100%. If all vets will work toward changing the direction that our
ELECTED politicians are pushing this country, I'm sure that change will happen. Just make sure that we have a better plan to put in play with elected officals to support that will put our country ahead of their. own
SELFSERVING INTERESTS
GRM USMC/USA (Ret)
Amen !!! – Thanks Dan
you deng straight Dano. it's easy pickins… yeah take the money from all of them from all living former and retired congressperson, everyone of them, and see how fast we can balance the budget… they vote themselves pay raise that not one of us can object to.. is that fair? hell no it ain't. butthey surely can cut ours…. let's put their salaries on the chopping block too, more-ons?
I agree with retiree below. Though i agree with a complete change-out of Congress you need to make sure you post FACTS not falsehoods, that just keep the lies rolling and the bitterness worse than need be. Your "for life" postings are totally incorrect and just a tiny bit of Googling would confirm that. i hope people are smart enough to confirm the facts rather than blindly follow. Blindly following is what got us here with Obama in the first place.
You are right! The Salary for the Presidents, Senate member, ect…. needs to be changed. If they do one term they get a paycheck on the American people for the rest of their life. While a military retirees put in 20 years or more of their life and get peanuts. They do it because they believe in the USA. What do the ELECTED politicians believe in? MONEY!!!!!! They’re not for the people anymore. Send them home and let real peoples run the country that care about keeping the American's FREE and live up to the constitution of the United States of America!!! That what the service member fight for.
us vets our strong if we use our votes and do get these congress and senators out of office and have there sla
ry broght down limit term and get reride of lobbist because this is buying there support for them not for good of people
I totally agree . I think its call government greed .
Dan I agree with you totally. They look at everybody's pocket but their own. Maybe we should figure out a way to get into the next discussion with some of these politicians that are constantly screaming about military cuts. The question we need to ask "Why aren't you will to cut your retirement pay and benefits. You are the government, you should set the example, be willing to give up the same things you are asking those of us who put our life on the line so you can sit up in DC and make the decisions about who and what pay benefits should be cut." I guess it's more important to be willing to sit on your behind and send people off to war than it is to actually put on a uniform and fight that war. They want the freedoms and liberties that goes along with why we put that uniform on, but after you take the uniform off you are no longer important.
people of America UNITE. This coming year we have the chance to really change America. We have the chance to VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT.
Remember it's not keeping your REP/SEN, it's VOTE THEM ALL OUT>
Remember the health care you were promised. That went out with Clinton in 1993. I found out when I turned 65. That was in 03.
YEA!!! FINALLY SOMEONE POSTED THE NUMBERS WHERE THE CUTS SOULD BE MADE. LET HEM TRY TO LIVE ON OUR INCOME, MY HUSBAND IS A RETIRED 20 YR. DISABLED VET. PLUS HE RETIRED FROM A MINING COMPANY WITH 25YRS OF SERVICE. BOTH PENSIONS WE GET LESS THAN $35000 PER YEAR. LET THEM LIVE ON THAT FOR A WHILE.
I can not believe that some one with the military background and being a POW would actually do something like this to the rest of the military. They are going to keep going and will end up with no one wanting to enlist or reenlist in the military and then what are they (congress and the white house) going to do when the enemy start coming ashore on both coasts and over the borders of Canada and Mexico???? I just wish that they would think about what they are doing before opening their mouths and inserting foot. None of those jerks are going to take a pay cut on any of their monies or benefits.. So let us keep a strong military and take care of the ones who have served proudly… How about it, Obama and Congress, are you listening?????
We are wondering what Sarah Palin now thinks about the Senator from Arizona? Might be the reason she decided not to run for the top post in 2012 and she may wish to disassociate herself and the Tea Party from any ties with the McCain machine. She hit the nail right on "true public servants to office." Please go to http://www.sarahpac.com/ and read for yourself. By the way our troops are now headed for more action in a new continent and Afghanistan pales by comparison. Someone has to pay "the ultimate price" and our military will obviously lead the way. Another war looms on the horizon that will far outlast all previous and the death toll will continue to sky rocket. More body bags and more sealed coffins are the order of the day.
Right! And I voted for this guy 3 years ago!? I'm really surprised and TRULY DISAPPOINTED!! What's my next move? Guess I need to run for federal office.
Senator McCain has completely lost sight of what undoubtedly got him into politics…his military time, his time as a Vietnam POW, and those military both active and retired who supported him wholeheartedly! He obviously is financially set and lives with the illusion that every military retiree and their families are equally as financially set. Shame, shame, shame!
GOOD EVENING,
WHOM EVER CALLED MCCAIN AN OLD CODGER, I LOVED IT AND I AM STILL LAUGHING OUT LOUD!!!
DID YOU ALL THINK HE WOULD DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT?????????
HE IS AS TREACHOROUS AS THE REST OF THE BASTARDS, WHO ARE WILLING TO SACRIFICE THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HONORABLY SERVED OUR COUNTRY. BUT LOOK OUT FOR THE FLIPFLOP AT ELECTION TIME!!! REMEBER YOU HEARD IT FROM ME FIRST.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!
I want to see a cut in the senate and congress benifits of the same % that Tri care for life is cut . all the ****** in Washington should be cut the same . it is all tax money and should be treated the same. this would be fine with me .
Ureal C Enfinger
The question is how do we start looking at the retirement packages and health benefits of the members of Congress? Who is willing to take our case to Washington? If you know, please post it so we reitrees can support him or her.
salary for retired pres. $180,000 for life // house/senete $174,000//speaker of the house $223,500 for life//adverage pay fo rsolider$ 38,000 and the want to cut our earned comp.
What the heck s going on with our elected officials. They seem to have all that they want Pull the AMERICAN out of these hell holes that they have stuck us in. We enlisted to defend our country. After we served every place the goverment told us to with no questions. They said pick up your duffle bag and ruck sack and get your TANK on the ship and move to the airport once again NO QUESTIONS ASKED we just did what we enlisted to do. DEFEND THE GOOD OLD USA any time any place. All we asked for was what the RECRUITER and MEPS told us RETIRE and your medical and dental will be taken care of for life. Now we pay for TRICARE and dental lets try a class action LAW suite for back pay and benifets. Why is it that most others who collect a pension get COLA to offset the cost of living each year. Lets TRY THIS any takers.
Sure. How do we go about setting up a class action suit? Do we need a petition? RT
1SG Retired Lou S.
Spend 27 years in and did what was asked of me. Went when told and stayed longer than I should have in places. First came in I was told stay in and retire you wil always have medical and dental will be taken care of for life, like you I pay for both now. I can't work now due to PCSD/PTSD. I still have to fight VA for all I should be getting. I think we the people should just go in and take the WH and Congress back , FOR THE PEOPLE!!! I have fought for them now I will fight agaisnt them!!1
Hay TOP I understand the VA is slow at best. 100% and they still want to cut our benifets. WE THE PEOPLE Give so much for so little.
Of course, none of these SOBs want to change THEIR retirement and health benefits….hell, they can serve only four years and get their entire salary for life. I think the changes need to start with McCain and his retirement and medical and go through the rest of the so-called representation.
I knew McCain was a turncoat years ago when he came to Naval Air station Jacksonville Florida to talk to the Sailors and Marines at hanger 1000 back in the early 2000's. He made a comment about how nice the airplanes looked and all the nice new cars and trucks parked outside the hanger which belonged to the Sailors and Marines attending McCain's rally. McCain's comment was odd to me and made me wonder why he would say such a thing. He also commented on the old beater he used to drive around when he was in the Navy and how the Sailors and Marines of today have it made. I knew then he was showing his colors of envy towards all of those young men and women who were standing before him. I think McCain is delusional and is not in touch with our nation's military. Not everyone can be a senator like him. His actions and thoughts towards our nations veterans are displaced and arrogant.
If McCain said he was driving an old beater around, he was most likely lying. His father and grandfather were both 4-star admirals and he is an Annapolis graduate. An old beater to him must have been a 2 year old corvette.
We the people should vote on this not the government..Enough of this government crap.get them out of office..lets start with that military traitor Mc Cain..he should be for the military not against it..I can see he didn't learn anything being a prisoner too bad!
McCain is a real RINO. Yes – let's cut him out of congress. He'll still get his senator full pay for life and complete free medical care. On top of that, he's getting military retirement pay as a Navy captain. His father and grandfather were both 4-star admirals. He's not striving to get by in life. His wealth he owes to the American taxpayers and voters. And I used to think that anybody who wants to serve in congress must have first served in the military. McCain sure makes me re-think that. Arizona – WAKE UP get rid of McCain. He ain't right. The communist must have impaired his mind there in Hanoi.
Unfortunately, I think he's a Republican, not a RINO. RINOs often vote in more progressive fashion. He's supporting the Republican line all the way. Those who have (as he does) shouldn't have to give up anything. And those who have not, well, they just need to suck it up. . . right?
Who the hell does this IDIOT think he is ?? Yeah, the slopeheads may have smacked him up some but he got his reward; FULL DISABILITY and MEDICAL for life. We need to ship his senial ass back for a secdond stay and tell them hes "No Deposit/No Return this time around – WHAT A F —— IDIOT THIS GUY IS !!!!!!
Sir, maybe you forgot what you have gotten form US Gov/VA for being a POW. Would you and your fellow Senate and Congress take the cuts first and lead the way???? Guess not so it is time to put up or shut up.
At least everyone should send the old coot a message telling him how shameful his actions are.
FELLOW VETS, WE CAN POST COMMENTS ALL DAY BUT UNTIL WE UNITE AND VOTE SOME NEW FACES IN WASHINGTON WE ARE SPINNING OUR WHEELS. WE MUST ALL STICK TOGETHER IN 2012.
I agree, enough tslk. Time to do something.
RETIRED
AGREED!!!
I agree! I retired in 2005 with so many promises that seem to be being broken daily. Don't know about you but the cost of living seems to be rising but my pay seems to be decreasing. Doesn't make sense to me. All politicians including the president need to take a pay cut, pay for medical, pay for housing, etc. Maybe then they would experience what we go through trying to make ends meet and deal with broken promises!
We are just following what Greece is doing. Just get rid of Obama and his cronies and CUT spending. POLITICS= "Who Gets What"
USN RETIRED
That statement is made every election cycle but guess how many of the same faces appear at the beginning of every congress???? mccain,ried schumer,durbin,jackson,franks and the list goes on and on. mccain has worn out his honor as a pow by selling out our active duty,vets,reserve,national guard now that he's sucked all the money he can from the government. I've always thought he was hollow and didn't have true honor to this country. Donald R. Hohman CWO (RET) USA POW
Ok first you try to take away military pay and naw there benefits. So when did the US tern into a communist country? I only have 2 questions so how do they plan on getting people to stay in the military and are your shur its really wise to piss of are armed forces.
I do agree with the above, I think that Mr. McCain and the other politicans should cutting there own benefits and that includes the so President.
It would good if our elected officals and I mean all of them would stop giving our MONEY (Economic Aid) to other countries that cant make it on there own. Our so called elected officals better get there head out of there ASS, it's not there money to give away, it's our money not just theres.
(Remember, when it's time to to Vote )
manchurian candidate
The promised GI benefits were not taken after my discharge because I was too busy being an airman's wife and mother of three. But not to worry, as a career airman's family we had a future promised even if said airman had to work another job to make ends meet.
After retirement, new careers were critical to our well being for both of us. Now as a widow, thank- the-powers-that-be for Tricare, the airmen's pension, and an small pension of my own I still have a future–or do I?
Iam a retired Army Enlisted man, I served more than 20 Years for my little pension, I understand that congressman and senators only need to serve for one term and then they can receive a gov. pension for life, one that makes mine look pretty small. , and they dont get shot at. seems a little unfair, maybe they should have to serve 20 Years first and then receive the same pension as the military
Like I said, republicans are thinking about cuts, here, cuts there….
As far as I'm concerned, it's unfortunate he wasn't one of the ones who didn't make it out of the hanoi hilton. The sooner we get this ungrateful POS out of office, the better. They certainly messed up his brain, but they should have finished the job!
Sure Senator John McCain is OK with cuts to military benefits, after all, his father, Admiral John McCain was one of the Admirals who allowed the slaughter of the 34 U.S. Navy sailors on board the USS Liberty back in June 1967, when the Israelis launched an unprovoked attack by sea and air on the Liberty which nearly had her sunk. The Liberty was an unarmed intelligence gathering ship which was in International waters when Israel was involved in their seven day war against Egypt. They also wounded over 140 other sailors on board the Liberty. Just another of many False Flag attacks in hopes of getting the U.S. Military involved in their wars, just like 9/11. Senator McCain is a fraud!
Thank you vonokin, I was unaware of McCain's father's involvement with the horrific attack on the USS Liberty. I have never forgiven the Israeli's, or the Dept of Navy for their lack of support when the Liberty was attacked. I had always liked McCain even though he is Republican, I guess the sins of the father should not be transferred to the son, but now I will give him a jaunticed eye, when viewing his Senate decisions. I am distressed over his current decision I do know that. Widow of a deceased CTOC.
McCain remember what you ask for, it's an ALL volunteer service that is NOW keeping you and YOUR family safe. Most of us have known for years that your no friend of the Vets.
SALARIES – Keep this one going….
Salary of retired US Presidents ………….$180,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of House / Senate Members……..$174,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of Speaker of the House ………….$223,500 FOR LIFE
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders…..$193,400 FOR LIFE
Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN $38,000
I think we found where the cuts should be made!
If you agree…RE-POST!!!.
Read more: http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2011/10/mcc…
MilitaryAdvantage.Military.com
McCain, YOU JUST LOST MY VOTE. All you that read this, do what I did last night. Post the below message onto McCain's "contact form" at …
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAct…
YOU JUST LOST MY VOTE!!! For your traitorous actions and your willingness to abandon the retirees of the United States Military with your support of President Obama’s proposal to start charging military retirees for TRICARE.
I am an enlisted retiree and getting a small pension and working another job just to make ends meet. I surely agree that why take from us retiree, why not from Washington D.C. after all, they get the lifetime pension when they leave office. What happen to the promise American made to their servicemen and women. And the thousands of veterans who serve and defend this country. Is this what we get for serving honorably. We did not create this deficit. It's the leaders in congress who created this mess. So now, we the middle class has to suffer. Thanks a lot Senator McCain and those who supported this proposal. Take a look at the following:
SALARIES – Keep this one going….
Salary of retired US Presidents ………….$180,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of House / Senate Members……..$174,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of Speaker of the House ………….$223,500 FOR LIFE
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders…..$193,400 FOR LIFE
Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN $38,000
I think we found where the cuts should be made!
If you agree…RE-POST!!!.
Read more: http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2011/10/mcc…
MilitaryAdvantage.Military.com
Please see the many other posts showing this to be a falsehood. Specifically, Congress is under FERS, and does NOT get retirement for life. After they serve 20 years, they can collect at age 50, but that's the earliest they can collect. Normally they can't collect until age 62, and they can't collect anything at any time until they serve a minimum of 5 years.
Well Maybe So, but it does not change the facts, they can afford more cuts than the veterans can. The fact is we elect them serve us, like we served them, its a doublecross by them. Another Fact, Vets are the highest uemployed group in the nation, our pension for the ones that retire, is all some us have. Fact Veterans that kept the promise. Most if not all politicians can write books, give paid speeches and other income, that veterans dont have. Veterans also have the highest homeless rate, and sucide rate is climbing.
McCain, your nothing but a HYPOCRITE. You don't serve the people, you serve the politicians like yourself. Remember who's over there fighting the war right now, young men and women. Go ahead, tell them they can retire but you won't get any benefits now or in the futher. I hope you sleep well at night knowing this. Your not even worth calling a senator.
McCain, your UNINFORMED WELL PAID CONGRESSMAN WITH HEALTH CARE BENEFITS , there are a LOT of towns that do NOT take ANYTHING BUT Tricare Prime. They do NOT TAKE TRICARE STANDARD.
