The U.S. is about to hit the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling. All indications are that Congress and the President are not even close to any deal to raise the spending limit. The impact of hitting the debt ceiling is not fully known, but one thing is for sure, military pay is once again in the cross hairs.
The Department of Treasury website reads: “If Congress fails to increase the debt limit, the government would have to stop, limit, or delay payments on a broad range of legal obligations, including Social Security and Medicare benefits, military salaries, interest on the national debt, tax refunds, and many other commitments.” [You can bet VA Disability Compensation, Veterans Pension and military retirement pay are included in that list.]
That pretty much says it all.
One thing is for sure, had Congress passed the Ensuring Pay for Our Military Act at least our servicemembers would not be dealing with the fear of no-payday, again. A proposition that I find disgusting, especially with our military currently fighting battles all over the Middle East.
Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) introduced the Senate version of the Ensuring Pay for our Military Act (S.721) in April of this year. Hutchison describes her bill as “simple and straightforward legislation [that] ensures that in the event of a government shutdown over budget issues, our nation’s servicemen and women would continue to receive their pay on time and in full.” Seems simple enough. Well then, why hasn’t it passed either the House (HR. 1297) or the Senate yet?
I think we all know why – brinksmanship. I wrote about this last April when they did the same thing over the budget deadline (see Military Pay Held Hostage). Military pay is once again being used as a political tool to create added urgency to the situation. A political game of chicken, whoever flinches first, looses.
Enough is enough! Contact your elected officials and tell them to take Military Pay off the table, for good!
sickening. i can't remember a time when this has happened twice in one year..scratch that 6 months. wtf?
I can't remember when we've had an a$$hole (Liar/Traitor/Socialist/Ruiner) like Obonzo before. Someone needs to shake him like a baby and break his f$$king neck. He is waaaaaaaaaaaaay overdue for a blanket party.
why is it that they want to put more families out on the street. Why don't they all take a paycut and leave the military, va pensions, and social security benefits alone. This is not how our officials which we have elected should be doing those who have served their country.
Regards,
Abe
This is a sad day we fight for this country, die for it and what dose the government do for us! but give tax payer money away to the rich companies so they can go on vacation and so they can have us bend over and tack another one in the backside, because they got payed and we hosed!!!!!
Carla, this isn't twice in 6 months, it's the same thing. Last time it was over this same crap! It's just that they got a deadline extension until August 2. The truth is that our officials in Washington have forgotten who and what is important. I don't know who put the bug in their ear that our military personnel are expendable, but that idea is simply disgusting! I completely agree with Abe's reply to your comment!
Our elected leaders are increasingly people who've never served their country. Politicians always go for the jugular in scare talk: Republicans want to take granny's false teeth and give them to some millionaire and Democrats want to turn their back on those who have served their country while maintaining absurd salary and benefit packages for their faithful union folks.
They only care about themselves and getting re-elected. This is by far the worst Congress we have ever had in our Nation's history.
While it's true that they care about getting re-elected…. they also care about whether or not this administration gets defeated in 2012. I must say, I do too! This may be one of the worst, but it is not the worst Congress. This Administration, however, has got to be the worst. These people, who have made wealth in the good old capitalist way, which they needed in order to get elected (try being poor and getting elected) vilify business while reaping it's rewards. Then they make decisions based on the 1960s ideals of socialism espoused by the 1960s student radicals, when they have no understanding about capitalism and finances. Consider this… in the 1990s, Canada was in the same shape we are today. Now they are a shining example of growth. Instead of doing nothing but cite the Canadian healthcare system, why doesn't this Congress look to the north for advice on how they turned things around?
It is the worst Congress because YOU, not I, have elected the worst
president in the history of the United States.
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Strange, I didn't know the President appointed Congress. Here I thought my votes for congress and senator were what chose them.
retiree is so with it! good come back! The congress is not appointed by the PRES. I was raised to believe no matter who our President is, he was elected by the people, if we don't agree with his ideas, he's still our Pres. and as a country we should support him. You can't have it your way all the time, just be sure to goto the polls in the next election. Me personally, I'll vote the same as I did the last time. You won't have to be real smart to figure out who I voted for Dennis!!!!!
So, you think G.W.Bush was a really good president? Wake up and smell the blood that was spilt in his Iran war. For all the people who think it's just the Democrat's fault, wake up!! But be that as it may, look at history. How many wars has this country been in that we really didn't need to be there in the first place? And were they funded by Congress? How much money is our elected representatives giving to countries who just don't like us? How many politicians have said they will not accept pay if everybody else must go without compensation? Let's not forget all the stuff that falls under the "bridge to nowhere" group. Soaringeagle is correct- politicians only think of themselves and the extreme wealthy that pour money into their re-elections.
Congress, past and present, has raided the Social Security Fund and made it defunct, got us into several wars where we had NO BUSINESS going, and spent money like it was growing on trees in an orchard. The President, also past and present, while not singlehandedly guilty by himself, isn't totally blameless because he can either sign these bills or veto them back to Congress.
As for the current situation, personally, I blame the newly elected REPUBLICANS for the stalemate. They REFUSE to negotiate raising taxes and cutting subsidies to the oil and gas companies that are reporting RECORD PROFITS. You CANNOT balance a budget this huge by cuts to domestic programs alone. They need to increase income by raising taxes and cutting subsidies to companies and industries THAT ARE MAKING RECORD PROFITS, they don't NEED THE GOVERNMENT HANDOUT!
THE IRAN WAR WAS GOOD PRESIDENT BUSH PERSONAL WAR.
WE HAD NO BUSINESS IN IRAN IN THE FIRST PLACE. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN VIETNAM. WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE THE WORLD POLICE? WE WOULD SAVE ALOT OF MONEY,AND BE SELF SUPPORTING IF WE WOULD LET THESE IDIOTS IN FORIEGN COUNTRIES FIGHT THEIR OWN WAR.
When exactly did President Bush invade Iran? Glad you highlighted your ignorance with all caps though
You are delusional and not to mention have a very short memory.
i don't think he is the worst president , he is doing a great job ,take in consideration you're last president bush now that was a joke!
The house of representatives has the responsibility to introduce budgetary legislation and they have decided to take the route of fiscal responsibility. The rest of government had better get with the program. The president is going to have to prioritize his spending to make ends meet, just like you or I would. The fact that he appears to have chosen to prioritize the military and social security low is telling. The fact that he is trying to make the house of representatives look boad is also telling
Finally, the fact that he (the president) has said that we, the public , should pay less attention to the details of what is going on in washington should make all our ears perk up.
From President Obama at a press conference:
“Let me distinguish between professional politicians and the public at large. You know, the public is not paying close attention to the ins and outs of how a Treasury auction goes. They shouldn’t. They’re worrying about their family, they’re worrying about their jobs. They’re worrying about their neighborhood. They have got a lot of other things on their plate. We’re paid to worry about it. Source: http://costonscomplaint.blogspot.com/2011/07/bitt…
Much as I am not a fan of the President, it appears from your quote he was saying that the public has other priorities rather than spending all our time focusing on this. It would seem he wants us to focus on it now – just taking his word that he has been the serious deficit reducer from the start.
That's the not-so-funny part.
I think we should fire all of them the first chance we get. This would send the kind of message all of them would understand.
I'd like to know just what our politicians are giving up. So far as I can tell, I don't see anything. Once they get voted in, they tend to forget who they actually work for.
I agree and I think is time to clean out house
Don't omit the postering egotist squatting in the White House (if not golfing) bankrupting our nation with his share the wealth socialist views,or the senate led by an idiot with exactly the same views !!……………
We need a new head of state.
Actually, I would refer you to a book written in 1914 by Barbar Tuchman called "The Guns of August". I think you will agree that our government is once again playing chicken. Exactly how we got into World War I. I agree with you about having the worst Congress by far, so why does everyone keep voting the same people in over and over. And what difference would it make. I have never know of a Politician in the game for The People. It is all about Greed. Who is on top?
Why is military.com only concerned with only military pay when you stop to think that Military men are just one bullet or one land mine a way from becoming a Vet?
Another thing why do Military and Vets have to be first in line while thing like foreign aid is not touched. This administration must prove to its dedication to American’s Vets by putting them last on the list to be cut.
This president has lived in a lavish style since moving in to the White House. The same thing can be said for the leadership of Congress.
The following will give some indication of we got to this point in history.
Sykes–Picot Agreement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_…
Personally i favor a plan that would pay ploiticians at the average income of the voters in their district, might get them to care a little more about the people they represent.
add the president to that list!!!
You are so right sir…I just hope all the voters out there remembers these NUTS!
Wonderful article!!! Now you are a person with something of substance to write about. You should write all the paycheck chronicle articles. Instead of that Kate person. She seems a bit slow, on what to write about. And it turns out to be stupid dribble. July 15th pay predictions please…..we already knew we were gonna get paid on july the 15th she needs to write about something else. maybe they need to stick her on something else. she seems good for a make up article thats about it. kudos on the article.
LUSK,WY 12:33AM. I want 2 know if that also means the congress and the senators ( WILL ) not get their pay checks as well ? After all they senators make $ 1,230.000 a year; and the average congressmen makes $ .,960.000 year; that's not including what the LOBBIES STUFF into their pockets .
I believe if they want to be able to get the budget then quit with talking of cutting social security and medicare for the elderly and disabled quit talking cutting school budgets quit talking about cutting or delaying all forms of military pay INSTEAD WHY DON'T THE PRESIDENT AND ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS CUT THEIR PAY BACK TO WHAT WAS PAID IN 1970 THEN THEY MAY KNOW HOW OUR SENIORS VETERANS AND CHILDREN FEEL LIVING ON LITTLE OR NO INCOME . GET REAL OBAMA ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS NEED A CUT IN PAY BY AT LEAST 40%
that would only work if they didn't have taxpayer dollars to pay for every aspect of thier personal lives, scandles, and vacations/golf outings.
I most definitely agree with you! I honestly do not think there is a debt problem I think they want to pocket more of our money ” GREED”, and they just keep telling us this because that’s what they want us to believe.
Pretty much everyone in congress is independently wealthy. Cutting their pay would only make them more easily influenced by lobbyist.
I favor a plan where the politicians get the average income of the voters in their district, no COLA and no raises, computed each year.
Honestly, not near enough money there even if the politicians worked for free. We did make too many promises we couldn't keep on Medicare, etc. What people paid in doesn't cover 40% of their medical care costs and the program is unsustainable as it is. Until we recognize that and change it so that there is some support left for those who need it, it is going to bankrupt the country. A good start might be phasing about benefits with means testing so we still have the social safety net for the poor but don't subsidize the well off so much.
what they need to do is stop giving $$ to people who never worked a day in their lives. Or come from other countries & collect benefits when they NEVER paid in!!!!
We should NOT support "professional" welfare seekers that will not work for a living. Support ONLY those that are truly in need of help. The "poor" or "homeless" have never created a job except for govrnment to take care of them. Hard "working" people create jobsand become well off because of it. DO NOT punish success!
OK, the VA does that now, it seems to work for them.
I agree with you they all need to take a cut and give us what we have worked hard for. they all need to be replace when their time is up and also they do not need to get anything when they are out of there. They all need to get out of there and get them a job. It should a term on them alos no more then 8 years they are out of there with nothing
YOU GO GIRL!!! I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF!! THAT HAS BEEN MY THOUGHTS FOR YEARS.
AMEN to that!!!
My husband poo poos that, but they need to 'feel' what everyone else is going thru. PLUS, bring back the 'outsoursed' jobs so WE can feed, clothe our families.
Right on Patricia. You hit the nail right on the small, small head. Nuff said. Thanks, A pissed off Vietnam veteran.
if the cut spending to our senior citzens and disabled vets then they should stop their pay as well until they can come together and cut loop holes and other waste that we all know about.they should stop all pay including the president and all the people voting for this un called foe on both parties.they are responsible for all this including the president.stop this nonsense now and act responsibility.jack jarvis
I agree with you. Our officials get paid an absurd amount of money to talk about how to make the poor, poorer. If they would stop $300 haircuts and all the ridulous spending they are doing and bring the soldiers home and stop tearing up other countries and rebuild ours maybe we could get out of debt.
I agree that elected officials should take a pay cut. I keep watching for the president to announce or at least address this. Where would our country be, save the veterans and their allegence to the US. Shame on our government for not stepping up to the plate to help our country in bad economic times!!!!!!! Of course they don't have to worry about where their next meal is going to come from.
I totally agree! I am tired of being scared to death that I will have nothing to buy food with come August 1 because the "government" can't get their heads screwed on straight. Why don't they try living on what we as seniors or the disabled or the military get instead of their inflated salaries and benefits that they NEVER LOSE. I'm sick of it.
Its not the president its these new freshman rebublicans who just want to cut, they don't care they sign some pledge that they just want to cut and won't increase tax on the nation 1% nor oil company, so talk to the tea party that has infiltrated the GOP and these peoplle are extreme right.
The elected officials work for the tax payers, who pay their income! Do your job or get out! Like Mr. Trump would say "YOUR FIRED"! You all get payed too much , and do so little! We need people that will work and not sit back and do nothing in office!
also stop paying these President $100,000.00 every year when they leave office let them go fine a job,but no we have to pay them and people to watch them we wast over million of dollar just thier
i have never in my life seen so much rhetoric of taking from the military and the people who have put most of their lives into social security.this congress,government(all of it,from police persons up)get raises when taxpayers pay it.as everyone should know big businesses don't pay taxes and as leone helmsley put so eloquently "rich people don't pay taxes".so that leaves you know who to pay all of the salaries and debts.i think the "we the people"should buy a new washing machine and clean our government who sleeps with the ones who are stealing from us,and giving themselves what and how much for themselves.as with the bank financial system the government is separating the rich from the poor farther and farther.does this sound like other countries we read about?but WE all have contributed to our own welfare that is eroding for the benefit of those in high places.
AMEN!!
It all seems to me that our congress has took on their own terror attacks… Only instead of bombs and planes flying into buildings, they want to use money due to Military Families as a scare tactic to try and accomplish their own ideas of what needs to happen to solve the debt issue.
Does the Military not have a sworn duty to defend against all enemies, both forgein and domestic?
CONGRESS: stop scring these young military families by threating to hold their income from them!
i think its the same domestic enemy that would tell us what defines a domestic enemy.
How do we get this to happen? (put normal people in Congress, not SILVER spoon fed IDIOTS!!!) There the educated IDIOTS that put us in this war!
Yes the military has a sworn duty to defend against all enemies both foreign and domestic. Congress has taken the same oath. The domestic enemy to this country is sitting in the Oval office. Maybe it is time the military marched on Washington and led that imposter out in hand cuffs. It is all a scare tactic as the money coming in is more than adaquate to cover all the benefits being paid out.
BobVelon you are putting the blame in the wrong place. Congress is the one holding all of us hostage, every since the debt ceiling was put in place the congress increased it and didn't use it as a Potitical Football.Obama isn't very good but good old "W" got us in the mess we're in now, with all of his unfunded wars and the really stupid prescription drug plan he strong armed through his Republican Congress. LAY THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS ON ALL OF THOSE ELECTED TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF THE US NOT JUST A GROUP OF FAT CATS
This really just aggravates me my fiancé is in the us army and fights for this country and gets deployed and the government doesn’t wanna make sure there soldiers are payed that should be the number one people to be paying on there list! If you don’t pay our soldiers you think they r gunna wanna fight for free or reenlist if the country needs them congress make a damn decision and ensure our military gets paid so they can fight for you so you can keep doing your job and getting paid more then what you should.. How about you and the president who ever makes over 200,000 dollars a year in the government take a big ol pay cut or not get paid they can afford it military families can’t! Oh I swear what this country is coming to I’m just not really liking
If this country was really in danger, would you want to fight for free?
The President makes $400,000 a year plus unlimited expenses.
You know what sence the new yahoo got into office he now gets 400000.
pay would be fine on august 1st right?? And i am pretty sure they won't let it lapse for 2 weeks so august 15th should be ok as well. I am not seeing the scary thing here? the odds of them still without a debt celing on the 15th are kind of slim..once the damage starts to happen they will want to fix it.
I am more worried about those on social security whose checks normally go out on the 3rd.
the scary thing here is..some of us have kids to feed…
You must not be military. When you are military and in a military family and one of your loved ones is in Afghanistan or Iraq for a year or more at a time…they have their own everyday stresses to worry about and should not have to worry about their pay check not coming in on time or at all and what kind of effects it will have on their spouses and kids. Our men and women already are not getting the dwell time they deserve between deployments to readjust and prepare for the next one, they do not need any more stress because this leads to PTSD.
The problem is that Soldiers in harm's way will be worried about the potential impact on their families back home when they should be focused on the threat. It already happened when LESes were sent out showing a reduced paycheck pending before the narrowly averted govt shutdown. Do we really want to risk service people dying because this distracts them? We can take it off the table if we pass legislation prioritizing military pay.
You must not realize how many military families live paycheck to paycheck. One missed check means no groceries, no gas, no rent, no bills paid. It's a big deal. Add to that the stress of deployment and it's a one-two punch.
Dwain is right. 1 AUG is pay day for Vets and AC. Also, the military has neve not been paid.
I am a Gulf war disable vet 100%, I have many health issues, went to court this feb and was awarded SS, I don't work because of my health issues, I live on my retirement, I did get medically discharge after 20yrs, my dissability , and SS so if these young tea party freshman don't signed the debt ceiling, I will be out because all my bills and my house mortage is paid by the government,. I just wish we had the draft again maybe some of these people would think twice before they just hold this country hostage because they don't want a tax increase on the top 1% or as the president said he will take a tax increase but the extreme right tea party don't want any tax increase, they thinks its okay to let this country default, this country also includes its citizen that fought for their freedom that does infuriate me because I was fighting war while they were in school.
Who here wants to pay higher taxes?
We all need to pay higher taxes, and now.
No, we need to cut spending, and now. Government needs to act repsonsibly, and that means cutting spending until spending is less than income. And I hope you were being sarcastic.
Nothing is stopping you from sending more of your money to the IRS. I already give the guvmint too much money that they turn around and waste.
No need for higher taxes. What we need is MORE tax payers. How you say, let start by getting rid of the welfare queens. Start limiting hand-outs to those that do not want to work and find it easier to just rid the gravy train called uncle sam. Lastly, and this is something the GOV can not control, no matter how hard they try, More jobs. This is up to the companies and BIG corps to do.
Paying Higher Taxes is not the issue – Paying higher taxes so that those incompentents in Washington can "waste and mis-use" them is the issue. To continue increasing the debt without SIGNIFICANT cuts is ludicrous. Unfortunately this administration (repubs, dems, tea baggers, et-al.) are only in it for themselves and re-election. No One has the balls to do what's necessary
Does anyone watch NOT Fox News? Raising taxes is not the issue…repealing the Bush era tax cuts is what is on the table, and considering that our unemployment is higher than it was when the cuts were enacted, one would infer that such a strategy DID NOT CREATE NEW JOBS!! Yet the "wealthy elite" are still benefiting from them..Spending has increased because more Americans are hitting retirement age, we are fighting 2 wars, frivolous law suits continue to drive up medical costs, and we had to bail out the banks for doing shady business with OUR money!!! Really, fellow warfighters..when did y'all offer up such blind support to the jet setters??..they're not getting their hands bloody for our country..
Who here wants to be overrun by our enemies because of failure to provide complete and absolute support in every way for our military? What are you Trojan, Stupid?
No, According to the constatution every citizen should own a gun and be ready to serve in the milita in time of crises, who would be stupid enough ti try to invade?
Who on here makes over $250,000? To claim that anyone on here would make enough to actually have their taxes raised is just the sort of BS that is enabling the neo-tea-cons to keep pulling this sort of CRAP!
I agree that govt. spending, including,but not limited to, waste and salaries,is the way to fix most of this mess. But I must say, "We the people" keep electing the same bufoons over and over and over…And,being pragmatic,realize that it ain't gonna happen. Sad but true. So what options are left? Where will the $$ come from to set this right. Us. "We the people" are the only choice. We have ignored history and it's comin' back with big sharp fangs. Prepare to be mawled.
If the ENTIRE government (even the federal janitors) took a 2-5% decrease in pay, I would (military) would have no problems with taking a pay cut either. More money is always a good thing, but having a country to fight for is more important.
Yeah well you know what? Why should the Military Families who barely get enough to survive have to take a 2-5% decrease. I say that is absolutely STUPID!! Let Congress and the President and the leaders who are making us (Military Families) suffer take the pay cuts. My husband is overseas fighting for the US and the DUMBA$$ leaders in Congress and the Senate and the President are threatening his pay AGAIN…what does that say about them?
I agree with you…Actually, All Politicians have so much money, they should be able to "Give Up" a months pay. Where would our debt be then? Like I always said to people, "All politicians MUST serve in the Armed Forces before speaking on the country's behalf.
We are doing our part already. Pending defense bills in both housing are upping our contributions to our health care (that was supposed to be free for life) and increasing it by CPI every year in the future.
Bull Sh*# , if they would just stop paying people to have babys and this EIC thing what the hell is that. Earn what the hell did they earn? Really think about it. It's nice if you are getting it BUT just how was it earned? You had baby's and did not make the amount of money the Gov. thinks you should???
It's hard to see when they have there head up the a**.
thanks for getting me stsrted today.
have a good day
hey o.man, whats ur rank if i may ask? cuz if you're an e6 or below, ur preachin to a brick wall, period. there should be NO talk about a paycut when this country is engaged in 2.5 fruitless money draining wars with no committed or tangible exit strategy ANYWHERE in sight. its been that way for 11 yrs now and the idiots in congress will keep riding the same political hamster wheel for the forseeable future.u wanna start cuttin pay on military tables, hit the officers 05,06 and up.there are too many generals sucking up taxpayer money.u wanna make a change that can actually "bend" this federal deficit, cut 1K from every congressmans salary.its a guaranteed solution, it just requires officials with big enough kahones to implement.
That janitor most likely makes mor money then the average soldiar too and can afford the pay cut .
Higher taxes mean higher unemployment. When taxes are low and spending is low. All the White House and Congress has been doing is playing with people's live in order to stay in office, and keep knocking at our rights and liberties.
which explains the high unemployment in the 50's (90% top rate) and 60's (70% top rate).
In both cases, the actual tax rate was much lower than it would be if the current tax rates expire because the top rate applied to a much smaller set of people who found all kinds of loopholes to reduce their effective tax rate (just like corporations do now), The current proposals are to raise marginal tax rates and eliminate those deductions/exemptions at the same time leading to a higher effective tax rate once state and local taxes (which were minimal in the 50s) mirror federal exemptions and deductions. Do all your homework not just a bare rate comparison.
It's good to know that someone has done his homework before posting on a blog! You're 100% correct on your rebuttal.
Not true, higher taxes is the only way the federal deficit was ever brought down, and it always brought in more jbs, due to the corporations have to hrie more people to get more work done for them to make more money, so stating higher taxes brings about less jobs is factually untrue! You can check on this just as I did, and you will find out that raising the taxes ont he wealthiest is the only way that works, nothing else ever has worked!
Please quit smoking that VooDoo economics BS. It was disproved back when you were a tot.
not so taxes has been exceptionally low for corporations, oil companies are getting tax break even though they are making record profits, we even have millionaires like Warren Buffet say he wouldn't mind paying higher taxes after finding out that his secretary pays more taxes than he does. The president kept the Bush tax cuts that has been in effect for 10 years so tell me where is the jobs, really these corporations pay less tax and take their profits and put it in an off shore account and still don't create jobs in America because its cheaper to pay less in other coutries citizens than to pay normal wages to Americans, give me a break with this excuse that we can't increse the tax rate or close loop holes because we won't get any jobs created, really so where are the jobs 10yrs of Bush tax break no jobs. Maybe if the young tea party and the leader of the GOP stop playing chicken with this president and stop acting like kids because they just want this president to be a 1 term president while hurting the country in the process
with out paying our military veterans ss every body needs to go file bankruptry now it will cost jobs then the gov will not receive nothing i hope all the gov and senators congress men will suffer to to every body you may as well commit suiside you have nothing left jimmy the sniper
Good Luck, the neo-tea-cons made it nearly impossible if not useless to try and declare bankruptcy, unless of course you are a corporation or can afford to pay a bunch of lawyers to handle it.
This is a fairly easy argument. A 2-5% pay cut for federal government is nothing. Those people make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. I think they could handle more than that. But like someone already said, they need their vacations and golf trips etc etc. They need to have people who make $250K or more per year pay more in taxes. Having health care for everyone is a nice idea but that needs to be done away with. It costs way too much money. Welfare needs to be taken away from people who are just milking the system. I'm sorry but I don't feel like paying for someone else, who doesn't have anything physically or mentally wrong with them and can push a broom just fine, to sit at home. Lastly, and no one likes to talk about it b/c it's "bad"…just bite the bullet and legalize marijuana. Tax the hell out of it. If the government takes over the pot industry they could probably take that $14T of debt that we have down into the billions in about 5 years, which in turn, would save the military from not getting paid. My husband is in the military, and we always discuss how shitty this situation is. Well, there is your answer. It pisses me off to the highest mountain tops that they seem to always pick on the military first, or at least that's all it ever seems. Democrats will try to down-size the military…no matter how much they say they like the military. My husband says that Bush was the best thing that happened to the military…they had lots of benefits. But once Obama came into office, they started to take things away.
"Those people make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year."
Is that a generalization? I'm sure not ALL government employees make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. I don't know why people who make over 250K should pay more in taxes (and I am NOWHERE that in income), I know I wouldn't want to be taxed unfairly. Legalize marijuana? It clouds peoples judgement.
And alcohol clears the head and causes rational judgement. It's just not the "high factor" that everyone thinks it is. It can be grown w/little or no THC. So low, that you could smoke or ingest a truckload and not feel a thing. It has many valuable uses outside of medicine. 1 acre of hemp produces as much paper as 4 acres of trees. Next year, or 6months if grown indoors, you have another crop. How long does it take to grow trees? It can make plastics that are bio-degradable, rope and clothing material, oil etc.. It's not ALL ABOUT THE HIGH. It's about using something natural instead of something man made(poison)!
Okay. I agree, it wouldn' t be right to tax unfairly. As for the Gov't employees, I really only meant the Congress, Senate etc etc. You know, the "Important People" who would like to get elected or re-elected. Why not legalize marijuana?! Kingpins make millions of dollars a year! So, while we are at it, alcohol should have a higher tax put on it…as should cigarettes. It's time for people to think outside of the box for once.
You know congressional salary is $176K? Out of which they contribute to both FERS and FEHPB. Not "hundreds of thousands of dollars a year"
Cutting the entire congressional salary budget saves a total of $95 million/year. Million, not billion.
Hey, thats $95million that year, and another $95million the following year, and only from Congress, add in Senate, the President, Lobbyists and everyone else that makes over $150K a year….. Why not tax everyone the same percentage.
Valid point – there are actually a number of federal employees making more than congresspeople – to include some presidential aides who get 40% pay raises while the President was saying his staff was in a pay freeze. I want that pay freeze soon!
Yea, there are other goverment employees that make more. The point is, we are paying these ****** to screw us!! Get rid of them all and relace them with non-lawyer, common people.
WRONG. Amost NOBODY in federal service makes over $250,000. Congress and the President barely make over that. We're looking at maybe a hundred or so. By contrast, a middle manager in some industry sectors make at least that, with the best performers making several times that. That, by the way, is one of the reasons you can't get the "best and the Brightest" to run for office.
Sorry Rich, but you better check your facts and here they are :
Effective January 1, 2001, the annual salary of the president of the United States was increased to $400,000 per year, including a $50,000 expense allowance.
The increase was approved as part of the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act (Public Law 106-58), passed in the closing days of the 106th Congress.
"Sec. 644. (a) Increase in Annual Compensation.–Section 102 of title 3, United States Code, is amended by striking '$200,000' and inserting '$400,000'. (b) Effective Date.–The <<NOTE: 3 USC 102 note.>> amendment made by this section shall take effect at noon on January 20, 2001."
Vice President's Salary
The salary of the vice president is currently (for 2011) $230,700
Presidential Retirement and Maintenance
Under the Former Presidents Act, each former president is paid a lifetime, taxable pension that is equal to the annual rate of basic pay for the head of an executive federal department — $199,700 in 2011 — the same annual salary paid to secretaries of the Cabinet agencies.
Each former president and vice president may also take advantage of funds allocated by Congress to help facilitate their transition to private life. These funds are used to provide suitable office space, staff compensation, communications services, and printing and postage associated with the transition. As an example, Congress authorized a total of $1.5 million for the transition expenses of outgoing president George H.W. Bush and Vice President Dan Quayle.
The Secret Service provides lifetime protection for former presidents who entered office before January 1, 1997, and for their spouses. Surviving spouses of former presidents receive protection until remarriage. Legislation enacted in 1984 allows former Presidents or their dependents to decline Secret Service protection.
Former Presidents and their spouses, widows, and minor children are entitled to treatment in military hospitals. Health care costs are billed to the individual at a rate established by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). Former Presidents and their dependents may also enroll in private health plans at their own expense.
So, as you can see Rich, its not all about the actual pay while they are in office but they get a LIFETIME of pay for serving only 4 years unlike our military me and women who must serve a minimum of 20 years just to receive a small portion of their base pay.
NO THEY DON'T. They are under FERS and FEHBP, same as our civil service brethren. They contribute to their retirement, they are vested after 5 years, but don't collect until:
a) they are 62 if less than 20 years of work, or
b) 55 if 20 or more years of employment by Feds, or
c) any age if 30 or more years.
And the base they receive is the same as law enforcement, 1.7% of base pay (average of 3 years) for each year worked. On this, I personally would like to see them receive the standard Federal Employee rate of 1% per year.
This chain was talking about the President NOT Congress and you can google public law 106-58 section 644 and you will see that the data cited is accurate.
The US president has earned 400,000.00 a year since 2004.
I think condems tax should be raised because there are lot of them being used on the public we all are being boinked
i agree, but things have gone so much to hell that i can't even get a job pushing a broom, or working fast food. and i am a trained cook. i used to be able to get a job in 2 weeks. might not be a good job, but a job. i can't even get that now.
You and your Husband are NUTTS. BUSH is who started this mess………..
Another Obama lover. Who wants to play the blame game?
Don't blame the Republicans in congress, blame the Democrat senate, they have not produced a budget in two years. Obama is the one who is threatening not to pay the military, social security and medicare, not congress. If the debt ceiling is not lifted, it is Obama and his sec of treas. that determine who they want to pay, not congress. Republicans have already passed a budget where everyone gets paid, Obama and the dems are holding it up.
Even if the Republican's budget was passed, it is still billions over and they STILL would have to raise the debt ceiling.
You are wrong! Clinton passed a surplus economy to . Bush screwed it up and that is the mess Obama is faced with now.
so what you’re saying Jose is, Obama has not spent a single penny and everything is Bushs’ fault correct?
yep everything is bushes fault
Clinton had a surplus because he destroyed Reagan’s military, economy, jobs and patriotism!!
Clinton had a PROJECTED SURPLUS. There was NO ACTUAL SURPLUS. The Republicans in charge of congress at the time reformed welfare and balanced the budget. The democrats have not submitted a budget for two years. They didn't want to do it right before the elections.
Jose,
Do some research for yourself instead of reading democrat talking points. Clinton did not pass a surplus to Bush. It was a PROJECTED surplus on paper. We were over 5 TRILLION IN debt when Bush took over in 2001. He did double that to 10 +Trillion in 8 years. Obama has racked up over 4+ trillion in 2 1/2 years.
Bush was a big spender, no doubt. He let Kennedy write the bill for "No Child Left Behind: and also passed drug benefits for seniors that we could NOT afford. The two wars from the start to now has only cost 1.5 trillion. Obama's deficit for this year alone is more than that. WHERE is all the money going?
THE IDIOTS KEEP GIVING $$ TO OTHER COUNTRIES!! HELLO, TRY HELPING THIS COUNTRY MORONS!!
Bush couldn't even come close to projecting a surplus with the debt he created.
Why do we have to keep reminding people. President Obama was left to clean-up both BUSH'S mess. He's doing the best he could with what he got. The Republicans are the ones who a throwing up blocks at every turn. STOP BLAMMING THE PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU KNOW WHOSE FAULT IT IS!!!!!!!!!!
you need a SRA my friend.
and obama just keeps adding to it.
Dawneagle you are highly misinformed. 54% of the budget deficit was caused by spending in the Bush administration due to two needless wars. If there is no payday for the troops, they should lay down their weapons and catch the first plane or boat back home. 27% of the budget was createdd by the Obama administration to keep Bush's war going. Republicans LOVE war because they are so hand in hand with defense contractors and their lobbyist. Anybody that makes over $1 million a year need to have their taxes increased, and furthermore they need to have their Soc.Sec and Medicare stopped. They don't need SS or medicare – and should not be entitled to it. ALL tax loopholes should be closed for everybody. It's the middle class that supports this country with their taxes – not the wealthy. If the middle class stopped paying taxes, we could change our name to "Mexico" which only has the rich and the very poor.
Both wars have cost 1.5 Trillion dollars so far. How can you say that Obama's deficit spending is because of Bush's wars. Obama's deficit for this year is more than the entire cost of both wars. I want to know where the money is going.
that's because OBAMA is an ass!! he is not an american & is trying to destroy this country!!!
The Senate does not produce the budget, the House does. The House has been in Republican hands for 7 months, why haven't they produced a budget or the jobs they promised…
They have, but the Democratic control Senate and White House won't let it pass.
Sorry to tell you this, but that document you swore to uphold and defend from all enemies foreign and domestic puts the onus of figuring out budgets on the House of Representatives in CONGRESS, so it's not on PRESIDENT Obama nor the Senate to do it.
I think you have your info mixed up. The Republicans in congress are to one's who are putting the brakes on everything.
I I agree Dawneagle its the yahoo in the house who is running the house that is the problem He will not look at history and I think its his plan to destroy this country and support his M-brothers look at libia . Have you noticed that the media is liberal so that being said anything that is conserveative is bad and why is that? Just because you don't believe in cheating on your spouse or beating your kid or having sex with animals your bad? What is up with that?
Are you daft? The Republican party has had one objective and only one objective since Obama took office. They are all dedicated to bring him down no matter what the cost and no matter who gets hurt in the process. If the rich and the multinational corporations didn't have the Republican party to do their bidding we'd all be a hell of a lot better off. The working people in this country including our military, our veterans, our elderly and our disabled are being held hostage by the "just say no" party. They got us into this mess and now they want us to believe it wasn't there fault? Wake up America, its about to become a 'one' party country. Do you remember Bush and Cheney and the backroom deals with the oil companies and the black lists of those who dared disagree with their Royal hyenies? God 'help' America! While we're all sitting around deciding who to drop the economic bomb on let us remember a time when America stood for 'no American left behind'.
Been there,
This is not about who gets paid. This is about what a bunch of STUPID us Americans are. When was the last time the military, disabled people to include veterans, or your granny got any kind of check from the feds? Oh, duh? THERE ARE NO CHECKS!! Its all electronic transfer and the $$ goes into your accounts on the 15th and last day of the month, if military, and on the 1st of the month for all others. So, there is no August 3rd check. There never was and there never will be! BUT, for you dummys, not even one of the HORS (House of Representatives types) pukes picked up on this, because they are all a part of this gigantic conspiracy lie, to make them big shots in DC look like they are actually earning their $$’s. What part of “LIar-Liar, Pant on Fire” don’t you idiots understand? Huh? But, it sure makes them look like genius’s in Greece & Portugal, don’t it?
It actually is about who gets paid. Look at all of the governemnt programs. That's where all of the money is going, and that's why the military is being threatened. They need money to keep the health care reform bill going, they keep giving money that they don't have to other countries when they should be worrying about their own. All because we want to be the good guy and want people to like us. The only good thing that they are doing right now is holding that aid money back from Pakistan. We were paying for Pakistan to harbor terrorists, for God sakes. So yes, it is about who gets paid. The American Gov't needs to put other countries' problems on hold right now and start worrying about their own. Look at the Swiss…no one bothers them. You know why? Because they hold everyone's money, make good quality items, and they keep their nose out of everyone's business.
actually, they only cut 1/3 of the aid to pakistan, which was $800million. They are still giving them the other 2/3 which is about $1.6billion.
Heather,
We MUST cut off ALL foreign aid if we are to survive. Otherwise it's going to be a massive financial armagedon for our country. I'm very sure that all of our TRUE allies would understand. And if not….then they're not TRUE allies.
Actually, (although many have direct deposit) SSI/SSA is deposited (or mailed out) by the 3rd of each month.
Wrong they're mailed out on the closest Wednesday to your birthday now.
That is right . Doc Schaaf
They are not just talking about just Military Pay, but also Social Security (which gets paid on different days of the month, including the 3. Aug.) and Disability Pay which is the 1st. of each month. Also, some people still receive checks, like Social Security, they are in the process of changing over to electronic deposits. No reason to call people names here.
Almost correct–people that do not elect direct deposit will begin to get Visa style debit cards that the funds will be deposited to. And the government is spreading out the payment workload by beginning to spread SS payments out over the entire month. Mine is not a fixed date and is a fixed day…the second Wednesday of every month. It can be anywhere from the 8th to the 14th.
And to others in this thread, stop the damn political partisonship, there is plenty of blame on both sides of the aisle and it is NOT the President's responsability. This problem belongs 100% to Congress, both Dems and Republicans-It is their constitutional duty. Everyone needs to give a little to reach a compromise. It is very hard for Republicans to compromise though when they have signed pledges not to compromise to Grover Norquist.
Well, it also doesn't help at all when you have a mental midget for a president as well.
the president wants to compromise but the new tea party who is far right don't realize real people depend on military retirement, dissability, and SS, but they were in school when I went to the Gulf war and the wars preceeding that, so I guess to up hold this pledge they sign is more important than those that fought for this country.
numby depending on your dob ss makes an etrans to your bank acct.. mine is wired in on the third wed of each month. my va disability is wired on the first day of each month. both amounts transfer a few days before each date but the funds are not available until the 1st day of the month or the 3rd wednesday. get your facts straight before you accuse someone of stupidity and learn how to spell properly.
I get my retirement and dissability deposited in my account on the 1st of each month but my SS don't get deposited until the 4th Wednesday in every month, and I believe they do have new rules for their payout
Same here Tim. Thanks for your service.
Under the old social security payment social security went out on the 3rd of the month, About 10 years ago it changed to the 1,2,3,4 Wednesday of the month dependent upon your birthday. If the 1 and or second of the month falls on a weekend, retired military get their payments the Monday after, which could be the 3rd of the month.In August the 3rd falls on a Wednesday so there could be a lot of retirees without their payments, and yes some still get social security checks.
Social security checks come out on the 15 young man That you don't know about!
When one hose on an mtv costs $600, yet you can have it made at a local auto parts store for less than $60….. I think they need to delve deeper into budget cuts and see exactly what things are costing them.
warren – thank you – finally someone talking sense about how to trim unnecessary spending which is making rich civilians richer. I also wonder how many members of Congress hold stocks in the defense industry?