So before you go MOUTHING off on a subject of which you apparently have insufficient information, get out of politics. You are taking up space and money.
well, well, where do u start? obvious cain was never a shipmate. he's taking what's entitled 2 him as long as he's taken care of financially & medical 4 life through the Government/ VA. he's more like a check valve, (1-way flow). ALL GREED & SELFISHNESS all 2 himself. he forgotten where he came from 2 b elected into congress well suppose 2 help the people of USA, (u would think, so). funny, that people who treat others, ( people of the United States of America & all Retired Military personnel) really bad it will all come back 2 u in 1k folds, (u can fantasize good or bad wishes). what goes around comes around jus the way life goes. u do it 4 the people of the USA or self greed. nuff said. we all jus want what's best 4 our family. laytahs, ken
Isn't John Mccain a retired Navy Captain drawing a retirement check and benefits? He will get benefits from serving in the senate, he's got plenty of money and doesn't care about the little guy out here. I hope AZ votes him out of office.
Yes, We live in not so good times, John McCain gives a lot of his money to the VA Hosp and VA centers here in AZ, and his wife money is in the millions. I belive that he does more than most due for the Vet's and he would just like to get cost under control, they are Some Vet's that have been recieving more money than they should have gotten, you would think that those Vet's would stand-up and say HEY you are paying to much, but I see more and More thinking that they owe me. No one owes us anything, we make our chosses every day, so if you are getting $1 to what ever just think about the hunderds of Vet's living on the street or the 1 million childern that go hunngry every night in the good old USA and thing then stop and answer the question, "What can I do to help". For my self I buy a few cases of bottle water and pakage nuts and drop off to the homeless center each week, you need to understand that I am 100% disable and do wirh out things to make this happen, the 3.7% will help buy more water. Remembr we are all in this together from rich to poor.
Is this everyones first election? Have you not been here before? It doesn't matter what party you follow, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, and Tea Partiers. It is all about them and their families and friends. Making their rich buddies richer and keeping their children/grandchildren out of the military so they can get into an elite college of their choice. I wish we could file a law suit against congress members and senators to restrict their pay and benefits. Oh wait…It would only end up in the US Supreme Court where our politicians decide who is apointed and who is marked off the list. Can anyone say lost cause and helpless?
OK McCain. Yes you are a American Herol. At least you use to be before you turned on the troops. Shame on you. I only wish I had the opportunity to vote for you. I would refuse to vote at all if I had to vote for you. You have commited treason when you turn your back on the only reason you are free. I guess you are one of the Washington elite now and don't remember where you came from. Have a nice day, H. W. Dilllard, MSgt, USAF retired.
Maybe its time to get Divorced so no one will get a servivor bennie and then take my own life so that our gov. can save that much more money and not have to worry about medical cost either. Is that what they are trying to do to us. Oh, let me opt out of receiving a grave marker or the little bit SS is willing to contribute for my passing. Why would I want to accept a tribute to my service that holds no meaning to our so called leaders.
NO I WOULD NOT GIVE YOU THE PLEASURE OF HAVING ONE LESS CHECK TO SEND OUT. I WILL SEE YOU AT THE VOTING BOOTH AND DO MY BEST TO PICK THE RIGHT CANIDATE, ONE THAT WILL HONOR THE PROMISES THAT WERE MADE AND WE THAT SERVED EXPECT TO BE KEPT.
I AM A PROUD USAF RET. E-6, "SAC" AND "MAC" TRAINED. 1964-1984.
AN AIRCRAFT MAINTAINER, WHO WAS ALWAYS CONCERNED FOR THE SAFTY OF MY FLIGHT CREWS, MAKING SURE THEY HAD A SAFE WEAPON SYSTEM TO FLY.
you know guys if I were President the very first thing I would do is get rid of the free trade agreement and then I would charge like a 100% tariff on all USA companies foreign made products made out side of this country to be sold here in the USA for a larger profit. No I would not ever bow down to any king of any country on this planet like the DUMBASS did to the Saudi King and there would be no other country EVER think they could get over on the USA like the Iranians have. I would not police the world either unless it was to defend our countries interest I would not listen to any group of people like the Green Piece or any thing else. I would build a oil pipe line from Canada where the oil fields are and pump the oil to the refineries in the south or have some built in the north I would most def. open up the oil field in Alaska and off shore in the eastern United States I am using a friends computer and his login information so I am sorry for his name on here. I would put the National Guard on the border and I would cut the pension in have for all government officials like congressmen,senator they would have to be reelected for 20 years before they could draw any pension and any US company doing business like making products out side of the United States and think that we the tax payer will hand them any money is wrong it will never happen if i was president Iran would never have gotten so far advanced with their nuclear buildings I would have done took them out and brought their scientist over here to work with our scientist
Senator McCain, I used to respect you…. key words being "used to".
Elected officials should only be allow to serve four years in washington no more shame on you McCain, McCain it time to go home and go fishing
Hey did you all hear that McCain wants to give money to help the wounded Lybians while slashing U.S. Military benefits? My wife said to me, "Is McCain losing his mind?" I just shook my head because I can't believe what he is doing either. This Senator should be ashamed of himself for his stance vs. U.S. Veterans. He should be at least pushing for equal or higher cuts to Congressional benefits, but he isn't, NOONE in Congress says a peep about cutting their own benefits. What a bunch of loser hypocrites. Vote 'em all out. We need strong, young U.S. Military Veterans to run for Congress and protect the Military as a whole. We are the ones who sacrificed the most for this Nation under God. We deserve some consideration for that. Cut foreign aid, cut aid to lazy slugs in the U.S. Civilian World who never did a thing for the Nation. Cut out the huge money grants to Red China (I just read about this crap a day or 2 ago) while we owe them trillions. Unite and stand together fellow Vets. We don't want the Military benefits to change and let the recently retired Vets keep Tricare Prime for cryin' out loud!
Dave,
It is just a sorry state of affairs, when our own elected officials only few veterans left in our govenrment. Wants to cut the benefits less than 1% of this county's citzens stands up for them. There should be nothing to expensive for our sacrafice. iIdo not remember the other 99% of this country willing to stand on line to protect the freedoms they all take foregranted. Without our scarafice they would not enjoy. It just hurts my heart as a 5th generation Solider.
We are not united, that is the problem with all of us Vets. We can/t set aside our party lines for the benefit of all vets. So stop with the rhetoric and say something more beneficial. And we will all die and never see us vote as a block, and by then who will care? Keep talking and you will see nothing happen because we still support the party candidate instead of the qualified candidate..
Really! Anyone that supports this, I strongly suggest strap a gun on your back, ride a ship for 7 months and pick sand and dirt out of your boots for a year or two and spend the next twenty years doing what you can to help your country so when you retiree we the people can take it away from you! Oh, excuse me, I forgot whom, I was dealing with. You would rather sit on your
butt and tell us little people what we can have and can't have while we pay your salary and your retirement for life and your health benefits for life through our military hospitals. McCain has joined the rest of snakes in Washington which is shocking considering he is has always supported us.
I regret ever voting for you! You has lost my vote!
i can't believe that mccain a former vet is asking the heroes of this country to pay $200.00 for enrollment in tricare for life as we earned that for serving for our country. whats the deal doesn't serving and protecting this country from others that want to bury us isn't worth anything. if you mccain wants to cut money to pay for what they got this country into then they need to pay by cutting their salery . whats this country coming to . the way i see it that the ones who run this country and gets us in so much dept that they need to look elsewhere. it seems that every time those people in washington gets us in dept they go to tri care and medicare and this needs to stop. as a vet mcain should be ashamed of himself he married into a rich family so why should he care about military personel and seniors of this country. i only have one thing to say to mccain and that is GO TO HELL.
John McCain What a shame !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To whom it may concern….oh wait…that would be Sen. McKain, members of the House and Senate. You know not what you do when you strike at the heart of those that keep you, your families and the rest of the country free. The more you take from us, the less likely you are to have a job after 2012. Are you listening?…probably not. It's time to vote the incumbants out and vote some new blood in, with one proviso…we the people of the United States, reserve the right to terminate "your" position forthwith in the event you fail to uphold the soverign duties of the "job" you were hired for. That would look good as the 28th Amendment to the Constitution. Think about it people.
Time to fire all of them and rebuild as Americans!
I live in Arizona and have seen McCain change his mind on issues affecting the state, first he is for and then when his chikn shyt career is in jeopardy the swings the other way. What the hell does he card, I have never seen him line up at the VA Hospital clinics for anything. I doubt that he uses Tricare at all, because they have a cushy medical plan, so why bother. I have lost all respect for him, POW or not.. he is just another fat azzzz deep pocketed politician. Are you aware that his wife is an heiress to a huge company, Sara Lee, and a millionairess to boot. So why would he care about you and your measly 200 bucks a year you have to pay for TFL. He has worn out his welcome as the hero, and certainly the politico. Dump him I say, but you keep putting his old worn out azzz back in the Senate. So now, put your money where your mouth is…I am sure that someone promised hm some special thing for him to turn yellow tail on us and betray. I hope you read this McCain, and know that you are now just another loser politician who has you in their pocket.
I DON'T THINK ANY PERSON EXCEPT HIS RELATIVES THINK OF HIM AS A HONORABLE MAN ANYMORE. HE SERVES AS AN IRRATION AND A NUISANCE TO THE PEOPLE OF UNTIED STATES. HEY, ANY HIPOCRIT CAN DO THAT AND THAT HIPOCRIT DOES NOT COST AS MUCH AS HIS SALARY, PENSION, PERKS AND SOME MORE. THEN THAT WILL BE ENOUGH FOR THE SAVINGS THAT HE SAID CAN BE TAKEN TO MY HUSBAND'S FELLOW VETERAN–23 YEARS- NOT A DAY WASTED. SHAME ON ME % MY HUSBAND, WE VOTED FOR YOU. YIKESSSSS.
John McCain is no longer a hero to most of us; HIS WIFE WILL KEEP HIM
FED, CLOTHED AND ANYTHING ELSE HE NEEDS,. He fancied himself as quite a playboy in his younger years, and now he is trying to play with my benefits; He still trieds to trade on his time as a POW; I am sorry about his capitivity, but I think he did some questionable things there toono– it is time for himto retire as he will no longer have the respect of the veterans–who can believe anything he says anymore, but I agree that he needs to get his nose out of Obama's butt !!!!!
For every re-election, cut off one finger. When there are no more to wave with, he or she gets retired…. at 10 per cent of what was made.McCain, you went through hell, but daddy and grandpa greased the skids for you and made sure you rose to the top. Time for your fingers to go.
I am a DAV rated at 100%. I also have lived in AZ for the last 6 years. I never voted for this guy because I knew he is not honorable. And he just displayed it by not fighting for the veterans cause. Every single time I get a letter from Social Security and the VA, I always dread it because of all the talks about the government cutting back. I rely on my checks every month for mortgage and other bills. I hate to say it, but those senators and representatives are living quite well, compared to me, a soldier who gave his all only to lose a lot of things.
my son votes in Arizona, he is also military, McCain is not going to get that vote under any circumstance.
In 09 didn't the good people of Arizona have the opportunity to get rid of McCain then? Why didn't they take that opportunity? Did they feel sorry for him because he lost the election as President to the dimwit we have now? Did the people of Arizona honestly believe he was one of us, you know, Americans? He has betrayed this country in so many ways, it is unbelievable. The reason he was a mediocre candidate as president was and is because he is a mediocre Senator. Sarah Palin saved his sorry Ass when she became his running mate. unfortunately, she had to support him in his run for President. Remember the media touting he was too old to be President and that if he Died in office, Sarah Palin would then be President, Oh, how frightful that might have been. Isn't the Presidential term only 4 years? But gee, somehow, McCain was old enough to withstand becoming Senator again for 6 years and reelected, what a year or two after the Presidential race. Hmm, can anyone do the math? Why be President, when you can make a great living for Life being a mediocre, liberal oops I mean pretend conservative, Senator.
Salary of retired US Presidents ………….$180,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of House / Senate Members……..$174,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of Speaker of the House ………….$223,500 FOR LIFE
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders…..$193,400 FOR LIFE
Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN $38,000
I think we found where the cuts should be made!
Read more: http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2011/10/mcc…
MilitaryAdvantage.Military.com
this dipstick needs to retire. he's getting very sinile. He's better days are gone and way been over. get him out of there. it does not affect his golden fleece retirement anyway, why should he care?
After 26 years in service currently on my second tour to Iraq in three years, I blame the Active Component Leadership prosecuting this war spending millions of $ unnecessarily.. The current regime has been hedging bets with taxpayer funds by prolonging decisions, transitioning their HQs all over the battelfield, two or three times, spending vast amounts of transportation and construction funds resetting up their repsective command and control operations. In addition, we spend millions of dollars in “contract” work that are inherently military or could be effected via troop labor. It costs on average $37/ plate to feed a troop per meal for example. We are paying $250K / year for one contract maintainer maintaining UAV’s; multiply that by however many contractors there are in theater. We are paying security forces $80-100 K year to check ID cards and swing open gates at entry / exit points. These are justa few examples of the myriad of abuse perpetuated by the Active component. Yes I am also upset that personal benefits keep eroding for those who serve, but its the people’s fault to keep voting these same members to Congess at every election.
Actually you need to check your facts a bit more. We might be paying some of those idiotic salaries for some ppl overseas but not in the US. That needs to be pointed out. There is no way we are paying $37 a per plate per person to feed anyone. Civilian guards range from GS-05 to GS-07 for the most part with some supervisors in the GS-09 to 11 range. Those salaries are public information. While even some of the UAV maintainers make more than I do the majority make no where near the quarter million you say.
RAH you’re a little forgiving about the numbers. JWC is only looking at the civil service side of things and not addressing the contracts which is really the cost problems. Every one of us guys that put in his time knows where lumber for building ,tools, even parts for operational equipment is buried on some base. Been going on for years, since the 1950’s that I know of and the sad thing it still goes on. I’ll never forget the time I was chewed out for saving a little money for squadron preparations, yet every time the country starting in the 70’s, when the country ask for cuts in government spending. Where did they go to first. It was our pay! Remember when they separated the ongoing federal pay raises with congress? Our pay was set up with inflation. And the retirees was even set, at half of that. While congress gave themselves a rise. It is overdue, that we started doing what is right. Let’s take back the country mine and your brothers have died for. And vote these money grubbing people out that would try to hurt us
MCCAIN,,,,THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE
I SUPPORT THE IDEA , THAT MORE VETERANS RUN FOR CONGRESS, GET THE UPPERHAND , IN BOTH SENATE & HOUSE OF REP, AND TURN THIS COUNTRY AROUND, THERE IS PLENTY OF VETS OUT THEIR THAT COULD DO IT, START A 3RD PARTY OF VETS , RUN ALL OF THESE OTHER FOLKS OUT OF OFFICE , THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE VETS IN CHARGE , DRAWING ALL THE BIG BUCKS , THE WAY IT SHOULD BE!!
wildpakrat
HOOAH!!!!!!!!!!!
Do we hear any member of congress telling us what cuts in salary and benefits they will impose on themselves? I haven't. Although we earned and deserve much more than they do, I settle for exactly what they vote for themselves. Go Army.
McCain stabed the Military in the back, I disagree with McCain on this issue.
And to think I voted for McCain…. What a douche bag!!!!
wonder what that reason was?
So why not cut congressman or any political health care and see if they can make it on their large salary. Most people; like me can not take out health insurance from place of employment because we make small salary that we can barely live off on each year. To be able to have Tricare Prime is a blessings for me. I feel I have put in my time in the military as a spouse and gone through hardship and worry about family and war. WE deserve that "benefit" for putting in our time and keeping home safe while war is going on. Why do you think it will cut dollars for the military; what you are going to be doing is cause more millions of retirees to have no health coverage; because we won't be able to afford the outside deductibles and expesnes. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING>>>>>>> surely you are NOT supporting the people of this great nation.
This should be a crime. What are they going to do with Vets, we already have the highest unemployment rate, We are still at War, future veterans and past are even now being asked burden the National Debt, we did not create it, Lawmakers did. Please look somewhere else for the money. Please is there anyone that can save us? McCain is a TRADER to all.
If it wasn't for us in the Military Non of congress could sit up in those big offices and make those rediculous decisions. If they keep cutting from the Military they will not have one then see what happens McCain and all of the rest will be working for another country.
They are already working for another country. What country on this palnet allows public SERVANTS TO DICTATE living conditions for the masses while they live in comparative luxury at the peoples expense. 23 years in the military taught me that congress in general is nothing more that a body of selfe serving crooks. They absolutely do not do the PEOPLES business. They are there for one reason only, to put as much of our money as they can in their pockets as fast as is humanly possible.
The best thing we could do to help the economy is revise the salaries for the folks in Congress. Why is it when cut are to be made it is always made on the backs of the veterans who gave life and limb for the that freedoms we all enjoy. When the military men and women are called on to defend our country in time of need we seem to have the moral suppport from the vampires in Congress however, when it comes to taking care of us when its all over our benefits are thrown on the table like a crap game in the ally. The next time this country is at war I suggest that the folks in congress pick up a weapon and head for the front lines lines. … Why don't we put the SALARY FOR LIFE cuts on the table the same time we cut the benefits for the military men and women who defended this country in time of need. We are in a sad state and soon the all voluntary force will be a memory of the past.
REALLY, Are You SERIOUS…. Mccain doesn't even have a CLUE….. He NEEDS TO GET OUT OF OFFICE! ! !
That is really sad! What a piece of sh.. he is! Yeah, let's screw over the <1% of the U.S. population that actually does an honest 12-18 hour day for 20 years that doesn't get killed and survives to live to retirement and not die from all the crap they have been exposed to. Yeah, great fu..king plan!!
Let's all hope that there is no support for this proposal in the Congress and or the Senate
I believe like Pres. Obama, Sen McCain is on the way out. of Washington by peoples' choice
You would think that a POW would be one person we wouldn't have to convince that we, the retired military, deserve our benifits. You never see congress or the Senate taking a cut in pay or benefits. We the retired should vote everyone in office out. Make sure your voice is heard at election time!
Salary of retired US Presidents ………….$180,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of House / Senate Members……..$174,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of Speaker of the House ………….$223,500 FOR LIFE
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders…..$193,400 FOR LIFE
Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN $38,000
I think we found where the cuts should be made!
If you agree…RE-POST!!!. Also these are the ones that most of them may not have servered not even one term in the military. Let them try to lead by cutting their own pay and benifits first. It want happen, all they do is to keep getting more into their own back pocket.
Read more: http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2011/10/mcc…
MilitaryAdvantage.Military.com
Salary of retired US Presidents ………….$180,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of House / Senate Members……..$174,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of Speaker of the House ………….$223,500 FOR LIFE
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders…..$193,400 FOR LIFE
Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN $38,000
I think we found where the cuts should be made!
Read more: http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2011/10/mcc…
MilitaryAdvantage.Military.com
He has nothing to worry about, he is not going to be under OBAMA CARE, but we will be, HUH, sounds a little hypocritical this insurance plan is good enough for the people but not for congress, NOW he is onboard with slashing OUR PROMISED BENEFITS!!! What is all this NOISE about getting "more in line with the civilian sector,with 401Ks ect, Last I knew the MAJORITY of the civilian did NOT "Write a blank check for our country up to and including our very LIVES!!!!!!" Warren
Well I can tell you are not a federal employee, it don't work like that, not even for ES. If you really want to know, it's public knowledge…google it. But the real problem is, a lot of people are gullible enough to believe what you wrote.
The way to fairly address entitlements is to draw a line in the sand, and then implement the cost saving measures with future employees. The government must honor it's committments to those that made career decisions to continue serving based on the promise of earned retirement benefits (pension/medical, etc). McCain should know this. Shame on him. I think most retirees would support a modest increase in Tricare premiums given the current cost of comparable insurance. I know I would, even though Tricare for retirees isn't all that great to start with. The best thing about it now is that it's cheap. Current retirees and career servicemen have earned the right to access Tricare and stripping it from us is an unforgivable breach of contract. It would also remove yet another incentive to serving to retirement, creating a huge retention problem. We'll need the draft reinstated if this trend keeps up, and to throw us in with the rest of the country under the uncertainty of Obamacare is unacceptable after the public service we've all given.
McCain needs to get a new job working at a service station. And I voted for the boy.
I thought Obama-care wanted everyone to have health insurance – now he want to take it away from veterans -does not sound right to me.
ANY CHANGES NON-FAVORABLE TO PAST AND PRESENT MILITARY SHOULD NOT AFFECT THEM.
Other changes they may feel are better for them they should have the option.
I can support changes to the current system – changes such as:
Any soldier serving in a combat zone should be entittled to tri-care when they
seperate.
After serving 10 years they should be eligible for Tri-care for themself and their
family when they seperate.
Tricare should never cost more than 4% of their highest 3 year base pay.
Military should have TSP with matching funds: 2% first 5 years, 2.5% from 5 to 10 years, then 3% therafter. Reduce Retirement pay to 25%.
MATCHING TSP FUNDS YES! RAISE MILITARY RETIREMENT TO 75%. ALL IN WASHINGTON SHOULD ONLY RECEIVE THE 25%! WHERE IS YOUR HEAD! YOU HAVE NEVER SERVED AND DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! DON'T KNOW WHAT WE GO THRU!!!!!!! YOU'RE REALLY NIEVE!!!!!
It looks like Uncle John has lost touch with the troops.
Maybe all those 'little blue pills' have hardened more than his winkie.
Salary of retired US Presidents ………….$180,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of House / Senate Members……..$174,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of Speaker of the House ………….$223,500 FOR LIFE
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders…..$193,400 FOR LIFE
Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN $38,000
If you want to cut or charge more for benefits, why not cut the salaries listed above before cutting/changing the individuals that put their life on the line for your freedom. A lot of vets cannot afford annual fee for something that we suppose to be getting free.
I'm not sure there's enough information in the above story to make the type of comments I've read from others. First, $200/yr is about $16/month – not much for medical coverage. Second, it stated that
"McCain urged the supercommittee to consider restricting working-age military retirees and their dependents from enrolling in TRICARE Prime. " not the president. The article is too vague and i think the readers should read the entire Healthcare Plan before making comments like the ones above.
Veterans that put there life on the line do so for many reasons. Shouldn't one of those reasons be that "every American should have free medical care"?
There is no such thing as "FREE" , and as citizens of the greatest nation in the history of the world we are "ENTITLED" to what we produce and earn as individual citizens. Who pays for "FREE", the 49% of citizens who currently pay income taxes. We have now reached the point as a nation that 49% of us are supporting the life styles of the 51%, this is not sustainable. The government cannot take enough away in taxes from the few to support the many. We need to start teaching personal responsibility at birth. As a military retiree, I have NEVER received free health care, I have paid a premium every month/year since I retired for mine and my husbands health care.
that is a $200 enrollment fee, not the monthly payment….so then you get to pay a monthly fee beyond that $200
No!!!!!! The reason for the military is NOT free medical care for everyone. You must not have ever served in the military. This article is not about $16 per mo., it is about the breaking of a contract by the government and the eroding of benefits the retired veterans are facing.
Learn how to spell and I might pay attention to your comments.
NO, servicemen/women do not put there lives on the line so others can freeload…they do it so others can actually be free to WORK. Your comment is a prime example of how wrong things are viewed in this country. GIVING hand-outs…like free medical to all, fixes nothing! How about this, why is medical so expensive…because the fees associated with medical services/goods are high…why are these fees so high…because the insurance they have to carry is extremely high…why is the insurance so high…because a doctor can be sued for breaking someones rib while they were saving their life…why can they do that…becasue this country is becoming the "Land of the Freeloaders" and our government systems allow these freeloaders to do such things.
You want everyone to get medical, fix the legal system, which will lower insurance premiums and allow employers to actually supply insurance plans. The only thing that these folks will have to do is get a job…I Don't take from those who make this country what it is, take away from freeloaders who feed of the many systems put in place which allow them to be freeloaders…and dont' make another system for the freeloaders to also have medical…they already live for free by leaching off of society ! Better yet, if these freeloaders want what the military gets…how about doing something for this country and enlist. Then they'll get "all these great benifits", but that would require them to actually do something.
How about a National Health Insurance System.? Everybody pays $100 a month and they're covered.
You can have any damn thing you want if you just get RID of the current system.
NO!!!! Every American has not earned it…yet.
what does anyone expect from this man?? He does sneaky traiterous crap all the time, this is the man who did want the US govt to look for POW's after the Vietnam War, in fact he did all he could to ensure it would happen. His father not only did NOTHING whlle Israel attacked the USS Liberty he helped cover it up afterwards…it was NOT a case of mistaken identity as Israel would love us all to believe, it was intentional and is still being covered up today. I think McCain is an arrogant peice of garbage who is where he is ONLY because of his daddy. He is a typical "establishment" puke, he makes me sick.
His daddy and the fact that he got luck enough to marry RICH.
There is a lot of "McCAIN SAID" in this article, make me think a lot of this is his own ideals. It's third part information at best, it other words, it's hear say. Raising the fees for TRI-CARE for life, and cutting bennies for VETS are two different things. Besides, President's can't RAISE tri-care fees, nor can they cut bennies, not even republican President's, congress does, they are the legislators. The last time I checked, McCain is apart of Congress. However, President's can only approve it, if he thinks it's fair, or not, it's called a VETO.
"There is no excuse for stupidy, and in todays environment, there is no excuse for ignorance either"
Leaders should lead from the front and set the example. Retirement in most businesses is based on time on the job, pay level, and performance, and the company's profitability. Our leaderrs should have been the first to take cuts in salaries and retirement, and their retirement should be the same as the rest of us – based on time served, etc, and including Social Security, TSP/401k, and other investments. A tour in Congress netting a lifetime retirement? no way! Only the Supreme Court is protected against pay cuts by the Constitution.
I agree, the legislature should be taking the first cuts. They are doing the same things the bailed-out banking industry did.
Please go to the Senate website and look up Congressional Retirement. Here's a hint- it's SS and Federal Employees Retirement system, same as us. NOT lifetime after 1 term.
Oh, and the Legislature and President are protected from pay changes (the Legislative one was the most recent Amendment to the Constitution – their pay cannot be changed until after an election)
Bob….Obama is the one proposing these cuts; McCain is simply agreeing with him. It's all for popularity. Integrity, which has always been low in D.C. anyway, is at an all time record decline. I believe we need a complete flushing of the city. Let the congress fight the wars from now on, see if there are any cuts.
Mark,
It doesn't matter who initially said, the point is that as a veteran himself, John McCain would agree to the nonsense. If congress and senate doesn't pass it, it won't go through. It's just that simple.
Those clowns in DC need to know that all Americans are Okay with cutting Congressional benefits before touching the military's benefits.
I am really upset how the retirement pay is affected because somebody made a mistake and now people like myself have earned the right to be where we are and to get it taken away due to someone highter screw up. As vets we have earned these rights this should start from the top and in office they dont have to do 20 years or more of service just 4 to 5 years and that is a bunch of crap.
Their retirement is based on how long they are in service. Find out the facts before you start posting half truths.
can you imagine if he had won the highestoffice in the land. i voted for him also, but it seems now, it's all about cutting the ones who've given their all. from my time in Vietnam to my sons time is Irag, we will never forget. it is time we started getting more for the time we gave and the sacrifices we made. we need to kick all them out and impose limits on serving in those seats…
Yes kick the all out and never let them back!
Whether this story is true or not, congressmen are all to ready to touch other's benefits before their own and they have the power to do it. They are pretty much untouchable other than voting them out and that takes a concerted effort to do that. They have ruined our economy and will not stop until they have taken everything from the taxpayer, even our pensions.
I see that you fully understand…
McCain needs to put out to pasture. His mind sounds like he has been converted to the Obama's lawyer assocation!
There is volumes that could be spoken about promises made to veterans/retirees, where cuts should be made, the lack of integrity of politicians…. We all see it, but after thinking about this I am left with a complete sense of disgust for those in D.C.
Vote my Brother & Sisters….
The Military have paid the prices for freedom and only 1% of the US have serve or will every serve. Mr McCxxx and most of Congress has lost all contact with the ground pounders (Soldiers). You cannot believe a word that comes out their mouths. The Salary of SENATE/CONGRESS needs to be cut in half, and they need to do 20 years in the government to get 50% of their pay, and they need to pay taxes like the rest of us. Last thing they need to pay for their own transportation, security, and heath care….. Look at the money we can save by doing this. The United States House of Representatives is one of the two Houses of the United States Congress. In the US there are 100 senators and 435 members of the House of Representatives (total number of voting representatives is fixed by law at 435). The US could save over 46 Million a year just by cutting their salary in half just in one year, and over 460 Million in 10 years. If we make them pay for their own transportation like the rest of the US we could double this saving. Why is it the blue collar worker and Military paying the price for a FAT OVERWIGHT Government? All pay raised to Congress should be voted on by the peolpe of the US not by them !!!!!!!
I totatly agree with it…Its about time all of the SENATORS/CONGRESSMEN
should spend at least 20 years of service and receive there benefits
after they reach the age of 65 like the did to the military vets.
1. After 20 years of paying into their retirement plan, they are eligible to collect 34% at age 50. Military can retire at any age after 20 years, with 50%.
Oh, and they pay taxes, SS, pay for their health care, buy their cars, etc.
Folks, please concentrate on factual arguments – that we have paid for our benefits through 20+ years of service to the country, that, even though there was no written promise, there was an understanding, and that we Retirees are NOT retired – we are paid for reduced duty – we can be recalled.
Salary of retired US Presidents ………….$180,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of House / Senate Members……..$174,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of Speaker of the House ………….$223,500 FOR LIFE
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders…..$193,400 FOR LIFE
Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN $38,000
It is very disturbing to me that from the moment our Congress and President started slashing our budget crisis not one time do I recall that our electeed members began by looking at their own benefits, salaries, and allowed budgets. They need to look into their own back door before any of our military benefits are considered. In fact…SHAME ON ALL WHO WOULD EVEN CONSIDER SUCH CUTS. They seem to take their positions and freedom for granted forgetting about those who haven given their life and serve in our military and keep them safe!
1. Would people QUIT posting this false information? You're not helping the cause. Anyone who goes to Congress and complains, based on the above false information, WHICH THEY KNOW TO BE FALSE, will then be ignored. Politely, but ignored.
2. Congress has cut their own costs, and has had a pay freeze for themselves for the last two years.
3. Personnel budget for DOD: $200 billion. Congressional Personnel Costs: $1.8 billion (that includes Senators, Representatives, and their staffers)
Current Deficit: over $1 trillion. Do the math.
Divide that DOD budget by how many millions of troops, contractors, and DoD civilians? How many staffers and politicians do we divide that $1.8 billion by? I'm quite sure the pay for Congress is still higher than the average soldier. The benefits are even better than the military! I don't think I've ever heard of a poor Congressman or one on food stamps. I have heard of some soldiers and countless veterans that are or have been on food stamps, the military should be treated better. Getting rid of benefits is not a good thing. If anything, get rid of some of the contractors and you'll save a lot.
You apparently failed to grasp my point – it doesn't matter the pay. If we have a $1 trillion dollar deficit, cutting the ENTIRE cost of Congress cuts the deficit 0.18%. Yep, about 2/10 of a percent. Cutting the DoD personnel budget 1% cuts the same amount. Cutting the personnel budget of DoD 10% cuts 2% of the deficit – and you can cut 10%, but you can't cut Congress's budget 10 times.
I'm not advocating a 10% cut to the Personnel budget, I am advocating being realistic – anyone who thinks DoD (#3 item in the Federal Budget, #1 item in the Discretionary part of the budget) isn't going to get cut is dreaming. Rather than screaming "DON'T CUT DON'T CUT" and offering no suggestions, but instead telling them to solve the problem by tweaking something that AT BEST saves 0.18%, we need to be fighting to ensure the cuts minimize impact, and are no more than necessary. The alternative is to lumped in with all the other whiners who show up at his office.