PART 1 In GOD we trust
All the fine ladies and gentlemen fighting the "wars" need to be brought back
stateside to be with their loved ones so that we could start fixing our own homes and country before we attempt to "help" others. Let's start by helping ourselves. Regarding the condition of our
country it seems that the old saying is true.
"While the cats are away the mice will play."
Sad to say it but who is watching our backs ?
We need to get our own affairs in order but I strongly believe in putting GOD first, then after Him anything or anyone else.
Stay alert, and keep the faith. Here are some
verses from the Bible that I want to share.
Some of you might have heard some of what I will discuss
before, for others it might be your first time. Please bear with
me.
For those of you who would rather listen to cusswords
rather than words of encouragement please proceed
with caution so that you won't be offended with
what I am going to share.
Pray also, here is something I found in the Bible
where during Isaiah's time there was evil upon the
land…" None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity." (Isaiah 59:4).
Sound familiar ?
The whole 59th Chapter of Isaiah is pretty interesting in how similar it sounds to what's going on currently.
I like this verse found in Isaiah 59:19, "So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him."
Think praying is a joke ? What's the alternative ?
"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.
It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes." (Psalm 118:8,9).
You can see that in how far this nation has gotten from GOD and the outcome of their worldly solutions based on greed and ulterior motives. That's what happens when man trusts man, and forgets their Creator, things tend to have
the same results.
Though it may seem counterintuitive to do so in times of trouble that is when we should be grateful in the day the Lord has made. (Psalm 118:24)
"This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it."
Here is some encouragement from the Word.
"5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." (Proverbs 3:5,6).
"7 The Lord is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him." (Nahum 1:7).
And did not Jesus say that this would happen, he is comming back be ready.
That's right Vet, we all need to get right with Him.
Ii so agree in the power of prayer, and love (Nahum1:7).
Yes Sherry I hope and pray that our Country would have a Day of Prayer.
your obviously not a veteran. its easy to quote scripture when its not affecting you.
Hello Anthony I won't be a veteran until I am out of the service, but in the bigger scope of things yes this affects all both in and out of the service.
PART II In GOD we trust
People I am sharing this because of what GOD has done in my own life
personally when I turned to him rather than other "solutions".
It's amazing how He has shined his light into the darkest areas of my
life. I'm still a work in progress.
If you've tried everything else and it hasn't worked why don't you
try Jesus ? You don't need to go through anyone else, you can pray
directly to Jesus yourself and ask Him for your needs.
Here is an example :
1 I EXHORT therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
(1 Timothy 2:1-5)
Notice in verse 5 that we have "one" mediator between God and men. That means that we can take our prayers to Him ourselves, right now if you are so inclined. You don't need to know how to pray. Just TALK. Talk to GOD through Jesus and say anything that is in your heart. Believe on Jesus Christ who died for our sins and rose after 3 days. Be sincere and have that personal relationship between Him. Like that between a Father and daughter or son.
That's what it is about. Not just trusting in Him when it's all good, but in
these times that we are going through especially. Others have gone through worse.
Don't just blindly believe what any person says including myself, research, research,
research.
It goes without saying that everyone, from positions of influence to the most
seemingly insignificant individual need to do our part and right this vessel.
My prayers go out to all of you and to all of our
countrymen and women both near and far. I pray that
our nation's leaders make the right choices and
not lean on their own understanding.
And…
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved… (Acts 16:31)
"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me."
– Jesus Christ, John 14:6
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Hooyah
Great piece we all need to keep hearing it and passing it on!
Praise God ! Pray for our stinking Government. Thats the best one word to describe the whole of our nations leaders. Guilt, at minimum, approached those who cast your message aside, ignored it, disliked it, skipped it etc. And that guilt will haunt those who lack faith in God and Jesus, pray that those hearts reverse and come home to the Lord! Jesus rules!
Thanks Sidney, just to let you know I think I replied to Ron under your name. Jesus Rules !
Thank You Ron
Ron I'm just really grateful for people like you and the others that have replied like Sidney and SNIPER.
WRITE ON , I LOVE IT, IT'S GREAT.
SIGNED SNIPER.
Thank you much SNIPER.
So? How big is his bank account? I need him to write me some checks.
No pay raises this year for Federal Employees, and now considering pay CUTS?
— Except for the White House Staff…..
Matthew Vogel, Special Assistant to Pres on Economy Policies – 83% increase
Heather Zichal, Deputy Assistant to Pres on Energy and Climate Change – 40% increase
Kevin Lewis, Director African American Media – 86% increase
Elizabeth Olson, Special Assistant to Pres and director of Pres. Correspondence – 44% increase
Lauren Paige, Special Assistant to Pres and director of Message Planning – 53% increase
Jessica Right, Special Assistant to Pres and Director of Scheduling – 34% increase
Elizabeth Nelson, Deputy of Scheduling – 63% increase
The raises range from a 17% increase to an 83% increase. Anyone else see a problem with this?
I see a big problem with that. Congress got a $3000 dollar pay increase. The White House Staff all got a pay increase. Where does that money come from?
You omitted the GREAT pay raises for both the retired and active.
We ALL can observe what Congress REALLY thinks about the active and
retired military, versus the terrible pay raises of ANY goverment
employees in Washington, if you follow.
the idiots in charge have overlooked a little flaw in there thinking apparently. no pay for retirees, military, social security recipients, ( 50 million or so ) will extend the welfare payment lines 1000 fold as I just informed my senators office. I agree when they refer to s.s. as entitlements, as my wife and I were forced by the government to pay into s.s. (tax ) for the past 47 years to receive those ENTITLEMENTS! now they want to steal it away from us . watch out washington! here come the welfare claims like you have never before seen!!
What welfare linjes? that's going to be cut too. LOL!!!!!
Yep!!!! The real problem is that NONE of those positions are essential nor necessary to run our country. So then WHY? are they even there? Lay em all off without benefits!!!
I am not replying to thisas a disabled veteran, but as an American Citizen who votes and holds congress and the executive branch responsible for our curren state of affairs. To not only give raises to those select employee's but to continue to vote for raises for congress while freezing SS and VA payments should be criminal and if not that than just morally wrong. Public Service is not a right and is suppose to require some sacrifice like those endured by our military, as well as the firefighters and law enforcement. We should expect and demand no less from our elected.
The government's accusations that Social Security and Medicare payments will stop if the debt ceiling doesn't get raised is a bold faced lie. SS and MC can not be funded by borrowed money. By law they are funded directly from revenue, i.e. FICA taxes. It is nothing more than a scare tactic.
By law those funds are commingled with all the rest. The SS fund is a bunch of IOUs. So if the Gov't runs out of money, and can only spend what actually comes in, they will have to prioritize. I would guess SS & Medicare will be up there, but since SS & Medicare no longer take in as much as they pay out, expect some cuts tehre.
Right. But if we had stopped them back i the fifties from changing social security funds appropriation to go into the "general" pot, like it was initially set up for, we wouldn't have this social security quagmire. The social security became too big with a glut of funds back then and (you guessed it), political greed sat in to spend it on other "non-social security" areas. The bastards!!!
I hope that you are right, and if you are, then we Americans should
sue the President and Congress for spreading false rumors, regardless
of our current fiscal problems. It is almost like yelling fire in a movie
theater, when there is no fire. It is the panic and the uncertainty that
Obama and his motley crew prefer to spread, rather than doing the
right thing. Obama is certain to be a one-term president. Thank
goodness for 2012.
Coastie. Have you not noticed that this government and this admin seem to have no respect or consideration for the law.
This is the fourth time in history this has happened. The Federal Government has funds to pay Social Security and VA disability compensation and these funds are set a side for this reason. The President is using a scare tactic trying to convince the American people of a lie. It is time for the President to stop lieing and get this Country back on track making all the Banks , Fanny Mae and Freddie Max and the stock market to pay back the money the President gave them. It is up to the Veterans and Future Veterans to stand up telling their House of Repres and Senate to stop the bull shit lies and do away with wasteful spending for the rich . Raise Taxes on the Rich and lower Taxes on the poor vets.
Republicans do what they want. Have you not noticed? Dems try but Republicans won't let them.
Those who allow themselves to be patronized for political purposes should be prepared to be victimized towards the same cause. The democrats blatantly patronized the seniors, veterans and military in years past to gain their favor and votes. Now comes the payback. Bend over and take it like a man!
like a man?!! is that how YOU do it? you bend over?
Tim, you know full well what Doogie's trying to say here. This is not supposed to be a forum for dumb ass smart mouths lime you to spout off to. So STFU!!!!
I think you mean the Republicans since they are the ones who claim to be all for the military and seniors. They are the ones who would hold up military pay so they can get their rich cronies another tax break for their new corporate jet. The Democrats are asking for tax loopholes to be closed in order to compromise and cut some other spending but the Republicans only want to cut spending to entitlement programs like SS and Medicare. They refuse to even consider closing the tax break given to corps that buy private jets or any of the other insane loopholes these corporations take advantage of.
Doogie this is not the democrats who is f in up it is the repubicains. The republicains are only out for the rich and they forget about the poor . the poor does not have any money. But the republicains need to rember who payes there bills the poor who are taxed the most.. OPEN YOUR EYES
Gee what a shock! Lets cut back the wages of the citizens that made this country free. How about cutting all the wages of these elected officials that dont deserve earning their wages. Hear is a clue, if you are interested in cutting the wages of "protectors of freedom" look at the pictures or the real life bodies of those who came back making minimum wages without their arms, legs etc., all this for the opportunity to loss pay. What a shock, wonder why people dont vote or have lost their respect for the DC political residents.
I am a Nam Vet in my third year of waiting for a decision on my Agent Orange disability appeal. My son is now serving in Afghanistan and was one soldier who was victimized by this do- nothing Congress the last time they decided to pull 2 weeks pay from our young fighting men and women. (They have not been re-embersed to this day!) If he asked me for advise on what to do today if stopped paying him. I would I would tell him to lay down his weapon and catch the next comercial jet home! I would send him the money he needs to get it done!
If my husband doesn’t get his VA compensation we could lose our house seriously
If you are current to date I doubt that you will lose your house.
I am in the same boat,We need this money to pay house , eat,pay bills and my husband can't even walk his va desability pay is all we have …..
Our mortgage, car payment and insurance all come from my husbands VA checks. We have both been unemployed since March. Why don't they start the cuts at the top not the bottom of the spectrum??? I guess it would make too much sense, not affect as many people and affect their wallets?
The wqy I look at it is that if I don't get my Va compaensation then I shouldn't have to pay my VA mortgage payment either. they break the contract with me and I then break it with them!
Although there's no chance of them going to jail, or being evicted. There's the almost 100% positive that you will…we need to start shooting more politicians and less civilians in other countries. They deserve it less than these paricks in office.
you betcha
honestly, they don't care. I certainly do, but those who put us in this position care less if we live on the streets or die.
all im saying is..if they don't pay,i ain't going to work
if your military and d't go to work you are in trouble. military don't have the right t not show up just because they aren't paid.
but we still have the choice
Im with you brother. Im active duty military: def, i get paid for the work i do. Its a job. Would the guy thats flipping burgers at McD’s come to work if his manager said “hey guys i cant pay you anymore, im gonna need you to come in on saturday and pull a double though” ummmmm H E L NO. And guess what i dont think the contract i signed said anything about if the boss that my contry chooses for me turns out to be a total ******* (not that he wasnt one in the first place, seriously, the guy spent a total of 2 months in public office before taking a leave of absence to run for president) and not want to pay you anymore, you still gotta pick up that gun and fight this war. Nope. I dont see it in the fine print either. Its easy folks. Whos with us? Dont show up to work. What are they gonna do? Bleed on me? Ive got 2 kids to feed so guess what? Im goin down to home depot to see if someone needs a hand diggin a hole or paintin a fence. If you catch my drift.
Marjoe,
You're right. However then the government is in serious breach of contract as they HAVE to pay all active military or be sued without a legal leg to stand on. Geesh, that's another defedit too.
DOC. THE GOVERNMENT IS IN BREACH OF CONTRACT WITH ALL THE LIES WE WERE TOLD WHEN WE ENLISTED. SERVE 20+
AND RECIEVE FREE HEALTH CARE FOR LIFE. LIE!!!. SERVE 20+
AND RECIEVE A GOOD!! PENSION FOR LIFE. LIE!!! . SHOULD I CONTINUE? THEY ARE SLOWLY TAKING BOTH FROM US. THE
VA CLINICS WANT YOU TO PAY A DEDUCTIBLE ON MEDS AND DR. CARE. IT'S A JOKE. I DON'T GO TO THE VA ANYMORE.
I think to not disburse payments to the men and women currently serve or have served, risking the rights so many Americans seem to take for granted is abhorant to put it nicely. These men and womenr didn't flinch or hesitate when they were asked or voluntarily chose to serve their Contry risking life and limb and leaving so many of both behind on the balltefield.
If the millionaire politicians, very few of whom know what it means to risk their lives are NOT being asked to reduce or delay their pay or medical benefits or pensions (let alone offering) but use the proud veterans, many of whom are disable to one etent or another and need their pensions and benefits to survive as pawns in their ego driven games is nothing short of a trvisty and unamerican.
Mr President, members of the Senate and House. members of their over staffed office, DO YOUR PART AND THE AMERICAN VETERAN WILL DO THEIRS to bring an end to this crisis.
Typical democrat bull shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Cut the welfare rolls, stop all the free money for college, food stamps, medical care…………….STUPID DEMOCRATS WITHOUT A STRONG MILITARY – EVEN THE DAMN DEMOCRATS WILL NOT BE IN POWER……………..ODAMA IS A COMMUNISY SOCIALIST BASTARD.
TRILLIONS CAN BE CUT FROM THE BUDGET (ALL OF THEM HIS "PET" PROGRAMS FOR ILLIEGALS/MINORITIES. SPREAD THE WEALTH IS A COMMUNISTIC IDEA
I do not agree with your regulations that the site admin must approve my submission. What ever happened to the "Freedom of Speech"???? Oh yea… half black/half white boy is in power and the DOJ will hunt me down like a dog.
predifice SOB
I don't think it's fair to do this to our Military and Veterans AGAIN…try cutting the pay of the ELECTED officials that are trying to figure this out. I don't know what we are going to do except starve and sit with no phones or way for me to stay in contact with my husband if he doesn't get his paycheck. This seriously SICKENS me that it's happening AGAIN!! WTF?
This is a repeat of one post, at least in the point being made. The point is this, neither SS or Medicare OR MILITARY PAY will be held up if there is no 'debt ceiling' deal. BTW it has been Prez. Barry who has made these threats knowing full well that there are phony ones. If there is no deal it will simply force the administration to do what we all have to do when we don't have the money to pay our bills, PRIORITIZE. Military pay is at least in the top five priorities that will be paid both because of the law and because it would be absolute political suicide if this was not done.
The entire construct of a "debt limit" is flawed and may conflict with the 14th ammendment to the constitution in any case. The answer is to repeal the debt limit.
By the way the Army has gone unpaid at least twice in the past. When the 44th Congress adjourned in March of 1877 it failed to pass the appropriation to pay the Army. So NPD 1 JUL 1877, this wasnt corrected until the appropriation was signed in Nov of 1877. The 45th Congress did the same thing when it adjourned on 3 March of 1879. At least they were a bit quicker in correcting the situation and passed the appropriation on 23 June 1879. You see the military wasnt always loved in this country, nor should it have been.
Given the state of the budget and congress' desire to cut spending how is it that $17 billion was added to the defense budget by the House? WTF!
these idiots who say 'take the militrary pay and social security ' do not reaiize it is taking money from every one (grocery stores,electric co.
walmart, banknotes, car notes,houseing /rent notes and many more.AND THATS JUST ME. I think every one of those ELECTED PEOPLE) I would hope that ALL, I SAY ;ALL OF THEM BE REPLACED.
DANNY
Once again you are talking about not paying people with access to automatic weapons and lots of Ammo……good luck………. but don't be surprised if it does not turn out like you expect.
For all intents and purposes, and after serving in the military, I have
never observed the MILITARY falling behind on their commitments and
responsibilities, but the CIVILIAN world are not governed by these same
sentiments. Had the DRAFT been in place, years ago, these same
Congressmen whom had served in the military, would have
maintained the same professionalism in civilian life as they were
commanded to accomplish while serving. Therefore, I would prefer
to view the DRAFT re-implemented so that every eligible male and
female maintain a vested interest in the protection of our country.
Personally, I have never preferred for civilians to be in charge of
anything in the United States and would welcome a presidency and
a Congress, maintained by the authority of our military because the
civilian example that Obama has revealed, is indicative of a president
that has never worn the uniform, and has no ideas of his own to return
the United States to its status of greatness.
OK. So the G.I.'s and their families gets it the butt again. So let's all remember this come next election. We need military vets and retirees in there.
Here is one retiree who has refused to vote for the big talkers as thier B.S.
never ends. They are for Number One only. Its time the Super rich started
kicking in more taxes. Like 90% after their 1st million. That should help solve the crisis!!!!!!!!!
Revolution – an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.
What the United States requires, is a "VELVET march on Washington,
D.C., before the election in 2012; similar to the revolt in Africa and the
Middle East, to return America to its rightful owners: the people of the
United States, incorporating all the visions of transparency, hope and
change that Obama had no idea of how to implement as he leads
us down the path to Socialism, if you follow.
Ah yes. Let's call it "The American Spring"
Here's a thought; we can have all the career welfare recipients and illegals defend the country. Bet their pay won't be delayed? Ever since Obama and that pack of clowns took over, not even a COLA increase in VET pay or benefits. I think we are rapidly approaching a point where vets, military and middle class America simply revolt……
I AGREE A 100% WITH YOU ABOUT THE WELFARE RECIPIENTS AND THE ILLEGALS. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE A CHOICE. EITHER JOIN US OR CUT OFF ALL BENEFITS AND DEPORT THE ILLEGALS. INSTEAD, THERE ARE MORE OF THEM EVERYDAY. WE CAN'T GET A COLA INCREASE BECAUSE WE ALLOW THESE PEOPLE TO COME TO OUR COUNTRY, WE HAVE TO FEED THEM AND THE GOVT. HANDS OUT MONEY. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE. WE ARE BECOMING THE
MINORITY. THINK ABOUT IT.
I'll bet that the congress and senate, not to mention the president, all get their paychecks though and they have lot more financial means than the military!
If you are happy wth this president and this congress, its simple re-elect them, as for me I will not vote for any incumbent, I am not happy with any of them. They dont care about the Military, the elderly, the disabled or the children. They are more concerned with who they can pickup in a restroom or exposing themselves on the internet, adultery is simply a way of life for them, thats why they cant do what they have been elected to do.
It sure would be nice to know if I am going to get paid for this month or ever again. It is sickening that our government used the American People’s money to "bail out" billionaire bankers and auto-makers so those same people can foreclose on homes and repossess cars because now there is no money left to pay those who serve or have served this country so faithfully. Where is the accountability??
Why don't they ever hold the politician's pay hostage or make cuts in their pay. This is totally unacceptable.
BEING A RETIRED VETERAN I CAN TELL YOU THIS. THOSE SO CALLED SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES DO NOT WANT US RETIRED VETERANS MARCHING ON WASHINGTON. MOST ALL OF US COME FROM THE OLD SCHOOL. THEY START MESSING WITH OUR LIVES THINGS MIGHT JUST GET A LITTLE BIT NASTY. SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THAT THEY NEED TO EITHER S**T OR GET OFF THE POT OR SOMEONE ELSE WILL FIX THIS PROBLEM.
If you thank you will lose your home what about us that are on disablety and s.s. also and that is our only income we have and we will lose everything in our home also.