Thankfully MOAA and the other Military Associations know this – that's why they don't yell at the Congressman to fix his "RETIRE FOR LIFE" pension.
If the government would get rid of that "use or loose" budget mentality, that can save tons of cash!
When I was in the Army over in Germany, I was told to spend $30,000 in a few days for JUST MY SECTION. My platoon had 3 sections in it, with mine having the lowest budget. I had to order stuff I knew would get tossed out after the new budget went into effect, just so we would have the same budget.
With that in mind, lets say each government entity that has a budget had to spend, say, $2,000 before October to keep their budget the same. How much is wasted due to the "use or loose" budget policy?
If they would change that, and just keep the budgets limits the same, they could save a whole lot of cash by not spending all of it. Total budget = $200 mil. Total spent (after tossing out the "use or loose" policy) = $110 mil. That means all the less to borrow, and if need be, the savings can then be redirected into paying off other debt.
Soooo, there is something WRONG with telling Congress to lower their base where they CAN understand what it is like for the poor man….you can slick talk the protection game all you want…I and Many others know if Congress had to live by our rules those rules would be a LOT different…..so when we go whine in their office this will be a discussion point wheather Some think its appropriate or not!
1. Please look up the Congressional Accountability Act of 1995 – they do live under the same rules as the rest of America.
2. My argument, which apparently is NOT getting through, is we need to quit spreading false stories. Again, if you go into a Congressman, tell him it's unfair to us because of his "retirement for life" – a statement HE KNOWS TO BE FALSE – what do you think he will think of the rest of your argument? Most likely the circular file. Even worse, if several veterans go in, make the same KNOWN TO BE FALSE argument, guess what? Yep, "Oh, the veterans are just whiners who don't even bother getting the facts right. Politely thank them, then let's move on to the serious discussions."
Instead of spreading false information, we should counter with accurate information and well-reasoned arguments. For example, Military Retired pay is different than civilian retired pay, as it is payment for reduced services – we can be recalled. To retire from the military means spending at least 20 years making a blank check to the US "payable one life." The constant moves prevent our spouses from building careers.
Yes, in my opinion Congress should change their retirement. However, NOT because they get "retirement for life." but that theirs is the high end "Law Enforcement" level of FERS. But that was put in place because Federal Law Enforcement has a mandatory retirement age of 57, which Congress does not have. I'd prefer to see them on the standard FERS (1%/year accrual). But again, this is base on facts, not falsehoods.
Forgot to mention – in addition to paying for their retirement (as in contributing cold, hard cash), at 20 years they get 34%. And when they do collect retirement pay, their health care is MUCH more expensive than our Tricare. If people keep pushing for us to get the same benefits as them, we might. Then we too can fork over the dollars to retire, not collect until age 62, and pay several hundred dollars a month for health care after we retire.
Be careful what you wish for – you might get it.
Mike, where did you get your info from? Your facts are incorrect.
please repost mikes
just to see these figures make me WONDER WHAT THE HELL WE SHOULD BELIEVE WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICIANS…..
Very sad indeed!
Make that Iraq…………..Of course.
It's time for Sen McCain to retire. When he ran for president he said he would keep our troops in Iran for 100 years. Maybe he had other reasons for cooperating with the VietCong when he was a prisoner of War. Maybe he and Jane Fonda have more in common than people think.
US Soldiers I truly can say that we earn our pay eveyday 365days out of year. I also agree Congress pay needs to be cut so do senators they don't do nothing for the military nor do they do anything for Unites States. I can say the military for everybody who read these comments I advise the military to start fighting back. that is what all our head at the Pentagon suppose to be doing fighting for the soldiers for McCain I hope he isn't running for President because no candidit like him should even run or speak about military after you stab you r men/women in the back
I don’t think there is a problem with the changes to the Tricare prime enrollment for working age retirees. After all if you can live on a military 20 years retirement pay plan, hats off to you. Most 20 year retirees have to go back to work after retirement where supplement medical coverage is available to offset the cost of not having Tricare prime. I do have a problem with changing the pay plan for the 20 year retirees. Servicemen joined under contract to serve and be eligible for retirement at 20 years, those benefits should not change right away. If a good plan is grand fathered in and the Soldiers serving now continue to get the same benefits they joined under the effect will not hurt the military so bad. If this benefit changes I believe you will see about 50% of the Sr. NCO corp leave and take that experience out the door with them. The military can’t afford to lose that much experience over a short time, the country would be at risk.
And the country in NOT at risk now??
Stop this maddness! I want to know why the military benefits are always the scapegoat for budget cuts. The military health care and services have been so severly cut that VA Hospitals cannot handle the service men and women coming back from WAR. Now our representatives would rather cut more military benefits instead of looking at their own FREE heath care and retirement package. This is a class war between the "haves and have not" or should I say the Privileged and Power continues to take care of themselves and not the military men and women who are fighting the war. Our representatives represent the lobbists and Wall Street and not mainstream America.
Exactly.
I just retired from the military, granted I was not a Active Duty member, I served 26 years in the Air National Guard, and yes I was deployed. The whole idea of serving our country for 20 or more years was to be secure in our retirement, I feel bad for the ones who have retired and are not getting by with what they are getting now. So to increase Tri-Care and take away money for someone who has served in the military is absolutely CRIMINAL, they are robbing us of our. plain and simple, while they are sitting on their fat asses collecting money they really don't earn, getting the best medical attention, private security and not having to pay taxes. I feel like this is the Robin Hood era, where the sheriff keeps imposing higher taxes and we keep struggling to live from day to day
This is just ludicrous! We have to begin to look closely at what the real message that is really being sent here. Becoming quite obvious to this old Sailor that Mr. McCain is falling right into line with the group of global elitists that are really pulling the strings to lead us yet another War to help boost up the dollar. There is still hope though, please take a look at Ron Paul's platform.
I'd rather not.
John McCain has never support the vets of this country He is suppose to a vet himself. he more than any other vet in public office has gone against vets issues in the past, he is a disgrace to all vets
READ THIS: Although I completely agree that Sen. McCain should no longer hold a senate seat, I want to caution everyone that putting a democrat during the 2016 election in his place might be akin to going from the frying pan into the fire. The trouble is that Senators are elected to serve 6 year terms. Arizona currently has two republican senators and John Kyle is due to retire and has announced he will not be running in 2012. There is speculation that Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords may run for the Senate seat. Giffords has been seen as having the possibility of her attracting numerous moderate voters, both Republican and Democrat, and dominating the Democratic field. What we should do is encourage McCain to resign and under no circumstances should he run for re-election. This way, we would be able to replace him with a conservative republican who shares our values and beliefs.
I agree, but McCain is another opportunistic RINO. He would never address reducing his benefits or pay as a member of Congress. Typical of most politicians McCain has nothing but contempt for our service members he hides it behind that phony charm and condescending attitude he takes whenever he is called to task.
They lavish themselves with pay and benefits, automatic pay increases obscene pensions and a smug sarcasm shared by his MSNBC and CNN pals. Remember the Keating 5!!!!
How can a "conservative republican" possibly be in you corner??
All congress and senators need to cut their pay and benefits before they even recommend any change to veterans pay and benefits.
Lets drop Mccain like a hot rock. He is a disgrace to the military. Since being in Washington and getting rich off the taxpayers, looks like he has become like all other politicians —CORRUPT and GREEDY
AMEN, AMEN AND AMEN!!! REMEBER YOU ALL HEARD THIS FROM ME FIRST, WATCH THE FLIP FLOP. THIS MAN IS TREACHOROUS!!!
NOT ONLY THAT AND A LOT MORE. DOING HIS CAPTIVITY HE THREW THIS COUNTRY UNDER THE BUS, AND YOU ALL FORGAVE HIM AND ELECTED HIM TO OFFICE. TRUST ME, MCCAIN CANNOY BE TRUSTED!
Lets vote all congress out of office. Lets change the law to only have 50 senators and 50 congressman. WOW, look at the money saved by not having to pay for all those other slots.
Congress needs to cut their pay and benefits before the cut others.
Why Doesn't Congress cut their medical benefits!!! Why is it always the military, or military retirees who always have to make the sacrafices. ALL INCUMBANT CONGRESS NEED TO BE VOTED OUT
MCCAIN OF ALL VETS SHOULD BE OUT TO GET ALL HE CAN FOR THE VETS . I DONT UNDER STAND HIM . TO CUT ANYTHING FROM VETS WOULD BE A CRIME . AND TO THINK I VOTED FOR HIM .
Can you say "Tea party"?
It seems to me that the American public who votes for these jesters year after year has been sold out. John McCain has out lived his usefulness. If you check his voting record as far as Vets are concerned he has voted against Vets time and time again. I say that Senators and Congress be limited to two terms and that they be made to put their retirement into Social Security, and their medical insurance be the same as every other American citizen. I find it amazing that they want to take from people they tell to go and fight all over the world. If anything they should be looking at giving the srvices a pay raise and cutting the Senate and Congress pay, by 25%. John McCain step down do all vets a favor, fade away: please!
i agree .to all vets i stongly sugest to not vote for McCain and show him the power of the vets shame on him he did the same at the hanoi hilton.and if you really want to change things send congress a message and vote every one of them out .
How about NO terms?? Who needs these clowns?
DEAR JOHN, The Admiral (father) would most likely approve re-compensation for politicians! We could easily save 31million 250 thousand dollars every year. Just decrease the salary of senate and house legislatorrs by $50,00o dollars. Multiply that times 10 years!!! This is an
excellent move to give credit to the congress for their terrific “work” for developing a
strong economy. BEFORE YOU TRY TO DESTROY THE MILITARY EXErCISE YOUR INTESTANAL FORTITUE BY DIMINISHING THE BENEFITS OF ACTIVE AND RERTIRED LEGISTLATORS. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS IS INSIGNIFICNT THEN CUT ALL OF THIEIR BENEFITS BY 50%. That would be significant and appropriate for their past results!!!!
Retirees just had a Federal tax increase on the 1st of Jan, 2011 now, as Sen McCain advocates, Congress may stick a $200 a year Tricare enrollment fee on retirees (is that $200 each for husband and wife?). How about Congress leading by example and take a nice big cut in their pay for the good of the country. _ Gary, Msg Ret
When legislatures put their life on the line everyday by simply showing up for work is when they will have the right to reduce benefits of those who do. Military personnel active or retired either where in harms way or supported their comrades who were by electing to be in the military. Citizens elected their representatives to represent them and their concerns and needs, not to balance the budget with broken promises.
The budget will NOT be balanced. Ever. Your pay and benefits WILL be cut and that's all that will happen.
All active duty, reserve national Guard, retired, and anyone else who has ever been connected to the military should band together and do everything possible to get Ron Paul elected to the presidency, he is the only person in congress right now who understands the military, Barack Obama should not get elected for another term, vote all these deadbeats out and start over with a whole new system of gov`t,: A fair one where everyone gets treated the same " no more double standards such as pay, retirement, medical benefits, lets get going and alect. Ron Paul
Ron Paul is a Libertarian. That's a republican on steroids.
Don H
I'm sorry to tell you that the President does not run the country by himself, if he did you wouldn't need a congress or senate. Therefore, even if Ron Paul did win the next election, it does not mean that these sort of things wouldn't still be happening. Vote them out, I agree, but then who do you put in there. They all make the same kind of promises but when it comes to working other folks to make it happen, it's a different story. But anyway, good luck with trying to vote those people in there that really mean what they say.
I am greatfull that after serving four years in the Army during Korea, I got out instead of staying. My pension as a NYPD can't be touched by any Govt. agency, nor can my medical.
Oh yes it can…
My husband is retired Navy, and because he is still of working age, we may not get to use our Tricare? That's stupid! How about the people that sit in Office go with how much a Retiree makes per month, and the what Tricare has to offer. I have found some amazing doctors and other specialists and I don't want to loose them. Also, we can't afford to use the insurance that my husbands work offers, so Tricare is the insurance we use. The idea of it going up is just stupid. Like someone else said, why not the people of Congress, The President, keep making the money even though they aren't in office anymore? I know that our military retirement pay isn't much, but it makes our House Payment and if we didn't have that, we wouldn't be in our house! The President should have had to serve in the Military to understand what it is the active duty and retiree's have to go through on a monthly basis! This idea SUCKS and shouldn't even be considered!!!! But this is just my opinion! The PROUD WIFE OF A RETIRED MILITARY MEMBER!!!
Thank You, You are right!
I cannot believe that McCain wants to sell ou out. My husband was in the Navy for 22 years and every ship he was on was mostly out of the country leaving me to raise our children on my own on a small amount of military pay. It was not easy to be a military wife. In those days there was only mail available to get in touch with each other. He put his life on the line for our wonderful country because he believed we are the best country on earth. After all the sacrafices and the pain of being apart for many many holidays and being in Korea and Vietnam he believed all the promises that were given to him. A promise is a promise in my world. Is not the word of our leaders any good anymore. This country has serious problems, but don't punish the military to try to save money while billions of dollars are wasted by "HELPING" other countries. We need to help our own Mr. McCain. Please, don't be a traitor to our military.
Assuming this passes, you would still be able to use Tricare, just not Tricare prime.
Oh, and Congress is under FERS – same as the Civil Servants. They don't collect retirement until age 62 (50 if the serve over 20 years), and their pension accrues at 1.7%/year, for which they pay.
Our government acting badly once again!
DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THE WIDOWS OF DECEASED 100% DISABLED VETERANS ARE TREATED.? I AM ONE OF THEM. BESIDES THE COMPENSATION BEING SLASHED IN HALF IMMEDIATELY, IT TOOK 3 MONTHS AND INTERFERENCE FROM A CONGRESSWOMAN TO GET A CHECK FROM THE VA. I AM COVERED MEDICALLY BY CHAMPVA AND THERE ARE DOZENS OF THINGS LIKE DENTAL, CHIROPRACTIC,AND CARE FOR HOMEBOUND ELDERLY VETS SPOUSES THAT ARE NOT COVERED AT ALL. MY HUSBAND GAVE HIS HEALTH TO THIS GOVT AND WAS PROMISED THE WORLD IN WWII BUT IT NEVER HAPPENED. EVEN THO HE IS BURIED IN A NATL CEMETERY AND THE FUNERAL COST $14,OOO, I WAS COMPENSATED WITH A CHECK FOR $575. SO, JOIN THE SERVICE, BE PARALYZED FOR 65 YEARS AND THEN SOMEONE LIKE MCCAIN COMES ALONG AND THINKS VETERANS AND THEIR DEPENDENTS ARE GETTING TOO MUCH. WHERE WAS HE WHEN THE NAZIS WERE HANDING OUT BOMBS?
Phyllis – do you ever wonder how much money John McCain gets from VA that he hasn't bothered to give back or tell them to stop sending. That's what I would do if I were so concerned with DoD spending too much money for medical and va compensation. I'm sure he receives something because he was captured and lost a lot of use (if not all) in his arm. What about that
Mr. Mccain, give up your benefits.
It's sad that every time McCain opens his big mouth he shows how much of an idiot he is!!!!.
There were rumors of mis-conduct by John McCain when he was a POW. Apparently he is trying to sell-out his comrades once again. Shame on him and shame on the Congress that supports balancing the budget on the backs of those who served their country while they served themselves. Any cut in benefits should come from congressional benefits. That is where the biggest waste of tax-payer dollars can be identified. Put congress on the military retirement plan. If they don't serve at least 20 years, to bad. No retirement. Go find a real job.
I think military retires should set up a fund to buy urnals for headstones for all people involved in these proposals so we can show them the respect they deserve.
Amen to THAT!
JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU HOW MUCH WE ARE APPRECIATED AFTER OUR SACRIFICES HAVE BEEN MADE. MC CAIN HAS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT FINANCIALLY, WHAT A TURN COAT!
Yes sir it's time for Sen. McCain to step down, he has been a career politician for to long. I respect the Senator and his many years as a POW. If anyone knows the hardships military service members go through, he should. Come on Senator don't be a puppet of President Obama and his cronies. Stand up and have some guts for us RETIREES!!!
I'm a veteran, a patriot and a concerned citizen. We need to put people in office who have a conscience and will pass laws to put an end to the era of 'big bucks' political income and retirement benefits. When someone is elected, they're "Hired". When they're voted out, they're "Fired". When we get fired, do we continue to collect our salaries and benefits?? Every politician who voted to pass laws that allowed them to keep getting paid after they were fired knew that they'd be stealing from their employers.
He really SUCKS!
Maybe you all should grow a BRAIN…..Lets start TAXING the wealthiest 3% enough money so we don't have to put up with this stuff, and then VOTE everybody OUT who supports this CRAP…..Republicans have RUINED the USA
What the HELL are you talking about Republicans. Lets go to Barnie Frank, How about Dodd do you know who they are. Know what your talking about before you engage in strong talk.
Who are you?
I am a retired Vet with 23 years of services USMC and USCG with 12 years sevics with my local Sheriff Dept.
Of course he supports this , he gets free medical and his income will not be cut, how can he live with him self if he does this ?? does he hate the military that much, I know he was a pow, but really???? go after the wealthy, but then again he is one of those wealthy ones so he wants to put the screws to those that are barely getting by,,,
Quit taking from the middle class and trying to change what has been promised. Maybe the people in Washington DC need to decrease their pay and benefits. Think of the money it would save this country!
McCain wants to keep the war going for a hundred years if necessary but he wants to cut the pay and benefit of the people he wants to keep fighting this war. I think he is despicable an idiot and a hypocrite. I don't know why people keep voting for people like him. The government should all give up the big expensive benefits they get , that will get this country out of this huge deficit.
I like Herman Cain's 9 9 9 tax plan. Product prices will come way down because Manufacturing costs will come way down because they won't have the multiple hidden taxes incorporated into them…. because they've been abolished. ,,,, A simple, highly visible 9 9 9 tax plan. Every voter can see who the Politician is who wants to increase any part of it and vote that politician out of office. When the 9 9 9 plan is implemented, it should include a specification that no other form of taxation can be used to raise revenue.
The Republicans in Las Vegas, when attacking 9 9 9, were trying to confuse the issue by bringing up state taxes, which they absolutely KNEW had absolutely nothing to do with Federal government taxes…. anymore than they do under the current tax system. All who did that lost my respect because they were assuming me to be a fool and believe that they're more intelligent than I am. …. On the other hand, if they really didn't get it, it's THEY who are the fools. Either way, they don't belong in the office of President. We've had too much deceit and stupidity.
Rick talk about deceit and stupidity take a look at who is around our President now. Know those people that is running the country now. GET the FACTS. I servied 3 years in the Marine Corps and 20 years in the Coast Guard, I put my time in Ve tNam I also servied 12 years with the local Seriff Dept. I am one of these people that is being talk about. All I ask is before writting about things that is happeniing around us know what the Hell your talking about.
Cut military benefits? You've got to be kidding me!! Our military has sacrificed for more than should be asked of anyone. Retired military and their spouses deserve and have earned the small benefits they receive. When our elected officials cut their salaries and benefits and participate in the same health care as they have voted for us common folks, maybe we can start to take them seriously. Most government officials don't have a clue!!
These United States of America are the epitome to the rest of the world and I gave 39 years to defend its way of life, and I am proud of that. To my fellow vets, the folks in congress are the hypocrites who trumpet the military during there election or re-election, but without hesitation "stab you ( the military) in the back" every time they try to cover-up and blame someone else for this country's problem's, which they caused. Many of those doing these "stabbing" have constituents which are probably non-military. never wore the uniform and so they feel they can afford to gut the military and its benefits, and still get re-elected. We, the tax payers, pay for their "free" medical and dental care, and they are happy to let is be that way (calling themselves the "untouchables"}. I will hate to see (even think) of what this country will be like when my grand children grows up. Sorry to say, but that is a sad outlook.
Mc Cain nor the President should be looking at cutting Miitary benefits but they should be looking at restoring benefits and bring the Draft back. Mc Cain has no clue of what the military do nor the benefits they have lost. Any service member should be able to to take their Military ID and use it at any medical place for service.
this is a selfish move, what we need is to bring the national public to consume national products, and increase the taxation in international products in introduction and business propose. pushing nationals to invest international its a suicide!
I've always been very frugal with money. I think we'd all agree that, in the military, you have to be to get ahead (or just survive) financially. If I made almost $200,000.00 a year, with all the benefits like our elected officials, and served two (even one) terms, I'd have plenty of money put away for my own re-election campaign. Am I missing something?
IT’S TIME FOR McCAIN TO GO HOME AND STAY .
AZ doesn't want him.
I agree. He is old and affraid. His sense of self preservation is hightened due to his age and weak political leverage. He will always side with those who have the strong hand so that he can live the rest of his life hanging onto his political career. He's a Judas.
The more I see of John McCain the more I'm convinced we should have left him in Hanoi.
It is of no surprise and of little disbelief to expect such a move from a politician. It is easier for those sitting in Washington to cut military benefits rather than duly regulate federal spending and control costs that are costing the American taxpayer needless anguish and suffering in the form of medical benefits, jobs and the uncertainty to the stability of the economy and the integrity within the government. Sacrifices do have to be made, but do not sacrifice the very resources that are the sword and the shield, that have protected liberty and sustained freedom for all Americans, including the politicians.
I feel your passion and approve your message . Good on ya'!
please repost mikes #3
Every time Washington wants to make budget cuts they look at the Military because we are easy targets for congress. Why not cut benefits for the congress people in Washington DCs. Think of the money it would save this country!
If we are hurting so bad why is it that congress can afford to give Libya over 11 million in aid? Don’t we have cities and states that need aid just as much? ‘Charity begins at home’
My son, brother, 2 uncles, and multiple relatives, unconditionally, offered their life for this country and ALL came home as disabled veterans. How dare anyone take any benefits away from them. I agree, take all the benefits away from all congressman and senators and see how they survive. It is hard to believe but my son and brother now have to make copayments on treatments for their military disability. How can our government do this to these veterans?
I AM A DISABLED VET AS WELL. IT MAKES ME SICK TO THINK THAT OUR GOVERNMENT AS WELL AS COUNTRY HAS FORSAKEN THE SOLDIERS, SAILORS, MARINES, AND AIRMAN THAT HAVE PUT THEMSELVES IN HARMS WAY FOR CENTURYS AND NOW WE ARE TREATED LIKE DOGS? NO NOT EVEN DOGS, THEY ARE TREATED BETTER THAN MOST VETERANS. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON THE UNITED STATES, BECAUSE WE ARE HEADED FOR TURMOILS AND DEVASTATION (WAR AND INVASION) THAT THE U.S. HAS NEVER SEEN.
BECAUSE THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS TURNED ITS BACK ON THE
MILITARY, FAMILIES,AND VETERANS. AGAIN MAY GOD HAVE MERCY. WE WILL DEFINATELY NEED IT SOON………….
You need to read more Donkey Lit. Mac is agreeing with your Bama
John McCain and his rich republicans are bringing on the next revolution in this country. Mess with us poor Vet's and we will respond accordingly.
I'M REPUBLICAN SAD TO SAY. BUT I AM THEIR WITH YOU BROTHER. POOR VET AS WELL
John McCain AKA Jane Fonda, a true traitor, unbelievable he would do this to his comrades! Maybe he should go back and visit the Hilton.
A DAMN SHAME, AND HE SHOULD GO BACK… FUCKING TRAITOR
Thanks, McCain, Please don't run for President again, I won't be voting for you nor I suspect will the rest of us. You used your 'hero' status enough now you've gone to far and forgotten what we do and what we sacrificed to get what we have. Nothing like degrading our benefits we've worked for and relied on. And where do we get this money? Do you think we are all sporting high paying jobs? I still work for the Federal government and uncle Obama has frozen my pay for at least another year, maybe longer. Everybody around me is raising costs while I see my purchasing power and saving shrink to nothing.
Yeah, John thanks for your support.
THIS COUNTRY HAS EXPORTED ITS BLOOD—-ITS JOBS—-AND ITS TRUST. WE HAVE SOLD THIS COUNTRY AND I DON,T THINK WE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO BUY IT BACK. I NEVER THOUGHT I,D FEEL THIS WAY——I WOULD WELCOME SOME FRESH AIR.
Get some balls and tax corprate greed, and the rich dont take from the poor and give it to the rich and stop hand outs to ilegal aliens and croked politicians
Why you no good turn coat. Get your act on line with all of us who have given all they could for this nation and for the love one's who have given all that they had. Veterans will stick together and we will get all of you ungreatful and unconcerned out of office. God bless the USA and it's Veterans. We will Vote all of you nonhackers out.
Mc Cain is a traitor to all that the Military has stood for. He has sold out his soul for
his good and NOT the good of the country and all that have sacrificed for this country. He will answer to a higher power for his betrayal. No hero to me. Send him back to Hanoi and let him live like the class of society he is trying to create here in the US. The Poor and the Rich.
Here in Miami, local mid level Firefighlters can and will retire, at around $150,000 a year while in their 40's.(Recent Miami Herald newspaper report) The work scedule is, I believe, 1 day on and 2 days off. One firefighter gained fame as a fishing guide during his time off as an active firefighter. Try that in the military.
I agree with the sending McCain back to Hanoi without any money and let him live on the street like many of our heroes in the states do. They should make Congress pay for health insurance and pay into social security. Also not recieve a pension after they get out. You do for years as a servant of the people and then screw them by retiring with a pension equal to their salary. Impeach them all including obama, the not American president. People need to stand up and take over government for the people, not government for government. I gave 23 years as a medic in the Air Force and was in VN and Desert Storm.
Interesting to see comparison for new fees for Congressional and Tricare benefits in a percentage..
I worked for the government for 38 years, the last three were as the Deputy Director for Public Affairs, Washington Regional Office. I am also a disabled veteran with a 50 percent disability rating. As I worked for the VA. my raitngs were handled separately from others to prevent the appearance of collusion in the rating process. Still I saw a lot of veterans go through what many of you are going through.
Here are a few suggestions: Use the VSO's. Ask around and talk to vets about their experiences with the various VSO's. Also, almost every state and county has Director of Veterans Affairs. Use them, many are retired veterans. Request a copy of your records from the VA. The first copy is free. Request a copy of your military records from the records center in St. Louis. Make several copies of each. Remember, no one is a better advocate for your cause than you. You need to read and know what’s in your records. This will help you immensely in case you have to appeal. Yes, this is and can be a frustrating process. But think, you will be paid every month for the rest of your life.
Don't think that anyone in Washington DC is out for the military people, that include the guys wearing star they have their hands in this as well. The republicans cut as quick as the Dems look no further that Bush 1. In the early 90s they cut us to the bone after the USSR went down.
Let these people mess with the military retiree's pay and their disabilities and there will be no peace in Washington, ever. MCCain, you double-dealing traitor, you are asking for HEAT like this country has never seen. Remember, you are messing with the same people who have sacrifced thier lives for the peace and freedom of this great country. I would STRONGLY advise you PEOPLE not to take this any further.
I am a Vet and I don't like what McCain is doing, but don't get caught up in the rich stupidity. When you tax the corporations they just pass it on to the consumer. The so called rich are the ones that give people jobs. If you have no rich you have no jobs. Economics 101 people! If you have no rich you have no economy. The idiots marching on Wall Street haven't a clue. The housing bubble caused by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (Dodd and Frank who are both Dumbocrats) caused this. Bush fell into the Dems trap and see what we get? Class warfare, just what Nobama wants. Then we get marshal law. Wake up people and see what is going on. We are broke and China is laughing at us as we borrow more money and throw it down the toilet.
Do you really believe what you are saying? Where were you during the iraq and afghanistan war? Have you been to Kuwait, Iraq, or Afghanistan and seen the 10 to 11 trillion dollars of waste created from not having a logistics plan and going to war blind, buying tons of everything? (3 trillion minimum). Where were you when the Enrons, Murdocks, and all the other rich were using ponzi schemes and greed to bleed this country dry? (500 billion minimum). where were you when Halliburton and KBR had an open contract, and were so trusted that we sent pallets of 100 bills to Iraq for them to sustain the war since Iraqi Contractors only dealt in cash, and we had Halliburton contractors managing the pallets of money? Where were you during the last 10 years of Bush Tax Cuts given to the Corporations for them to create jobs? And who's responsible for there not being any jobs, and they have been receiving almost a 100% tax cut for the last ten years for them to create jobs since "Business Can create mor jobs than the government?". "WAKE UP!!!!!!!".
You act like the rich give jobs out like a gift. People use labor to make money, not vice versa. Economics 101. I started a business and wasn't rich and am still not rich but i managed to create jobs for people as well as for myself. Don't buy into this 'noble rich' propaganda they are spewing to keep from paying their share of the tax burden.
This new turn of events certainly does not take me by surprise me, what else can you expect from this scroundel and his unmentionable kind company that he keeps… in fact i saw it written in the wall so many years ago, and i did my early homework, just simply left our beloved USA and make my new life as a retiree here in Panama, in fact ive already voluntarily sign off of MEDICARE PLAN B, FOR TRICARE FOR LIFE, as far as im concerned they simply can shove it, now i have local medical attention, plus all the bebefits that you received being in a status as TURISTA PENSIONADO, under the panameniam law, which allows you many benefits that unfortunately our great country does not gives us,now at least by virtue of living here, im no longer classified as living under the poverty level,(in USA) of course this based on my yearly income from my pension. HERE IM LIVING A MORE DIGNIFY LIFE, , not being subject to lead a penny pinching life, like many of my comrades are being submmited.(this gives me a lot pain and angry at our politicians) but of course is our personal decission to choose where to select to live , the so called GOLDEN YEARS!!! my suggestion to those that are under those circumstances to start looking at some distant shores, you may be pleasantly surprised like im experiencing it now. best of luck and may God bless our country.
Of course, McCain comes from a long line of flags, who like politicians, break the spirit of real people who do all the work and planning only to have the government attempt to change the rules. Politicians, like senior officers, don't have a clue. Income disparity will continue to increase. Our government will continue to lie and commit fraud against veterans who did the right thing. If I was being coddled by the VA things wouldn't be so bad. I'm almost certain even McCain enjoys his large VA disability pension, which is tax free, and access to free medical care even if Tricare disappears for the truely deserving. McCain and his family are almost certainly part of the 1% who holds 40% of all U.S. wealth. He continues to increase his wealth by being one of those Washington D.C. cronies (caste) with the highest per capita income in the nation. They are almost as unethical as U.S. CEOs who make 100s of times what average families make in the country. They are all greedy good for nothings. Watch C-SPAN for example. Hopefully, occupy Wall Street gets traction and expands into D.C. Those of us who busted our butts for over two decades for our country while under contract will prevail under the law. Thank god we have the skills and the 14th amendment.
This new turn of events certainly does not take me by surprise me, what else can you expect from this scroundel and his unmentionable kind company that he keeps… in fact i saw it written in the wall so many years ago, and i did my early homework, just simply left our beloved USA and make my new life as a retiree here in Panama, in fact ive already voluntarily sign off of MEDICARE PLAN B, FOR TRICARE FOR LIFE, as far as im concerned they simply can shove it, now i have local medical attention, plus all the bebefits that you received being in a status as TURISTA PENSIONADO, under the panameniam law, which allows you many benefits that unfortunately our great country does not gives us,now at least by virtue of living here, im no longer classified as living under the poverty level,(in USA) of course this based on my yearly income from my pension. HERE IM LIVING A MORE DIGNIFY LIFE, , not being subject to lead a penny pinching life, like many of my comrades are being submmited.(this gives me a lot pain and angry at our politicians) but of course is our personal decission to choose where to select to live , the so called GOLDEN YEARS!!! my suggestion to those that are under those circumstances to start looking at some distant shores, you may be pleasantly surprised like im experiencing it now. best of luck and may God bless our country.
Heres the answer let congress have Tricare too, and while we there give them the same COLA
I absolutely agree with you!