I Had A Comment , And You Cut It Off . Thanks A Lot . You Do Not Want To Know The Truth . Way To Go ……
No more foreign aid, except for surplus food stocks and medicines, and some other country picks up the transportation costs. NO DIRECT CASH $$$$ to ANY country. Reduce the size of the federal government by attrition. Consolidate ALL Federal Departments and Agencies. No more wasteful programs. Ban Lobbyists (Most are already retired Senators and Representatives anyway.) Reinvest to bring companies back to the United States. Get logic and common sense to work in DC. Term limits for Congress. No special retirement or medical plans. (They ain't royalty nor princess of the church) No more excuses or apologies, that time is over. And please God, look over the poor SOBs who are solely dependent on SS, or VA disability checks. And God please look out for those service members in harm's way who are protecting these idiots.
We'll be living on what my wife makes, I earn an Air Force retirement, a VA disability offset and just enrolled at a Technical College using the Post-911 GI Bill. I have to go back to school at 48 years old, because I'm physically unable to do what I did in the USAF for 26 years as an aircraft mechanic. Wham all gone, thank you Congress and Obama. I'll be one of the guys you see with a sign on the I-5 off ramps. Wife just started her new job, so she doesn't have much in the way of a retirement yet.
The least that losing all my benefits will cause to happen is we lose our house.
Thease people really, really do not like thier jobs…I am not going to vote for a single one them next election, neither should anyone else. All this has turned into is "lets make the other party look bad" And that goes for both parties!!!
I want to see these high up in congress live on military pay. My husband is an E-3, for those that don't know it's very low pay. Congress needs to stop thinking of themselves and think of us little people. Don't pay they there high pay and they will come to an agreement real fast.
didn't the people in washington D C just give themselves a raise? why don't they spend money in the United States Before they send it to every third world country? want to bet they never read these comments? If you get military retirement where do we stand?
Does anyone know what the actual deadline is? What pay period will this affect? Are there any facts to back this up or just speculation and people complaining?
Are you kidding me with Bush being the best thing that happened and Obama is the evil guy here? It's your beloved GOP who will cut you off at hte knees because they don't want to tax the rich and big business. Claiming that if they get taxed they will not be able to create jobs. Jobs? With our nation being at around 10% unemployment tell me where are these jobs? When your boy Bush was in office the GOP raised the debt ceiling 11 times, your hear me 11. Now it's a problem because of Obama? B.S. Don't let your prejudice get in the way with your ability to think. If your GOP cared about the people they are supposed to be serving we wouldn't be having this discussion. You probably voted for GOP and now you will reap what you sow.
You missed something Nickj – GWB increased military pay by over 5% (It was actually 5.2% if memory serves). That was the largest military pay increase in recent history. (It was the largest I remember receiving during my 24+ years of service in the United States Air Force.)
BTW, your comment cautioning not to let "…your prejudice get in the way…" sounds like another race card about to be played. Dd you write your post while riding the Sheila Jackson Lee "if you disagree with Obama and the Democrats, then you jus' a racist!" train?
Hold the military paychecks RIGHT AFTER YOU HOLD THE CONGRESS' PAYCHECKS.
The debt ceiling was raised several times during the Bush administration. Why can we not raise the debt ceiling so that we can make sure the most important people get taken care of. The every day Joe's who work hard for this country, the Military who sacrifice daily for freedom, The disabled vets who put themselves in harms way, the older who helped shape this country and depend on their SS. It's not Obama's fault what's stopping this from getting done it's your good ole GOP as usual. Raise the debt ceiling by taxing the rich and big business who have enjoyed tax breaks during the Bush years and now have to be made accountable like the rest of us tax payers. The GOP will let you get cut off at the knees as the Obama has tried to work on cutting some of the things that the GOP wants, SS,Medicare, Healthcare and other thiings that most Americans don't need, right. But include taxing the rich or big business they will cut you like a knife. You can have your GOP but if you voted for them you are reaping what you have sowed so stop complaining. In other words don't let your prejudice outweigh your ability to think. Same ole GOP,same results.
I say we cut spending all around, a little bit everywhere. Everyone needs to suck it up and deal for a few years. I personally know how they overspend when it comes to the military. Yes, I am military, but do we really NEED 100% coverage for everything? As much as I appreciate it I would be personally willing to pay a co-pay for a Dr. visit and a co-pay for my meds. It sure would cut down on all the senseless little visits to the Dr that everyone makes…just cuz its free for them. I'd be willing to make sacrifices and if everyone does the same, we could help.
As for bringing our military home and stop spending Billions on deployments and wars…that sounds great as well. BUT the problem is, there are no jobs back home for these people, so unemployment would sky rocket.
There has got to be a solution where we can all pitch in. My question is why did we let our country get so in debt. Was it the fact that we are helping everyone around us while our own country falls to pieces?
AT this rate, its only going to get worse, and I say we get some kind of budget and make cuts where necessary and just get this done. As painful as its going to be, sitting around talking about it is getting us no where (just like Obama said).
The offer of a co-pay from an active duty person is admirable, though one of the reasons for the free medical has always been the sub-par pay that you receive.
How did we get in this position? Washington is loaded with fools with pens to write checks for very stupid things. It was reported yesterday that we (you and I) paid for a study on the sex habits of gays. What is the preferred sexual position of a gay man with a below average penis length?
Another congressman actually believed that the island of Guam would tip over if we put too many marines on it.
As long as these fools remain in office there will be no long term solution to the debt crisis.
Bless your heart for defending our nation. You are in my prayers.
Who needs Osama Bin Laden and his gang of terrorists trying to desroy our country when you have this scum sucking Congress already doing that. Traitor Trash
If you didn't vote in the last elections or the ones before that, you don't deservrve the space needed for a comment here. If you don't vote, you deserve what you get in the end.
well i understand that the social security system has a 2.3 trillion dollar account. and sence social security comes out of that then why are they gonna hold up paying. also i tought there was a balance budget bill passed a long time ago. like either ragan or bush. if this is so them it would be law. if so hold can these foks break the law and not go to jail????….. and sence they passed the 2011 budget and its aug why can;t they pay……. hmmmmmmmmmmm some ppl are not doing there howwork.
The social security system has no money in the account. While it was originally set up to be separate from the general fund, a Democratic President, I believe Johnson, decided to divert that money to the general fund and issue IOU's. Every month, if there is a surplus taken in to the social security fund, that surplus is given into the general fund and more IOU's issued.
Your stupid congressmen and senators caused this problem. Both parties contributed. Time to unelect these fools and send them home. Remember, they are your employees. FIRE THEM.
I bet they want miss sending all of $$$ to all these countries that hate our guts and they have the chance they will kill you.
Im active duty military: short and sweet of it, i get paid for the work i do. Its a job. Would the guy thats flipping burgers at McD's come to work if his manager said "hey guys i cant pay you anymore, im gonna need you to come in on saturday and pull a double though" ummmmm H E L NO. And guess what i dont think the contract i signed said anything about if the boss that my contry chooses for me turns out to be a total dill rod (not that he wasnt one in the first place, seriously, the guy spent a total of 2 months in public office before taking a leave of absence to run for president) and not want to pay you anymore, you still gotta pick up that gun and fight this war. Nope. I dont see it in the fine print either. Its easy folks. Whos with us? Dont show up to work. What are they gonna do? Bleed on me? Ive got 2 kids to feed so guess what? Im goin down to home depot to see if someone needs a hand diggin a hole or paintin a fence. If you catch my drift.
To the active duty guy who talking bad about our Commander in Chief, shame on you. Its not the President’s fault that the Republicans wont let him pass legislature to help all of us.
It is The Presidents fault…plain and simple. The proverbial “buck” stops and starts with him. If he was a true “Commander” he wouldn’t date let his troops or their families suffer.
get real dweeb,the president hates the military.
Giving ones life at the expence of degenerates is in vien,The way I see it,the scum running this country should put there life on the line for no pay…..this is total bullsh*t.
To **** with this crap …NOW,I can’t see a sain person giving up there life for cowards!!!
Get a life you idiot
GRUNT
Get a job and help yourself! Im also a firm advocate for weekly drug testing the addicts that are on welfare if you couldnt guess. but im sure your on it and smoke all sorts of stuff people smuggle into the country using thier rear end as a transport vehicle.
keep smokin the arse franklin.
To Mike the active duty soldier, shame on you bro I served this country in two wars and I u.understand the frustration of not getting pay however you should never compare serving your country to working at McDonald’s take pride in what you do. Just like me and many others, remember you signed a contract and rise your hand promising served and defend our country doing for money would be like a mercenary. Now don’t blame the president blame ourselves us citizens thatmade hard for him for electing all those republicans in congress that only purpose is to stop the president from doing his job so they can get a president next term. Shame on them thinking on their stupid party and flipping citizens in our face.
Ive been in enough combat situations and under live fire. trust me, your vision of what we do over there is skewed if you've never shot and killed the enemy then received praise in the form of money (my paycheck) the very next day. Mercenary's is exactly what we are. we get paid to break stuff and kill people.
To every soldier, sailor, marine and airman, thank you for what you are doing for us.
But Mike WA you have stated exactly what I believe. If we can't pay you for what you do, but the congressmen, senators and president, will continue to be paid, go get that job to take care of your family.
Please come back whenever these fools in Washington figure out that they are the problem if they don't find a solution. We do need you and your shipmates to defend us Mike.
The buck stops with the president. He wants credit for killing bin laden while sitting on his butt in Washington, then he has to take the blame for this fiasco.
Do we need to bring our own entrenching tool ?? 6×6 ? two at a time !! face down ??
Remember, not only did you contribute to Social Security but your employer did too. It totaled 15% of your income before taxes. If you averaged only 30K over your working life, that is close to $220,500. If you calculate the future value of $4,500 per year (yours & your employer’s contribution) at a simple 5% (less than what the govt. pays on the money that it borrows), after 49 years of working you would have $892,919.98. If you took out only 3% per year, you receive $26,787.60 per year and it would last better than 30 years, and that is with no interest paid on that final amount on deposit! If you bought an annuity and it paid 4% per year, you would have a lifetime income of $2,976.40 per month. The folks in Washington have pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madhoff ever had. I paid cash for my social security insurance! Just because they borrowed the money, does not make our benefits some kind of charity or handout! Congressional benefits, aka. free healthcare , outrageous retirement packages , 67 paid holidays , three weeks paid vacation , unlimited paid sick days , now that's welfare , and they have the nerve to call our retirement entitlements ! What went wrong? WAKE UP AMERICA!
You are sooo right. Will they be working for nothing. WELL HOW IS CHANGE WORKING FOR YOU!!
I’m 100% disabled veteran whose lifeline is dependent upon the monthly V.A. benefit. You’re right everyone holding public office has seemed to have dropped the ball over past 3 administrations. However to be a vet as your moniker suggest and speak of our President in such terms is not only disrespectful & to some degree treasonous it reeks of tea partyism. AMERICAN-UP grunt.! We have a good number of citizens that feel no war is free. People die & property’s lost. Mr.Obama just had the duty of protecting our assets. His fight on world terror has showed he’s getting it done. Allow him the completion of his Terrorist *** Kicking term in office . Please remember there are flights leaving daily for the country of your choice.
You cannot be a democrat. You are making fiscal sense.
Did you send this comment to your congressman or senator? You can bet that they don't read comments made on line.
I am sending it to my pitiful senator, Harry Reid.
I say we cut spending all around, a little bit everywhere. Everyone needs to suck it up and deal for a few years. I personally know how they overspend when it comes to the military. Yes, I am military, but do we really NEED 100% coverage for everything? As much as I appreciate it I would be personally willing to pay a co-pay for a Dr. visit and a co-pay for my meds. It sure would cut down on all the senseless little visits to the Dr that everyone makes…just cuz its free for them. I'd be willing to make sacrifices and if everyone does the same, we could help.
It was former Sec of Defense Gates who recommended the military pay cuts, not President Obama. He was a Republican holdover from the Bush Administration. Obama has only recommended reducing the militay budget, not the pay. If the elephants in congress get their way it will be more than military pay that gets cut.
I bet if they don’t pay the military. The leaders in the white house will still receive their paychecks.
Senator Dean Heller (R-NV) submitted a bill stating that if social security, vet disability and active duty military don't get paid, neither do our representatives. Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) refused to let it come up for a vote.
If this happens, I will not receive one red cent next month. My whole income is from Military Retirement and VA compensation. So, my rent and bills won't get paid. I will have to cancel my trip to see my grand kids, that I haven't seen in a year. But now we get to finger pointing. GW got elected, and had a balanced budget and a surplus from the Clinton administration. So, he gave every body in the country a 300 dollar bonus, and then started a war. Obama, came in and took a broke country and made it broker. Congress is fat dumb and happy, because they don't have to take part in any of this, they get paid, no matter what. Mostly Dumb. But, my fellow Americans. We will some how get out of this situation, even if we have to start eating the family pets. Cat is especially good. All the crying in the world , won't fix it. Just remember who put those folks in the position to do all this? YOU DID! Think about Change, and bring back Bubba Clinton, he unscrewed the country, the last time he was in office. And, Papa Bush, had us on the ropes. Nuff Said
Clinton and GHW Bush really did nothing other than ride in in the coat tails of 8 years of solid rule. My 9 year old could have done the same such job with good advisors. Call an ace an ace and let us get rid of the in fighting and find a better way to fund the system. Income tax is antiquated and doesnt work.
As far as hiring our current government management (and i say management because non of them are true leaders) team in Congress and the White House I will be the first to say I have not once in the past 3 elections votes for anyone…only against the worse of two evils.
The problem Jason, is that if you vote for the lessor of two evils, you are still voting for an evil.
It is time to think outside of the 2 party system. Vote for no incumbent, even down to your local school board and vote for nobody affiliated with the Democrats or Republicans. Look for some independent to vote for in every office.
Thank God we can vote for non of the above here. I know that doesn't put somebody responsible into office, but it doesn't put another incompetent there either.
Super Doc, I'm in the same boat you are. My income is my social security and my VA disability.
My plan is to tell my creditors that I am in negotiations to raise my debt ceiling and as soon as I have a break through in that I'll let them know if I can pay them or not.
If any of my credit card companies raises my interest rate because I can't pay them, then I will never pay them again. Quite frankly, I don't have to buy anything on credit and if they sue me they can't collect because all of my money comes from the federal government.
How's that hope and change working for you Super Doc.
Unelect these irresponsible employees of ours.
Fuck this site! It blocks comments they don't like!
With the President and Congress wanting to withhold military pay both active duty and retiree welcome to the wonderful world of big government that has gotten too big for its britches.
Just a question, the United States Constitution REQUIRES the government "To provide AND maintain a navy" – see Section 8. This is different from what it says about the Army, where funding is an issue. How then, can the government not fund the Navy when the Constituion requires that the Navy must be provided and maintained???
Send that question to your congressman and senators Smith. I bet you don't get a response.
Happened in the 70's and caused a riot on the USS Tulare LKA112. No CNN back then just Sailors getting hit with night sticks. Happened in the 80s and caused delayed advancement, transfers and pay raises.
Most of Government is dysfunctional now. Never thought I would be ashamed to have been part of it. They sacrifice the veterans, active and retired, aging retired workers on Social security who have paid in all their lives in order to support Iraq, Afghanistan, Middle Eastern countries, Pakistan, etc., etc., etc.
Cut those programs first and put the importance back on America where it belongs!!
Seven Reasons Why August 2 Isn’t the End of the World
Washington is currently borrowing about 43 cents out of every dollar it spends, and is close to maxing out its credit limit.
Current law says Uncle Sam cannot borrow more than $14.3 trillion. A few months back, the Obama Administration demanded that Congress increase the national credit line by $2.5 trillion by May 16, or else, it warned, the United States would default on its debts, causing an “economic Armageddon.” ($2.5 trillion is just enough to aver the need for another debt hike until after the 2012 election.)
When May 16 came and went, and nothing happened, the Obama team set a new “Armageddon” date: August 2.
Unfortunately, a lot of folks in Washington and Wall Street – including some who should know better — seem to be taking this new deadline at face value. While it’s true that, at some point, the government will hit the ceiling and have to reduce spending by about 40 percent, exactly when that day will arrive, nobody knows for sure. And don’t believe anyone who tells you he does know. “No man knows the day or the hour.”
Maxed Out Day could be August 2. It could be August 22. Or it could be in September. The exact date really depends on whether the President is willing to tap certain reserves available to him, or decides to force a political crisis.
I cannot tell you when Maxed Out Day will be. But I can – and will — prove to you that August 2 doesn’t have to be it. Before I do so, here are three key numbers to remember:
1) We are projected to take in between $170 billion and $200 billion in August, in revenues.
2) We will likely spend about $300 billion in August.
3) Therefore, we face a gap of somewhere between $100 billion and $130 billion.
So what will happen, come the August 2 deadline?
The U.S. will still be able to pay its creditors (i.e., it won’t default). There’s no reason why the government needs to stop paying its creditors. Ever. Debt service payments (interest on the national debt) will only cost $30 billion in August. As I’ve noted, we will take in $170-200 billion.
Social Security checks will still go out. On July 12, President Obama suggested that, come August 2, he might not be able to send out the 50 million Social Security checks slated to go out in August. But since those checks only cost $50 billion, compared to $170-200 billion coming in, there will obviously be sufficient funds to mail them.
Medicare and Medicaid payments will go out as usual. Experts predict we’ll owe about $50 billion to doctors and hospitals. Well, with $170-200 billion coming in, granny will get her health care, just like always.
Veterans and active-duty military personnel will get paid. Paying our veterans will cost about $3 billion. Ditto our soldiers in uniform. That $6 billion is chump change by DC standards.
So that’s a total bill of $136 billion, easily covered by the $170-200 billion we’ll take in. Of course, we won’t be able to afford everything the government currently spends on. The Departments of HUD, Transportation, Commerce, Energy, and Education, for example, may have to take a pause while Congress works out a deal with the President. But is that really “the end of the world”?
Earlier, I mentioned the reserve funds the President can tap. As the Senate Finance Committee Republican staff helpfully point out:
5. The Treasury Department has $5 billion sitting idle in an account at the Federal Reserve. It can tap this account any time.
6. Treasury has close to $100 billion in mortgage-backed securities it can sell. It bought these securities during the financial crisis to bail out housing markets. Just last month, it sold $10.6 billion worth.
Finally, there’s a seventh reason why August 2 needn’t be anything more than another pleasant summer day in America.
7. Congress can pass the Cut Cap Balance Act (H.R.2560). This bill would give President Obama his $2.5 trillion debt increase — in exchange for three things: 1) $111 billion in cuts this coming year, 2) tight spending caps for the coming decade, and 3) congressional approval of a strong Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution. By strong, I mean one that makes it much harder for Congress to spend more than a fixed share of the economy, raise taxes, or add to the debt.
The Cut Cap Balance Act – which the House is slated to vote on today — would make this the last debt ceiling hike, ever. Unfortunately, President Obama has threatened to veto it. If he does, whose fault will it be when Maxed Out Day really does arrive?
Dean Clancy is FreedomWorks’ Legislative Counsel and Vice President, Health Care Policy.
I’ve been retired from the USAF for (36) yrs now. I live off me retired Pay in keep a balanced budget, I don’t owe any 14 T
Would those a–holes in DC spent their own money like they
do ours.. Take there pay away and see if we get even less work
from them;;;;;
If the government operated like most American do; they would spend
what they make. That's how you stay out of debt. What has happened
in Congress? Do they brain wash anyone elected into believing that
this is the way to run a country. We are on a down hill slide to being
another country that was…
Congress better not screw over the military,their going to need them when the people march on Washington
Well, all of you who voted for the current president are getting the "change" he talked about. And, yes, my husband is a retired 20+ yr military man
everyone keeps saying if you dont like the way things are going with this mess talk to your congressman or congreswomen well are`nt they the one doing all this in the first place DON`T TALK TO THEM JUST DON`T RE-ELECT THEM that`s the way you talk to them.. nuff said everyone said they wanted a change well I hope you like the change just remember this next year at election time and make another change vote all these idiots out and be done with it…..