MCCian Why Did U Turn On Mil. Take Your Meds. Now
a verble contract is still valid acorrding to the courts, they need to live up to it
i did my part now they need to uphold thier end
After 26 years in service currently on my second tour to Iraq in three years, I blame the Active Component Leadership prosecuting this war spending millions of $ unnecessarily.. The current regime has been hedging bets with taxpayer funds by prolonging decisions, transitioning their HQs all over the battlefield, two or three times, spending vast amounts of transportation and construction funds resetting up their respective command and control operations. In addition, we spend millions of dollars in “contract” work that are inherently military or could be facilitated via troop labor. It costs on average $37/ plate to feed a troop per meal for example. We are paying $250K / year for one contractor maintaining UAV’s; multiply that by however many contractors there are in theater working on this type equipment. We are paying security forces $80-100+K year to check ID cards and swing open gates at entry / exit points, $500M to renovate fuel bunkers that will get mothballed. These are just a few examples of the myriad of abuse perpetuated by the Active component. Yes I am also upset that personal benefits keep eroding for those who serve, but it’s the people’s fault to keep voting these same members to Congress at every election. Term limits, tax overhaul, curtail immigrant entries, revamp the Federal energy and education departments are few changes I propose.
MCCain was a comrade until he got involved in the political circle of politics.Where they can control their pay and benifits.The letter he sent to the president will be his downfall among veterans who he says he holds dear to his heart.These veterans have done more for this country than the politicains that are in office now. Maybe you have a new bill to save your retirement and another bill for the hero"s of this country. Think for the service men and women, which at one time you were a sevice man in the military.
In closing get your heart in the right place, and stand up for veterans.
Start at the top and work your way down in ever decreasing percentages to nothing at the bottom.
Wow, betrayal of the worst kind, knife in the back. Not surprising though; McCain is rich and knows that the military will have to cut. The choices are to steal the money from the already broken and beat down troops or to ask the Military Industrial Complex, Haliburton and the rest to give up some of their share. Since $600 toilet seats are far more important than honoring our promises to our veterans, the choice is obvious. Compound that with the fact that our troops don't have extra money to bribe McCain and hisilk with, but the MIC, Haliburton and the rest do, I guess we vets are the low lying fruit here.
McCain is a sell out to the military and its retirees! He does care because he wouldn't miss any of his retired benefits from the Navy, because he will be getting that LARGE check for life as a Senator and his wife's wealth.
This guy is no hero to me as well, he coddles the illegals, until he is running for the presidency then he says, "Just, build the dang fence!" What a joke, and what about the government and states that continue to subsidize the illegals at about $64Billion a year, but yet you want to cut the very people that are loyal to the country and continue to serve this country. Most, and I said most of the illegals that are here and coming now are looking for the free stuff so they can work under the table and sent their remittances back to Mexico. I see it every day in Texas and I would warn people on voting for Perry who has really done anything to stop them coming. The jobs he has created are for the illegals in labor jobs. Lastly, I lived in Mexico for a couple of years and Mexico will not give you one dime if you are not born there, even if you become a citizen; what hypocrites for them trying to tell us how to treat their law breakers!
Cut entitlements for able bodied generational welfare lazies and illegals getting food stamps, free housing, medical, and their children's free lunches,books, and higher education. Texas is getting as bad as California with the free entitlements for illegals! The RICH Senators need to put their money were their mouths are and take a big cut, before they go after military and retired military!
Sorry for the typos, should have said doesn't and down on the Perry comment should have said hasn't.
Just truly mad at who this government is trying to throw under the bus to cut corners to continue to give illegals, and deadbeats a check at our expense.
Get these bums out of office and replace them with someone that is going to look out for the military, their families and the retirees!
I see tons of 20 year olds riding around that don't want to work and are sponging off their mothers(most claim they don't have a dad;big reason for them being lazy)and they really feel they are entitled to take other people stuff! I've asked them what kind of job they are looking for and the standard response with a grin is I'm not looking! Pathetic!
Doesn't matter how many of us reply to this rape of the military they'll just go ahead and do what ever they wish just as they promised free medical care for you and your spouse and the United States Supreme Court sided with the mitlitary because it wasn't written into our re-enlistment contracts even though every reenlistment NCO stated that this would be the case after a minimum 20 years service and handed us a pamphalet stating the same thing. So if it isn't written in your blood in the comtract it's not valid. The only blood they want to see is ours on the battle field and when your times up don't let the door hit you in the rear because they no longer know or care about you or your family. Donald R. Hohman CWO (RET) USA POW
Just remember we are just the one percent of the 99% who keep our country free, but we all know many others who we can influence because of our service. How about everyone getting 10 other voters on line to protect the active and retired service members from loosing anymore of there promised benifits. sf
I wonder if the Officer retired pay will be considererd. Years ago I could step outta my office and yell " Hey Colonel", one, two at most would turn their heads. Just before I retired as an E-8 I could do the same and fifteen or twenty would turn their heads. A veritable fortune could be saved by tightening the Officer promotion system. Many were doing jobs that any senior NCO could do as well if not better. If an officer was stupid enough to retire as a lieutenant his pay would still exceed that of an E-7 Master Sgt.! Lone Wolf got it right "start at the top." As for politics….o and his appointees and his minions are out to bankrupt the US and put us in the position where we will not be able to say no to a world economic system. Soon followed by a world government. Soon followed by THE END. as in end days.
HEY MCAIN LETS KEEP OUR PROMISE TO OUR VET'S. THEY PROTECT VERY EVER.
So exactly when are the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial Branches, taking their cut on all their benefits that they have voted themselves along the lines of 300%.
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER, THEY ARE ALL A BUNCH OF THIEVES.
so, not only do they not pay adequately during active service;
not only do they make promises they do not keep;
they also want to keep retirees from living a peaceful life after having served in various wars.
Typical
McCain betrayed all of us, he's upset cuz he lost the election in '08.
if your going to cut benefits start from 0-10 down to 0-6, way overpaid and getting fired left and right! leave the enlisteds(who make the zero's look good) ALONE!!!!!!
I am disgustrd with the lot of them, build their castke, destroy our hut. completly disgusted. All I can say is we need to clean house in DC and start over our political system is btoke.
Most politicians are cowards not fit to serve this nation, they should change the constitution to require military service to be eligible to run for any office in the country. Then maybe people would respect the promise made to service members and their families for their sacrifices to this country. Why should a service member receive a third of his pay for retirement (housing and food allowances are not included in the retirement calculation) and have promised health care continuously under assault by our elected representatives when the very congressmen and senators vote themselves a 100% retirement package that gets endowed to their spouse upon their death, something else not avaialble to retired service members….this is attrouscious the constitution's 14th amendment guarantees pensions awarded by our government, technically congress has no right to change the benefits without a constitutional change to this amendment. I guess things will not change until we march on Washington and hasten the demise of some of these traitors sitting in congress.
Hmm, let me see. So a senator can serve one term and get his/her retirement for life, but a Soldier who signed a contract can serve 20+ years, deploy countless times, risk his/her life for these senators, miss countless birthdays, holidays, funerals, etc and Mccain is supporting a proposal to cut their benefits. I say the Soldiers need to clean house at the election booth and start insisting that our laws apply to govt officials and start reducing some of their benefits.
I totally agree. I've put in my time & was placed in danger also. Seems the 'Leaders' of our country need to have their pay, retirements, & benefits match those in the military (and then the retired!).
Right, so you want to improve their pay and benefits (check what GO's make on DFAS website, and check out the Congressional Pay and Benefits from the Senate website).
ONE MORE TIME – THEY DO NOT GET RETIREMENT FOR LIFE AFTER ONE TERM!!!
Please, please, please go to the Senate website and look up their retirement (http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30631.pdf). They are under FERS, following the same rules as FERS Law Enforcement. They earn 1.7%/year, payable at age 62. So, after 6 years, they have earned 10.2%, payable at age 62. For this, they not only paid into their retirement fund, they also paid Social Security.
Oh, they also pay for their health care, and, in 1995, under the Congressional Accountability Act, they put themselves under the same laws as everyone else.
Would I prefer them under regular FERS (1%/year, payable at age 62, dropping to 55 after 25 years)? Yes. I'll criticize them for that, and for not being productive, and for deadlocking, and a lot of things. But I won't criticize them for receiving retirement for life after one term, BECAUSE THEY DON'T.
McCain's only claim to fame was to refuse early release from the Hanoi Hilton after being severely injured while ejecting from his aircraft! Enough fame to get him elected a Senator! He made have served twenty years of Honorable service, but a great thinker he is not! He wants to be a Republican, in Name Only! Those of use who have also served Twenty and in my case, Forty years, find the benefits provided by a great full nation to be generous! We understand that McCain's personal wealth includes a wife who can provide more than a can of beer!
That's right Mclame…. Go right the F*ck ahead and reach across the aisle and COMPROMISE like you always have…..Let the community organizer dictate the terms to the majority. Goldwater in his prime would have kicked your butt in this debate.
I AM A VET OF 20 YRS. I MISS MANY BIRTHDAYS, XMAS, THANKSGIVING AND MANY OTHER FAMILY GETTOGETHERE, DUE TO FIELD, WAR. WHEN I RETIRED AND MY SON WANTED TO GO IN THE ARMY. I HAD TO TELL HIM NO WAY IN HELL. BECAUSE OF ALL THE THING THEY ARE WILLING TO GIVE YOU AND TAKE IT AWAY JUST AS SOON YOU WALK OUT THE DOOR. I TOLD HIM WHEN THESE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON TAKE AWAY MY DREAM FROM WHICH THEY TOLD ME I WOULD HAVE SERVING THE UNITED STATES. LET THEM SEND THEIR SON AND DAUGHER TO DIE. IF MY PAY IS CUT ANY MORE I WILL NEVER SEND MY SON TO PROTECT THIS COUNTRY.
THE MONEY THAT MCCAIN IS SAID TO SAVE THE COUNTRY. I WONDER HOW MUCH OF THAT IS GOING TO BE SEND OVER SEA TO REBUILD THE COUNTRIES THAT WE SEND OUR'S SONS TO DIE FOR. DO THEY IN WASHINGTON KNOW THAT WE HAVE VETS LIVING ON THE STREET, OUT OF WORK FOR MANY YEARS, NO MED. INSUR. NO MORE DREAM HOME, FAMILY BEING SPERATED, KILLING THEMSELF. CAN THAT NOT SEE THIS. NO BECAUSE THAT DON'T CARE. THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT THEY WORK FOR THE PEOPLE.
I can't believe that McCain would turn his back on our service men and women, especially us who are military retired. Has he forgotten duty to serve and protect. We did not forget when he was a POW, we praised him and welcomed him home a true hero. And now he wants to cut our benefits, McCain are you crazy or going senile? Don't forget where you come from nor where you have been.
All the above…but don't forget…he gets Officer retirement pay as well special benefits…Oh his wife has a few billion set aside…so do not be surprised about him and most of the rest…selling us all down the riverf…why we are cannon fodder again as usual…sick of it…so We the People need to get our country back on track cause they aren't !!!
I agree with Jack,I voted republican last pres.elec.1st time ever and I'm 72.This was because I thought Mcain was for the people.If he is going to vote to take money from widows who's husbands spent 20 yrs.serving this country.2nd WW and korean war,then he has forgotten the people.Shame on you .And to think u want to take $200.00 from us for Tri-care..We still pay into medicare every month.No raises for 2 years.and as soon as u decide to give us a raise your going to take it away.What the hell!I only get 60% of my husbands retirement chk.so that means you got more then $200.00.Leave us alone and let us live our days out in peace already.I am on the poverty list every year since I took full retirement.
John, did you know that John McCain's wife supported him and was faithful during his ordeal, dispite her permanent disablement due to an accident, until he met Cindy, an heiress. He promptly divorced his wife and married the ultra-rich Cindy. Don't forget his salary for life from the Senate which any American would be happy to receive. No wonder he is for reducing benefits or charging for them, he is he is set for life. Wish I were.
McJanus is more like it. My two brothers and I served, we gave a combined total of 75 years of our life. My family can trace its miltary service back to the civil war. Now Mr. Blunder brains wants to dishonor my family and all those who took pride in keeping the FLAG flying. Want to guess what I think of that traitor.
Dragonhammer
I had respect for John McCain. He is one of them now. Of all people to sell us out . Im USAF Retired. Words cant describe my feels to our pathetic govt. Any cuts made should come from Congress first . Let them feel the pinch. Better yet lets change there salaries from where they are now to the average working mans salary …Lets say 30k to 40k. Then we will see how many of them serve there country. There all full of dung . I think " WE THE PEOPLE ' NEED TO TAKE CONTROL OF OUR GOVT. Absolutely 100% disgusted
McCain hass the nerve to disrespect the military community. Oh yeah, he can act as if he care about his service, faked his compassion during the pre-election when he lost to President Obama (which I am not happy to hear he is for these cuts), let's not forget he has so many darned properties he can't remember, which means he has to much money and is completely out of touch with the real world. As a military spouse you have to endure challenge like no other, be Mom & Dad and stay strong for the family because you are truly the glue. For all the love my spouse and all like him has given this country you get nothing. How in the hell can The House/Congress work 1 darned term and receive a salary for life that a working household of 2 people do not make combined? Oh yeah, you get to determine your salary. Wouldn't that be nice for the rest of us? (part1)
We don't have the luxury of taking money under the table from the lobbyist to pad our wallets and SCREW the American people who HIRED your sorry behind to work for us, and not against us. As far as the medical benefits, we deserve it. It is a blessing to be able to go to the doctor, this was not given , it is earned by BLOOD, Loss of family time and REAL WORK, not sitting on your BUTT doing nothing but arguing with each other and making everyone in the country angry and turning other countries against us because of your arrogance and greed. If you ALL would stop misappropriating funds and doing what you are suppose to, the military service members and their families would not have to undergo this crap EVER. There is certainly no need to pay $200 a year, and worst of all, take away the right to have tri-care if you are of working age. Well, McCain, no one in their right mind wants to work until they drop DEAD but you. The real fact of the matter is they need to clear you and all like minded individuals from the house & senate and start anew, that would probably be the turning point to not do business as usual. (part2)
Hey guys and gals, no point in bitching here-do it at the polls.
Stop crying and vote all the bums out regardless or party. Put some fresh minds in congress that understands the problems of the American People.. Make sure you check the new ones out before voting and get a commitment from them in writing.
Cry. Cry. Stop. With no draft a lot of you joined the military there is alot of phonies getting service connected benefits which the ones.that know how to use the system get compensation not deserved you are no better than those politicians using the systems I see some phonies at.va clinic telling others how to get money by claming ptsd or some other claim wah wah. Wah
politics!!! every seat should be termed so you all don.t forget the real life.. the president stay for 2 terms ONLY. So should you all…. changing country should have fresh ideas. you all keep thinking this way and send us back to the dark ages!!! it is easy we sacrifice for countries all the time.. what do we get in return.. a BIG BILL. wrong answer. if you all cant decide for the good of the people GET OUT.
Plain and simple, no amount of money can compensate the STRESS that you are putting the families but specially the soldiers in defending this country!!! You have the guts to cut off some benefit so you can live in a terror free country?? What a shame!!!
McCain turns his back on the military – It is time to turn our back on him… Write him everyday repeating the same message – Time for you to step-down as a representative of the people. Maybe he will get the message – But I doubt it. – His ego won't let him realize how bad he has hurt those of us who have served and those of us who are serving….. Think what it would be like if he were Commander in Chief – How many would salute him with pride or find a way to turn your back to him?
Tell McCain to give up his life time care and pension then go find a real job.
i'll make this short and sweet not only is mc cain senile he's absolutely crazy.
When I entered the military in the 50's I was told that if I stayed for 20 year I and my family would get free medical care for life. I realize that Recruiters were not authorized to make these promises, but the made them. Several military publications also acknowledged the "promise" as a fact.
In 1964 with the birth of medicare the government said that this is the new plan and forget the promises of the past which were never incorporated into law.
Realizing the past promises the government then invented TFL for which we pay a monthly fee – yes we pay because we are required to have medicare in order to have TFL. Now what the Adminisrtation wants to do is pay again for something we were promised 650 years ago.
EII am amnter text right here!
The only saving grace I can say about McCain is he's mortal. One day, he too, will pass!
He cares about his legacy not the Veterans. He has turned out to be an ass.
I erned it, leave it alone
He's counting on it and that's the problem. This is his Legacy and he is a betting man. This is his last shot at it. The only way to turn this around is for us to make him aware that his Legacy will ultimately be a disaster that his actions reflect great shame upon himself, the U.S. Military, Veterans, and the people we protect and serve – "The American People". That's the problem with this mortal. The Senator wants to live forever by being immortalized as "The Great American Hero" of our times. We need to wake him up before he does something stupid, catch up with him before gets his wish. This man has bigger plans and we are on his path of mass destruction.
I turn 65 in May 2012 I have to enroll with medicare and pay for a Part B (?). I recieve 774.00 a month after taxes becuase the Republicans DO NOT want to tax the wealthy, I received 824.00 before, and he wants me to pay for TFL too.
Jokingly I have told people I am starting to look at tentsand an oversized grocerycart with an umbrella for rain.
I agree with who ever said elect a new group of people maybe veterans instead of lawyers and those who special interests own.
If term limits are good for Presidents, how about Congress?
S top. A lot of you cry babies. Are triple dippers which deprives someone else a decent paying job talk about greed you are government takers. Yourseleves.: greedy. A. Holes
You really should restain from responding to stuff you know nothing about. More importantly, you should keep your comments focused on facts and not personal attacks and childish name calling. After all, you label yourself a former marine, so it is obvious you take pride in that fact and why would you think that others wouldn't be proud of what they've done also? I don't understand why someone would want to join the marines, but respect those that make that choice being it is honorable work and I feel the same with those that continue on with government jobs after retirement provided they do an honorable day of work for honorable day of pay. I don't fall into either category, but am thankful for those that do.
Everything a double or triple dipper gets WAS EARNED! Mike
I am a retiree and a Viet Nam Vet and can not believe this guy. If our voting in representivies would take a pay cut we could save 110 billion dollars a year. Take away their free medical during their term and after they our outstead there is another 100 billion dollars a year. We vets served and protected our county and now he he is telling us to go to hell; well I know one thing he will be going there too.
For McCain and all thoes before him and those to follow him. What really needs to happen is that all the over paid politician should give up there free medical care, nothing should be granted to them but a small modiest salary and see how much the government will save. Now that we are protesting on wall street, those thats there should stay there and we should start another group to protest the senate and congress who are worthless and doing nothting to help this economy. They are only trying to get there names in the history books.
Vote this bum out! So, the Senator wants to stick it to retirees and ruin the active military (no one will make it a career) w/o the retirement, just to raise $100B over 10 years? Congress gave the banks 10 times that in the stroke of a pen. now all this budget cutting/union busting is being done to distract the American people from the real source of the problem- corporate thievery.
But if we retire him then we are still paying his salary AND his replacement's salary. And he'll go to work for a military contractor on top of it all, and use his Congress contacts to make even more money. Much as I don't like him, do we really want to do that?
It is time to take a stand. Criticising former military for seeking and having second careers is just nuts… That isn't the issue. People are free, at least I think still, to work if they can. I EXPECT equal and parallel cuts to CONGRESSMAN and SENATOR benefits to include restructuring of their rediculous retirements as well as their out of reason salaries. McCain is no longer a friend of the military member or retirees. McCain is throwing the military and military retirees under the bus while he and his Congressional Buddies keep their wealth, benefits, and lucrative retirements. The AUDACITY .. my ass.. this is pure stupid! People better start doing more than HOPING. The Current Congress and Administration are not FOR America..and certainly not for the military and we retirees!
Every one who has been in active duty in the armed forces need to disown Mccain and let every one else know how he has shafted the military!!
Stop,Look,and listen a new wave of action is on it's way to disrupt our way of life, The leader is one of our own McCain, what happen to him to for get how hot the fire was that burned him on that flight deck. We can look at working on bringing back our money from the world that thinks we are the police of every problem that hits. I don't want anyone to get me wrong we will all ways have to protect our way of life.
The old saying is the rich get richer and the poor get pooer, but we have to look at the big picture not parts of it. McCain did his part for our country and he is somewhat lost in the jungle of finances. We need to help him get bact on the right page year 2011.
McCain from most of the comments are not happy with his actions. First, there are many retires in the military and congress that receive special benefits (congress) mainly. Many of the comments are correct about McCain, like all Republicans, they don't care about Americans (WE THE PEOPLE) but care about Military Defense Companies whom rewards them. The Republicans of today are not like the ones 20-30 ago. They only care about the corporations whom hook-up them. Example, like hooking family members up with college scholarship, or high paying jobs. All I know for sure is how heartless the GOP is to the Middle Class. I wonder is there a person or group controlling the actions of the GOP. They all act as ONE. Obama has been a great Commander in Chief, but the congress has interfered in all other of his action. The president has done very little because the congress has prevented him. WE THE PEOPLE must join together with our votes to get a National Government (Presidents and Congress) ans State Governments to support WE THE PEOPLE, not we have to accept what they want. When Polls (60-70) % state that We The People what something, we should get it as long as it does not take away someone else rights (Harms).
Did someone Not read the whole article…..It did say McCain supports Obama's proposals for the cuts! Hellooo….they are all in bed together…McCain is a total liar if you'll remember his campaign bs.
He soooo supported the military, LOL…..I wonder if Washington Greats think they are above Gadhafi…..give it 5 – 10 years and we're living like those people over there…..
You are a demented liberal. We are in this trouble because of liberal housing! You talk about corporate greed, what about Hollywood, Oprah, Michael Moore? You liberals state McCain and the GOP is to blame you are wrong all these program were voted in when the left had the house, senate and the presidency! I am a retiree and I would pay this little increase. As for the politicians and the pay and benefits they should be reduced if not taken away completely until retirement age!
And you are delusional. At the end of the year we will finally be out of Iraq. Iraq! You know, that place the GOP leadership lied to us about in order to garner support for war. I'll bet you really believe the, (weapons of mass destruction) actually existed there too. Chances are neither Hollywood, Oprah nor Michael Moore had a direct impact on your life or the life of anyone you know. But, I'll bet you probably won't have to look very far to find someone who hasn't by this war. I'm a vet of 24 yrs. and I admit, (busy work)…, always did piss me off. Afghanistan was justified, Our attention should have never been turned toward Iraq. It was (busy work), and it cost us over 4000 lives. It was a war born out of myth! Had McCain won the election we would probably be at war with Russia over Georgia right now. and the joke that is Sarah Palin would be a heartbeat away. One thing you and I DO agree on though…I would pay the increase too. I just believe 'little' is a relative term. If you're a vet dealing with emotional and psychological issues, or perhaps severe financial hardrship…that same 'little' increase may NOT be so little.
Michael, you need to get educated about the facts and stop listening to the political spins on cable TV and talk show host who are making big money to polarize the country with hate. McCain is still angry about loosing the last election. He needs to get over it and do what is right for this country it's brave defenders. If McCain was President we would be fighting our third war with boots on the ground in Libya. Thanks to President Obama's ingenious thinking we lost no American blood and got our friends to shoulder some of the expense with out being the world's protector. I did my 22 plus years proudly and glad to know my soldier brothers and sisters will be coming home soon.
I assume by "liberal housing" you're referring to CRA. So please answer me this – if CRA caused the housing crisis, how is it that 80% of the failed loans wer by non-CRA institutions?
Sir, I think you took it out of context, the statement made was aimed at the republicans turning and biting the ones that supported them through thick and thin. They love using our military but like to throw us in the trash when finished with us. Like he said, and he's right, the republican party is not the same group of people they were. Nobody here is "liberal" by far. If you support Mr McCain's plan, to cut retirement and hike tricare rates and then you sir need to re-evaluate your political affiliation. You are a retiree, that makes you their enemy.
It is NOT in the best interest of the GOP that President Obama succeed. I like the fact that he finally decided to take it to the people. What I personally find to be really telling is that the nation is being made to suffer even more than it has too be because of the GOP's stance on protecting the 1%. If you are NOT in the 1% and you are supporting the GOP you're screwing yourself.
I am with you, All that you have stated in this message is so truth I have the same message for the people of this country we should go march to Washington DC and let our voices be heard, freedom of speech for the people.
Thank you for "The Real Truth". I'm glad to have found someone who actually gets it. We are thinking along the same lines. I found out some of the answers to your questions regarding "all acting as one". You probabaly figured it out already, but at this point, President Obama, despite his opposing views, has no choice but to go along with the GOP. I'll wait for your reply and fill you in.
BINGO!
Hay, wait a minute, Obama has raised tricare fees with excutive power.
Think again, the GOP is getting more done having him in charge. When talk is brought up about the money owners, they say "no" he says "i tried"
He is doing their dirty work, and they are looking clean.
Mccain and all the others in washington should give up their high pay and free insurance. Compare all theirs to all the militaries pay and retirement and then all will be fair and think of all the savings we would have to give the unions and other overseas(china) operations,plus our debt.
I got a better idea. let's force our elected officials to earn their money and stop paying them those huge lifetime salaries for doing absolutely nothing. $174,000 a year for life and they get huge pay checks for those lame speaking engagements.
Since they don't get the $174K for life, your argument doesn't work.
Please read up on Congressional retirement – the Senate has a good PDF on it. Basically, they have the same retirement system as the Civil Service, and don't collect until age 62. If they serve 20 years, they can collect at 50, but that's the earliest they can collect.
Oh, and they pay for this with cash deductions from their paychecks, they pay into SS, and they pay for their healthcare. Also, unlike us (who theoretically can get 100% after 40 years of service), by law they are limited to 80%. Most never get there – Senator Byrd was probably one of the few who would have been entitled to that.
Congress has a lot of issues, and we should hold them accountable. But let's not castigate them for a falsehood.
Who is McCain and why is he still a Senator, the Man care nothing for the Military only his wife Beer.
I guess McCain feels guilty about his retired O-6 pay and benefits to include his disabled veteran compensation. That with his lucrative job as a politician must be unbearable to his conscience.
I didn't vote for him, I voted for the hopey changey thing. The GOP has become an enemy to the military, especially military retirees. McCain is a disgrace to everyone, to include his father and himself, that ever served on active duty in the U.S. military. Vote all of the bums out. Doesn't matter if their mascot is an elephant or a jackass, they are one in the same.
McCain has thrown the retires to the wolves. We have no one in
Congress to work for the military. Since I can remember no one
has ever stopped Congress from accepting their raises or cutting
their health care.
We poor retires are unable to make a living now. How can we pay
premium for tricare or tricare for life. Our drugs have already increased.
now McCain wants us to pay more. This will cause the 20 year
retiree to have remained in the military (to protect our American
freedom) meaningless.
McCain did not care that the National Guard were sent to Iran, Afganstain
Iraq with many trips (some military serving 6 to 8 trips in years. Not
only those places where we occupy countries Korea, Vietnam ( husband
was there for 2 years. Congress and the Administration care nothing
for the military or their families. He sees the war ending and he
wants to cash in now before we return the men to America.
McCain you are a useless person with no morals (I guess that is
what occupies our government and we keep them in Congress)
but where can we find anyone that has a a consience.
Hungre, jobless, illness is how military is going to return and
McCain see's this and he is afraid he will loose money.
I hope President Obama should VETO that bill.
I will make one statement about our Rep McCane, He better look out for all the Retired military people, we are not dead and there are lot;s of us steel Vote, we have not forgot how to fight if we have got to go to Washington D.C to we are ready to march on your ass if we need to so take heave mr McCane we are watching.
S/SGT Don
U.S.M.C
What is so sickening about this is that Mccain and others like him are in imporant jobs.
What is wrong with this butthole, maybe he should have stayed in north vietnam. I did 22 years and he want to take away what we earned. I say vote all the a–holes out and put in retired military people to do the job that these people can't do….AIRBORNE…………
I agree with you but there is one problem voting them out won't matter because your doesn't matter. The elites that run this country will keep puppets like McCain in office no matter how many people vote them out. Society just refuses to accept that elites run this country not politicians. They are just puppets.
i'm a 100% disabled vet i usually like mccain but this is the worst thing i've heard him say. it's hard trying to raise my 2 kids with the money i get from the va.
I have always thought McCain was an honest decent man but now I see, he has truly shown his colors and they certainly are not for the OD Green.Of course he doesn't care about us poor retirees , he already has his and is sitll getting richer by the day off out tax money as are all of the so called "leaders" in DC. I hope come election time they are all voted out . You never hear of any cuts for any of them, they have theirs so they don't really care about the rest of us who spent the best parts of our lives defending them. I say out with all of them !!!!
I have always known Mcain as asenile old man who has lost his mind! This time he just lost it. Guys from AZ keep this old brat out of politics!!!
I think we the American People should take back our country from these crooked politicians. We have the right to take over the government according to the Constitution. We need to organize ourselves and do what we need to do.
Your right, but you know what I even found out from my district congressman that even now liberals are trying to change the constitution of the UNITED STATES as we speak, so we have no more organizations to protest.
RINO!
"McCain urged the supercommittee to consider restricting working-age military retirees and their dependents from enrolling in TRICARE Prime."
So what if I am a working-age retiree…..
This is something that I earned.
Next we will be charged to use the VA to keep cost down.
I can't believe one of us would say something like that. But then again he is not one of us he was and Officer and it shows. The entire 20 years it was them and us and it will always be that way they take care of them and to hell with us.
That is absolutely ridiculous… if you stay in for 20 years you retire with the same percentage of your pay as an officer does. Turning this into an officer vs enlisted issue shows your immense imaturity and misunderstanding of the issues at hand.
That said, I hope they will make no changes for those already serving. Many who joined the military joined at least in part because of the retirement benefits. No changes should be made for those currently serving. Although it is not legally, it would be effectively a breach of contract. C'mon McCain, what are you thinking???
I have to agree. Why would anyone who served, especially his unfortunate capture, ever push for a reduction of vanishing military benefits ! Let's stop asking military retirees to give up benefits to compensate for " political management " nightmares! Stop Free Trade, and stop sending money to countries whose postal carriers didn't know B. L.and his boys were renting the Condo!!!
McCain is a POS! Was to be dead last in Annapolis class until Daddy Admiral advanced a few others so kid would not be sucking wind. THEN, used the STAR juice to get his DUMBass into Navy Air. ONLY was awarded to top of class till this Puke who should have been billed for the planes he wrecked. Then the SOB after being thrown out of the Hanoi Hilton, trashed his wife and married a rich mans daughter . . . and your surprised he wants to trash the military retirement system!?
Everyone posting a comment should go to the link above after the article and let your elected officials know how you feel. Also tell everyone you know to do the same. The link above automatically lets you send a letter or email to your congressmen in your state and others that you voted for. Let them know how you feel and tell everyone you know to do the same.
Will do. r/
Guest Retired Army
After 30 years of active duty, putting up with all the deployments and putting my family through hell for 30 years this is thanks I get.. McCain should think before he opens his mouth.
I think they need to look at other cost saving measures before taking from our Vets. There are too many folks out there who pay little or no taxes, never served, and receiving a lot of benefits from Uncle Sam.
I agree with you. They should leave the Vets alone. Makes me mad for those people that receiving benefits that didn't do nothing and sitting their BIG FAT ASS, and the government want to take away the Vets benefit so they can give it to them. Its not FAIR.
Retired and sitting U.S Congressman and U.S. Senator who receives free federal medical services should set the example by volunteering to increase enrollment individual fees by 200 per cent by all U.S. Congressman/Senators. To help trim the budget.
Unless Congress has a clear understanding of what budgetary proposals will best serve our nation’s interest, I just don’t see how we can possibly stop them from touching our benefits. We know that Senator McCain supported this, but what we do not know is that he shoved this proposal along with the President’s decision to slash our benefits. McCain’s committee is highly influential and everyone listens to him. I’ve reviewed the facts & circumstances, counted the beans and was shocked to see that there is no room to wiggle. I feel that our President and Congress have been long isolated and detached from reality and have lost their ability to reason. I’ve taken a closer look at the Senator’s record and I am convinced that this man is insane and dangerous. Let’s pray for a miracle.