Thanks richard. I've been preaching the same message.
We look like fools to the rest of the world. Take politics out of it and to the best thing for the USA. ( Texas or any one State) United we are strong.
This is kind of a slap in the face to those of us who served our nation, this is how the Federal Gov't says thanks for your service. Not once have I heard or read where the "DUMBIES" in Washington, D.C., or our president suggest that all our elected officials including the President and Vice President, take a 10, 20 percent pay cut. This would help with the budget. Another thing, the republicians not wanting to increase taxes on the most wealthy…the reason I believe is that these people give big dollars to our elected official war chests for relection….again our officials are protecting themselves…really makes you want to vote for these idiiots. NO MORE VOTING FOR ME…THEY ARE NOT WORTH MY VOTE…INCLUDING MY ELECTED OFFICIAL FROM THE STATE OF IDAHO.
Jimbo, please vote. Your vote is needed to fire these fools that we have representing us. Just make sure that you never, ever vote for an incumbent. I'm talking from the president down to your local school board. Get rid of them all.
We need you to vote Jimbo.
must be time for a revolution in this country and throw all 545 of congress & senate out and the pres too
Tell your friends this runalong. And write to your senators and congressman today and tell them the same thing.
It is time for a march on Washington, demonstrating our 2nd Amendment rights. I'm not advocating violence, just preparing for it in case it is necessary.
This is irresponsible on the part of TurboTax Timmy. The government has plenty of money to continue to pay the interest on the debt, the military, federal workers, and SS and Medicare are totally separate from the issue (although they are both underfunded as well and will have deficits of $46T by 2084 unless those programs are changed from the Ponzi schemes that they are now). We cannot continue to borrow 40 cents for every Dollar we spend. Obviously we cant just stop all at once, but if we don't start now, then when?
It is the worst sort of distortion to blame this on Congress. Ask yourself "WHO is actually threatening to do this, and what do they have to gain by doing so?" It then becomes painfully obvious that it is the Administration who is threatening to hold back SS, Disability, and military pay. Why? To bring pressure on Congress to lift the debt ceiling and allow them to continue borrowing and spending trillions of our dollars. There is more than enough money available to pay all of us. THINK about this, don't just react based on your political affiliations.
let ELECTED OFFICALS take a cut in there pay, see how they like it, i am 100% vet if they cut me or stop my chk, my wife and i would have to live on the street, we fight for this country and the goverment shit all over you,bring the troops home end the wars let the country fight there own wars, its about time we started taking care of our country,
Lest they forget. Elections are coming. It is sickning to know that we as disabled vets wont get paid because of the terrorists in Washington DC
Have faith,,,,have faith,,,,have faith,,,,,
Try to think about asking the question, "Why shouldn't this all be happening to us Americans?",,,,instead of "Why is this happening to us Americans?"
We are being tested by powers beyond our own…I honestly believe that God is testing us, individually, to help us take on , our own responsiblity for processing what is going on , nowadays,,and He is signaling us to call on Him,,,, to guide us through these times.
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As humans we have limited powers of voting, contacting our representatives in Congress, speaking and writing our concerns…..Not so with God… Let's try to control our own reactions to things going on about us,,,even though we may have difficulty controlling what is going on with things about us. We can do our own part, to help in this process of illiminating some of the evil changes going on about us.. ….In this way…we can set good example for our children and those about us….let's start trying to control ourselves first, let others see our example…and maybe we can get back our nation's morality and financial integrity,,again…Let's clean up our houses, first.
Bitch better have my money.
I AM SICK OF SEEING THE CONGRESS BLAMED. THEY ARE ONLY ONE THIRD OF THE PIE. IT IS THE PRESIDENT ON TV DAY AFTER DAY TRYING TO SCARE SENIORS WHICH I AM ONE WITH A DISABLED MILITARY HUSBAND. THE BUCK STOPS WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA FIRST.
Obama is not trying to scare anyone, its the Reps, is the problem, all they say is NO, Obama offer a 3 to 1 deal they walk away, the Reps, will run this country into ground just to spite Obama, I am retired, on SS, and disable Veitnam Veteran, I only get enough to just get by, I worked all my life, to get to point, Now the Reps want to take that away, give the Rich all kind of breaks, here I am just able to keep a roof over my head. If Obama cave in on this I will not vote for him next year!!!!!!!!!
Here's an idea: While you still have money salt some away and use it to throw a big block party when that "government" employee (sheriff) comes to take all your stuff! If we ALL don't pay our bills AND our taxes we have then stripped them of their power over us! Voting won't fix it. B*tch*ing won't fix it. STOP being productive
and watch it crumble!
Hee Hee! Ho Ho! It's off to hell we go!
I am sure that Congress will pay themselves. All this is so sickening and irresponsible. I have the responsibility of paying my mortgage and bills. I know that I have to pay that, always, or else. Why is it that Congress only realizes a few weeks before it's due that there won't be enough money? If I don't get my widows benefits, I have no money to pay my mortgage and bills. I don't want to know the domino effect on people that will lose their house. the economy is just getting worse, no matter how you see it. It's always the older, sick and disabled that have to cut back.
They want to play with military pay but I bet congress members will still receive there pay every payday without interruption!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's not blame the President, Congress or the Senate. Let's place the blame where it belongs, on us, we theople! We voted this group into office and we allowed this too happen. This country can only do so much, and fighting several wars on different fronts at the same time, plus unemployment, plus helping other nations, plus all the other things going on only leads to a mess. This mess didn't just happened, it took years for us to get to this point, and it will take years for us to recover. We can lay blame on alot of of other groups, but the blame starts with us, we the people.
OK, the first vote for Obama and his croonies was ignorance….doing it again will be stupidity!
Simple logic suggests that we, as a nation, all must participate in the effort to once again become whole, as clinicians say. I agree. My logic, however, tells me that our nations financial problems developed over a longer period of time than just one term in office, so I guess my comments do not include "new" politicians. And sense "we the people" don't have a say in how Congress spends the money, I suppose that lets us off the hook too, especially since the IRS, etc., makes sure we pay our fair share, on time, or else.
Therefore, we're now left with those who make the rules and spend the money and that sure as hell isn't me! Like every other veteran or active duty person, I represented my country, and like most American's, I paid for it then, and am paying for it now, yet I'm left to believe that due to the state of "our" economy I could very well not receive my disability payment because of politics! What in the hell is wrong with you people in Washington, D.C.
You're the ones charged with caring for this country's finances, you're the ones who spend the money, and you're the ones responsible for the trouble we're in now. And its no wonder that many of you who lived at the trough for decades are now retired, without concern for what you've done. Well, damn-it, if I don't get mine, you shouldn't be able to get yours either, and that includes the huge benefit package your families receive. That's right, if I can't provide for my family, you shouldn't be able to either. And just like the military who may not receive compensation, those of you currently in congress, and every other elected or appointed official, shouldn't get your salaries. This being done will guarantee that all of you will play nice, so the rest of us can go-on with our lives without being threatened every day in the media.
I'm sick and tired of you clowns playing with our lives and if you can't straighten out the problems of this country, then we need to find people who can, one vote at a time.
L. Trujillo
New Mexico
This is insane. I can't believe how selfish and ignorant our government can be. We put our lives on the line, put our familes through so much, now they don't want to pay us. I finally have an opportunity to return to school, make a better life for my family, and they wanna take that away. I think maybe I should run for a seat that is involved in all the decision making. None of they people voting for these shortages are the ones who will be hurt by it, and it just isn't fair.
I think the Republican Congress should focus on the problems facing our country more than how to keep Obama from getting re-elected and they should tax the so called job creators that are not creating jobs
another Sublett – which one are you? :)
I'm from the Illinois Sublett Clan
that's Republican House, the Senate is still run Dems and career Politicians
The gov. has enough tax revenue coming in to cover all essential services like SS, medicare, military & interest on the debt.. This is just scare tactics, however a lot of people will fall for it. If we don't stop this insane spending now – when will we?
sounds like its tea party time again !!!!!!!! if one by land and two by sea !!!!!!
Why don’t they reverse it and stop paying the elected members of this government, instead they threaten the members of the armed forces the defend this country and give there lives day after day while the government sit on there butts scratching there heads true display of government at it’s worst shame on them all.
What is the problem with the Government taking care of the LEGAL AMERICANS? Why are we sending billions upon billions to foreign countries in the form of aid? Why not stop all of the foreign aid? Why are we financing the rest of the world and not our own people?
STOP FOREIGN AID TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN COUNTRY FIRST
God helps those who help themselves. Get off your knees! If it hasn't helped in the past what makes you think that it will help now? Trust in your ability to get things done and be the leaders and fighters for freedom that you are heritage to. If the government doesn't serve us as it was meant to do, then get rid of them and start again. I really had to laugh at one of the latest anti-government shirts I saw recently in a local sport shop it read "Vote from the Rooftops". Sounds like folks are rightfully really getting up in the air. Good Hunting.
Please change your tag! The devil already has an advocate. It's called Congress!
Obama, all the Congressmen/women and all their direct Cabinets, assistants, czars, or whatever need to have their pay stopped completely if they cannot come to an agreement. They are not doing their jobs!!! Why should "We the People" pay them!!! WAKE UP AMERICANS!!! They all are using scare tactics to gain political advantage!!! I SAY, "FIRE THEM ALL COME NOVEMBER 2012, AND REPLACE THEM WITH PEOPLE THAT WILL DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR AMERICANS!!" We need a Constitutional Amendment that limits terms for Congressmen, that says no retirement from a political job, that says no law will be passed that doesn't apply to Congressmen equally as to the rest of the citizens, that says no special health policies for Congressmen other than what is given to the rest of the citizens equally, etc. THEN MAYBE THIS COUNTRY WILL GET BACK TO WHAR OUR FOUNDING FATHERS INTENDED IT TO BE! EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, EQUAL SHARING OF RESPONSIBILITY, EQUAL FREEDOMS FOR ALL!!! I fought for this country and it makes me sick to see the politics that are happening now-a-days. It's pure BULLSHIT POLITICS.
There's already enough money in the system to pay the military, social security, medicare, etc., and those items will be paid at the expense of other less important programs. But, the democrats and the president don't want to give up those 'less important programs' because they make up the lion's share of the Democratic voting base. The president is just using this as a scare tactic to dupe the uninformed into pressuring congress to take the deal the dems put on the table and raise the debt ceiling, which will just put us right back in this same position again when they spend up to that limit. The republicans have put forth a proposal to really cut spending (as apposed to the measly 2 billion proposed by the president) which is exactly what we have to do when faced with a budget issue. As the House has proposed, we need cuts that show results in the year 2012, not 2040 when there won't be any country left. The democrats are trying to preserve their voting base (those on government handouts) and need the big money to support it. It's really as simple as that.
It’s all a political, showy battle that neither Republicans or Democrats want to lose. The big dollars flow in from Big Business which one party embraces and the other party appeases. The votes flow from the average citizen, again, one party appeases and one party embraces. Somehow it all balances itself out. Fear can only last so long before reality creeps in. I don’t envy the folks in DC having to face all these decisions every morning. Like others, I am weary from all the infighting. They will eventually reach some decision,; we will come to accept it or at least adapt in some way and move on.
Our country has gone from "of the people, for the people and by the people" to , of the money, for the money and by the money
If my disability check has been held hostage to the political asperations of those overpaid stooges in Washington, then I gues it’s time for me to teach anyone who has the money to pay me, how to fly.
This is so wrong! People that live and depend on gov benefit checks need their monthly checks. What are we supposed to do?
The government officials still will get their pay!
We need a new President and we also need to replace many sitting lawmakers.
I am sick and tired of this "blame game" tactic, I mean WE elected this mopron's in the first place!
So in fact, it is our fault we are in this situation… we beelieved all their lies, we believed the B.S. they put out during their election / re-election speeches, we put the mark on the ballots… so it is our fault the country is in such a sorry state!
Quit blaming the morion's we put into office!
Instead… fix it… elect the folks that don't follow the lobbist, the groups that wield more power than the "popular vote"… REALLY!?!??!?!?
Get out and vote… call, write or email the idiot you elected and tell them to "STOP IT"!
Quit pushing the blame onto them… "them" is US!
Tell your elected official to quit posturing and do your job!
If you "Know what you would do, if it were you" then tell your senator & congessman to do it!
Hell, they work for us, not the other way around… make them earn that retirement they get when they are voted out of office, which includes medical care… a medical care that exceeds anything us mere mortals will never see!
So quit conplaining and do something, its easy to complain, but way harder to do something about it!
Between the blogs and the staged news conferences… I am not sure who is worse!
Face it, the Senate and Congress are broke…. Let's join together and just fix it!
So our folks get paid, and those other countries on the US teat DON'T!
For our elected officals to even bring up military retirement pay cuts, veteran pay cuts and social security pay cuts is totally a brech of contract by our government. I served over 30 years which the government promised to give me retirement, veterans disability if injured or wounded while serving and social security monetary deduction from my checks for a return if disabled while serving or at an age to recieve it. It is a disgrace to us citizens of the United States for their actions. They call themselves patriots but over 90% of them to inclued our president have never served nor have their children and they act like we owe them. Freedom freeloaders is all they are no better than Saddam or Kaddaffy. I am a patriot sworn to protect all enemies foreign and domestic seems the enemy is domestic.
I spent 10 years on active duty during Viet-Nam. I have always felt that there was no statute of limitations on my oath to protect the constitution, but I am now having serious doubts about that oath.
Our president and representatives also took and oath and now all they want to do is preserve the political parties rather than us, their employers.
I believe a march on Washington may be necessary to keep these unruly employees in line.
i hope you all are sending email to the president and your local reps as well as the leaders in the senate and house of representatives
Thing is, everyone bitches and complains but "as a group" no one does crap! A few individuals that buck the system will be labeled as nut cases and either killed or shipped off to a mental hospital (or worse). But if 10-15 MILLION people take over Washington DC and demand change they will listen. BUT, it ain't going to happen since there aren't enough balls in the whole bunch of us!
YOU are exactly right. You hit it on the head with this one!
This worthless leadership has caused this problem. OK, the first vote for Obama and his ignorant, democratic croonies was ignorance….doing it again will be documenting your stupidity!
I'd call it scare tactics guys – even the Mighty Obama knows better then to mess with SS and military pay. Still, that does not excuse the fact that it's been hung out like crab bait… Very poor leadership in Washington – no priorities and positively zero anticipation, because every time these issues come up, it seems to catch everyone off guard!!
Salary of US President – $400,000.
Salary of retired US Presidents – $180,000.
Salary of House/Senate – $174,000.
Salary of Speaker of House – $223,500.
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders – $193,400....
…Average US Citizen -$33,000 to $77,000.
AVERAGE US MILITARY SALARY… $19,000 TO $22,000 !!
I think we found where the cuts should be made! Repost if you agree
QUIT SENDING BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PAKISTAN ASSHOLES, I FOUGHT AND DEFENDED MY COUNTRY FOR 5 YEARS AND GOT NOTHING BUT A BROKEN BACK. WHY THE HELL SHOULD I HAVE TO GIVE UP MY RIGHTFULLY EARNED DISABILITY BENEFITS CAUSE YOU DICKS CAN'T MANAGE MONEY
This whole mess is part of a grand scheme to bring the US down. It is a real shame when we can make sure that all the foreign aid gets out but not take care of our own disabled, retired and active duty. What is happening is so sick and the government seems to think that we are ignorant and will just go along with everything they do.Next year we have an election for President let's elect one that can do the job and works for us for a change and that includes the congess and senate.
First, new Senator Dean Heller (R-NV) submitted a bill that congressmen and senators would not be paid as long as there is no solution to the debt crisis. If we can't pay our seniors, our disabled vets and our military, then he felt that those that caused the problem should not be paid either. They (read Harry Reid) refused to let it be brought up for a vote. Of course they'll be paid to continue to screw us. There is no sense of urgency as long as their direct deposit is made. Where is the money coming from for their wages?
Second. Why am I not hearing more from our military. If they are not being paid, they should just lay down their arms and refuse to work. They can't court-martial them all!
Third. If they do not pay us our social security and our veterans disability, we cannot sit idly by and accept this is being okay. It may be time to make a march on Washington, D.C. demonstrating our 2nd Amendment rights. I'm not advocating violence, but I am advocating physically thowing these fools out of office.
LOCK N LOAD F*#K IT IS TIME THEY KNOW WHO THE REAL PEOPLE OF THE US HAS TO SAY NOT THE DAMN LOBBIEST TELLING THEM WHAT THE AMERICA PEOPLE WANT LETS SHOW THEM IF THEY LOOK OUT THEIR WINDOWS.AND SEE VETS THAT HAVE (PTSD) WITH A AR 15 IN THEIR HANDS IT JUST MIGHT WAKE THESE F*#ERS UP AND RISE OUR PAY AND GET US BETTER HEALTH CARE I AM SICK GOING TO A APPT. At THE VA and we have a non english speakind DR. TRYING TO TALK TO THE VET. I AM SICK OF IT ALL
Fourth. It is time to fire every one of these fools that have caused this calamity and who don't have the sense to bring it to an end right now. The 2012 elections are not that far off folks. I don't care what party they are from, they are standing in the way of a resolution. They got us here and can't figure out that they are the problem. In 2012, do not vote for an encumbent for any office, from POTUS right down to your local school board.
Here's a crazy thought: Instead of cutting $$ to Americans, especially to those who have already earned their $$, how about STOP ALL FOREIGN AID! That should be plenty of $$ to fund our treasury. Why pay $$ to other countries, especially foreign countries that hate us and work against us. Bring Hillary home and make billions.
fuck em all
i have my weapon ready this will be a real war.
Salary of US President – $400,000.
Salary of retired US Presidents – $180,000.
Salary of House/Senate – $174,000.
Salary of Speaker of House – $223,500.
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders – $193,400....
…Average US Citizen -$33,000 to $77,000.
AVERAGE US MILITARY SALARY… $19,000 TO $22,000 !!
I think we found where the cuts should be made! Repost if you agree
Obama has had a few news confrenses and not one reporter has asked him, "Mr. president, you made the statement that you can not guaranteee that SS checks will be sent out on the second. Can you guarantee that you or the congress will collect your paychecks on the same day. Or are you going to say to the american people, screw you. We deserve our money and you have nothing to squack about."
If SS checks aren't sent out, that tells me that SS is out of business and that truth will be shown shortly. The lies are finally caught. If the armed services aren't paid, I say go on strike. And see what happens. Who is going after the armed services, congree, Obama? Or calling China, Russia or Mexico to send troops to take care of the on-strikers? That I would like to see. As for the vets
pensions, you talk about riots in the streets. As Al Jolson said, "You ain't seen nothing yet."
They better get offf their arses and do what is right for the american people, in other words, s–t or get off the pot.
No one in the US Armed Forces would stop working because of no pay – unlike Washington, they have more integrity then that!
I tried feeding my children integrity one time. They damn near starved to death.
maybe you shouldn't wait on the gov't…haven't you learned that by now?
Time to impeach another president, Time to hold the congress,senate and supreme court accountable.
It is downright SCARY to see so many misinformed on this blog. You'all still believe there is a 'difference' between RIGHT and LEFT! ? Get a grip and educate yourselves! Things are the way they are because they are orchestrated and implemented that way….INTENTIONAL! But, if you dont know HISTORY,
or watch what has happened to others on the planet, you're CLUELESS.
If they don't resolve this problem, there will be total chaos in this country if veterans and seniors do not get their pensions. Millions will have to file bankruptcy. Many will lose their homes. Banks will go broke because people will pull their money out (DON'T leave your money in the bank!). And the elderly who barely survive on Social Security, will simply die. This is the message we have to get across to those who are deciding our fate.
Let’s get someone that has experience with fiscal matters like a governor who balances the state budgets. Let Obama be a big wake up call for the future. Experience matters, words mean nothing.
TEXAS Governor Perry for President!!
This is crazy the did not the congress just increase their pay just a while ago. Most of them are wealthy already. How about they take a 55-60K a year for their work. All their expenses are already paid anyway. Oh ya and get rid of their special medical plans and stick them on social security benefits like everyone else. Seems absurd that Veterans and currently military families are even being targeted for cuts. Tell the man who comes back blind, missing a leg or has other health issues there is no money. See how they feel about it.
I can say why would anyone go into the military knowing that they could lose everything and that nobody will take care of them or their family when they in or when they are back. Give me a break it is not like Military personal as whole are bringing home the bacon at 35 and 40K on average. How can this even be an issue when we have people in the Gov making WAY MORE than that. My god it it were not for them these so called politicians would not even be in office because we would have been overrun by the America haters a long time ago.
Wake up and take care of the people that gave their sacrifice for their country. Maybe it is time these politician make their sacrifice for this country or get out. There is no reason politicians need special benefits and need to make 200K + to serve. I am sure there are average people that would serve for much less. After all are not these offices are suppose to be available to the average man/woman when and why is this now a place only for the rich and powerful? Is this not why America left England to begin with? How quickly we forget. The politicians need to get their crap together and stop screwing the people all in the name of their greed and power. Just like Social Security. Why the hell have they not paid back the 3 trillion dollars they "borrowed" interstingly enough if we had that in the Social Security fund we would not be having issues there either. They did not borrow the sole the money for their one private interest and now WE THE PEOPLE are the onese suffering. The Military, The Verterans, The elderly and soon the middle class and the youth of America. Do not be surprised if one day we wake up and find people immigrating to other countries from America to find opportunity. VERY SAD!!!!
Morons one and all. We think that this anonymous whining will do any good, guess again. What have Egypt and Pakistan do, that a reflection of what’s necessary in the reality of it all.It is just to easy to sit at a computer and gripe. The need for people to get in the face of their elected officials is now more important than ever. E-mail is meaningless to to the politicos, e-mail just gets you on the watch list. Positive messages bring monetary solicitions, negative e-mail brings the MaCarthy Commission. Ghandi showed the best way,passive resistance. Clean out your bank accounts, leave tiny balances, refuse to be bullied, buy nothing not actually needed for your survival, let those new foreign cars rot, buy only North American, in other words boycott every thing foreign or unecessary. Go communal, share with others, get off the roads, ride a bicycle, or walk. The citizens have to take responsibility for their own survival. No, that does not include giving up any money owed you by the government, (the 546), it means demanding what is yours by “contract” from government entities. Defense of you and yours is what must be demanded of the Government 546. Speak up and speak loud, easy to say but scary to do. May the presence of your almighty God be with us all.
The worthless politicians are willing to put everyone's pay on the line but their own. In California when the budget was approved with fudged numbers the politicians wheren't paid. They got all excited and passed something more in line with reality less then a week later. This was Democrats vs. Democrats. Let's get real! A worthless politican is only motivated by money! The only legacy they worry about is their bank account.
The first place to cut is in all of our economic aid and military aid to EVERY country in the world. Charity begins at home people.
The second place to cut is in the pay of our elected officials. We didn't give them all of those raises. They gave the raises to themselves. Where in this country does the employee dictate his or her own pay. WE ARE THE EMPLOYERS. Every time they want a raise it should be on the ballot where we tell them how much they'll be paid and how much their benefits are worth.
It is time to clean house in Washington and fire every one of our employees there.
To John A L
Sorry but it the whole gang of Washington, DC terrorists holding it’s citizens hostage to make a point. The infamous tribe of 546 + 9.
I simply can't believe I was stupid enough to entrust my future to my government thinking that it (the government) was honorable and would keep it's promise to me. It's a sick feeling to realize that while I was spending 25 years overseas, and at sea thinking I was "defending and protecting our freedom" the american people, and politicians were stateside selling our freedoms down the river.
One point! Watch, the "seniors" on social security will be exempted from not being paid. That's one group that doesn't have to worry about being betrayed. AARP is the most influential lobby on capital hill. Problem for us is that the AARP has betrayed the up coming generation. The government has already assured them that any changes to social security and medicare will not apply to them. It bothers me that all they care about is themselves. They don't care about the generation behind them. That mentality is one of the things that got us where we are!
I am a 100% Disabled Veteran if I don't recieve my check every month it will really hurt I also get Social Security, you can mess with my pay but you better not mess with our Active duty personal who are on the lines fighting. What a damn shame this Government cant get it right. PAY OUR MILITARY!!!! Yes we as disabled vets have to be paid as well but I will protest this to the bitter end, get every VFW. Legion, together and protest (Non-violently) our Government ineptness to do their jobs.GOD BLESS YOU ALL SERVING AND GOD BLESS THOSE WhO HAVE SERVED. THOSE INJURED my heart goes out to you all that your Government is failing your sacrifice
I believe that this government is as corrupt as any in history. To not pay military, veterans, the aged and infirmed is dispicable. The fdral employes ie politicians should bare the brunt of the over spending. Afterall they decide how to spend the money. They all need an ethics lesson. Personally if I were still serving I may stop if not paid. Since I am one of the social security pople who will worry about paying my bills that I obviously can afford since I make so very much that it will balance the budget to not pay me. Wake Washington and make the hard desisions we pay you for. We elect these people and treat them like they will fix themselves when they make poor decisions. We are to blame for this as well. When the government makes bad decisions we do not hold them accountable. We just reelect them over and over again and wonder why nothing changes. I blame the American public for this as much as the politicians. Huge promises that never get fulfilled and still wwe keep there asses in power. We are the beaten and abused partner that just stays because we deserve no better.
To those proclaiming that it is not the presidents job to settle this, i say bull**it. If he is going to take credit for killing bin Laden when he was sitting in Washington, then he has to take the blame for this situation. You can't have one without the other. The buck actually does stop with him.
I'm telling you, QUIT playing the game! Quit caring! Quit paying! If we ALL
STOP they WILL go away. And THAT'S what needs to happen…
Oh, and if something is screwed up somebody somewhere wants it that way!
[American Oligarchs]
If you think this stuff "just happens" you are truly stupid…
This goes on year after year because you pay into it. YOU pay their taxes. YOU buy their gas. YOU buy their oil. YOU buy their cars. YOU make it happen for THEM and THEY treat YOU like dirt…year after year…
All those that think that not raising the Debt Limit talk to me after its not raised, do you really think that all those people that saying what will happen if its not raised, is lying, come on people, lets get real here. I am a vietnam disable veteran, I don't want to take that chance. Obama has bent over backward, reaching out to the other side, and they want move one inch. There is few on the other side of the idle, would like to see nothing better then, this country to default, for political gain. What wrong with the rich paying a little more!!!!
Maybe the policticals in Congress had better remember who got them elected and also who is defending them from these so called terrorist they seem not to remeber are keeping the servicemen and women oversea at this time. Also Obamaaaa needs to remember who elected him especially the service people who he has kept overseas after he promised to bring them back and instead added more overseas and is keeping them there. One other thing get Obamass out of the White house and get Christianity back in, now that he answers only to Islamic principals.
This is just plan UNCONSCIOUSABLE BS AND OUTRAGEOUS! To think the the Congress and the President could even THINK about stopping military pay no less mouth it, is an absolute DISGRACE. Go to HELL.
Recall the whole bunch of liars and thieves. They need to be working for us for free! The like to serve than they should not be paid. Our kids get elected to student offices and do their jobs for free. Our elected officials are all rich and squander millions on elections only to steal it back from us the taxpayers!
I'm GLAD to see some of you "get"it". WE are NOT broken THEY are!!!
The Lord Is My Shepard I Shall Not Want…
Let's begin with all those elected Washitonians taking a pay cut…..about 25% worth…..and nothing but <3% in the years to come. While we're at it, how about decreasing their medical and retirement benefits. Let them worry and suffer a little as the Veterans and their families, all the Disabled, the elderly existing on Social Security and Medicare, etc. Life isn't pretty out here in the "real" world. I'd like to propose letting the wealthy suffer a nice tax increase. Also for the working folks, just a measly $1.00 a pay check increase in the SS tax would certainly shore up those funds. And all of us Americans must register to vote, research the candidates in depth and make a wise decision when we vote. Our economy can't be blamed on anyone but us…the voters.
Damn! If they freeze my veterans disability pension, I'll have to stay up nights trying to figure out how to replace that $.95!
Ha Ha. Good one. Is that before or after taxes?
Sorry! I did'nt express myself correctly! The $.95 cents is the tax I'm trying to avoid paying. The pension is actually $1.10! I know, pensions are'nt taxable . Artistic license! Ha! Ha!
Time for a TOTAL house cleaning folks!!! Impeach him, recall congress and the house and exile them and their families out of OUR country or on the high seas if another country won't take them.
The calculation is simple: All of the present politicians in office should lose at least 90% of their constituency (voters)votes. None of them should be getting any votes from all the colors of skin who are (including their total families) dependent upon VA benefits, social security retirement/disability, active military servants and medicare dependents. Not to mention the farmers' loss of sales to the food industry, the food industry itself, all factory, production and sales industries hence heavy lay-offs with very short-term unemployment benefits if any. Then you have the banking and finance industries that will have to close due to "insufficient" deposit activity to keep the afloat (oops, more lay-offs here too). As well, the unions, oil and gas industries, auto makers, services industries will all be down to a few nuts and bolts to say the least.
We all need desperately to wake up and smell the coffee. It's WAAAAAY past due to get a massive tea party revolt on it's way.
These politicians are soooo close to performing (if not already performed) treason type acts. Here's a quiz question: What's worse? Treason or terrorism?
WE NEED TO TAKE SOME TYPE OF FINAL CORRECTIVE ACTION FOLKS!!!!!!!
Let's ALL get to the polls next election and totally clean house. Let's replace them with disabled veterans, retired and inactive military, factory workers, ordinary hard working neighbors etc. Then get and KEEP GOD in our country too.
Hell, I'm a retired banker (I know that game all too well), Viet Nam Marine Corpsman Veteran, former senior government agent and a former college instructor and I know exactly what I'm talking about. It doesn't take a brain surgeon or rocket scientist or a third grade math teacher to do what it takes a lot of common sense to get done.
Let's do this!!!!!!!
Wouldn't it be NEAT if 10,000,000 people started showing up in D.C.?
Just FILL it up with people! Organise enough to feed and water everybody but do NOTHING but stand there and block the streets. Politicians can't move. Lobbyists can't move. Bureaucrats can't move. Ride the trains all day!
When they finally ask "WHAT DO YOU WANT???" Just say: NOTHING. WE want you gone gone gone…
People POWER.
What is with the use of the words lose and loose. It is not, whoever flinches first, looses. It is, whoever flinches first, loses. This must be taught in school now as I see them often misused.
we need to get together and take back washington it has been done before
the military has an obligation to defend themselves and the people of this country anainst ALL ENEMIES foreign and DOMESTIC the problem is we are to complacent and we let them do this to us they are also the ones who got organized in the 60's and helped stop the war and they hated soldiers then and they still do this country needs a revolt and congress lead out of town and we need to start over if i am going to be broke i would like to do it to myself as i don't need someone elses help to screw me over everyone not just the military needs to bear arms as is your right and take back this country
hope i don't go to jail for this posting but we need to get together people and not just talk about it talking gets you nothing
I think just the THREAT of a massive sit-in would get their attention. Look at all the money they'd have to spend to get ready and try to quell it!!
its strange i did not hear about anyone on the hill or in the white house taking a pay cut and the check one of them gets a month will cover 10 soliders or veterans!!
if our govt would stop paying the Musilum Nations what they called helping humanity… Then we would have not had to borrow any damn money to begin with.. think about it, does anyone remember when Iraq was paid 52 billion a year, what about Syria,Jordan, Egypt, Baharan, Yemen, Arab Imigrants, and every other musilum nation. and this govt keeps borrowing from China.
its a sad day when we look at whats paid out each year to nations that hate us. take care of our own, bring all troops home,, and if i were still active duty when my paycheck stopped,,, h ell,,, I'd stop.. let the sand boggie have all their oil.. drill in the rockies and tap the worlds largest oil reserve. it all money men,,all is over money,, we have (in my opinion) a chimp govt doing nothing but spending us into a hole deeper n deeper .
Obama made sure he run up our debt so he could could bust America. think about what hes said. "we are not at war with Islam and never will be" you can bet yer sweet ars if the musilum table was turned,, our troops wouldnt even be there cause Obama is a islamic Musilum himself, of what sect is unknown, i think, once again my humble opoinion, he deliberatly spent America into a hole.. stop the money.. shutting down our war machine,, bring everyone home and impeache some S>O>B> who acts like they know everything.I've noticed now he even stutters some when he's in the frying pan….
OH one last thing when the govt shuts down klick his ars out the door with no money. right along with congress.. no money no jobs. that we we can all stand in the soup line.. take the billions we pay all the Musilum Islamics and spend it on America.. 500 thousand sounds like a darned good paycheck for me.. we have 300 million Americans.. lets devide all the musilum stamped cash for Americans.
SP5, EO2, disabled vietnam Vet. not era but in country vet..
hold ur line on country or not ! we all stand together!
I agree with Patricia above, but just to add. Also cut most aide to overseas countries. Especially the ones that don't even like the United States. It's great that we want to help, but at this time we simply need to take care of ourselves. As for Congress, they should also lose their lifetime full pay guarantee when they resign or quit and receive a pension which represents a percentage of their normal pay. We need to start with a fresh brand new Congress. The current ones are too full of themselves.
LOCK N LOAD F*#K IT IS TIME THEY KNOW WHO THE REAL PEOPLE OF THE US HAS TO SAY NOT THE DAMN LOBBIEST TELLING THEM WHAT THE AMERICA PEOPLE WANT LETS SHOW THEM IF THEY LOOK OUT THEIR WINDOWS.AND SEE VETS THAT HAVE (PTSD) WITH A AR 15 IN THEIR HANDS IT JUST MIGHT WAKE THESE F*#ERS UP AND RISE OUR PAY AND GET US BETTER HEALTH CARE I AM SICK GOING TO A APPT. At THE VA and we have a non english speakind DR. TRYING TO TALK TO THE VET. I AM SICK OF IT ALL WE ARE LIVEING IN PAIN AND DID GET WOUNDED OR SOME PAID THE BIG PRICE AND WE ARE TRASH HOW MANY VETS ARE HOMELESS WHAT IF WE SHOW THEM ******** WHO REALY RUN THIS COUNTRY
I'm a (service related) disabled Veteran and I draw Social Security. For the past two or three years I have been frozen. No increases. You will never hear me complain. In fact I would like to thank the great American Military and taxpayers for their help.
Frozen income hurts but I understand. I'm a simple man. If the President and Congress take the lead (for a change). Go back to 2008 income and freeze income til further notice. This means each and every Government employee and any and all entitlement recieptant.. This could be done by Unions i.e. SEIU, Autoworkers, Teachers etc. The only people that should get increases in pay are the Combat Zone Military. If we could do this nearly everybody has interest in the solution. The alterative is to screw the Military, Veterans and Elderly. Maybe the welfare professional could give up twinkeys and cell phones.
obama referenced a CBS poll that said "80% of Americans support a tax increase." About two hours later I read a NYT/USA Today poll that said 22% of Americans support a tax increase. obama believes what he wishes, you should do the same. obama risks YOUR health, well being, and lively hood plenty enough. There is not need for you to do so also. Two people doing the same job is wasting the time, energy, and effort of at least one of them.
http://blogs.forbes.com/merrillmatthews/2011/07/1…
What Happened to the $2.6 Trillion Social Security Trust Fund?
Jul. 13 2011 – 2:25 pm | 60,289 views | 0 recommendations | 85 comments
Here’s how President Barack Obama answered CBS’s Scott Pelley’s question about whether he could guarantee that Social Security checks would go out on August 3, the day after the government is supposed to reach its debt limit: “I cannot guarantee that those checks [he included veterans and the disabled, in addition to Social Security] go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.”
And Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner echoed the president on CBS’s Face the Nation Sunday implying that if a budget deal isn’t reached by August 2, seniors might not get their Social Security checks.
Continued in Part 2
Well, either Obama and Geithner are lying to us now, or they and all defenders of the Social Security status quo have been lying to us for decades. It must be one or the other.
Here’s why: Social Security has a trust fund, and that trust fund is supposed to have $2.6 trillion in it, according to the Social Security trustees. If there are real assets in the trust fund, then Social Security can mail the checks, regardless of what Congress does about the debt limit.
President Obama’s budget director, Jack Lew, explained all this last February in USA Today:
“Social Security benefits are entirely self-financing. They are paid for with payroll taxes collected from workers and their employers throughout their careers. These taxes are placed in a trust fund dedicated to paying benefits owed to current and future beneficiaries. … Even though Social Security began collecting less in taxes than it paid in benefits in 2010, the trust fund will continue to accrue interest and grow until 2025, and will have adequate resources to pay full benefits for the next 26 years.”
Notice that Lew said nothing about raising the debt ceiling, which was already looming, and it shouldn’t matter anyway because Social Security is “entirely self-financing” and off budget. What could be clearer?
Unconvinced, syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer wrote a subsequent column questioning Lew’s assertions. “This [Lew’s] claim is a breathtaking fraud. The pretense is that a flush trust fund will pay retirees for the next 26 years. Lovely, except for one thing: The Social Security trust fund is a fiction. … In other words, the Social Security trust fund contains—nothing.”
Social Security status-quo defenders have assured us for the past 25 years that Social Security is fully funded—for the next 25 years, or 2036. So if there are real assets in the Social Security Trust Fund—$2.6 trillion allegedly—then how could failure to reach a debt-ceiling agreement possibly threaten seniors’ Social Security checks?
The answer is that the federal government has borrowed all of that trust fund money and spent it, exactly as Krauthammer asserted. And the only way the trust fund can get some cash to pay Social Security benefits is if the federal government draws it from general revenues or borrows the money—which, of course, it can’t do because of the debt ceiling.
Thus, the answer to my initial question is that the president is telling the truth now in the sense that he is conceding there’s no money in the trust fund to pay benefits; but he and other Social Security status-quo defenders have been deceiving the public for decades.
And here’s the real irony: Anytime someone has proposed personal Social Security retirement accounts as a way to ensure that people have real assets in their own account without bankrupting the government or future generations, defenders of the status quo would pounce, calling such a reform, in Al Gore’s words, a “risky scheme.” They have vociferously claimed that those trust fund assets are real and that only by having the government manage and control the accounts would seniors be guaranteed to get their retirement checks.
Well, we have the status quo and seniors may not get their checks. Had we shifted to a system of pre-funded, personal Social Security retirement accounts years ago, this wouldn’t even be an issue—because retirees would have their own money in their own accounts.
Yes, the accounts likely would have declined when the stock market went down, though not if the reform were structured like three Texas counties did 30 years ago (see here). But in case you haven’t noticed, Social Security revenues also declined during the economic downturn—because fewer people were working—so that the government is paying out more in benefits than it is taking in, and hence needing additional federal revenues, a fact admitted by Lew.
If the budget crisis has done nothing else, it has exposed the decades-long lie about the solvency of the Social Security trust fund. The trust fund may be backed by the “full faith and credit of the federal government,” as defenders constantly remind us, but if it had real assets the president wouldn’t be talking about seniors missing their checks.