Lets get rid of these quacks who want to cut our military benefits, Then cut their pay and benefits and see how they like it.
Every November is the time to remove the reals time liars who claim they are friends of the military and vote them out of office. Text, Twitter, Google, and Email friends to remove these liars in public office.
Congress receives more and better benefits then anyone one else in the USA. They receive these benefits while in congress and after they retire. For those of us who have giving up so much of our personal life to service in the military we are receiving a small token for putting our lives on the line. For a lot of military serving has effected our health and family for ever. We must pass drug tests all the time. It should be that anyone receiving federal or state help should have to go thourgh some of the same requirements that we had to. Even Congress should have to may be that would weed out some of them. It looks like that want to cut the military so that we can support all of those that will not serve or work for a living.
Whenever the Government cuts a deal with a group, that group, (in this case we retirees), should always reflect upon, and expect the same eventual treatment as experienced by the American Indians. A great rule of thumb IMHO.
I use to like McCain. Thoughts are changing hard on that!!
Hey – here's an idea I've not heard talked about by politicians as far as debt and budget control goes: after their stint in office ends, so does their income; they should pay into social security; cutting back on their benefits; eliminate numerous government offices (there's alot of them we'd never miss); sell off the billions of dollars of vacant mismanaged real estate owned by the government paid for by us; etc etc etc. Problem solved!!
I am tired of this BS. They are going to hit those that can least afford to pay more fee and penalties. For the last two years we have not received a COLA and now Senator McCain wants to stick it up our ass. He is a sick man. What about asking the Congress to pay more for their health care? We now pay a higher co-pay on prescriptions effective October 1 and McCain want to increase it even higher. The Obama administration apparently doesn't like the military because they don't donate to his campaign so now he wants to penalized those that have save his ass, literally. Those of us who were promised free heath care for life and retired with that in mind are now being screwed again. I hope you rot in hell McCain.
Why don't Sen Mccain and his Sen buddies cut their benefits Which are much the same we retires get. Most of them never served so the don't know what many of us have really earned. john CMSGT USAF RETIRED
Why are you consistently cutting benefits for the middle class retirees and not the former presidents and congress. Why should they receive the salaries they did while in service, but continue to bring stress of the lower class. One question is anyone going to read these comments or will they just sit on the internet for those of us to read.
If all this talk is true;We can all ways hope an pray that; we the people; will send him an others like him home this up coming election, I would hope someone could find a way to stop his retirement an/ or cut benefits as well.(after he to has earned them). Mr. McCain / Obama,anyone serving this country( ie:law maker) that would take away from those whom have served this country in any branch of the military. we the people will remember you come election day.we wont need you in our government services any longer. one by one we will send you home .
sgt.RAC.retired
lets vote them all out, i do not understand why are they proposing to cut some of the military benefits especially the retirees. You all deserve this benefits because you work so hard and you all earned it. The one that needs to be cut are them they dont even look at their side, they always see the military. What does need to be done to pay their share too? Not just the military retirees? I am just concerned that before we know it they will take away all the benefits we have.
Hurray to you. I hope all the people vote him out of office. The veterans are the ones who gave him his freedom (which he seems to have forgotten), Make McCain pay a #200. deductable on his insurance, cut his pay and all his other perks and see what a different song he will be singing. These Politicians make me sick. It's time to get rid of them
T. Brodeur. Military spouse.
Mr. McCain is no friend of the military. All sitting and retire U.S. Senators receives free Federal Medical Services that for by the U.S. Govt. They should set the example by taking a cut in services they received. The current retire and sitting U.S. Senator; family member do not pay any co-payments..
I believe it's pretty simple; Limit terms, and do not pay medical and retirement to office holders. Bring back the intent of our forefathers. Make political office a privilege, not a career.
I do not get why the veterans that served this country have to be the ones that take the cuts. They are the ones fighting for our country time and time again. So what if they have another job… Does that mean they should have to get insured there and pay more. NO WAY! Let's take a look at this again. I have to say that I am SHOCKED that this came from John McCain. Very sad.
McCain said he wanted to be in Iraq for 100 years in the 08 campaign, yet he want's to charge Veterans for TRICARE… As a Veteran, i cannot believe he supports this… If you fight in a foreign war, you should be taken care of, point blank… I support Ron Paul, the only Veteran in the race… He would never need damage control like Mccain…
I think mccain is part of the political game i.e. Chosen for the republican ticket, chose a noname for running mate, constantly became a doormate at all the debates, so humble,,, talking about "my friend" who may have been his friend but not the friend of the American for America people. I believe he sold us out to another noname that has consequently sold out the entire United States of America all in the name of power, which the US had until Obama became President of the greatest nation in the world, and has so readily gone before other nations (not allies) and denegrated America at every opportunity.
The Republican party will never receive a dime or word of support from me as I think they knew exactly that McCain was a weak-kneed, money-hungry,give- the- power-away candidate who could also at the same time draw viewers to the tv so sponsors could make money. Women like mccain and was also admired by the serving military and the retired military. He may have stayed with his men as a pow but he is now a pow to the power hungry self-serving, elected by the people, and making all of us pow's against our will. So screw mccain and "his friends" as he is so willing to screw those who serve and have served in the name of freedom.
I think this is ABSOLUTELY shameful. We are willing to tell the brave men and women of this country who risk their lives for 20 years, that their sacrifice just wasn't good enough. At the same time we are saying if you sever just 4 years in the white house you will be taken care of for life. Where have morals in this country gone. I am sad to see that vets are going to be treated this way. This could be one quick way to require a draft.
It is time for all military retirees to march on and occupy Washington DC!
Date and time, Obama is destroying America from within, the Trojan Horse in the White House.
Shame. After exploiting his military background in his bid for the presidency, Senator McCain now turns his back on the military veteran and betrays us. Notice he does not argue for a reduction in his health care benefits or those of the rest of the senators and congressmen/women who have spent a lifetime at the public trough. Shame on those who proclaim their support for the military while they stab us in the back.
Of course he's okay with it. He's got that nice big fat plump congressional salary/medical/retirement plan. He's not dependent on what we're dependent on, BUT I don't see him making recommendations on cutting down he and his peers congressional benefits. Easy to make recommendation cuts on things that don't affect you. If you didn't know he had served, you'd never guess he had any affiliation with the military.
Disgusting. Obama knows that he never had the support of the military, which he only thinly disguises his repugnance for. So, he doesn't risk losing the support he never had on election day. He won't touch other govt or teacher union benefits however, some of which have shameful pensions and health coverage benefits that none of them ever earned risking their life for, as our military has and does today. As for McCain–how he can turn around and doublecross his soldiers in arms who earn the benefits and retirement–is beyond me…
What candidate has raised the most money in fundraising for the 2012 election? The answer is Obama. Who has raised the most from active military? Obama! The most of any candidate. Explain that.
why do we keep staying in afgan.we have nothing to gain but hard critisizing from their leaders.we cause that 400 million a week to take care of our military and a lot of other things.our deficit is going crazy so come on leaders lets get smart and do the right thing and get out now.its not going to change anything if we stay.we pulled out of vietnam and look at them now.our HEROES need to come home.As for john mcCane.its time for him to go.vote him out.THANKS a vietnam vet.
This is absolutely disgusting! I am a U.S. Marine, and for one know that military members sacrifice more than any other sector of the government. Now we must suffer once again to the greedy self endulgent pigs of office… There are other ways to cut rather than hurting our military; which is the reason this nation is as great as it is today! No obamacare and no obama, for this next election. Notice the lack of capitalization… it's my lack of respect for out supposed "Leader of the Free World"… why don't we just get rid of the military as a whole? Let China and N. Korea take over… see how much they beg for our military then… ignorant pigs.
I support you 100%. I am requesting a petition from congress against this debacle. If you know of a petition which is already in action, please let the public know. Every person I know, would sign it.
Thank you military men and women!!
The reason this country isn't great isn't the military, hate to break it to you. It's been a great nation because it was one where people were treated fairly and not given preference because they were born into money. Now this country is going to hell because of the Republican party and their constant enabling of the rich. You can't cut taxes during a war, especially 1.2 trillion dollars worth of them. Unfortunately too many people are blind to the truth and would rather blame our president who's fixed a lot of the problems rather than look at the real issues. You may be a marine, and I didn't capitalize that on purpose, but you're certainly not a patriot because you obviously don't care about what is best for this country.
Congress members get free coverage or at a deferred rate, their children do not have to repay student loans and they vote themselves pay increases every year. I understand cuts need to be made and I can almost agree with some of them, However if were are going to start with money saving ideas how about we start with a body that should make no laws that do not include them (per Constitution) before we attack the military and their families. <—just my two cents
Please learn the truth – none of what you say of Congress is true.
Congressional health care is FEHBP, Congressional retirement is FERS. They have chosen since 2009 to freeze theri pay. In addition, their children who take student loans, like all who take student loans, are subject to repayment, and the debt cannot be discharged and they are vulnerable to garnishee of their wages.
Also, they are subject to the laws of the land, and placed themselves under most of the employment laws back in the 1990's. Recently they ensured they were subject to insider trading.
We can criticize Congress for many things, but if we're going to talk to Congress (who controls the budget, appropriations, and spending, per Article I of the Constitution), we better have our facts straight.
NDAA 2012 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h11…
"Title VII – Health Care Provisions
Subtitle A – Improvements to Health Benefits
Section 701 –
Expresses the sense of Congress that: (1) career military personnel and their families endure unique and extraordinary demands and make extraordinary sacrifices over the course of a 20-30 year career, and (2) those decades of sacrifice constitute a significant pre-paid premium for health care during a career member's retirement that is over and above what the member pays with money. Limits, beginning with FY2012, the increase in the annual DOD patient enrollment fees to the percentage by which retired pay is increased."
Not everyone in the military has it so rough…..I have many friends who served in the military and did not have horrible stressful jobs and who retired after 20 years of service. My friends men and women talk about the great experiences that they had, now granted these people were not in combat. Now there should be certain veterans who possibly should be able to retire after 20 years and that would be veterans who were in combat. Most veterans never come near combat and have jobs just like other Americans AND they Leon Panetta
I was one of those who didn't serve in combat. I served hundreds of feet beneath the sea, maintaining the stability of the world against the threat of nuclear war. Between the reactor and missiles, sailing underneath hurricanes and through months away from my wife and son, I took non-combat risks very few people would even consider.
I've never been in combat. I've never seen friends die in front of me. I've never fired my M-16 at an enemy. I've never encountered a Jihadist up close and personal. I've never stood a post wondering if there's a sniper round coming for me. But I've listened to mortars and RPG's fly over my head while tucked "safely" inside the base perimeter fence for 6 months at a stretch (twice) without my family, missing Christmas (twice), thanksgiving (twice), countless birthdays between my son and my daughter and wife and mom and dad and sister. Local nationals that have served my food have been later found to be a Jihadist reporting information back to their friends. I've built bombs that would crater an entire football field, I've loaded 30 mike mike on an trailer heading out to the A-10 that is ready to fly a close air support mission in support of army or marine troops that are pinned down just outside the village they just cleared. I've put missiles on planes that blew up radar sites that were targeting our aircraft. I've loaded counter measures into canisters that, if not properly grounded, and they go off for some reason, would kill me and my crew instantly through suffocation because they burn so hot and so fast they suck all the oxygen out of the air.
I've also sat a desk and planned inspection cycles for military equipment, sat at another desk and worked for the safety of others that were out doing the back breaking, knuckle bending, HAZARDOUS, duty that I used to do.
So Jen, while you have your opinion and are entitled to speak it, until you've walked in my boots and worn my uniform and missed a few holidays and birthdays, and know the hazards we deal with on a day-to-day basis (behind a desk or no), don't tell me or any other military member what our service is worth. I know what I was PROMISED by the government and the govn't me told me what they thought my service and sacrifice was worth and I agreed.
Military service requires sacrafices away from family and when frequently called, long days, without weekends. Pay and benefits is provided as a package. Years of reduced pay compared to civilian pay without additional compensation for 12-16 hours shifts/7 days a week is part of the deal. Service members who accept the duty and are able to maintain that sacrafice for 20+ years need to be remembered. Unless you serve, you will not be considered qualified to fully understand that sacrafice. Many can't serve for 20 years for life in the military is too hard for them.
To reduce the benefits of those WHO'VE ALREADY SERVED is DISHONORABLE. I made my sacrifices with two things foremost in my mind. Firstly, I believe in the integrity of the ideals our country is founded on. Secondly, I weighed the sacrifices against the investment in the future of my family and I. That investment was made IN GOOD FAITH. How is it our nation can bail out a business, but cannot make good on promises made to men and women kept this country safe and prosperous?
Mr. McCain, can you donate part of your money perks to me? You see, I am a poor infantry marine/army retiree who retired after 34 years of service as an E-7. Iam sure that if you would donate some of that money of yours to me I would be glad to have it. You'll probably be getting paid for retirement from the service, a Ho Chi Min Hotel stipend, a Congressman retirement check, a VA Compensation Check, other benefits beffiting your Congresional services. a DELTA Dental Plan, and choice of a Health Care Benefits Plan in between Tricare for Life and your Congresional Civilian Health Plan.I hpe you choose to stay in our great Tricare For Life plan.I know that there are other perks that you will dip into. No I am not talking about your wife's Heinz's Empire. There is only peanuts on that one. HOORA! HOOA!
The Mythical John McCain
by Beak Atkinson, USN – Retired http://www.newtotalitarians.com/index_files/TheMy…
Beak refers to a good friend of mine in the item above… Col. Ted W. Guy, USAF (Ret) Former PoW/SRO – and does a comparison story here:
Lieutenant Colonel Theodore (Ted) Guy, USAF©
A Biography http://www.newtotalitarians.com/index_files/WhoWa…
Ted was McCains SRO at The Plntation NVA PoW Camp.
Come on Folks. Let's not get our panties in a wad. This is nothing new. Every administration since 1980 has tried (and failed) to get this through Congress. If you ask me it's the career buracrats at the Pentagon behind it.
LETS ALL QUIT SITTING ON OUR ASSES AND GET ALL THESE CROOKS OUT OF OFFICE. I SAY JOHN McCAIN IS AS MUCH A THIEF AS THE REST OF THEM THE ONLY DIFFERENCE HE WAS PAID TO TURN HIS BACK ON HIS FELLOW MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM. THAKS YOU SIR FROM ALL OF US WHO CONTINUE TO BEAR THE BURDEN.
The US government does not care about military personal. i joined and had to get out because getting dep status for a dependent was not an option. So it was serve and suffer or not serve at all. When you join constant threats are made against you that you will be prosecuted for anything and everything. It seems to me they dont want a military force. The CO's all act as if they are gods and I guess they are. If you are thinking about joining I have advice for you DONT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I did and your recruiters are lieing to you. Join and you will find out!!!! Run as fast as you can away. Its a sham trsut me.
To think they want to have a war in IRAN! what a joke. Who is gona fight it? Mccaine? Until vets and citizens are treated as valuable people in the ranks there wont be anyone to fight it at all. Its a sham. If you do join and you do fight you could constatnly be under the threat of criminal proescution for ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Once again US Army will safe USA…..LMAO! Don't forget to send DVDs "DO IT YOURSELF scissors and scalpel included". I thought that is why Soldiers were getting broken, burned, going to war, not see theirs kids and spouses for some time, sleep in mud, not eating well, jumping from airplanes and etc. to get those benefits for life! And statistic shows that retiree do not live long because of all those injuries and stress. They already in 90s took away dental benefits for spouses and children. Maybe I don't understand something…. but I see government want to screw totally military folks. Well, then in this Case IS IT GIVES RIGHTS TO RETIRED VETERANS TO SUE GOVERNMENT FOR INJURIES WERE DONE DURING SERVING IN US ARMY?