(Update: For a second opinion, on July 16 an editorial in the Wall Street Journal made the same argument as this piece, even to the similar title.)
Merrill Matthews is a resident scholar with the Institute for Policy Innovation in Dallas, Texas. http://twitter.com/MerrillMatthews
Thank you to all those elected officials that are about to stop my income soon.
I am a 100% disabled US Army veteran, Vietnam ERA. I also receive Social Security disability as allowed by Federal Law. My wife is drawing her regular Social Security payments each month.
So do I just tell all my creditors to stand in line while you all act like little children that do not have a parent to spank your Butts? We have already started to find the shelters and food banks. I cannot wait to have my hard earned credit rating of 850 drop like a rock after 61 years of keeping it high and so good my word is often taken as collateral. Good Lord, act your educated ages would you please?
i feel for your wife and you brother .just hold your position for now . we may have to lock and load again!
For every day congress don't pass the dept law,They should lose 1000 dollars a week of their pay, and mayble they will see and feel the pain. The money that are taken should not be return to them,It's money lossed. What do you think.
Doesn't make sense does it.How can this great country let the budget get so far out of hand.Are our elected politicians doing what they were elected to do,i think not.Maybe if we stopped USA. companies from setting up cheap labor companies off shore and let the work be done here we would decrease the unemployment giving our people jobs which in turn would put more revenue in this country thus helping us get out of debt.
WHY NOT LOSE YOUR PAY MR. PRESIDENT AND GOVERMENT OFFICALS..INSTEAD OF TAKING FROM US, NO YOU WILL BE SURE TO GET YOUR PAY….THESE VETERANS SERVED AND THEY DESERVE THERE PAYS..AGREE WITH THESE COMMENTS…TAKE FROM YOUR FAMILIES NOT OURS!
well all i can say is if,the military,veterans,and disabled are not getting pa.,yed,then niether should any elected oficial.only problem is ,they want be hurt by having to wait for there pay because most of them are millionaires anyway.But for us this is our only sourse of income and leave us with no way to pay our biils.But iam sure that dose,nt bother them.There only concern is protecting the rich and big corperations,the minute they accept money from the big corperation for campaign cotrbutions ,they are bought and payed for,and are no longer there for the people.but only for thair on self intrest.
Our country has gone to hell since Obama and the rest of the idiots have gotten in office. I agree w/everyone when they said to have the gov't officials take a pay cut or halt their pay. They don't do anything, yet they want to stop the pay for all those that have fought for their country or are still fighting. The military and veterans should get paid, no matter what, for their service. If the military and veterans don't get paid, this country is gonna be worse than it already it (if that's even possible).
Hey president and the rest of you idiots: Give up your own pay for the people who have given or who are giving their lives for this country. That's the very least you can do. And at least you would be doing something for this country, which is a complete change from the nothing that you've been doing.
Congress in shambles way before Obama and second Bush. How can you expect one president in a 4 year term to clean up decades of turmoil and over spending? The deficit was in the trillions before Obama! Country at war and you have no compassion. I agree that all of congress needs pay cut and stoppage of pay for a while. This go way before Obama, Bush, clinton, Bush……
The pres and ALL of congress get paid during a shutdown !!!!
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/04/congress-pay-government-shutdown-/1
Lets all remember this come November 2012. DO NOT re-elect anyone in office now. The American people can clean house and keep it clean. Down with professional politicions and up with staesmen. It's the only way we are going to get this s— straight.
Y elect anyone? No one has got it right. Congress gas final say these days. Think everyone, please….
these politicians are potentially cutting their own throats by prolonging this….people can/will find other ways to provide for themselves and their families if forced to!! and they will start asking themselves why do we need govt.?? and the answer is WE DON'T!!!!
Remember in November 2012
They need to make a law protecting us from losing our vehicle, getting our utilities shut off and from losing our home while this is going on. The Tea party are going to have their say on this why can the rest of us have our say too
Let me see, if they stopping paying our soldiers that means the soldiers dependants will not be getting any money!! So, if the soldier does not provide support for his dependants, does that mean he/she can be charged with non-support and lose his/her children and face criminal charges?? Does it mean that the soldier has an obligation to leave the war zone and come home to protect his/her dependants because his government has placed them in harms way and it is his/her duty to provide and protect his dependants?? But wait, will the soldier be charged for leaving the war zone and going home to protect his dependents?? So like a lose lose situation for our brave soldiers and a win win for our sorry politicians
Does this mean the politicians will not get paid?? We know their families will not go hungry or without.
I agree
Can we say work together or get face the chance of getting RECALL. Don't let the rich get richer, middle class get poor and the poor get poorer. Bill Gate s, Ted Turner and orther super rich are for higher taxes they say that will sure make our economy get on the right track
How can we afford to send Michelle O'bama and the kids to south africa to visit mandella but cant' afford to take care of our people, what a mess, but he did say he was bringing change, just didn't say that all we would have left is a little change in our pockets.
Have listened to varied and numerous comments made by all the politicians, but as usual I have not seen nor heard where they are willing to cut their pay nor are they willing to do away with their perks. Wonder why that is????? Surely couldn't be because they are so superior to us could it???? Land Air Force One and stop all Limo's until they settle the situation, and stop all pay and perks for them. Wonder how long before it would be settled?????????? blcjac
I don’t think it is right to remove pay from present/previous/disabled military persons. The freedom fought for does not exist when the richand the politicians are the only ones allowed to live without fears of loss or wages stopped. Stop flying all over the world at taxpayers expense, cut politicians salary to that of a normal employee, prevent limo services for politicians and free dinners that cost thousands or millions of dollars and then review the budget again. Everything is costing more while salaries are staying the same.
Once politicians are reduced to standard pay and having to purchase their insurance like the ficticious free Americans and their free rides stop the budget will drop tremendously. And taxes are reduced for them not us…
why has't the veterans organizations organized to stop this government from threatening to default on its obligation to take care of those who served in the armed forces. Isn't there a constatutional right to overthrough a corrupt government?
THIS IS OUR AMERICA——ALL OF US IN GOOD HEALTH OR BAD HAS GIVEN OUR LIVES TO THIS NATION AND HERE WE SET LETTING THE GOVERNMENT RUIN EVERYTHING WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES AND THIS NATION.LOOK AT OTHER COUNTRIES GOING DOWN TOO.EVEN SMALL NATIONS STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN AND EVEN DIE DOING IT..REMEMBER WHAT MY GRAND PA TOLD ME ABOUT 65 YEARS AGO…LEE,STAND UP FOR WHATS RIGHT AND NEVER BACK DOWN ON WHAT GOD HAS GIVEN YYOU THE RIGHT TO FIGHT FOR…..THAT FIGHT WAS FOR AMERICANS FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.MY COUNTRY IS GOING DOWN WITH THE DEVIL EVERYDAY…I`M ASHAMED OF YOUR PRESIDENT-HE SUCKS EGGS..GO AHEAD RUIN MY LFE,GO AHEAD TAKE WHAT YOU WILL,BUT,YOU WILL NEVER TAKE MY FAITH AND LOVE I HAVE FOR MY GOD IN HEAVEN.EVER SINCE YOU CAME OUT OF NO WHERE OBAMA YOU HAVE BLAMED BUSH FOR EVERYTHING WRONG,YOU HAVE BACKED DOWN TO EVERYTHING THAT IS RIGHT AND GIVEN IN TO THE WRONG..I COULD GO ON FOR HOURS BUT THE MAIN DEAL IS—YOU SUCK……GOVERNMENT IS WRONG,YOU WANT A ONE WORLD ORDER..
Men & Women who do not honor this country by wearing at least 1 of the 5 uniforms should not be making decisions for those who already and still risk life and limb for this great nation.
The budget will not change if the common people keep toating the bill for them (if you’re calling me “Rich”]. First I am not prejudice. I have the utmost respect for the President and he is trying. However even at 1% of $400,000 a year – come on the military present/past or futre doesn’t get that much or the benefits that go along with it. They want to minimize even the small payout while they keep theirs.
Sure they were elected and do little for the common people. It’s really a pointless debate because nothings going to modify unless the government changes itself and return “To Help The People of AMERICA”!
Why is military.com only concerned with only military pay when you stop to think that Military men are just one bullet or one land mine a way from becoming a Vet?
Another thing why do Military and Vets have to be first in line while thing like foreign aid is not touched. This administration must prove to its dedication to American’s Vets by putting them last on the list to be cut.
This president has lived in a lavish style since moving in to the White House. The same thing can be said for the leadership of Congress.
The following will give some indication of we got to this point in history.
Sykes–Picot Agreement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_…
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Let’s thank Bushs 2,terms for enduring that we’re secured in this ping pong match, so let’s stop blaming Obama! Enjoy your Pay Check!
No one has been able to explain to me why young men and women who serve in the U.S. Military for 20 years, risking their lives protecting freedom, only get 50% of their pay at retirement. WhilePoliticians, who hold their political positions in the safe confines of the capital, protected by these same men and women, receive full pay retirement after serving ONE term. It just does not make any sense.
Monday on Fox news they learned that the staffers of Congress family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans. This will get national attention if other news networks will broadcast it. When you add this to the below, just where will all of it stop?
35 States file lawsuit against the Federal Government.
Governors of 35 states have filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.
The Congress gets full retirement necause 1] they were rich before they got there 2] they look out for each other and not the people 3] they just DON"T CARE or the people. Government is for the Government and not for the people.
They look at The Constitution and Decleration of Independance and the see blots – we look and see words. If they see words it causes them discomfort and they make laws to Amend it to help them, the rich & wealthy and foreign aid. That way they make more money while they take the people of America for what little they have.
No one has been able to explain to me why young men and women who serve in the U.S. Military for 20 years, risking their lives protecting freedom, only get 50% of their pay at retirement. WhilePoliticians, who hold their political positions in the safe confines of the capital, protected by these same men and women, receive full pay retirement after serving ONE term. It just does not make any sense.
Monday on Fox news they learned that the staffers of Congress family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans. This will get national attention if other news networks will broadcast it. When you add this to the below, just where will all of it stop?
35 States file lawsuit against the Federal Government.
Governors of 35 states have filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.
The President and Congress should consider the consequences that are left after the war is over, Before they send us to war they have to consider the consequences that are left after the war is over, and that they are going to keep their obligation for those that did`t die but came home lame, sick mentaly ill because all those thing are here to stay untill each one of us die ,because war is not a game you have to be there to understand and not all off us are the same , FOR example in VIET NAM they new that AGENT ORANGE was going to bring consequenses but their ego was bigger than the soldiers and I`m one of those soldiers that are paying the consequenses and I`m just like a number to them. SO I ask all VETERANS TO STAND FOR OUR RIGHTS THAT WE EARNED AND TELL THOSE IN CONGRESS TO KEEP THEIR WORD AND PUT US FIRST AS WE PUT OUR COUNTRY FIRST
This situation is aresult of many years of bad judgment from congress. Who is at fault everyone with more than 2 yers of service. If they have been thee longer than 2 years they are now part of the problem not part of the solution. It has been bad for some time butthe past two years have been a joke.
will congress stop their own pay? will congress stop their 15% COLA that they voted for themselves to receive every year since 1982? how about congress stopping pay for the president and the rest of the whitehouse cronies?
Naw, just those who paid into the system for the last 50 years or so (social security) the disabled, the vets, the military etc.
you are so right they don't care about anybody but themselves. i will get a double whammy- i am retired on social security, and i am 70% disabled from the Vietnam WAr and get a VA disabilty check. I hate to us this word but i feel are country is committing genocide by allowing people that served honorably to go w/o and this is on more than one way–no food etc
A Marine friend said to me, "Next election, I think I'll vote from the Ammo Box."
I've also heard this as "Vote from the rooftops."
Congress should get a clue, these dude are Hard Corps, and been fighting 8 years straight. Plus some (pissed off at the governement mistreatment) aging 'Nam vets with nothing to lose, since they are dying from Agent Orange anyway.
Wasn't it true, Rome was lost when the armies came home? I seem to remember something like that. Took a long time, but it was rotted from within.
WHTF, I AM A DISABLE VETEREAN, MY MOTHER DEPENDS ON HER SOCIAL SECURITEY, LIKE SO MENY OTHER AMERICANS,…..WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN PROBLEMS, WITH THAT SAID: I THINK THAT FROM THE PRESIDENT ON DOWN THEY SHOULD ALL HAVE A NO PAYDUE FOR 1 MONTH OR EVEN 2 IF THATS WHAT IT TAKES, AND LEAVE THE MILITARY, THE SENIORS, VETERANS, MEDICARE, ALONE!!!!!!!!!! START TAKING FROM THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD TO BE TAKEN FROM,,,, THE ONES WHO SIT ON THEIR ASSES AND KEEP SPENDING LIKE MONEY GROWS ON TREES, AND STOP SENDING OUR MONEY OUTSIDE OF OUR COUNTRY WE HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS RIGHT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES TO TAKE CARE OF……………
Alright Politicians, you all are pissing me off…….I'm going to vote now!!!!!
You would think that there would be someone in the "DC area" that would have the sense and the balls to acknowledge that Social Security benefits shouldn't be on the table in the first place. If I remember correctly (and I do) Social Security is withheld out of every working persons pay each and every week. This withholding is supposed to go into a fund where it is drawn from for persons who qualify to receive these monies. The rest should remain in that fund for future use by Social Security (only). In the past there has been money 'borrowed' from this withholding fund and used for other things. Not only did most of this money not get replaced back into the fund, but there has not been any interest payed on the funds that were taken for other endeavors. If all the money (with interest) were to be repaid to the Social Security fund, it would probably show that Social Security would be 'in the green' again, and would be so for many years. It should not be involved in the current debate of who among our elderly and disabled gets screwed so that our congress and other big wigs can receive their large pay increases.
You know what??? As a disabled veteran I can not express my disappoint in our government in its ENTIRETY!!!
I am not one to judge and I am not pointing a finger of blame…but OMG! If I had not chosen to go into the military, I would still have a PAYING job right now! The fact that I have sacrificed my future for this country and this their way of TAKING CARE OF ME??? Complete and utter BS…I am tired of sitting back wondering if I am going to be able to pay my freaking rent and feed my child! It is NOT my fault that I can't go out and get a job. It is through NO fault of my own that I have to depend on the disability program in which I PAID into in order to meet my daily needs. I did NOT asked to be disabled…it just happened to be a result of the job I CHOSE to take!
I didn't sign my contract with a stipulation that if I would NO longer do my job of protecting my country if I wasn't going to get paid! I didn't think of pay when I raised my hand 5 different times as I re-enlisted to do my job!!! So what the heck is making it so dog gone hard for a bunch of people in Washington to think about and really understand what WE as soldiers, veterans, disabled individuals, and our senior citizens gave as part of our commitment to America and finalize a conclusion!
We designate governmental assistance (including SSI, Food Stamps, SSDI, Assistance to Needy families and other free programs) to those who have not paid into the system, don't qualify otherwise for these programs, or aren't even attempting to get off of the programs, but give hell to those that do!
I am so distraught with my government right now! How can pass legislation in order to SAVE your pay, but will not do the same for the ones who have made it safe for you and your families to continue to live the American Dream. Why don't you look at the situation, NOT from where you stand now, but from a person who lives this way and depend on you to do the right thing!!!
What if you were a disable veteran, and your mom/dad were receiving SS….now, we are dealing with a debt crisis…your checks are NOT gonna come unless it's fixed! How do you survive? What would you suggest be done? You have NO money…no savings, no investments…you are broke…and living by your monthly checks….NOW WHAT DO YOU DECIDE IS NEEDED????
NOT a good predicament now is it!!! Stop being SELFISH with these PARTY situations….I CAN GIVE A DARN about what party you are affiliated with! You need to get the JOB done in the BEST interest of your CONSTITUENTS!!! If you are NOT into taking care US…how about we no longer take care of you!!!
DO YOUR JOB!!! That is all I am asking….
A very TOLERANT disabled veteran…..
You want t65o stop my retirement pay, my Social Security pay and my disability pay. No Finway. This is what I use to pay my rent , my food. How about we the people stop your pay. Yall better shit or git off the pot. Obama has blamed everyone but himself for this. Put the blame where it belongs. Screw the Veta and the elderly as useual,,,,,,
JUST LET THEM NOT PAY SS PAYMENTS AND THE MILITARY, AND YOU'LL SEE GREECE ALL OVER AGAIN, THIS IS ONE WAY THEY'LL GET THEIR assess THROWN OUT OF OFFICE and i mean bobily!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am in the same situation that numerous other citizens are in because I too draw VA Disability, Social Security and Medicare. I was hospitalized for nine months from wounds received during the conflict in Vietnam. Government payment is the only income my family and I receive to pay for food, shelter, insurance, hospital and medications. The amount of pay received barely pays enough to stay out of debt.
Should we loose these monthly checks could very well be homeless, and at 69 years of age, chances of surviving would be nil. Stopping foreign aid to all the countries that is given should be given to Americans first. It certainly would help some of our own people.
congress and house members have bucked obama all along, and we need
to get rid of many of them. they only care about power and money, not the usa.
Bring our troops home and cut off all foreign aide to the Muslim countries. We can't buy there friendship for any amount of money. They don't like us or vote with us on things that are good for the world. We could save a bundle by doing that and there would probably be left over money to fix our countries roads, bridges and what ever else. It would give our economy a boost also.
Get real People!!!!!!
This thing we are supposed to call a president is smiling bigger than a Chesser Cat from Alice in Wonderland. Obama's complete goal is simply to destroy this society by overburdening it with exorbitant taxes and scaring the hell out of the Senior Citizens, Military, and anyone retired and trying to exist on their retirement. The real plan of Obama is to make the US a third world nation based on Socialist/Marxist principles… that is the real plan. If you don't like the truth then remember where the sun doesn't shine.
Thanks
All Politicians have enough money they should be able to "Give Up" a months pay. Lessen or totally cut off foreign aid to worthless countries and interests. Where would our debt be then? Like I always said to people, "All politicians MUST HAVE served in the Armed Forces before speaking on the country's behalf." I may sound like an a$$ when I don't follow politics because of everyday disappointment of society and government. We need to get worthy people to step up to take this country back, however, nobody with common sense wants to deal with arrogance. I know I don't.
As a VietNam veteran and true American, I am disgusted with the fact any military benefit or pay would ever be considered to be at risk or “on the table” as a possible witholding because of budget issues. Service members and their families are the front line defenders for this country. Politicians can threaten to not pay this or not pay that military or veteran benefit or salaries; but what would happen if our service men and women decided “no pay-no service”. They would be crucified. It is time politicians, like every other American, start to understand you have to live within your means. I’m disappointed in the President and any other politician that plays politics and uses scare tacticts with military pay or benefits. You cannot borrow your way out of debt. If you spend more than you take in, then you have to cut spending. You cut spening in areas like paying for most of NATO expenses, rebuilding IRAQ and other countries that take your money and hate who you are , and you quit giving our tax dollars to other countries just to keep thioer friendship. You also quit paying for and supporting illegal immigrants. Cut out “give me programs” to other countries for resources, develope our natural resourses and LEAVE MILITARY PAY, BENEFITS AND VETERAN BENEFITS ALONE. To all you “professional politicians” as Prersident Obama refers to himself and other Washinton elites, “wake up, get real or Get Out Of Washington!!!! You can thank the miliyary and veterans for making it possible for you to exhibit your lack of leadership ability. Fellow Americans stand up for our military and their families and put people in office in 2012 that understand it’s time to get back to to being American and being proud of those that serve in the armed forces of this great nation.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! It's time that the politicians who put US in this predicament in the first place pay their due. NO PAY FOR ANY CONGRESSPERSON, THE PRESIDENT, OR HIS CABINET(and his utensils for that matter), ALDERMEN, MAYORS, GOVERNORS, all of them. Until these panty-wearing dry-lipped jazzbags start ponying up to those of us who 1.) serve, 2.) have served, 3.) were injured or died during duty, you cackjacks get NO PAY, and that's the new U.S. policy.
no pay for farkups in politics, PERIOD.
How about congress not receiving their pay . They don't do anything for
pay! They are elected to do the people will, but that is not what they do! It's
unfair to all who fought wars, came back without arms,and legs to go thought
this mess! When are the people in this country going to wake up? No matter
what your'e a dem; rep, indept , we are all in one boat slowly sinking. I'm a
76 year old veteran , spent 22 years of honorable service, with a tour in
Vietnam . Now they want to make my life miserable, along with the rest of
veterans of all wars, I'M tired of the treats from the congress,and the President of the United States. I'm thinking about my children, grandchildren,
great grandchildren furture! Wake up Americans before it's too late!
Greetings One and All, The Hot topic / issue for the present day, the debt limit increase, or stop paying the active duty military, retired military, veterans in receipt of VA disability comp, folks on social security and medicare, but, NO bloody mention of the members of our nation's elected officials. Yes that is right, those on either side of the of the political isle, you know, the guys and gals on the hill in D.C. . Those folks who call themselves, our nation's elected leadership. Well now, these so called elected leaders are So Bloody Far from being Actual, Effective Leaders within this United Staes Of America, and, To The Republic For Which Stands, that these political types on the hill, are NO bloody leaders at all!
Ok its about time i commented on this. For one Im sick of you people saying its the democrats fault its the republicans fault, Cause guess what its not. The presedent and congress are sacraficing us. they do not care about america and they are feeding us to the dogs. Soon your kids will be eating out of the trash cans at your local wal mart. Because they will not give up there own money. It will take a 5% pay cut from the ones in the goverment to get back on track. But congress would rather sacrafice us ( the people.). correct me if im wrong but i beleive that is the highest form of treason. if you would sell out your countrymen to hold on to your wallet That is treason. Treason Treason Treason. Treason is a crime punishable by death but yet we do nothing. its not the republicans its not the democrats, Why are we the people letting it happen. we let this happen to us why are we not taking a stand aganst it. wake up america its time for a revolution and it needs to happen NOW. get every one in congress out of there and lets get america back on track
Greetingsd Again Folks, It is extremely sad that our country, that is right, Lady Liberty, has been brought so bloody far down the slope, that she is well on her way to drowning, as every American Citizen bares witness, unless our so called elected leadership, gets off their collective butts, andtakes the "Righteously Appropriate Measures", in order to steer a new, and correct course heading, for America as a Nation, and, not in the direction which those Lame Duck elected officials on the hill in D.C. may htink, or feel, is good for this American, without ever having given me the courtesy of a "By Your Leave", much less, having genuinely asked what I need and desire in my life, and my famlies life, Thank You!
As for my having served my nation Honorably, in her Marine Corps, for a 20+ years, and having retired in the late 90"s. I find the state to which our country has been brought to, by our so called elected leadership types, within our nation's Federal Government, past and present by the way, Zealously Appalling, to say the least. Am I one of those souls who stands to not get paid, should our country's so called elected leadership, yes, that is right, the guys and gals on the hill in D.C., who just can not agree to dis-agree, without their petty bickering, along with, their personal and party agenda being placed before the Well Being of our nation! Yes folks, I am one of the people who stands ready, to Not be paid.
Do I believe what our country's so called elected leadership is doing to our nation "Just", NO, I certainly Do Not! What is the answer to the woes and ills facing America presently? You really do not want to know what I truly feel should be done in that respect folks, you truly do not! Having a thought is not a crime, in and of itself. Acting on a thought, this may present itself to be a criminal act, or not! It all depends on who is actually looking at, and examining what has transpired. As for the members of our nation's House and Senate, along with our nation's present administration, now who mind you, is in charge of policing these people when they screw the pooch? I had always thought it was, "WE THE PEOPLE" of America. Somewhere along the line, this has been changed, and by who, well our nation's so called elected leadership, that is who, and not for the better of all Americans either. The well being of America is Last in line, with all but a few of the political types on the hill in D.C.. After these political types have been truly tainted by the older, more seasoned, UN-Ethical, Immoral minded political types on the hill in D.C., then all those so called elected leadership shall fit in the same Zealously Appalling catagory, now won't they! Thank you all in advance for taking the time to read my comments herein. Ironhand, "SEMPER FIDELIS" To God, Country and Corps. "Do Not Tread On Me, EVER!"
Why don't we give every person currently in financial trouble the ability to raise their debt limit. They could then go out an buy cars, homes, furniture and appliances. Sales would go though the roof and manufacturers of these products would add working hours and hire more people. These new hires would go out and buy cars, homes, furniture and appliances. They would then pay taxes (income and FICA). People on Social Security would get their money. Veterans and military would get their money and we would have enough taxes coming in to pay China the money we barrowed and life will be beautiful all the time HA HA HO HO.
This administration has come up the ultimate scare tactic for their "redistibution of wealth" agenda. There is currently enough money coming in daily to pay SS, Vets and the payments to China. We do not need a higher debt limit. We need to spend less.
I am a serviced connected blind veteran who has no money in the bank I only have enough food to last until the end of the month. You serve the country get shot and beat go blind and this is the result. They better pay the disabled veterans and military and seniors. Republicans better come off that high horse and do what is right. All this screaming what about the "job creators" yes they are important but if bombs were dropping and tanks rolling down streets in the US and enemy soldiers with guns shooting in our streets I bet the Republicans and Tea Party folks would scream help help were is our military not move and make way for the "job creators". It should not take that kind of event to get the Republicans and the Tea Party to respect our military and disabled veterans and veterans the way we all deserve!!!
HOW ABOUT THIS, IF YOU DON'T DO YOUR JOB YOU DONT GET PAID! sENATORS/CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN WHITE HOUSE STAFF, AND THE PRESIDENT DO NOT GET PAID UNTIL THEY GET THE BUDGET FIXED AND REDUCE THE DEFICIT WITHOUT IMPACTING VETERANS, MILITARY, RETIREES, AND SOCIAL SECURITY. TAKE THE SOCIAL CSECURITY/MEDICARE/MEDICAID AWAY FROM THE ILLEAGLE ALIENS AS A FIRST STEP RIGHT THEIR IS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
I am willing to bet that the Congress and President and all their staff will get their checks. Personally I will sure them for breach of contract We earned that money the hard way something this president does not understand of care about or why would he now prevent soldiers from firing on Taliban with out permission from higher up? Why is it that when we go to war under a Republican we win and when a democrat takes office we are restricted? Why else would they be giving the Muslim Brotherhood millions of our tax payers money, and now 125 M1A1 Abrams Tanks and other weapons?
I am a Vietnam veteran that is 100% service connected disabled. My wife receives less than $200 per month in Soc Sec benefits. With this we both pay our bills and keep them up to date. If our benefits are NOT paid, we have no fallback. It takes all that we make to keep everything paid. I have always been a democrat and voted accordingly. Now I plan to vote AGAINST anyone in office and will NOT vote for anyone associated with the tea party. They have shown that it's their way or nothing.
As a disabled, Marine combat veteran of the Vietnam War, I am disgusted with this President and Congress. If anyone should have their pay and benefits held in abeyance it is the President, Congress and their staffs. At no time should those who serve or have served in the armed forces have their pay and benefits suspended. It is another gross mis-use of power. This administration will feel the recoil when the next election arrives.
Salary of the US President… $400,000. Salary of retired US Presidents… $180,000. Salary of House/Senate… $174,000. Salary of Speaker of house… $223,500…. Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders… $193,400………. Average US Salary… $33,000 to $77,000. HELLO! I think we found where the cuts should be made! If you agree repost!
Does that mean that illegal aliens won't get there welfare also? I'll bet not.
We’ll 1 problem is the (R) party would rather see this country fall down by the waist-side before they agree with anything the President and (D) has to offer. They want to make the D party look like fools and will do anything to do that.These people need their money so stop trippin and do it for the people.
Maybe it's time that the U.S head in the same direction as most of the other nations of the world where the upper elite were thrown out or taken over. The government has now far extended it's existence and needs to either change course or be reengineered to be more efficient. I just say to the government, let the military pay cease and see the repercussions of such actions. At the same time I don't want to hear any complaining from the nations leaders since for some reason they can't seem to pull their heads out of where the sun doesn't shine.
I THINK IF THE GOPV (CONGRESQAND MR OBOMA ) DON.T WANT TO PAYTHE MEN AND WEMAN <THANT GAVE AND ARE GIVING THEIR TIME AND POSSIBLE THEIR LIVES TO AND PROTECT THEY SHOULD PICK A GUN AND LET THE SOLDIARS WHO WON<T BE PAID COM HOME . AND TAKE THERE. AFTER ALL THEY WILL BE PAID ANY WAY!
Why don't we just stop giving other countries money for a year. Billions of U.S tax money lost in Afangistan today!!!!! 21 July 2011.
They have made themselves so rich that now it time to stave the rest of us so they can enjoy what they stole and not feel to bad .To make the comment obama made proves to me beyond a shadow of doubt that he is not who you think he is.I thought he was community activist for the under privileged .Then why did he choose the speech he did when addressing this deficit problem .He never said anything about cutting of the corporate hand outs controlling lobbyist or how much money he getting and how much he going to cut from other federal agencies .He went after the one least able to defend themselves ,so he thinks. Divide and conquer.
But I do think that Obama, and the Dems should stand-up to these guys. The GOP(at least some of them) has said that they will not vote to raise the Debt Ceilling under any circumstances. They want to hold up our little check, just because they dont want the RICH to pay a little more, and they want to cut what little we do get. There is no way ANYONE can tell me this is right for those of us that's on the lower end of the pay scale, or the country. I'am almost 63, I am a Vietnam Veteran, and I worked all my life, started work in High school, and I'am also Disable. This talk about giving the Rich a Tax Cut, and they will create jobs. Please!!! That's just one of there Talking Point. Obama and the Dems having did enough on the jobs creation, then again, the Reps has said NO to almost everything he purpose. If he (Obama) cave on this one, he just may lose my support. I'am waiting to see what the end will be….
I remembered Mr. pres. Obama that he could balance 3.00 trillions in 3-4 years Now, what 's happening? The deficit is over 14.00 trillions, where is the money gone???
The debt ceiling will be passed..( 60 times all ready in our history)they are trying to scare people into a substance they can mold, its been going on for years. I can promise you all this, they know how many of us out here half to have money to live, bye medicine, raise children..if the checks stopped, they know even if allot of you don't'"that this country would implode within months if not weeks..stop paying the sick and see if they don't start going on killing sprees'..this country is very young, its an infant in comparison to others that have been around thousands of years..don't be afraid..be pissed and start voting..get off your asses and hit the poles..get educated first tho, and quit listening to slick willy, i believe we are going to soon see a change in Government when these thing start taking place, and they will take place..this country will run like a fortune 500 Co. if we vote right,people are sick of being afraid..they are sick of paycheck to paycheck..lol..its almost something you half to laugh at.! I was born at night but not last night, these people will milk this country and all the dummy's in it for as long as we let them..stop fighting their wars for no good reason, if your career military great, you should get paid great, and always be on call..but just as the so called couch potatoes who get government aid, their are young dropouts that join the military because they had nothing better to do..I'm sorry but my hats not off to every swinging dick out there that went threw boot camp and is peeling potatoes in a country they don't even know why they are there..they know they are getting a check, 3 hots and a cot! I have met a many..so stop wining and educate yourselves in government..why this world ticks and start making educated votes, , down to your city Mayor! I can tell you this, there are going to be allot of uneducated service men come home when this is all over and with no education, shell shocked and in mature, call it what you will..its disability they will end up receiving..get honest and ask your selves if any of you can make sense of what the hell were fighting for, its not our freedom, lye to your self if you want..don't forget i said hell yes to warriors on stand by 24-7 and pay them well, and have plenty of them, but not a bunch of snot nosed kids who were never educated walking around with a chip on their shoulder..no better than someone milking ssi.ssd..or welfare any way you slice it! This Country forgets real quick as well, and its not some other entity, we are the Country, its all about me, me, me,..without God no one is nothing, ok you can say oh boy someone cracked on God..well lie to yourselves again, if this thing we call life right now dont seem to be something beyond anyone's control to you, then your asleep at the wheel, there are some powers out there doing things that this stupid human race couldn't pull off in a comic book..the powers are there, Good and Evil…wake up and lets all make a change for Good, Good right here at home, i don't think God needs our help forcing other Countries much older than us, more religious than us, and stuck in their ways to do whats right! But hey im just a flash in the pan here in this thing we call life..you can argue , call each other names, but i just made you think of the real deal rather you admit it or not!
Thay need to get it too gather or get out of office and let someone who is going to do the job in.ASAP.
Why are we looking at cutting Military and Veteran benefits? Why are we looking at cutting the massive welfare payments for people that have for generations been living on the dole. They have done nothing for this country but take take take. They never put their lives on the line for this country. They have never been on call 24/7, been yanked away from their families…the list goes on. I don't hear about their checks not being sent.
This is hogwash and its time that Military folks let their voices be heard come election time.
BHO and Congress are playing "chicken" with my life. THROW THEIR SORRY A$$ES OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Get rid of that incompetent in the White House and strip this congress of its pensions for "Dereliction"
Screw them a$$huls who used us as tools and then tool us around some more. Why can't they just leave us alone and give us a break for once? I think it's time we bring back the draft….might as well, VOLENTEERING DOESN'T HAVE IT'S BENEFITS. "BRING BACK THE DRAFT! BRING BACK THE DRAFT! BRING BACK THE DRAFT!"
Well I got my social security today..
This unbeliveable; this country has been kept safe by it's military men and women; and they want to stop payments for the disablitiy that was caused by servering are country. God help us. I don't know how those Sen and Congressmen can sleep at night; But rest assure they sleep safe because of are Troops protecting this USA.
Former Marine 68-70
I am a disable Vietnam Vet,and I use my disable comp, to pay my house payment. What are we going to do to pay the rent or house payment.
It is so sad that they can only think of the senior and disabled people to take away from. We are the only people who have done our parts and survived to collect the pittance that they make us FIGHT for EVEN YET. They cry that ss/medicare and mil retirements take more than 40% but they never mention their perks and their payrolls. Why not cut back on FORIEGN AID first then hurt your own people. CONGRESSW remember THE SENIORS ARE THE ONES WHO VOTE>>>>>
The VA budget is funded through the end of the fiscal year. The monies are already in the VA's accounts. If payments are stopped, I'm guessing it will be due to an executive order. The VA is a separate budget from other programs.
I for one will not vote for any encombent again
lets get a new goverment it can’t get any worse than the one
we have now
No Pay for the Military and the failure of the Government we should entertain a Coup d' état. Better then having our Constitutional rights suspended giving none of us the basic defense rights we have defended for more then 235 years.
You can be sure-if the powers that be had their checks on the line-a debt deal would be a done deal!!
How do you find out how much is in the civil service retirment fund?
attaboy
May-be our elected officals have not been paying us vets and military any attention, because they will get their pay on time and say that they were due it, because they were fighting to keep the government open.
1. Why would these people try and hold the us hostage for something they did over (4) four years ago?
2. If they get their pay next month, then that means that gov is not shut down, after all don't the same people pay them who pays us, think about it?
And folks aren't doing the math here…in a news report today it only cost "MILITARY SPENDING: Cutting off veterans or soldiers could be just as politically poisonous. However, those costs are relatively small: $2.9 billion each for Veterans Affairs programs and pay for active duty military members.
To pay our vets and Military. We are the bottom of the barrel in actual cost to the government. So if they did not pay us, they still wouldn't save enough money to pay other bills.
What we need is folks in Washington that lead by example…we've not seen that in YEARS.
The Politicians Creed
The meek are not and will not inherit the earth for they are but lambs being led to the slaughter. Don’t forgive them, for they are but ignorant and unable to think for themselves. Yea, as I walk through the Valley of Plenty I will not share with my fellow man and shall not be called upon to answer for my transgressions. For I am the Power and Law before which the lesser must bow and offer obedience. Only I may rule.
I AM POLITIC!
Jim Putnam
It's only after you leave active duty that you realize your military peers are not well informed about politics in general; evidence all of these comments, not very well thought out. We all bring our regional predjudices and cultural backgrounds with us in our travels. It takes honesty and lived military values to recognize that not everyone is right all of the time; sometimes our views are not always truthful or correct. Reasonable people will agree we need compromise and a balance of cuts and revenue. It's that simple. Leave the trash at the door and pray that they all do the right thing.
Im getting older, and a proud VETERAN, but to see this kind of things happening, its so wrong. Our country should not be showing the world how bad of shape we are in. Washinton, Washinton, Washinton, help the people and forget helping yourself. I really never thought i would see America in this shape, GOD BLESS AMERICA
this pisses me off so bad. our men and women are fighting for our freedom and somehow we can't afford to pay they what they are owed and the benefits they need. This isn't right I have an idea why don't they cut the president's wages or congress and so on because our soldiers already don't make enough for all the pain and suffering they go through all day everyday.
I bought my home based on my Social Security and Retired Military Pay..
When they cut or stop my pay, I will foreclose. I have no other options.
This is a useless article. Thanks for the links in the 'content' u rattled off. Maybe
one of them will have some useful information.
I too, believe we need to bring our boys home form the mid east. We need to fix our own problems with our own money. We need to stop all this crap. Republicans/Democrats take a breath and become Americans and represent the Americans that elected you. We, the disabled vets that proudly served our country when our country called us into harms way should not even be a part of this conversation. Obama, you are the sorriest commander and chief of our military that was ever elected. Signed R.L.Mattos, A proud Viet Nam Vet. And American citizen.
How about we cut our funding to the UN! That money can be better spent to pay our men, women and Veterans of our US Military. We signed on the bottom line and never broke our commentment to serve. The UN is and always will be a joke. A sick one at that.
It is very simple. Section Seven of the U.S. Constitution gives the duty of crafting appropriation and taxation bills to the House of Representitaves. These bills must achieve a >50% vote in both the House and Senate and not be vetoed by the President or gain a 2/3rds majority in both houses. The 14th Amendment Section 4, states that this must occur before the debts and pensions ( vet benefits) of the federal government can even be questioned. S&P and Moodys have already done so, placeing the entire House of Representitives, especially those with majority power, in willful violation of the Constitution. Every member of the U.S. Military, past and present, has sworn to protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, and are given training on how to do so. Let's hope our active military and vets vote to remove those who have pledged to violate the Constitution by dereliction of duty, and not protect this sacred document with the training they have received. This "Rambo" arguement may be the only one the House GOP members can understand to create a passable bill that will stop thier manufactured crisis.
what did everyone expect putting a ANTIamerican monkey where it never should have been. it even said it would run the country down. spending tax money like it hit the lottery and helping al his raghead friends. now mabe the country will wake up and get a real american back in there.
You are disgusting and am embarrassment to the entire military community. I notice you make your ignorant and racist statements anonymously. Typical.
Purple Hart
Wounded in combat defending our country our freedom, after 6 September 1969 in Vietnam, have not being able to work so that I would have a half descent life, due to the so small compensation for defending our freedsom against America's enemy. Now have to go hungry too, Be serious, cut the Politicians pay and have them serve their country honestly like we have done.
It is true no one on our elected government is looking out for the average person, if your not rich you don't count. It is time that a serious third party was formed to push aside the conservatives and liberals, which really are not that much different.
In fact it is time to have more direct democracy. Why not let the citizens have direct binding votes on major issues as some states do now. Maybe issues like military pay and other things would have been decided instead of leaving it up to a Congress and President that are controled by special interest groups.